We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling
work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with
TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint.
Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the
siding leaving bare wood underneath.

I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same
walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and
below the old siding.

There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing
the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding
so the new latex paint won't just flake off again.

Any tips?

Thanks,

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

On 6/6/2016 11:34 AM, HerHusband wrote:
We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling
work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with
TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint.
Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the
siding leaving bare wood underneath.

I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same
walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and
below the old siding.

There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing
the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding
so the new latex paint won't just flake off again.

Any tips?

Thanks,

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com


I'd look for a small town hardware store. Find the
grey haired old guy and ask, there.

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On 06/06/2016 10:34 AM, HerHusband wrote:
....

There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing
the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding
so the new latex paint won't just flake off again.

....

I've come to the conclusion there is nothing that can restore an old,
weathered surface to hold paint other than to completely remove
sufficient material from the surface so as to expose, essentially, "new"
wood.

We did all you described to the old barn where it _looked_ as clean and
fresh as the new wood and it, too, has failed while the replacement
pieces are still holding.

If you can find anybody who can provide any other solution as well, I'd
surely like to know, too.

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On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 15:34:48 -0000 (UTC), HerHusband
wrote:

We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling
work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with
TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint.
Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the
siding leaving bare wood underneath.

I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same
walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and
below the old siding.

There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing
the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding
so the new latex paint won't just flake off again.

Any tips?


Isn't Kilz cans oil or water base? Wonder if you picked the wrong can
on the shelf, not looking at the label.

95% of painting is preparation. Painting is the easy part.
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On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 12:45:11 PM UTC-4, dpb wrote:
On 06/06/2016 10:34 AM, HerHusband wrote:
...

There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing
the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding
so the new latex paint won't just flake off again.

...

I've come to the conclusion there is nothing that can restore an old,
weathered surface to hold paint other than to completely remove
sufficient material from the surface so as to expose, essentially, "new"
wood.

We did all you described to the old barn where it _looked_ as clean and
fresh as the new wood and it, too, has failed while the replacement
pieces are still holding.

If you can find anybody who can provide any other solution as well, I'd
surely like to know, too.

--

I've had very good results using PeelBond Primer. It's a very thick
latex primer that's made to help level old rough wood. It's good for
areas that you've scraped to avoid having to sand the surface perfectly
smooth. It will help hide the transition areas. I've used it on weathered
wood and it's held up fine. Kilz is good at stain blocking, not sure
how it ranks as a primer when adhesion is the main goal.

Oren writes:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 15:34:48 -0000 (UTC), HerHusband
wrote:

We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling
work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with
TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint.
Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the
siding leaving bare wood underneath.

I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same
walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and
below the old siding.

There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing
the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding
so the new latex paint won't just flake off again.

Any tips?


Isn't Kilz cans oil or water base? Wonder if you picked the wrong can
on the shelf, not looking at the label.


Zinnser's BIN primer is shellac based. Kilz has a water based primer, that I'd avoid.

On 6/6/2016 8:34 AM, HerHusband wrote:
We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling
work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with
TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint.
Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the
siding leaving bare wood underneath.

I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same
walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and
below the old siding.

There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing
the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding
so the new latex paint won't just flake off again.


tONY, THAT FUSKIN' TSP'LL DO IT EVERY TIME.

In article ,
says...



On 6/6/2016 8:34 AM, HerHusband wrote:
We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling
work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with
TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint.
Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the
siding leaving bare wood underneath.

I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same
walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and
below the old siding.

There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing
the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding
so the new latex paint won't just flake off again.


tONY, THAT FUSKIN' TSP'LL DO IT EVERY TIME.

Bingo!

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On 6/6/2016 11:29 AM, Checkmate, DoW #1 wrote:
In article ,
says...



On 6/6/2016 8:34 AM, HerHusband wrote:
We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling
work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with
TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint.
Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the
siding leaving bare wood underneath.

I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same
walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and
below the old siding.

There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing
the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding
so the new latex paint won't just flake off again.


tONY, THAT FUSKIN' TSP'LL DO IT EVERY TIME.

Bingo!


Yep, fer sure. These amateur handymen get me every time. ;-)

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:22:53 -0700, "Colonel Edmund J. Burke"
wrote:

On 6/6/2016 8:34 AM, HerHusband wrote:
We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling
work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with
TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint.
Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the
siding leaving bare wood underneath.

I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same
walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and
below the old siding.

There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing
the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding
so the new latex paint won't just flake off again.


It's called *cleaning it" you moron.

THAT FUSKIN' TSP'LL DO IT EVERY TIME.

We used TSP on the new siding too, and have used it many times in the past
without issues. I seriously doubt that is the cause.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com

In article ,
says...



On 6/6/2016 11:29 AM, Checkmate, DoW #1 wrote:
In article ,
says...



On 6/6/2016 8:34 AM, HerHusband wrote:
We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling
work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with
TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint.
Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the
siding leaving bare wood underneath.

I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the same
walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and
below the old siding.

There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing
the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding
so the new latex paint won't just flake off again.


tONY, THAT FUSKIN' TSP'LL DO IT EVERY TIME.

Bingo!


Yep, fer sure. These amateur handymen get me every time. ;-)

If only they'd come to AUK first, and ask for help...

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AUK Hammer of Thor award, Feb. 2012 (Pre-Burnore)
Destroyer of the AUK Ko0k Vote (Post-Burnore)
Originator of the "Dance for me" (tm) lame
Copyright © 2016
all rights reserved

| We repainted my in-laws house a few years ago after doing some remodeling
| work. We scraped the old paint off down to bare wood, sanded, cleaned with
| TSP, primed with Kilz primer, and applied two top coats of latex paint.
| Within a couple years, the paint and primer completely flaked off the
| siding leaving bare wood underneath.
|

Never use Kilz for exterior priming. It's a stain
sealer paint, which means it's designed to dry
quickly without soaking in. The only good primer
for exterior is oil-base linseed oil primer. Benj M.
has one. I've forgotten what they call it now.
It used to be called Moorewhite primer. The can
still says Moorewhite and/or linseed oil somewhere.
I usually add more boiled linseed oil. They've
downgraded that kind of paint to meet EPA
requirements. Then wait a couple of days before
putting on acrylic paint.

You'll see oil base primer and quick-dry oil
base primer, as well as acrylic primer. None of
those soak in properly. The same is true of the
pre-prime stuff they spray on pine lumber. It's
junk that will slide off with water exposure.
Everyone wants fast-drying, but you can't have
fast drying *and* good absorpotion.

Another option is to just put on acrylic solid
"stain". You could even wet the siding first, to get
a good soak-in. At least it won't peel. But it doesn't
look all that great. There's no film and no sheen.

| I don't think it's a moisture issue as we have brand new siding on the
same
| walls and the paint is holding up fine on the boards directly above and
| below the old siding.
|
| There's obviously an oil or something on the old siding that is preventing
| the new paint from sticking. But I'm not sure how to treat the old siding
| so the new latex paint won't just flake off again.
|
| Any tips?
|
| Thanks,
|
| Anthony Watson
| www.watsondiy.com
| www.mountainsoftware.com

| Isn't Kilz cans oil or water base? Wonder if you picked the wrong can
| on the shelf, not looking at the label.
|
|
| Zinnser's BIN primer is shellac based. Kilz has a water based primer,
that I'd avoid.

There are both oil and water base versions
of Kilz. Neither is any good for exterior priming,
regardless of what they say.

On 6/6/2016 12:42 PM, HerHusband wrote:
THAT FUSKIN' TSP'LL DO IT EVERY TIME.

We used TSP on the new siding too, and have used it many times in the past
without issues. I seriously doubt that is the cause.

Anthony Watson
www.watsondiy.com
www.mountainsoftware.com


LOL. It's called "talkin' to a brick wall."

TRY WOOD STABILIZER

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