On 5/28/2016 8:23 PM, wrote:

To be clear, I don't smoke but I am also not offended when people do
and I know their smoke is not harming me. Simply smelling a whiff of
smoke is harmless,

"Inhalation of cigarette puff has an immediate effect on respiration by
increasing airway resistance and therefore reducing the amount of oxygen
absorbed into the body.4 Smoking causes a chronic (or long term)
swelling of mucous membranes, which also leads to increased airway
resistance. It induces chronic irritation of the respiratory lining and
wide variety of carcinogens in the cells lining the respiratory tract.
These changes lead to cancer. 5 Smoking greatly affects the lungs from
an annoying repeated cough to grave illnesses like chronic bronchitis,
emphysema and bronchial carcinoma."
http://www.bioline.org.br/request?jm07001

........

"*Even a whiff of tobacco smoke* can adversely affect the body, the
report concludes.

"Inhaling even the smallest amount of tobacco smoke can also damage your
DNA, which can lead to cancer."

*Even brief exposure to secondhand smoke can cause heart disease and can
trigger heart attacks*."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120905910.html


.........



--
Maggie

On 5/28/2016 2:34 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 12:31:48 PM UTC-4, bob haller wrote:
A great start would be anywhere anyone complains about it

That would amount to banning all smoking everywhere. There are people
that complain about a person smoking in their own house and think that
should be illegal too.


so all public places, townhouses, detached homes if the stench is detectable off site like a neighbors yard. smoking should be illegal around any child anyone under 21

That's how the anti-smoking Nazis work. First is was ban smoking in bars
and restaurants, but you could still have a private vigar dinner in a separate
room. Then they banned that too. Then they banned smoking on most of the
beach, except for a small section for smokers. Then they banned that too.
They banned smoking in public places, businesses, etc, but you could still
smoke outside. Then they objected because people stood outside, so they
made a law that you can't stand within 50 ft of the door. Then they made
a law that says you can't smoke anywhere on the entire property. See a
trend here?

The trend is to stop people from getting sick from secondhand smoke.


we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

the fiancial and personal costs, are just way too high


I'd say we should extinguish liberalism first. The cost there has been
way higher.


It's not about liberalism or conservatism. It's about people who don't
want to GET SICK.

--
Maggie

On Sat, 28 May 2016 22:20:37 -0500, Muggles
wrote:

On 5/28/2016 8:23 PM, wrote:

To be clear, I don't smoke but I am also not offended when people do
and I know their smoke is not harming me. Simply smelling a whiff of
smoke is harmless,

"Inhalation of cigarette puff has an immediate effect on respiration by
increasing airway resistance and therefore reducing the amount of oxygen
absorbed into the body.4 Smoking causes a chronic (or long term)
swelling of mucous membranes, which also leads to increased airway
resistance. It induces chronic irritation of the respiratory lining and
wide variety of carcinogens in the cells lining the respiratory tract.
These changes lead to cancer. 5 Smoking greatly affects the lungs from
an annoying repeated cough to grave illnesses like chronic bronchitis,
emphysema and bronchial carcinoma."
http://www.bioline.org.br/request?jm07001

.......

If that is true, and it sounds like bull**** to me, what is the effect
of the carbon monoxide from lawn mowers, smoke from BBQ grills and the
pollution from wood burning stoves? Should we ban all of them too?

"*Even a whiff of tobacco smoke* can adversely affect the body, the
report concludes.

"Inhaling even the smallest amount of tobacco smoke can also damage your
DNA, which can lead to cancer."

*Even brief exposure to secondhand smoke can cause heart disease and can
trigger heart attacks*."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120905910.html


........

On Sat, 28 May 2016 22:27:06 -0500, Muggles
wrote:

The trend is to stop people from getting sick from secondhand smoke.

No the trend is to placate people who are simply offended if they even
see someone smoking a block away.

On 5/28/2016 10:36 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2016 22:27:06 -0500, Muggles
wrote:

The trend is to stop people from getting sick from secondhand smoke.

No the trend is to placate people who are simply offended if they even
see someone smoking a block away.

I don't get offended when someone is smoking a block away. I get sick
if I'm exposed to any secondhand smoke whether it's on purpose or
accidental.

--
Maggie

On 5/28/2016 10:34 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2016 22:20:37 -0500, Muggles
wrote:

On 5/28/2016 8:23 PM, wrote:

To be clear, I don't smoke but I am also not offended when people do
and I know their smoke is not harming me. Simply smelling a whiff of
smoke is harmless,

"Inhalation of cigarette puff has an immediate effect on respiration by
increasing airway resistance and therefore reducing the amount of oxygen
absorbed into the body.4 Smoking causes a chronic (or long term)
swelling of mucous membranes, which also leads to increased airway
resistance. It induces chronic irritation of the respiratory lining and
wide variety of carcinogens in the cells lining the respiratory tract.
These changes lead to cancer. 5 Smoking greatly affects the lungs from
an annoying repeated cough to grave illnesses like chronic bronchitis,
emphysema and bronchial carcinoma."
http://www.bioline.org.br/request?jm07001

.......


If that is true, and it sounds like bull**** to me, what is the effect
of the carbon monoxide from lawn mowers, smoke from BBQ grills and the
pollution from wood burning stoves? Should we ban all of them too?

It's not good to inhale carbon monoxide, or breathe in smoke from any
source. Our lungs weren't designed to inhale those things.

Wouldn't you agree we should use caution and good sense when it comes to
exposing ourselves to such things?


"*Even a whiff of tobacco smoke* can adversely affect the body, the
report concludes.

"Inhaling even the smallest amount of tobacco smoke can also damage your
DNA, which can lead to cancer."

*Even brief exposure to secondhand smoke can cause heart disease and can
trigger heart attacks*."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...120905910.html


........



--
Maggie

On 05/28/2016 09:57 PM, Muggles wrote:
It's not good to inhale carbon monoxide, or breathe in smoke from any
source. Our lungs weren't designed to inhale those things.

Well, I guess we had better cancel our normally scheduled August forest
fires.

On Sat, 28 May 2016 22:57:43 -0500, Muggles
wrote:

If that is true, and it sounds like bull**** to me, what is the effect
of the carbon monoxide from lawn mowers, smoke from BBQ grills and the
pollution from wood burning stoves? Should we ban all of them too?

It's not good to inhale carbon monoxide, or breathe in smoke from any
source. Our lungs weren't designed to inhale those things.

Wouldn't you agree we should use caution and good sense when it comes to
exposing ourselves to such things?

But we are singling out one of those sources for arrest and
prosecution while accepting all others.
There are people who get sick looking at gay people but that does not
mean it should be an illegal activity. This is just political
correctness run amok. The anti smoking crowd is telling smokers they
can't even have a bar dedicated to smokers, far from anyone who might
be offended by it. They say they need "equal access" to that bar so
they can be offended and close it down. Smokers seem to be the only
group of people who have no rights in this country.

Explain why there can't be a "smoker bar" or restaurant. If you are
offended or fear for your life, don't go near the place.

On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:12:20 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/28/2016 09:57 PM, Muggles wrote:
It's not good to inhale carbon monoxide, or breathe in smoke from any
source. Our lungs weren't designed to inhale those things.

Well, I guess we had better cancel our normally scheduled August forest
fires.

The state does controlled burns here that fill the neighborhoods with
smoke for days but if my neighbor lights up a cigarette in the park,
some of these ninnies around here want to call a cop.

On 29/05/2016 00:39, dadiOH wrote:
trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 3:13:14 PM UTC-4, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 05/28/2016 12:28 PM, Bod wrote:

[snip]

Indeed, I prefer a free society.


Of course, freedom IS limited when actions can harm others. Your
freedom of smoking conflicts with others freedom of breathing. If
that wasn't so, I'd have nothing against smoking (at least nothing
other than unwanted fires).


Except of course that this was posted:

we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

Add your reply was:

Yes.

My smoking in my house, does not harm you and it's none of your
business. It's not up to you or big govt to force us to comply just
because you think it's bad for us. And the same libs who are out to
shut down all smoking are out to tell you how much fat you can eat,
how much salt you can have, what size soda you can buy.

+1


+2

--
Bod

On 29/05/2016 02:23, wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2016 19:43:20 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

bob haller wrote:
A great start would be anywhere anyone complains about it



so all public places, townhouses, detached homes if the stench is
detectable off site like a neighbors yard. smoking should be illegal
around any child anyone under 21

we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

the fiancial and personal costs, are just way too high

Suppose no one in the US smoked or EVER smoked. Would they still die?
Seems to me, smokers die faster and (perhaps) younger thereby reducing the
financial cost. Got a light, bud?


I tend to agree. Smokers generally delay medical care until they are
on their death bed and die quickly. It is nothing compared to the cost
of the typical hypochondriacs who bleed medicare every day, linger
into their 90s and use far more medical services.
To be clear, I don't smoke but I am also not offended when people do
and I know their smoke is not harming me. Simply smelling a whiff of
smoke is harmless, it just offends a few people looking for a reason
to be offended. There seems to be a pretty long list of things that
offend these people. .

Well said.

--
Bod

On 29/05/2016 03:52, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 12:28:27 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 28/05/2016 18:20, Reggie wrote:
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
...
On 05/28/2016 11:31 AM, bob haller wrote:
A great start would be anywhere anyone complains about it

so all public places, townhouses, detached homes if the stench is
detectable off site like a neighbors yard. smoking should be illegal
around any child anyone under 21

On private property, if the owner or someone who lives there objects to it
(assume that defendant children object, like with rape).

we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

Yes.

the fiancial and personal costs, are just way too high

I remember something about how someone who smoked for 40 years has spent
enough money to buy a house (and the house isn't putting poison in your
lungs).

what the hell business is that of yours?

Indeed, I prefer a free society.
--
Bod


That's an odd statement coming from a British subject living in a country where one can be jailed for defending himself or insulting a homosexual. What a country, glad I'm not there. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Insulting Monster

So you feel that you have the right to insult someone just because they
are Gay!?
It's no wonder you feel the need to carry a gun.

BTW: While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the
world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners.

*pot kettle*



--
Bod

On 29/05/2016 07:12, rbowman wrote:
On 05/28/2016 09:57 PM, Muggles wrote:
It's not good to inhale carbon monoxide, or breathe in smoke from any
source. Our lungs weren't designed to inhale those things.

Well, I guess we had better cancel our normally scheduled August forest
fires.

Don't forget wood burning stove fumes and CH boiler fumes plus car
exhaust emissions. Muggles says she could die from just one whiff of
them, lol.

--
Bod

On 29/05/2016 08:25, wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:12:20 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/28/2016 09:57 PM, Muggles wrote:
It's not good to inhale carbon monoxide, or breathe in smoke from any
source. Our lungs weren't designed to inhale those things.

Well, I guess we had better cancel our normally scheduled August forest
fires.

The state does controlled burns here that fill the neighborhoods with
smoke for days but if my neighbor lights up a cigarette in the park,
some of these ninnies around here want to call a cop.

Yup, hypocrisy abounds.

--
Bod

On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 6:43:34 PM UTC-5, dadiOH wrote:
bob haller wrote:
A great start would be anywhere anyone complains about it



so all public places, townhouses, detached homes if the stench is
detectable off site like a neighbors yard. smoking should be illegal
around any child anyone under 21

we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

the fiancial and personal costs, are just way too high

Suppose no one in the US smoked or EVER smoked. Would they still die?
Seems to me, smokers die faster and (perhaps) younger thereby reducing the
financial cost. Got a light, bud?

Some years ago, we had an attorney general here in Alabamastan who remarked that smoking should not be outlawed because smokers die sooner and cost the state less money. I support the right of any ADULT to consume any mind and body destroying substance they wish as long as they harm no one else. The definition of harming someone else is a matter of interpretation. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Adult Monster

On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 2:23:42 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2016 22:57:43 -0500, Muggles
wrote:

If that is true, and it sounds like bull**** to me, what is the effect
of the carbon monoxide from lawn mowers, smoke from BBQ grills and the
pollution from wood burning stoves? Should we ban all of them too?

It's not good to inhale carbon monoxide, or breathe in smoke from any
source. Our lungs weren't designed to inhale those things.

Wouldn't you agree we should use caution and good sense when it comes to
exposing ourselves to such things?

But we are singling out one of those sources for arrest and
prosecution while accepting all others.
There are people who get sick looking at gay people but that does not
mean it should be an illegal activity. This is just political
correctness run amok. The anti smoking crowd is telling smokers they
can't even have a bar dedicated to smokers, far from anyone who might
be offended by it. They say they need "equal access" to that bar so
they can be offended and close it down. Smokers seem to be the only
group of people who have no rights in this country.

Explain why there can't be a "smoker bar" or restaurant. If you are
offended or fear for your life, don't go near the place.


Smokers need a safe space. I suppose the only group worse off are Caucasian male American smokers. They had no civil rights to start with. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Right Monster

On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 2:25:54 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 00:12:20 -0600, rbowman
wrote:

On 05/28/2016 09:57 PM, Muggles wrote:
It's not good to inhale carbon monoxide, or breathe in smoke from any
source. Our lungs weren't designed to inhale those things.

Well, I guess we had better cancel our normally scheduled August forest
fires.

The state does controlled burns here that fill the neighborhoods with
smoke for days but if my neighbor lights up a cigarette in the park,
some of these ninnies around here want to call a cop.


I happen to be terribly allergic to tobacco smoke but support the right of any ADULT to breathe whatever body destroying byproducts of combustion they want to as long as they harm no one else. Hell, everything screws with my respiratory system. Right now, plant sperm is making me asthmatic. Back in the 1970's there was a big forest fire in the county South of here. The smoke was blowing in my direction and it caused my nose to bleed. The fraking smoke was coming from 20 miles away and it still affected me. O_o

[8~{} Uncle Asthmatic Monster

On Sun, 29 May 2016 03:23:22 -0400, wrote:



Explain why there can't be a "smoker bar" or restaurant. If you are
offended or fear for your life, don't go near the place.

Employees.

On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 11:31:48 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
A great start would be anywhere anyone complains about it

so all public places, townhouses, detached homes if the stench is detectable off site like a neighbors yard. smoking should be illegal around any child anyone under 21

we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

the financial and personal costs, are just way too high


At least the country headed in the right direction but there is too much money to be made selling an addictive drug to young people. ^_^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZeiLwHKlds

[8~{} Uncle Old Monster

On 05/29/2016 01:23 AM, wrote:
Explain why there can't be a "smoker bar" or restaurant. If you are
offended or fear for your life, don't go near the place.

The local Indian casino allows smoking throughout their facility (hotel, restaurants and gaming floor).

On 5/29/2016 3:49 AM, Bod wrote:


BTW: While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the
world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners.




Interesting statistic standing alone, but what does it mean?

We lock people up for silly reasons?
We are better at catching criminals?
We have better laws?
We have too many laws?
We imprison, other countries execute?

On Sun, 29 May 2016 06:19:08 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2016 03:23:22 -0400, wrote:



Explain why there can't be a "smoker bar" or restaurant. If you are
offended or fear for your life, don't go near the place.

Employees.

We abolished slavery 151 years ago. If the employees don't want to
work around smokers, they can seek employment elsewhere.
We had 2 restaurants here, same franchise, less than a mile apart. The
owner wanted to make one smoking and one non-smoking. The smoke
ninnies were not happy with that and he ended up closing the smoking
one. This was a BBQ joint that was full of hickory smoke all the time,
selling high fat foods. (the last place I know of that still fries
potatoes in animal fat) Health freaks would not go to either of them.

On Sun, 29 May 2016 05:16:55 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 11:31:48 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
A great start would be anywhere anyone complains about it

so all public places, townhouses, detached homes if the stench is detectable off site like a neighbors yard. smoking should be illegal around any child anyone under 21

we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

the financial and personal costs, are just way too high


At least the country headed in the right direction but there is too much money to be made selling an addictive drug to young people. ^_^


High fructose corn syrup? ;-)

The same doctors who bitch about tobacco have no problem prescribing
speed and opium to kids. No matter what the perceived problem is, they
have a cocktail of pills for it.

On Sun, 29 May 2016 09:35:28 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/29/2016 3:49 AM, Bod wrote:


BTW: While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the
world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners.




Interesting statistic standing alone, but what does it mean?

We lock people up for silly reasons?
Yes
We are better at catching criminals?
Perhaps
We have better laws?
The opposite
We have too many laws?
Yes
We imprison, other countries execute?
Somewhat true.
The reality is we have more killers and robbers but most prisoners are
there for non-violent drug crimes and a significant number of the
killings are related to the drug war.

On Sun, 29 May 2016 10:17:59 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2016 06:19:08 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 29 May 2016 03:23:22 -0400, wrote:



Explain why there can't be a "smoker bar" or restaurant. If you are
offended or fear for your life, don't go near the place.

Employees.

We abolished slavery 151 years ago. If the employees don't want to
work around smokers, they can seek employment elsewhere.

Unsafe work place. There you have it.

We had 2 restaurants here, same franchise, less than a mile apart. The
owner wanted to make one smoking and one non-smoking. The smoke
ninnies were not happy with that and he ended up closing the smoking
one. This was a BBQ joint that was full of hickory smoke all the time,
selling high fat foods. (the last place I know of that still fries
potatoes in animal fat) Health freaks would not go to either of them.

Yeah, it's ridiculous.

On 29/05/2016 12:19, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 03:23:22 -0400, wrote:



Explain why there can't be a "smoker bar" or restaurant. If you are
offended or fear for your life, don't go near the place.

Employees.

Then advertise for a barman that is a smoker.

--
Bod

On 29/05/2016 14:35, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/29/2016 3:49 AM, Bod wrote:


BTW: While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the
world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners.




Interesting statistic standing alone, but what does it mean?

We lock people up for silly reasons?
We are better at catching criminals?
We have better laws?
We have too many laws?
We imprison, other countries execute?

http://www.ibtimes.com/incarcerated-...charts-1562451

--
Bod

On 29/05/2016 15:22, wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 05:16:55 -0700 (PDT), Uncle Monster
wrote:

On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 11:31:48 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
A great start would be anywhere anyone complains about it

so all public places, townhouses, detached homes if the stench is detectable off site like a neighbors yard. smoking should be illegal around any child anyone under 21

we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

the financial and personal costs, are just way too high


At least the country headed in the right direction but there is too much money to be made selling an addictive drug to young people. ^_^


High fructose corn syrup? ;-)

The same doctors who bitch about tobacco have no problem prescribing
speed and opium to kids. No matter what the perceived problem is, they
have a cocktail of pills for it.

Prescription Drugs Now Kill More People than Illegal Drugs - Mercola
articles.mercola.com/.../prescription-drugs-number-one-cause-preventable-death-in-us...
26 Oct 2011 - Prescription drugs are now killing more people than
traffic accidents and illegal drugs, according to the 2009 death statistics.

--
Bod

On 5/29/2016 1:12 AM, rbowman wrote:
On 05/28/2016 09:57 PM, Muggles wrote:
It's not good to inhale carbon monoxide, or breathe in smoke from any
source. Our lungs weren't designed to inhale those things.

Well, I guess we had better cancel our normally scheduled August forest
fires.

That kind of smoke make people sick, too.

Fire fighters wear breathing equipment because that smoke isn't good to
breathe, either. People die from smoke inhalation, and they also have
similar physical responses to forest fire smoke that people have from
secondhand cigarette smoke.

--
Maggie

On 2016-05-28, bob haller wrote:

A great start would be anywhere.....

As an ex-smoker of tobacco, I agree.

I don't know why ex-smokers are so offended, but I now absolutely hate
the stink of cigarette smoking. Unbelievably horrible smelling habit!
Can't believe I did it as long as I did. 8|

nb

On 29/05/2016 16:03, notbob wrote:
On 2016-05-28, bob haller wrote:

A great start would be anywhere.....

As an ex-smoker of tobacco, I agree.

I don't know why ex-smokers are so offended, but I now absolutely hate
the stink of cigarette smoking. Unbelievably horrible smelling habit!
Can't believe I did it as long as I did. 8|

nb

Well done for giving up smoking, now you need to give up the biggest
killer....*alcohol*.

Let's spoil everybody's fun by banning everything and become Puritans.

Alcohol Abuse Statistics - Facts About Alcoholism & Addiction - Drug ...
www.drugfreeworld.org › DRUG FACTS: › THE TRUTH ABOUT ALCOHOL
Alcohol kills more teenagers than all other drugs combined. ... more
likely to use other illegal drugs and fifty times more likely to use
cocaine than young people ...


--
Bod

On 5/29/2016 2:23 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2016 22:57:43 -0500, Muggles
wrote:

If that is true, and it sounds like bull**** to me, what is the effect
of the carbon monoxide from lawn mowers, smoke from BBQ grills and the
pollution from wood burning stoves? Should we ban all of them too?

It's not good to inhale carbon monoxide, or breathe in smoke from any
source. Our lungs weren't designed to inhale those things.

Wouldn't you agree we should use caution and good sense when it comes to
exposing ourselves to such things?


But we are singling out one of those sources for arrest and
prosecution while accepting all others.

The topic is smoking, so the OP singled out smoking as the topic.

There are people who get sick looking at gay people but that does not
mean it should be an illegal activity. This is just political
correctness run amok.

No, I disagree. It's a fact that secondhand smoke has caused health
problems for people for a long time. We're finally getting around to
logically responding to that issue.


The anti smoking crowd is telling smokers they
can't even have a bar dedicated to smokers, far from anyone who might
be offended by it. They say they need "equal access" to that bar so
they can be offended and close it down. Smokers seem to be the only
group of people who have no rights in this country.

Smoking isn't a right - it's a want, a bad habit.


Explain why there can't be a "smoker bar" or restaurant. If you are
offended or fear for your life, don't go near the place.


It seems restaurant owners don't want to cater to just smokers because
that eliminates a growing population of people who would not ever become
patrons of that business because of the health hazards there.


--
Maggie

On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 10:52:06 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 12:28:27 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 28/05/2016 18:20, Reggie wrote:
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
...
On 05/28/2016 11:31 AM, bob haller wrote:
A great start would be anywhere anyone complains about it

so all public places, townhouses, detached homes if the stench is
detectable off site like a neighbors yard. smoking should be illegal
around any child anyone under 21

On private property, if the owner or someone who lives there objects to it
(assume that defendant children object, like with rape).

we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

Yes.

the fiancial and personal costs, are just way too high

I remember something about how someone who smoked for 40 years has spent
enough money to buy a house (and the house isn't putting poison in your
lungs).

what the hell business is that of yours?

Indeed, I prefer a free society.
--
Bod


That's an odd statement coming from a British subject living in a country where one can be jailed for defending himself or insulting a homosexual. What a country, glad I'm not there. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Insulting Monster

In many places today you could be arrested for insulting a homosexual, depending on what the insult was. They call it a hate crime.

Funny thing is starting to happen. Some state down south, there is a
bill to make crimes against cops a hate crime now. The reasoning is that
it's a hate crime if it's based on race, religion, gay, skin color, so
let's add cops to the list. Sounds good to me. Then we should keep on
adding, until we get back to where we started, which is just equal treatment
for everybody. If you get beat up or killed, there is plenty of discretion
in the sentence and the judge can adjust it to fit the circumstances.
In other words, we don't need these "hate" laws and IMO, many of them
are unconstitutional. I was watching the news few weeks ago, and there
was some guy murdered and the reporter was saying that they were looking
into whether it was a hate crime, so the perp could be charged. Good grief.
It's a murder already, just sentence him under the murder laws.

On 5/29/2016 2:31 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2016 02:23, wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2016 19:43:20 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

bob haller wrote:
A great start would be anywhere anyone complains about it



so all public places, townhouses, detached homes if the stench is
detectable off site like a neighbors yard. smoking should be illegal
around any child anyone under 21

we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

the fiancial and personal costs, are just way too high

Suppose no one in the US smoked or EVER smoked. Would they still die?
Seems to me, smokers die faster and (perhaps) younger thereby
reducing the
financial cost. Got a light, bud?

I tend to agree. Smokers generally delay medical care until they are
on their death bed and die quickly. It is nothing compared to the cost
of the typical hypochondriacs who bleed medicare every day, linger
into their 90s and use far more medical services.
To be clear, I don't smoke but I am also not offended when people do
and I know their smoke is not harming me. Simply smelling a whiff of
smoke is harmless, it just offends a few people looking for a reason
to be offended. There seems to be a pretty long list of things that
offend these people. .

Well said.


The problem is that the issue of secondhand smoke has NOTHING to do with
being offended.

It's a health issue.

--
Maggie

On 5/29/2016 2:49 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2016 03:52, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 12:28:27 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 28/05/2016 18:20, Reggie wrote:
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
...
On 05/28/2016 11:31 AM, bob haller wrote:
A great start would be anywhere anyone complains about it

so all public places, townhouses, detached homes if the stench is
detectable off site like a neighbors yard. smoking should be illegal
around any child anyone under 21

On private property, if the owner or someone who lives there
objects to it
(assume that defendant children object, like with rape).

we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

Yes.

the fiancial and personal costs, are just way too high

I remember something about how someone who smoked for 40 years has
spent
enough money to buy a house (and the house isn't putting poison in
your
lungs).

what the hell business is that of yours?

Indeed, I prefer a free society.
--
Bod


That's an odd statement coming from a British subject living in a
country where one can be jailed for defending himself or insulting a
homosexual. What a country, glad I'm not there. ^_^


So you feel that you have the right to insult someone just because they
are Gay!?

Why do you want to limit Gay rights?


--
Maggie

On 5/29/2016 2:54 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2016 07:12, rbowman wrote:
On 05/28/2016 09:57 PM, Muggles wrote:
It's not good to inhale carbon monoxide, or breathe in smoke from any
source. Our lungs weren't designed to inhale those things.

Well, I guess we had better cancel our normally scheduled August forest
fires.


Don't forget wood burning stove fumes and CH boiler fumes plus car
exhaust emissions. Muggles says she could die from just one whiff of
them, lol.


I never said that. I did say that secondhand smoke makes me physically
ill, and that VOC's in the air can do the same thing.

--
Maggie

On 29/05/2016 16:09, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 10:52:06 PM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 12:28:27 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 28/05/2016 18:20, Reggie wrote:
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
...
On 05/28/2016 11:31 AM, bob haller wrote:
A great start would be anywhere anyone complains about it

so all public places, townhouses, detached homes if the stench is
detectable off site like a neighbors yard. smoking should be illegal
around any child anyone under 21

On private property, if the owner or someone who lives there objects to it
(assume that defendant children object, like with rape).

we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

Yes.

the fiancial and personal costs, are just way too high

I remember something about how someone who smoked for 40 years has spent
enough money to buy a house (and the house isn't putting poison in your
lungs).

what the hell business is that of yours?

Indeed, I prefer a free society.
--
Bod


That's an odd statement coming from a British subject living in a country where one can be jailed for defending himself or insulting a homosexual. What a country, glad I'm not there. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Insulting Monster

In many places today you could be arrested for insulting a homosexual, depending on what the insult was. They call it a hate crime.

Funny thing is starting to happen. Some state down south, there is a
bill to make crimes against cops a hate crime now. The reasoning is that
it's a hate crime if it's based on race, religion, gay, skin color, so
let's add cops to the list. Sounds good to me. Then we should keep on
adding, until we get back to where we started, which is just equal treatment
for everybody. If you get beat up or killed, there is plenty of discretion
in the sentence and the judge can adjust it to fit the circumstances.
In other words, we don't need these "hate" laws and IMO, many of them
are unconstitutional. I was watching the news few weeks ago, and there
was some guy murdered and the reporter was saying that they were looking
into whether it was a hate crime, so the perp could be charged. Good grief.
It's a murder already, just sentence him under the murder laws.

Agreed.

--
Bod

On 5/29/2016 3:58 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 2:23:42 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 28 May 2016 22:57:43 -0500, Muggles
wrote:

If that is true, and it sounds like bull**** to me, what is the effect
of the carbon monoxide from lawn mowers, smoke from BBQ grills and the
pollution from wood burning stoves? Should we ban all of them too?

It's not good to inhale carbon monoxide, or breathe in smoke from any
source. Our lungs weren't designed to inhale those things.

Wouldn't you agree we should use caution and good sense when it comes to
exposing ourselves to such things?

But we are singling out one of those sources for arrest and
prosecution while accepting all others.
There are people who get sick looking at gay people but that does not
mean it should be an illegal activity. This is just political
correctness run amok. The anti smoking crowd is telling smokers they
can't even have a bar dedicated to smokers, far from anyone who might
be offended by it. They say they need "equal access" to that bar so
they can be offended and close it down. Smokers seem to be the only
group of people who have no rights in this country.

Explain why there can't be a "smoker bar" or restaurant. If you are
offended or fear for your life, don't go near the place.


Smokers need a safe space. I suppose the only group worse off are Caucasian male American smokers. They had no civil rights to start with. ^_^

There is no safe space to smoke.

--
Maggie

On 29/05/2016 16:11, Muggles wrote:
On 5/29/2016 2:49 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/05/2016 03:52, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 12:28:27 PM UTC-5, Bod wrote:
On 28/05/2016 18:20, Reggie wrote:
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
...
On 05/28/2016 11:31 AM, bob haller wrote:
A great start would be anywhere anyone complains about it

so all public places, townhouses, detached homes if the stench is
detectable off site like a neighbors yard. smoking should be illegal
around any child anyone under 21

On private property, if the owner or someone who lives there
objects to it
(assume that defendant children object, like with rape).

we asa nation really need to extqunish smoking completely.

Yes.

the fiancial and personal costs, are just way too high

I remember something about how someone who smoked for 40 years has
spent
enough money to buy a house (and the house isn't putting poison in
your
lungs).

what the hell business is that of yours?

Indeed, I prefer a free society.
--
Bod


That's an odd statement coming from a British subject living in a
country where one can be jailed for defending himself or insulting a
homosexual. What a country, glad I'm not there. ^_^


So you feel that you have the right to insult someone just because they
are Gay!?

Why do you want to limit Gay rights?


Eh!? I said the exact opposite. Gays should have equal rights.

--
Bod

On 2016-05-29, Bod wrote:

Prescription Drugs Now Kill More People than Illegal Drugs....

But.... but.... but!..... All those ppl-killing drugs are so good fer
our economy. Trump will tell you, true! Makes fer more jobs! Besides,
dead ppl can't work.

Bottom line, Trump is one of those dreaded "power elites", an
unapologetic "plutocrat". Yeah, that's who we want. (not)

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