Home |
Search |
Today's Posts |
![]() |
|
Home Repair (alt.home.repair) For all homeowners and DIYers with many experienced tradesmen. Solve your toughest home fix-it problems. |
Reply |
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring.
I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home.. I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. Will Verizon install an NID in or outside at no charge? Will I get marginally faster internet if I have RJ45 cable wired from the incoming directly to my router? It's not a long run maybe 6 feet. Thanks for any expertise you can offer. |
#2
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 8:47:21 AM UTC-4, wrote:
My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring. I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home. I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. Will Verizon install an NID in or outside at no charge? Will I get marginally faster internet if I have RJ45 cable wired from the incoming directly to my router? It's not a long run maybe 6 feet. Thanks for any expertise you can offer. Since you tested as close to where the wiring enters your house and there is no signal there, I'd call the phone company. That's what you're paying for. But one more test I'd do, try it again with everything downstream disconnected, by unhooking it at that block. |
#3
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 4/28/2016 8:51 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 8:47:21 AM UTC-4, wrote: My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring. I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home. I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. Will Verizon install an NID in or outside at no charge? Will I get marginally faster internet if I have RJ45 cable wired from the incoming directly to my router? It's not a long run maybe 6 feet. Thanks for any expertise you can offer. Since you tested as close to where the wiring enters your house and there is no signal there, I'd call the phone company. That's what you're paying for. But one more test I'd do, try it again with everything downstream disconnected, by unhooking it at that block. Sounds like problem outside the house. Phone company will not charge or should not charge to check since you do not have device to connect outside house. When I had wired phones and would call them they always asked me to check outside as if problem was in the house they would charge me. |
#5
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 8:51:26 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 8:47:21 AM UTC-4, wrote: My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring. I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home. I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. Will Verizon install an NID in or outside at no charge? Will I get marginally faster internet if I have RJ45 cable wired from the incoming directly to my router? It's not a long run maybe 6 feet. Thanks for any expertise you can offer. Since you tested as close to where the wiring enters your house and there is no signal there, I'd call the phone company. That's what you're paying for. But one more test I'd do, try it again with everything downstream disconnected, by unhooking it at that block. Thanks, sounds a good idea. The system takes the yellow and black wires to a third terminal on the bottom of the block, and they carry to a small block, I think a transformer, that plugs into a conventional electrical outlet, two pronged. If that goes bad does the whole system lose power? I never thought so because the phones will carry power when there's a power outage, but what do I know. |
#6
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]() |
#7
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]() |
#8
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 7:47:21 AM UTC-5, wrote:
My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring. I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home. I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. Will Verizon install an NID in or outside at no charge? Will I get marginally faster internet if I have RJ45 cable wired from the incoming directly to my router? It's not a long run maybe 6 feet. Thanks for any expertise you can offer. A DSL signal will actually jump a gap that opens the talk battery which is -48 vdc. I've seen it happen before when there was no dial tone but the DSL was working. Go to your demarcation point outside on the wall of your home and check for 48 volts dc across the green and red wires or the flat black drop cable that attaches to the protector. If there is no voltage, it's a phone company problem. The problem could actually be at the central office. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Phone Monster |
#9
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 10:30:00 AM UTC-4, Art Todesco wrote:
On 4/28/2016 10:18 AM, wrote: On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 8:51:26 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 8:47:21 AM UTC-4, wrote: My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring. I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home. I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. Will Verizon install an NID in or outside at no charge? Will I get marginally faster internet if I have RJ45 cable wired from the incoming directly to my router? It's not a long run maybe 6 feet. Thanks for any expertise you can offer. Since you tested as close to where the wiring enters your house and there is no signal there, I'd call the phone company. That's what you're paying for. But one more test I'd do, try it again with everything downstream disconnected, by unhooking it at that block. Thanks, sounds a good idea. The system takes the yellow and black wires to a third terminal on the bottom of the block, and they carry to a small block, I think a transformer, that plugs into a conventional electrical outlet, two pronged. If that goes bad does the whole system lose power? I never thought so because the phones will carry power when there's a power outage, but what do I know. No. That wall-wart is most likely for 1970s era phones with lighted dials. All power comes over the 2 wires. If you have a DC voltmeter, it would be interesting to read the voltage on each of the 2 wires, red and green, to a ground, such as an outlet box or cold water pipe, i.e. red to ground and green to ground. Also, across the red and green. I don't have one, the only thing I have is a WWII era testing light. Two end probes and a tiny light of unknown wattage in the middle. It doesn't light up on the incoming wires. |
#11
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 11:12:04 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:47:17 -0700 (PDT), wrote: My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring. I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home. I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. Will Verizon install an NID in or outside at no charge? Will I get marginally faster internet if I have RJ45 cable wired from the incoming directly to my router? It's not a long run maybe 6 feet. Thanks for any expertise you can offer. There is another thread here that says Verison is striking in the northeast. I bet they trashed something in the CO that took out your phone. If the DSL is working, your wiring is working. As a sanity check, try the phone on the wire to the DSL modem. Will try that this afternoon. Could be the strike, or could be branches. Two weeks ago a big branch tangled up the wires. Electric Co sent a tree trim truck. He cut the branch underneath and the whole thing came down. Everything was fine after that. This is new the last 2 days, I do have the sense that the phone lights were weak on Monday. And in fact now they do not light up at all despite the wall transformer. Odd. |
#12
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 4/28/2016 11:46 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 10:30:00 AM UTC-4, Art Todesco wrote: No. That wall-wart is most likely for 1970s era phones with lighted dials. All power comes over the 2 wires. If you have a DC voltmeter, it would be interesting to read the voltage on each of the 2 wires, red and green, to a ground, such as an outlet box or cold water pipe, i.e. red to ground and green to ground. Also, across the red and green. I don't have one, the only thing I have is a WWII era testing light. Two end probes and a tiny light of unknown wattage in the middle. It doesn't light up on the incoming wires. You may wish to consider a trip to Harbor Freight. Or chat with some neighbors (you did mention having a cell phone) and see if any of them has some wiring skill and tools. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
#13
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]() |
#14
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 2016-04-28, dadiOH wrote:
I have no idea what an NID is but isn't there a phone box on the outside of your house? Try looking it up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_interface_device nb |
#15
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 11:12:56 AM UTC-4, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 7:47:21 AM UTC-5, wrote: My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring. I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home. I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. Will Verizon install an NID in or outside at no charge? Will I get marginally faster internet if I have RJ45 cable wired from the incoming directly to my router? It's not a long run maybe 6 feet. Thanks for any expertise you can offer. A DSL signal will actually jump a gap that opens the talk battery which is -48 vdc. I've seen it happen before when there was no dial tone but the DSL was working. Go to your demarcation point outside on the wall of your home and check for 48 volts dc across the green and red wires or the flat black drop cable that attaches to the protector. If there is no voltage, it's a phone company problem. The problem could actually be at the central office. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Phone Monster I did try my little circuit tester, and it showed no power. I tested directly on the thick black phone wire, stiff copper, that comes into the house, before the lightning resistor box. Then I used one of those little Christmas tree bulbs across the two wires. Again, no juice there at all. So I'm about out of methods to test, and it seems like it is a phone company problem. Have to go visually inspect the phone poles. Also someone who live 20 miles away said they are selling off local access responsibility to another company, and they were told they'll be without phone service for two weeks until reprogrammed. I've not heard of that in this area though. |
#16
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 8:47:21 AM UTC-4, wrote:
My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring. I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home. I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. Will Verizon install an NID in or outside at no charge? Will I get marginally faster internet if I have RJ45 cable wired from the incoming directly to my router? It's not a long run maybe 6 feet. Thanks for any expertise you can offer. THanks to all for all the info. This is far more than I found searching online. Consumers really do understand tech and what to do to help themselves! Thanks! |
#17
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 11:12:04 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:47:17 -0700 (PDT) wrote: My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring. I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home. I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. Will Verizon install an NID in or outside at no charge? Will I get marginally faster internet if I have RJ45 cable wired from the incoming directly to my router? It's not a long run maybe 6 feet. Thanks for any expertise you can offer. There is another thread here that says Verison is striking in the northeast. I bet they trashed something in the CO that took out your phone. If the DSL is working, your wiring is working. As a sanity check, try the phone on the wire to the DSL modem. yeah totally dead on the wire to the DSL. But the DSL is fine. |
#18
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 04/28/2016 09:18 AM, wrote:
Thanks, sounds a good idea. The system takes the yellow and black wires to a third terminal on the bottom of the block, and they carry to a small block, I think a transformer, that plugs into a conventional electrical outlet, two pronged. If that goes bad does the whole system lose power? I never thought so because the phones will carry power when there's a power outage, but what do I know. There was one of those in my first Apartment (in 1980). Some phones used the black and yellow wires to power the dial light (even with phone on-hook). You probably don't need it. Disconnect it. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Every religion in the world that has destroyed people is based on love." [Anton LaVey] |
#19
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 04/28/2016 07:47 AM, wrote:
My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring. I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. Unlikely, but ONE failing could cause the problem if it created a short (at the low frequencies used for phone but not the high frequencies used for DSL). Fixing that may even improve your DSL. Also, the problem may be elsewhere in your inside wiring. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I don't have a NID either. Doesn't matter since I switched to cable for both phone and internet. Why would you have solenoids there? Like another poster said, they could be fuses. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. Do you get a dial tone with the two incoming wires only? (disconnect them and connect ONLY them to your jack) So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. It appears that you have failed to disconnect your inside wiring, while testing the incoming line. A NID makes this easier, but you still need to do it. [snip] -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Every religion in the world that has destroyed people is based on love." [Anton LaVey] |
#20
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 4/28/2016 1:44 PM, wrote:
Thanks for any expertise you can offer. THanks to all for all the info. This is far more than I found searching online. Consumers really do understand tech and what to do to help themselves! Thanks! For plain old telephone: Off hook 5 VDC On hook 48 VDC Ring 105 VAC IIRC, red to ground should show power. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
#21
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]() |
#22
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:35:42 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 4/28/2016 1:44 PM, wrote: Thanks for any expertise you can offer. THanks to all for all the info. This is far more than I found searching online. Consumers really do understand tech and what to do to help themselves! Thanks! For plain old telephone: Off hook 5 VDC On hook 48 VDC Ring 105 VAC IIRC, red to ground should show power. This is also a very high impedance source, It is not going to light a lamp unless it is ringing. Then it would light a neon. 500 ohms or less will take the line "off hook" and show busy to an incoming call. It really sounds like he is not connected to the central office but it is connected to the DSL hub which might just be a box on a pole, right up the street. .. |
#23
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:12:21 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote: wrote: My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring. I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home. I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. Will Verizon install an NID in or outside at no charge? Will I get marginally faster internet if I have RJ45 cable wired from the incoming directly to my router? It's not a long run maybe 6 feet. Thanks for any expertise you can offer. I have no idea what an NID is but isn't there a phone box on the outside of your house? Assuming there is, plug a phone into the jack inside the box. If no tone, call Verizon...it is your problem. If not dead, it is your problem. The NID is the network interface disconnect "box" you talked about. He has no dial tone, so it is a Bell issue. Verizon doesn't own the wires, so why would they get involved? |
#24
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:35:42 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: THanks to all for all the info. This is far more than I found searching online. Consumers really do understand tech and what to do to help themselves! Thanks! For plain old telephone: Off hook 5 VDC On hook 48 VDC Ring 105 VAC IIRC, red to ground should show power. My Grandpa's phone had ceramic copper tip fuses. He would pull them out to keep my siblings from talking to long on the phone. If he hid the fuses my brother would use table forks instead of the fuses. Had to get them out before he came home. I got bit a few times, standing in a rain puddle and plugging a fork in. I only hurts a little bit. |
#26
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 2:30:59 PM UTC-4, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 04/28/2016 07:47 AM, up il.com wrote: My phones have no dial tone. My DSL internet works fine. When I call my home number from my cell I hear ringing, but the phones in the house don't ring. I disconnected all phones and tested one by one. All dead. Still have to replace all the DSL filters one by one. But could they all 5 go dead at once? Could a surge go through the lightning arrestors, knock out 3 phones, leave the DSL router and answering machine untouched? I don't think so. Unlikely, but ONE failing could cause the problem if it created a short (at the low frequencies used for phone but not the high frequencies used for DSL). Fixing that may even improve your DSL. Also, the problem may be elsewhere in your inside wiring. I don't have an NID. It's 1970s wiring, Bell System. The incoming phone line is in the basement and terminates on a lighting block arrestor. Two maroon solenoids on the sides with incoming wire connected above, and phone lines below. I don't have a NID either. Doesn't matter since I switched to cable for both phone and internet. Why would you have solenoids there? Like another poster said, they could be fuses. I hooked up a two wire, red and green jack with RJ11 connector to the incoming wire posts and connected a phone. No dial tone. Do you get a dial tone with the two incoming wires only? (disconnect them and connect ONLY them to your jack) So I'm thinking this is not a problem in the wiring or equipment in my home I'm asking if anyone sees flaws in my analysis. It appears that you have failed to disconnect your inside wiring, while testing the incoming line. A NID makes this easier, but you still need to do it. [snip] -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Every religion in the world that has destroyed people is based on love." [Anton LaVey] I just ran the test by connecting the incoming wires ONLY to the 4 prong jack, red and green wires, then plugged in the rj11 jack and the phone by rj11 cord. No dial tone, no lights, D.E.A.D. So it's not my problem. It could be strike related, I might wait until the strike is over and see what happens. My diagnostic work is done. Thanks and kudos to all. THIS is tech support! |
#27
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]() |
#28
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 28 Apr 2016 21:50:52 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2016-04-28, wrote: was, in fact, MY problem. Which I fixed. neener neener..... ![]() He had no dial tone WHERE IT ENTERED THE HOUSE. So it;s his phone provider's problem (bell or whoever) Dial tone and internet connection are two totally different issues, although with a cut or shorted wire he won't get either one. (someone put a shovel or stake through the cable) You wanna be right. Fine. You win. But, remember: I had NO DIAL TONE "WHERE IT ENTERED THE HOUSE"! Where it enters one's house is NOT the PA. The PA (point-of-access) is where the point of demarcation is. It could be an NID or something else. The point of demarcation is where the phone company's responsibility ends and yers begins. It is often called the PA. It could be an NID, a cable, or a single twisted pair. Whatever. Argue with the OP. 8| nb Now if only someone would explain what a NID is .. .. .. .. |
#29
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:58:10 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:13:35 -0400, wrote: The NID is the network interface disconnect "box" you talked about. He has no dial tone, so it is a Bell issue. Verizon doesn't own the wires, so why would they get involved? It depends on where you live Verison is the dial tone provider in lots of places. There is no "Ma Bell" anymore here and most former RBOC phone companies have abandoned the name. OK, whoevewr operates the central office is responsible for the dial tone. Getting it to you may be the responsibility of a third party depending where youl live. Makes for a real "pass the buck cluster----." |
#30
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 28 Apr 2016 20:26:10 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2016-04-28, wrote: has no dial tone, so it is a Bell issue. Sez you. Bad assumption. I've had internet service w/ no dial tone. And it was on my part of the line. Bad RJ11 union, as I've stated B4 in this thread. So, it was, in fact, MY problem. Which I fixed. neener neener..... ![]() nb He had no dial tone WHERE IT ENTERED THE HOUSE. So it;s his phone provider's problem (bell or whoever) Dial tone and internet connection are two totally different issues, although with a cut or shorted wire he won't get either one. (someone put a shovel or stake through the cable) |
#31
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]() |
#32
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]() |
#33
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 5:50:57 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
On 2016-04-28, wrote: was, in fact, MY problem. Which I fixed. neener neener..... ![]() He had no dial tone WHERE IT ENTERED THE HOUSE. So it;s his phone provider's problem (bell or whoever) Dial tone and internet connection are two totally different issues, although with a cut or shorted wire he won't get either one. (someone put a shovel or stake through the cable) You wanna be right. Fine. You win. But, remember: I had NO DIAL TONE "WHERE IT ENTERED THE HOUSE"! Where it enters one's house is NOT the PA. The PA (point-of-access) is where the point of demarcation is. I've never heard it called a PA, never heard the term before. It could be an NID or something else. He said he has no NID. The point of demarcation is where the phone company's responsibility ends and yers begins. It is often called the PA. It could be an NID, a cable, or a single twisted pair. Whatever. Argue with the OP. 8| nb The OP is at the phone line where it enters the house. Sounds like he's at the point where the phone company's responsibility ends and his begins, so IDK what you're point is. |
#34
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]() |
#35
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 2016-04-28, Wade Garrett wrote:
Check for dial tone and service in the service connection box on the outside of your house. Also called an NID (network interface device) or a PA (point-of-access). Unscrew/open the outer user-accessible door and plug in a known good plain phone (no batteries or separate power connection required). "user-accessible" side requires a flat-blade screwdriver to open. The carrier's side (yer ISP) requires a security TORX driver. No signal there? It's the carrier's problem. Got a signal? it's your problem. Gee, I've been saying the same thing, all morning. ![]() nb |
#36
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 6:56:53 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
On 2016-04-28, Wade Garrett wrote: Check for dial tone and service in the service connection box on the outside of your house. Also called an NID (network interface device) or a PA (point-of-access). Unscrew/open the outer user-accessible door and plug in a known good plain phone (no batteries or separate power connection required). "user-accessible" side requires a flat-blade screwdriver to open. The carrier's side (yer ISP) requires a security TORX driver. No signal there? It's the carrier's problem. Got a signal? it's your problem. Gee, I've been saying the same thing, all morning. ![]() nb I guess you missed the part where the OP said it's an older home and there is no NID. |
#37
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 2016-04-28, trader_4 wrote:
I guess you missed the part where the OP said it's an older home and there is no NID. I guess you missed the part where I keep referring to the point of demarcation or PA (point-of-access) cuz the OP sed he doesn't have an NID. Duh. nb |
#38
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 7:09:13 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
On 2016-04-28, trader_4 wrote: I guess you missed the part where the OP said it's an older home and there is no NID. I guess you missed the part where I keep referring to the point of demarcation or PA (point-of-access) cuz the OP sed he doesn't have an NID. Duh. nb I guess you missed the part where in his very first post it was clear to everyone but you that the OP was essentially there. He said he was testing at the wire where it enters the building. And they don't put a big flag, a sign, or any other marking on the wiring going into his old house that says "DEMARCATION HERE". He's at the point where it enters the building. He has no dial tone. Time to call the phone company, that's what he's paying for. |
#39
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 4/28/2016 7:51 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, April 28, 2016 at 7:09:13 PM UTC-4, notbob wrote: On 2016-04-28, trader_4 wrote: I guess you missed the part where the OP said it's an older home and there is no NID. I guess you missed the part where I keep referring to the point of demarcation or PA (point-of-access) cuz the OP sed he doesn't have an NID. Duh. nb I guess you missed the part where in his very first post it was clear to everyone but you that the OP was essentially there. He said he was testing at the wire where it enters the building. And they don't put a big flag, a sign, or any other marking on the wiring going into his old house that says "DEMARCATION HERE". He's at the point where it enters the building. He has no dial tone. Time to call the phone company, that's what he's paying for. I guess everyone missed every thing about this thread. But, it did light up the board for a while. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
#40
![]()
Posted to alt.home.repair
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
On 28 Apr 2016 21:50:52 GMT, notbob wrote:
On 2016-04-28, wrote: was, in fact, MY problem. Which I fixed. neener neener..... ![]() He had no dial tone WHERE IT ENTERED THE HOUSE. So it;s his phone provider's problem (bell or whoever) Dial tone and internet connection are two totally different issues, although with a cut or shorted wire he won't get either one. (someone put a shovel or stake through the cable) You wanna be right. Fine. You win. But, remember: I had NO DIAL TONE "WHERE IT ENTERED THE HOUSE"! Where it enters one's house is NOT the PA. The PA (point-of-access) is where the point of demarcation is. It could be an NID or something else. The point of demarcation is where the phone company's responsibility ends and yers begins. It is often called the PA. It could be an NID, a cable, or a single twisted pair. Whatever. Argue with the OP. 8| nb So you claim the point of demarkation or point of access esn't where it enters the house??? Fine but now you are picking at straws just to have something to dissagree with. |
Reply |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Forum | |||
I want to know about bad phone wiring! | UK diy | |||
Home phone wiring | Home Repair | |||
Phone wiring | Home Ownership | |||
Home Phone Wiring Question | Home Repair | |||
Help w/ Phone Wiring | Home Repair |