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A neighbor kid found a scooter, a mini-bike, in the woods. He called
the police to report it, but and a patrol car came out soon after, but
the cop said that since it didn't have a VIN, they weren't really
interested, implied he could have it, and left without it. I offered
to help him fix it up.

Does anyone here have experience with a 50cc or so scooter?

1) Is the VIN under a panel somewhere? The bike is street-legal but
without a VIN it will be harder to get plates.

2) Will it start without a battery?

3) How hard is it to remove the gas cap without a drill. (It's a
locking gas cap, can you believe it?)

4) Where is the Engine Stop switch.

5) Do I want a lead acid battery or sealed lead acid? The latter is
a gel, that doesn't have the output, right?

6) In what way does it have neutral gear? The owner's manual** or
something refers to neutral gear, but there is no gear shift. Perhaps
there is something internal that puts it in neutral when the engine is
at idle. Get this: it has an automatic transmission.

So, the instructions say to keep one's hand on the brake when starting
it. Is that only because something not standard might make the engine
race, which would put it in gear?

**(The reapir manual is very good, but it's sort of a composite of
past, present and future models. For example, the manual also refers
in the schematic to an Emergency Stop Switch but in the sketch of
where the parts are, there's no reference to such a switch, and all
the switches are accounted for.)
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 02:32:35 -0600, Micky wrote:

A neighbor kid found a scooter, a mini-bike, in the woods. He called
the police to report it, but and a patrol car came out soon after, but
the cop said that since it didn't have a VIN, they weren't really
interested, implied he could have it, and left without it. I offered
to help him fix it up.

Does anyone here have experience with a 50cc or so scooter?

1) Is the VIN under a panel somewhere? The bike is street-legal but
without a VIN it will be harder to get plates.


You might want to investigate your state's law about street legal.
He might be able to ride around town but not on a highway. Minimum
for interstate riding is 10 horsepower in Nebraska, for example.

2) Will it start without a battery?


Does it have a kick starter? It would have to go back to the
days of magneto ignition to run without a battery.

3) How hard is it to remove the gas cap without a drill. (It's a
locking gas cap, can you believe it?)

4) Where is the Engine Stop switch.

5) Do I want a lead acid battery or sealed lead acid? The latter is
a gel, that doesn't have the output, right?


Lead acid is fine. Walmart might have one.

6) In what way does it have neutral gear? The owner's manual** or
something refers to neutral gear, but there is no gear shift. Perhaps
there is something internal that puts it in neutral when the engine is
at idle. Get this: it has an automatic transmission.


I bet it has a centrifugal clutch. Neutral is just the engine
idling
down. Speed is just controlled by engine rpm.

So, the instructions say to keep one's hand on the brake when starting
it. Is that only because something not standard might make the engine
race, which would put it in gear?


There might be a switch to keep it from starting if the brake isn't
engaged. A motorcycle needs to be in neutral for it to start. I think
I have to hold the clutch lever in also. I can't remember here sitting
in my lazy chair since it's such an ingrained habit. Mine
has a switch to kill the motor if the it's in gear and I put the kick
stand down.

**(The reapir manual is very good, but it's sort of a composite of
past, present and future models. For example, the manual also refers
in the schematic to an Emergency Stop Switch but in the sketch of
where the parts are, there's no reference to such a switch, and all
the switches are accounted for.)


There's a group called rec.motorcycles. You might have better luck
checking there. It's about dead but who knows.


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On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 02:32:35 -0600, Micky
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A neighbor kid found a scooter, a mini-bike, in the woods. He called
the police to report it, but and a patrol car came out soon after,
but the cop said that since it didn't have a VIN, they weren't really
interested, implied he could have it, and left without it. I
offered to help him fix it up.

Does anyone here have experience with a 50cc or so scooter?

1) Is the VIN under a panel somewhere? The bike is street-legal but
without a VIN it will be harder to get plates.


You might want to investigate your state's law about street legal.
He might be able to ride around town but not on a highway. Minimum
for interstate riding is 10 horsepower in Nebraska, for example.

2) Will it start without a battery?


Does it have a kick starter? It would have to go back to the
days of magneto ignition to run without a battery.

3) How hard is it to remove the gas cap without a drill. (It's a
locking gas cap, can you believe it?)

4) Where is the Engine Stop switch.

5) Do I want a lead acid battery or sealed lead acid? The latter is
a gel, that doesn't have the output, right?


Lead acid is fine. Walmart might have one.

6) In what way does it have neutral gear? The owner's manual** or
something refers to neutral gear, but there is no gear shift. Perhaps
there is something internal that puts it in neutral when the engine
is at idle. Get this: it has an automatic transmission.


I bet it has a centrifugal clutch. Neutral is just the engine
idling
down. Speed is just controlled by engine rpm.

So, the instructions say to keep one's hand on the brake when
starting it. Is that only because something not standard might make
the engine race, which would put it in gear?


There might be a switch to keep it from starting if the brake
isn't engaged. A motorcycle needs to be in neutral for it to start.
I think I have to hold the clutch lever in also. I can't remember here
sitting in my lazy chair since it's such an ingrained habit. Mine
has a switch to kill the motor if the it's in gear and I put the kick
stand down.

**(The reapir manual is very good, but it's sort of a composite of
past, present and future models. For example, the manual also
refers in the schematic to an Emergency Stop Switch but in the
sketch of where the parts are, there's no reference to such a
switch, and all the switches are accounted for.)


There's a group called rec.motorcycles. You might have better luck
checking there. It's about dead but who knows.


The guys over at Reeky probably don't know much about scooters ... most of
us ride much bigger machines . Mine's an 800 pound Harley touring bike .
Micky might try looking for a yahoo group about them .

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Micky,

The scooter does not belong to this kid. Before you spend a lot of time
and money fixing the scooter find the owner and get ownership of it. Finding
something does not make it yours once you reach the age of 10
If you can not find the VIN you may e-mail the manufacturer or their US
dealership. They'll know where the VINs are located.

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On 12/7/2015 6:44 AM, David L. Martel wrote:
Micky,

The scooter does not belong to this kid. Before you spend a lot of time and
money fixing the scooter find the owner and get ownership of it. Finding
something does not make it yours once you reach the age of 10
If you can not find the VIN you may e-mail the manufacturer or their US
dealership. They'll know where the VINs are located.

Dave M.


From
,
it appears "Micky"
can't decide whether HE found the scooter:

"I found a small, gasoline-power scooter in the woods near my house
I called the police, and a car came prettyi quickly, and because it
doesn't have a VIN, the patroleman wasn't interested. i said, "Well,
even if doesn't have a VIN, I would think the owners want it back."
But he said if I didn't want it, they'd take it to a yard where it
woudl sit for months and if it didn't run, they'd junk it.

It doesn't run."

or, if the neighborhood *kid* found it:

"A neighbor kid found a scooter, a mini-bike, in the woods. He called
the police to report it, but and a patrol car came out soon after, but
the cop said that since it didn't have a VIN, they weren't really
interested, implied he could have it, and left without it. I offered
to help him fix it up."

I'm waiting for the THIRD version of the story (i.e., maybe the COP found
it??)

Or, maybe it's all a dream and there is NO scooter...
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That is probably the most intelligent post that I have seen in this
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 06:07:02 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 02:32:35 -0600, Micky wrote:

A neighbor kid found a scooter, a mini-bike, in the woods. He called
the police to report it, but and a patrol car came out soon after, but
the cop said that since it didn't have a VIN, they weren't really
interested, implied he could have it, and left without it. I offered
to help him fix it up.

Does anyone here have experience with a 50cc or so scooter?

1) Is the VIN under a panel somewhere? The bike is street-legal but
without a VIN it will be harder to get plates.


You might want to investigate your state's law about street legal.
He might be able to ride around town but not on a highway. Minimum
for interstate riding is 10 horsepower in Nebraska, for example.


Probably needs a license.

2) Will it start without a battery?


Does it have a kick starter?


Yes. I wouldn't have asked otherwise. :-)

It would have to go back to the
days of magneto ignition to run without a battery.


I didn't mean to post 8 posts, inclduing these questions, after
already getting answers to most or all of them. On the scooter
webforum, I was told that if there was an Alternating Current system,
it would start without a battery. But that with a DC system, it
needed a battery. And it's definitely DC. I suppose there really
has been AC circuilts.

3) How hard is it to remove the gas cap without a drill. (It's a
locking gas cap, can you believe it?)

4) Where is the Engine Stop switch.

5) Do I want a lead acid battery or sealed lead acid? The latter is
a gel, that doesn't have the output, right?


Lead acid is fine. Walmart might have one.


I was in Walmart for other reasons and they didn't have shelf space
for motorcycle batteries, but they had some moveable shelves with 40
of them of various sizes, all half price. One, marked down from 34
to 17, was just about the right size but turned out to be about 1/4"
too tall. And I forgot to consider the core charge of $12, and I
don't have a core, so that's 29. At the time, there was one on-line
that was exactly right for $25. He said he only had two left. It will
be interesting to see if he finds more after he sells these. ...Well
he still has 2 of them.

6) In what way does it have neutral gear? The owner's manual** or
something refers to neutral gear, but there is no gear shift. Perhaps
there is something internal that puts it in neutral when the engine is
at idle. Get this: it has an automatic transmission.


I bet it has a centrifugal clutch. Neutral is just the engine
idling
down. Speed is just controlled by engine rpm.


You're right.

So, the instructions say to keep one's hand on the brake when starting
it. Is that only because something not standard might make the engine
race, which would put it in gear?


There might be a switch to keep it from starting if the brake isn't
engaged. A motorcycle needs to be in neutral for it to start. I think
I have to hold the clutch lever in also. I can't remember here sitting
in my lazy chair since it's such an ingrained habit.


LOL. This one has no clutch lever, just the automatic one. I was
right that if something made it race when someone started it, it might
go forward. So the same pair of switches in the brakes, either of
which turns on the brake light, also powers the starter motor start
circuit.

Mine
has a switch to kill the motor if the it's in gear and I put the kick
stand down.


I think the owner's manual it was that said ''Note: Ensure center
stand is deployed before trying to start the scooter." but I couldn't
figure out if deployed meant up or down. ??? Turns out acc. to the
schematic, it's not true anyhow for this particular bike.

**(The reapir manual is very good, but it's sort of a composite of
past, present and future models. For example, the manual also refers
in the schematic to an Emergency Stop Switch but in the sketch of
where the parts are, there's no reference to such a switch, and all
the switches are accounted for.)


I think I was wrong about this. The manual is NOT a composite; and
there is an Emergency Stop Switch on the handlebar, even though it's
not in any sketch in the manual.

There is also a Light Switch on the schematic that I couldn't find
elsewhere in the manual or on the scooter, but voila, when the engine
started, the headlight went on.

There's a group called rec.motorcycles. You might have better luck
checking there. It's about dead but who knows.


Snag, a yahoo group is a good idea. Not as good a format as a
newsgroup, but much better than a webforum.

Thanks both of you
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 10:59:35 -0700, Don Y
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On 12/7/2015 6:44 AM, David L. Martel wrote:
Micky,

The scooter does not belong to this kid. Before you spend a lot of time and
money fixing the scooter find the owner and get ownership of it. Finding
something does not make it yours once you reach the age of 10
If you can not find the VIN you may e-mail the manufacturer or their US
dealership. They'll know where the VINs are located.


Good point. There are some other reasons to think it's abandoned, but
I'll look into it further.

Dave M.


From
,
it appears "Micky"
can't decide whether HE found the scooter:

"I found a small, gasoline-power scooter in the woods near my house
I called the police, and a car came prettyi quickly, and because it
doesn't have a VIN, the patroleman wasn't interested. i said, "Well,
even if doesn't have a VIN, I would think the owners want it back."
But he said if I didn't want it, they'd take it to a yard where it
woudl sit for months and if it didn't run, they'd junk it.

It doesn't run."

or, if the neighborhood *kid* found it:

"A neighbor kid found a scooter, a mini-bike, in the woods. He called
the police to report it, but and a patrol car came out soon after, but
the cop said that since it didn't have a VIN, they weren't really
interested, implied he could have it, and left without it. I offered
to help him fix it up."

I'm waiting for the THIRD version of the story (i.e., maybe the COP found
it??)

Or, maybe it's all a dream and there is NO scooter...


It's a question on a take-home test I'm taking and I was hoping you
all would give me the answers.

If you must know, the OP in this thread was written almost a month
before I posted anything here about the scooter. Googling for info I
found webforums for motorcycles and scooters specifically, so I asked
the questions there. They probably do know more than the people
here, but webforums are so darn inconvenient, compared to newsgroups,
I didn't go back. By the time I posted here, the kid's parents had
decided it was too dangerous for him and too expensive to fix. About
$100 for parts, not counting body parts, if they can be found. So I
left him out of the post to shorten it.

Thanks, both of you.
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On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:53:03 -0600, Micky wrote:


There is also a Light Switch on the schematic that I couldn't find
elsewhere in the manual or on the scooter, but voila, when the engine
started, the headlight went on.


That's something scooters and motorcycles have in common. The
headlight
is on once the motor starts. I've had only 4 bikes and they were all like
that.
The local concrete company runs its trucks with lights on. It's hard to
believe how much more noticeable those big white trucks are with lights on.


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On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 21:53:03 -0600, Micky wrote:


There is also a Light Switch on the schematic that I couldn't find
elsewhere in the manual or on the scooter, but voila, when the engine
started, the headlight went on.


That's something scooters and motorcycles have in common. The
headlight
is on once the motor starts. I've had only 4 bikes and they were all like
that.
The local concrete company runs its trucks with lights on. It's hard to
believe how much more noticeable those big white trucks are with lights on.

Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.
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The local concrete company runs its trucks with lights on. It's hard to
believe how much more noticeable those big white trucks are with lights on.


You wouldn't believe how many people fail to notice a bright red Volvo
White with 40 tons behind it that's getting ready to turn them into
roadkill.
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Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.

I think my first motorcycle was a 1971. It ran with light on.
I think the dimmer switch was mounted right on top of the headlight.
I thought daytime running lights were going to be required here
in the U.S. too. I had a company pickup with DRL. 96 GMC maybe.
I don't know if fuel mileage requirements put a stop to it but that
pickup was the only one I've had with them.


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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:07:30 -0600, wrote:


Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.

I think my first motorcycle was a 1971. It ran with light on.
I think the dimmer switch was mounted right on top of the headlight.
I thought daytime running lights were going to be required here
in the U.S. too. I had a company pickup with DRL. 96 GMC maybe.
I don't know if fuel mileage requirements put a stop to it but that
pickup was the only one I've had with them.

Fuel mileage and DRLs????

I defy anyone to measure the difference with or without.
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On 12/8/2015 7:23 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 12/08/2015 06:07 PM, wrote:
Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.


The daytime running lights on cars negates any advantage of a headlight on a
bike standing out.


I think "daytime running lights", means different things. E.g., the
DRL's on our car are *not* the same lamps that illuminate the roadway
at night (i.e. "headlights"). Instead, they are just a line of lamps
(LED's) beneath the actual headlamps. They are spaced close enough
together (optically) that they look like an "underline" of sorts.

A few days ago, I was face-to-face with some other vehicle with a
similar arrangement. When he applied his turn signal, these white
lights turned to yellow and "swept" outward to complement his
turn signal indicator (cool, but not worth a penny, IMO).

The last car had daytime lights I came out of work one evening at about dusk.
Perhaps I was preoccupied but I started the car, saw the light beams and drove
off. About a half mile later a cop pulled me over and was getting ready to
ticket me for defective tail lights since he saw the headlights but no
taillights. I told him the tail lights were fine and they would come on if I
turned the headlights on. It took a while to convince him.

The next Toyota I bought was the same model but no longer had the daylight
feature. I realy think if you're going to have daylight headlights the
taillights should come on too like on a bike.



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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:23:27 -0700, rbowman
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On 12/08/2015 06:07 PM, wrote:
Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.


The daytime running lights on cars negates any advantage of a headlight
on a bike standing out.

The last car had daytime lights I came out of work one evening at about
dusk. Perhaps I was preoccupied but I started the car, saw the light
beams and drove off. About a half mile later a cop pulled me over and
was getting ready to ticket me for defective tail lights since he saw
the headlights but no taillights. I told him the tail lights were fine
and they would come on if I turned the headlights on. It took a while to
convince him.

The next Toyota I bought was the same model but no longer had the
daylight feature. I realy think if you're going to have daylight
headlights the taillights should come on too like on a bike.


Anything automatic can be a help and a problem.

My headlights come on, maybe dimmer than normal, whenever I start the
engine on my 2000 toyota. This led to problems when I wanted to
surveil my girlfriend's home and I needed to run the engine for heat.

I finally learned that if I put the hand brake on BEFORE I start the
engine, the headlights don't go on.

But now I don't know how to turn the lights on without turning the
engine on.

This car has two photocells on the dashboard. One turns some more
lights on when it gets dark, and I forget what the other one does. I
like them.


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On 12/8/2015 7:23 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 12/08/2015 06:07 PM, wrote:
Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.


The daytime running lights on cars negates any advantage of a headlight on a
bike standing out.


I think "daytime running lights", means different things. E.g., the
DRL's on our car are *not* the same lamps that illuminate the roadway
at night (i.e. "headlights"). Instead, they are just a line of lamps
(LED's) beneath the actual headlamps. They are spaced close enough
together (optically) that they look like an "underline" of sorts.

A few days ago, I was face-to-face with some other vehicle with a
similar arrangement. When he applied his turn signal, these white
lights turned to yellow and "swept" outward to complement his
turn signal indicator (cool, but not worth a penny, IMO).

The last car had daytime lights I came out of work one evening at about dusk.
Perhaps I was preoccupied but I started the car, saw the light beams and drove
off. About a half mile later a cop pulled me over and was getting ready to
ticket me for defective tail lights since he saw the headlights but no
taillights. I told him the tail lights were fine and they would come on if I
turned the headlights on. It took a while to convince him.

The next Toyota I bought was the same model but no longer had the daylight
feature. I realy think if you're going to have daylight headlights the
taillights should come on too like on a bike.


Most DRLs still use the headlights - but cars with LED or HID
headlights can't. Some use the turn signals - some use separate lamps,
Those that use the headlights use them at reduced output - some by
running them in series, some by running high and low in series, and
some by regulating the current.
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 16:20:58 -0500, Micky
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:23:27 -0700, rbowman
wrote:

On 12/08/2015 06:07 PM, wrote:
Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.


The daytime running lights on cars negates any advantage of a headlight
on a bike standing out.

The last car had daytime lights I came out of work one evening at about
dusk. Perhaps I was preoccupied but I started the car, saw the light
beams and drove off. About a half mile later a cop pulled me over and
was getting ready to ticket me for defective tail lights since he saw
the headlights but no taillights. I told him the tail lights were fine
and they would come on if I turned the headlights on. It took a while to
convince him.

The next Toyota I bought was the same model but no longer had the
daylight feature. I realy think if you're going to have daylight
headlights the taillights should come on too like on a bike.


Anything automatic can be a help and a problem.

My headlights come on, maybe dimmer than normal, whenever I start the
engine on my 2000 toyota. This led to problems when I wanted to
surveil my girlfriend's home and I needed to run the engine for heat.

I finally learned that if I put the hand brake on BEFORE I start the
engine, the headlights don't go on.

But now I don't know how to turn the lights on without turning the
engine on.

This car has two photocells on the dashboard. One turns some more
lights on when it gets dark, and I forget what the other one does. I
like them.

The headlight switches USUALLY have on, off, and auto settings,
except for some of the GM crap that doesn't give you a choice.

What is coming on when you start the car is the DRL. Auto headlights
turn on full lights when it gets dark.

The second photocell on some cars auto-dims your high beams.
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Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.

The daytime running lights on cars negates any advantage of a headlight
on a bike standing out.

The last car had daytime lights I came out of work one evening at about
dusk. Perhaps I was preoccupied but I started the car, saw the light
beams and drove off. About a half mile later a cop pulled me over and
was getting ready to ticket me for defective tail lights since he saw
the headlights but no taillights. I told him the tail lights were fine
and they would come on if I turned the headlights on. It took a while to
convince him.

The next Toyota I bought was the same model but no longer had the
daylight feature. I realy think if you're going to have daylight
headlights the taillights should come on too like on a bike.


Anything automatic can be a help and a problem.

My headlights come on, maybe dimmer than normal, whenever I start the
engine on my 2000 toyota. This led to problems when I wanted to
surveil my girlfriend's home and I needed to run the engine for heat.


I didn't reall do this, but I have fantasies of being Richard Diamond.

I finally learned that if I put the hand brake on BEFORE I start the
engine, the headlights don't go on.

But now I don't know how to turn the lights on without turning the
engine on.

This car has two photocells on the dashboard. One turns some more
lights on when it gets dark, and I forget what the other one does. I
like them.

The headlight switches USUALLY have on, off, and auto settings,


That would be better. This one only has on and auto.

except for some of the GM crap that doesn't give you a choice.

What is coming on when you start the car is the DRL. Auto headlights
turn on full lights when it gets dark.

The second photocell on some cars auto-dims your high beams.


But not in this 2000 Toyota Solara. For one thing, it faces up, not
forward. I used to know what it was for, but I forget. And the
owners manual is buried somewhere in my house.
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 16:20:58 -0500, Micky
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:23:27 -0700, rbowman
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On 12/08/2015 06:07 PM, wrote:
Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.

The daytime running lights on cars negates any advantage of a headlight
on a bike standing out.

The last car had daytime lights I came out of work one evening at about
dusk. Perhaps I was preoccupied but I started the car, saw the light
beams and drove off. About a half mile later a cop pulled me over and
was getting ready to ticket me for defective tail lights since he saw
the headlights but no taillights. I told him the tail lights were fine
and they would come on if I turned the headlights on. It took a while to
convince him.

The next Toyota I bought was the same model but no longer had the
daylight feature. I realy think if you're going to have daylight
headlights the taillights should come on too like on a bike.


Anything automatic can be a help and a problem.

My headlights come on, maybe dimmer than normal, whenever I start the
engine on my 2000 toyota. This led to problems when I wanted to
surveil my girlfriend's home and I needed to run the engine for heat.

I finally learned that if I put the hand brake on BEFORE I start the
engine, the headlights don't go on.

But now I don't know how to turn the lights on without turning the
engine on.

This car has two photocells on the dashboard. One turns some more
lights on when it gets dark, and I forget what the other one does. I
like them.

The headlight switches USUALLY have on, off, and auto settings,
except for some of the GM crap that doesn't give you a choice.

What is coming on when you start the car is the DRL. Auto headlights
turn on full lights when it gets dark.

The second photocell on some cars auto-dims your high beams.


When I was a kid, I got my hands on an automatic headlight dimmer system from a 1050's Cadillac. It had a big photocell sensor in a streamlined housing on the dashboard and a tube type control unit in a housing under the hood.. I gutted the thing and used the parts for other things like using the vibrator and some batteries to make a high voltage power supply to zap my classmates with. I should have kept it together because collectors are looking for them to do restoration work on old Caddys and it would be worth some money. ^_^

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1950s-Cadill...-/181764179230

http://tinyurl.com/pmw7jfd

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an automatic headlight dimmer system from a 1050's Cadillac.


Definitely priceless! Ôž_Ôž


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On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 22:52:02 -0500, Micky
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 22:42:10 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 16:20:58 -0500, Micky
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:23:27 -0700, rbowman
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On 12/08/2015 06:07 PM,
wrote:
Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.

The daytime running lights on cars negates any advantage of a headlight
on a bike standing out.

The last car had daytime lights I came out of work one evening at about
dusk. Perhaps I was preoccupied but I started the car, saw the light
beams and drove off. About a half mile later a cop pulled me over and
was getting ready to ticket me for defective tail lights since he saw
the headlights but no taillights. I told him the tail lights were fine
and they would come on if I turned the headlights on. It took a while to
convince him.

The next Toyota I bought was the same model but no longer had the
daylight feature. I realy think if you're going to have daylight
headlights the taillights should come on too like on a bike.

Anything automatic can be a help and a problem.

My headlights come on, maybe dimmer than normal, whenever I start the
engine on my 2000 toyota. This led to problems when I wanted to
surveil my girlfriend's home and I needed to run the engine for heat.


I didn't reall do this, but I have fantasies of being Richard Diamond.

I finally learned that if I put the hand brake on BEFORE I start the
engine, the headlights don't go on.

But now I don't know how to turn the lights on without turning the
engine on.

This car has two photocells on the dashboard. One turns some more
lights on when it gets dark, and I forget what the other one does. I
like them.

The headlight switches USUALLY have on, off, and auto settings,


That would be better. This one only has on and auto.

except for some of the GM crap that doesn't give you a choice.

What is coming on when you start the car is the DRL. Auto headlights
turn on full lights when it gets dark.

The second photocell on some cars auto-dims your high beams.


But not in this 2000 Toyota Solara. For one thing, it faces up, not
forward. I used to know what it was for, but I forget. And the
owners manual is buried somewhere in my house.

Second one on the solara may be solar heat sensor for AC?
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 22:52:02 -0500, Micky
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 22:42:10 -0500,
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On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 16:20:58 -0500, Micky
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:23:27 -0700, rbowman
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On 12/08/2015 06:07 PM,
wrote:
Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.

The daytime running lights on cars negates any advantage of a headlight
on a bike standing out.

The last car had daytime lights I came out of work one evening at about
dusk. Perhaps I was preoccupied but I started the car, saw the light
beams and drove off. About a half mile later a cop pulled me over and
was getting ready to ticket me for defective tail lights since he saw
the headlights but no taillights. I told him the tail lights were fine
and they would come on if I turned the headlights on. It took a while to
convince him.

The next Toyota I bought was the same model but no longer had the
daylight feature. I realy think if you're going to have daylight
headlights the taillights should come on too like on a bike.

Anything automatic can be a help and a problem.

My headlights come on, maybe dimmer than normal, whenever I start the
engine on my 2000 toyota. This led to problems when I wanted to
surveil my girlfriend's home and I needed to run the engine for heat.


I didn't reall do this, but I have fantasies of being Richard Diamond.

I finally learned that if I put the hand brake on BEFORE I start the
engine, the headlights don't go on.

But now I don't know how to turn the lights on without turning the
engine on.

This car has two photocells on the dashboard. One turns some more
lights on when it gets dark, and I forget what the other one does. I
like them.
The headlight switches USUALLY have on, off, and auto settings,


That would be better. This one only has on and auto.

except for some of the GM crap that doesn't give you a choice.

What is coming on when you start the car is the DRL. Auto headlights
turn on full lights when it gets dark.

The second photocell on some cars auto-dims your high beams.


But not in this 2000 Toyota Solara. For one thing, it faces up, not
forward. I used to know what it was for, but I forget. And the
owners manual is buried somewhere in my house.

Second one on the solara may be solar heat sensor for AC?


Maybe. I should clean my house and let you know. Assuming it's in
the manual. When I first got the car, I thought I read the manual,
but I still had to ask several people, including a Toyota mechanic I
know. But I don't think he knew either.
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On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 11:32:23 AM UTC-6, bob_villain wrote:
On Thursday, December 10, 2015 at 10:07:16 AM UTC-6, Uncle Monster wrote:

an automatic headlight dimmer system from a 1050's Cadillac.


Definitely priceless! Ôž_Ôž


Yea! Of course another proofreading hiccup. 1950's Caddy of course. I wonder what a 9th century Cadillac would look like. Would it be a 2 or 4 horse power chariot? Premature Postification is hell. ^_^

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On Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 10:31:05 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 20:55:44 -0600, "Dean Hoffman"
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On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:07:30 -0600, wrote:


Up here in Ontario Canada it has been a legal requirement for
motorbikes to run with lights for several decades - and all new
Canadian market cars have daytime running lights - any time you are
moving, you are lit up.

I think my first motorcycle was a 1971. It ran with light on.
I think the dimmer switch was mounted right on top of the headlight.
I thought daytime running lights were going to be required here
in the U.S. too. I had a company pickup with DRL. 96 GMC maybe.
I don't know if fuel mileage requirements put a stop to it but that
pickup was the only one I've had with them.

Fuel mileage and DRLs????

I defy anyone to measure the difference with or without.


I agree but I once had the ?pleasure? of riding with a taxi driver who though it saved gas. From Ankara to Samsun Turkey in in the middle of the night over poor roads with no lights except for when opposing traffic came by. Was on a change of station and airline "fly and die with THY" dumped us off in Ankara.

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On Monday, December 7, 2015 at 12:32:51 AM UTC-8, Micky wrote:
3) How hard is it to remove the gas cap without a drill. (It's a
locking gas cap, can you believe it?)


A few seconds with a channel lock pliers. Twist the top off and then the "inards" unscrew like a normal gas cap.

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