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toilet flapper again
Two of my toilets are of the same model. Both are made by American
Standard and both use the flapper as shown in the following link: http://www.lowes.com/pd_236807-143-P...ductId=3375098 Lowe's sells this flapper for around $9. Here, I need to pay more than $30 for it. About three months ago, one flapper would not come down after flushing. I thoroughly cleaned it and then put it back. It started to leak. I tried many things but ended up buying a new one. Now, the other toilet has the exact same problem. Yesterday, I was informed that the flapper would not come down. I went to check it. It was not leaking at that time. I removed the flapper and cleaned it. After I put it back, it started to leak, just like the other one. I used a toothbrush and a plastic brush to clean. They should not damage the flapper. Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. |
toilet flapper again
On 10/01/2015 10:43 PM, John Smith wrote:
Two of my toilets are of the same model. Both are made by American Standard and both use the flapper as shown in the following link: http://www.lowes.com/pd_236807-143-P...ductId=3375098 Lowe's sells this flapper for around $9. Here, I need to pay more than $30 for it. About three months ago, one flapper would not come down after flushing. I thoroughly cleaned it and then put it back. It started to leak. I tried many things but ended up buying a new one. Now, the other toilet has the exact same problem. Yesterday, I was informed that the flapper would not come down. I went to check it. It was not leaking at that time. I removed the flapper and cleaned it. After I put it back, it started to leak, just like the other one. I used a toothbrush and a plastic brush to clean. They should not damage the flapper. Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. Maybe you did not ruin it...possible it was just deformed a bit and not seated properly. |
toilet flapper again
philo wrote:
On 10/01/2015 10:43 PM, John Smith wrote: Two of my toilets are of the same model. Both are made by American Standard and both use the flapper as shown in the following link: http://www.lowes.com/pd_236807-143-P...ductId=3375098 Lowe's sells this flapper for around $9. Here, I need to pay more than $30 for it. About three months ago, one flapper would not come down after flushing. I thoroughly cleaned it and then put it back. It started to leak. I tried many things but ended up buying a new one. Now, the other toilet has the exact same problem. Yesterday, I was informed that the flapper would not come down. I went to check it. It was not leaking at that time. I removed the flapper and cleaned it. After I put it back, it started to leak, just like the other one. I used a toothbrush and a plastic brush to clean. They should not damage the flapper. Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. Maybe you did not ruin it...possible it was just deformed a bit and not seated properly. I don.t remember ever clng a flapper but tank seat for it. We have pretty hard water. Flapper is made of pretty springy rubber like fish fins. Rough handling it may render it no good. For slow leak check use some dye drops. |
toilet flapper again
John Smith wrote:
.... Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. did you also clean the rim that the flapper sits upon to seal? our water tank builds up gunk that i need to clean out once a year or so. also clean the rim so that is is smooth once again, but along with that i take the flapper off and clean it and put a very thin layer of vaseline on it which keeps it going for another year. songbird |
toilet flapper again
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 2 Oct 2015 10:13:32 +0630, John Smith
wrote: Two of my toilets are of the same model. Both are made by American Standard and both use the flapper as shown in the following link: http://www.lowes.com/pd_236807-143-P...ductId=3375098 Lowe's sells this flapper for around $9. Here, I need to pay more than $30 for it. About three months ago, one flapper would not come down after flushing. I thoroughly cleaned it and then put it back. It started to leak. I tried many things but ended up buying a new one. Now, the other toilet has the exact same problem. Yesterday, I was Flappers seem to wear out consistently, in the same amount of time, so if one wears out, one the same age might not be far behind. informed that the flapper would not come down. I went to check it. It was not leaking at that time. I removed the flapper and cleaned it. After I put it back, it started to leak, just like the other one. I used a toothbrush and a plastic brush to clean. They should not damage the flapper. Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. The rubber was ready to crumble and brushing it made it crumble? |
toilet flapper again
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 10:13:32 +0630, John Smith wrote:
Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. Did you also clean the seat (the part it rests on when it's shut). Clean that too! Of that seat is worn or corroded, you may need to replace that too. That requires removal of the toilet tank. Not a hard job, but time consuming, and will probably require new tank to bowl bolts and rubber seals as well. I assume you checked to make sure the chain is not holding it up a little, or some other object in the way.... |
toilet flapper again
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 2 Oct 2015 00:41:01 -0400, songbird
wrote: John Smith wrote: ... Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. did you also clean the rim that the flapper sits upon to seal? our water tank builds up gunk that i need to clean out once a year or so. also clean the rim so that is is smooth once again, but along with that i take the flapper off and clean it and put a very thin layer of vaseline on it which keeps it going for another year. Doesn't vaseline itself rot rubber and latex? I know that I read not to use it latex condoms. songbird |
toilet flapper again
On 02/10/2015 11:20, micky wrote: In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 2 Oct 2015 10:13:32 +0630, John Smith wrote: Two of my toilets are of the same model. Both are made by American Standard and both use the flapper as shown in the following link: http://www.lowes.com/pd_236807-143-P...ductId=3375098 Lowe's sells this flapper for around $9. Here, I need to pay more than $30 for it. About three months ago, one flapper would not come down after flushing. I thoroughly cleaned it and then put it back. It started to leak. I tried many things but ended up buying a new one. Now, the other toilet has the exact same problem. Yesterday, I was Flappers seem to wear out consistently, in the same amount of time, so if one wears out, one the same age might not be far behind. informed that the flapper would not come down. I went to check it. It was not leaking at that time. I removed the flapper and cleaned it. After I put it back, it started to leak, just like the other one. I used a toothbrush and a plastic brush to clean. They should not damage the flapper. Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. The rubber was ready to crumble and brushing it made it crumble? Both toilets are more than 10 years old. I understand that the flapper probably has passed its useful life. I just don't understand why it did not leak before cleaning but did so after cleaning. Toothbrush is quite soft. The other brush is a bit harder. Yet, there is no scratch marks on the rubber. The rubber has some "goose bumps". I can only guess that gunk filled up the gap between "goose bumps". After cleaning, the gunk is gone and the flapper starts to leak. |
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toilet flapper again
On 02/10/2015 11:11, songbird wrote: John Smith wrote: ... Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. did you also clean the rim that the flapper sits upon to seal? our water tank builds up gunk that i need to clean out once a year or so. also clean the rim so that is is smooth once again, but along with that i take the flapper off and clean it and put a very thin layer of vaseline on it which keeps it going for another year. songbird Yes. I cleaned the rim also. It did not help. |
toilet flapper again
On 02/10/2015 10:53, Tony Hwang wrote: philo wrote: On 10/01/2015 10:43 PM, John Smith wrote: Two of my toilets are of the same model. Both are made by American Standard and both use the flapper as shown in the following link: http://www.lowes.com/pd_236807-143-P...ductId=3375098 Lowe's sells this flapper for around $9. Here, I need to pay more than $30 for it. About three months ago, one flapper would not come down after flushing. I thoroughly cleaned it and then put it back. It started to leak. I tried many things but ended up buying a new one. Now, the other toilet has the exact same problem. Yesterday, I was informed that the flapper would not come down. I went to check it. It was not leaking at that time. I removed the flapper and cleaned it. After I put it back, it started to leak, just like the other one. I used a toothbrush and a plastic brush to clean. They should not damage the flapper. Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. Maybe you did not ruin it...possible it was just deformed a bit and not seated properly. I don.t remember ever clng a flapper but tank seat for it. We have pretty hard water. Flapper is made of pretty springy rubber like fish fins. Rough handling it may render it no good. For slow leak check use some dye drops. The water tank is coated with a layer of black gunk, up to the water line mark. The chain, inlet valve, flapper, everything is coated with the black gunk. It is not difficult to remove. It just take time. The reason the flapper stayed up and refused to come down is because the drain hole on the flapper was plugged with the black gunk. There is no need to use dye to check for leaking. Two minutes after the water tank is full and water is cut off (no hissing sound) water starts to slowly fill again. This is definite a sign of leaking. |
toilet flapper again
On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 5:26:52 AM UTC-4, John Smith wrote:
Both toilets are more than 10 years old. I understand that the flapper probably has passed its useful life. I just don't understand why it did not leak before cleaning but did so after cleaning. You got 10 years on a flapper? I'm lucky to get 2. I think it depends on your water. |
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micky wrote:
.... Doesn't vaseline itself rot rubber and latex? haven't noticed a problem with it so far (17 years). songbird |
toilet flapper again
On 10/1/2015 11:43 PM, John Smith wrote:
Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. Maybe the gunk you cleaned made the seal. Is the toilet itself clean? Could be some mineral buildup on it. |
toilet flapper again
John Smith wrote:
.... Both toilets are more than 10 years old. I understand that the flapper probably has passed its useful life. I just don't understand why it did not leak before cleaning but did so after cleaning. Toothbrush is quite soft. The other brush is a bit harder. Yet, there is no scratch marks on the rubber. The rubber has some "goose bumps". I can only guess that gunk filled up the gap between "goose bumps". After cleaning, the gunk is gone and the flapper starts to leak. if it isn't smooth then that will cause a leak. using a thin layer of vaseline (or some other water- proof grease) might smooth it out enough to seal completely. songbird |
toilet flapper again
On 10/1/2015 8:43 PM, John Smith wrote:
Two of my toilets are of the same model. Both are made by American Standard and both use the flapper as shown in the following link: http://www.lowes.com/pd_236807-143-P...ductId=3375098 Lowe's sells this flapper for around $9. Here, I need to pay more than $30 for it. About three months ago, one flapper would not come down after flushing. I thoroughly cleaned it and then put it back. It started to leak. I tried many things but ended up buying a new one. Now, the other toilet has the exact same problem. Yesterday, I was informed that the flapper would not come down. I went to check it. It was not leaking at that time. I removed the flapper and cleaned it. After I put it back, it started to leak, just like the other one. I used a toothbrush and a plastic brush to clean. They should not damage the flapper. Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. It's what you get for buying that Chink scrap at Home Cheapo. Nearly everything there is made in Chinkland. Buy American, asshole! LOL |
toilet flapper again
On 10/2/2015 1:22 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 2 Oct 2015 00:41:01 -0400, songbird our water tank builds up gunk that i need to clean out once a year or so. also clean the rim so that is is smooth once again, but along with that i take the flapper off and clean it and put a very thin layer of vaseline on it which keeps it going for another year. Doesn't vaseline itself rot rubber and latex? [Why it lasts only a year?] I know that I read not to use it latex condoms. songbird Center posted as a courtesy. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 16:10:56 +0630, John Smith wrote:
There is no need to use dye to check for leaking. Two minutes after the water tank is full and water is cut off (no hissing sound) water starts to slowly fill again. This is definite a sign of leaking. It may just need a little finessing -- it may be a little offset in one direction of the other. Try rotating it one direction or the other until it stops leaking. BTDT |
toilet flapper again
John Smith wrote:
On 02/10/2015 11:11, songbird wrote: John Smith wrote: ... Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. did you also clean the rim that the flapper sits upon to seal? our water tank builds up gunk that i need to clean out once a year or so. also clean the rim so that is is smooth once again, but along with that i take the flapper off and clean it and put a very thin layer of vaseline on it which keeps it going for another year. songbird Yes. I cleaned the rim also. It did not help. Checking the rough spot? |
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songbird wrote:
John Smith wrote: ... Both toilets are more than 10 years old. I understand that the flapper probably has passed its useful life. I just don't understand why it did not leak before cleaning but did so after cleaning. Toothbrush is quite soft. The other brush is a bit harder. Yet, there is no scratch marks on the rubber. The rubber has some "goose bumps". I can only guess that gunk filled up the gap between "goose bumps". After cleaning, the gunk is gone and the flapper starts to leak. if it isn't smooth then that will cause a leak. using a thin layer of vaseline (or some other water- proof grease) might smooth it out enough to seal completely. songbird Worst, time to replace toilet. Replcing flap is not even a rocket science. I like red colored flap by Korky. Costs little more, good stuff. |
toilet flapper again
On 10/2/2015 11:14 AM, Checkmate, DoW #1 wrote:
Who bothers to clean their flapper? All the women I know do. |
toilet flapper again
On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 2:26:52 AM UTC-7, John Smith wrote:
On 02/10/2015 11:20, micky wrote: Both toilets are more than 10 years old. I understand that the flapper probably has passed its useful life. I just don't understand why it did not leak before cleaning but did so after cleaning. Toothbrush is quite soft. The other brush is a bit harder. Yet, there is no scratch marks on the rubber. The rubber has some "goose bumps". I can only guess that gunk filled up the gap between "goose bumps". After cleaning, the gunk is gone and the flapper starts to leak. A toothbrush isn't enough. You need to scrub both the flapper and the seat with a wet cloth or paper towel. Goose bumps indicate the flapper was made of vinyl, or maybe a blend of vinyl and rubber. They'll disappear after the flapper dries out for a few weeks, and some vinyl flappers will also change from grey back to black. But a vinyl flapper can develop a permanent set, like a ring indentation where it pressed against the seat of the drain, or even a warp, and it's common for them to not seal any more. |
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What is causing the black gunk? Our main toilets are 50 years old and the insides of the tanks are barely coated with a light film of stuff. You can see right thru whatever has built up and read the original writing on the inside tank walls. |
toilet flapper again
On 10/2/2015 11:14 AM, Checkmate, DoW #1 wrote:
In article , says... On 10/1/2015 8:43 PM, John Smith wrote: Two of my toilets are of the same model. Both are made by American Standard and both use the flapper as shown in the following link: http://www.lowes.com/pd_236807-143-P...ductId=3375098 Lowe's sells this flapper for around $9. Here, I need to pay more than $30 for it. About three months ago, one flapper would not come down after flushing. I thoroughly cleaned it and then put it back. It started to leak. I tried many things but ended up buying a new one. Now, the other toilet has the exact same problem. Yesterday, I was informed that the flapper would not come down. I went to check it. It was not leaking at that time. I removed the flapper and cleaned it. After I put it back, it started to leak, just like the other one. I used a toothbrush and a plastic brush to clean. They should not damage the flapper. Can anyone explain why a flapper which was not leaking leaks after cleaning? Much appreciated. It's what you get for buying that Chink scrap at Home Cheapo. Nearly everything there is made in Chinkland. Buy American, asshole! LOL Who bothers to clean their flapper? Yeah, guys stopped doing that in the 1920s. -- - 2015 DoW #5 - 2015; Official overseer of lobster stuffers in AUK (mac and cheese division) - 2015; Official recipient of the Everybody Is Everybody Award - 2015; Winner of the Janithor Has More Awards Than Me Award - 2015; Winner of the Multiplex Award (whatever the hell that is) - 2015; Winner of the You Lose All Your Awards Award |
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On 10/2/2015 8:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 10/2/2015 11:14 AM, Checkmate, DoW #1 wrote: Who bothers to clean their flapper? All the women I know do. OMGAWD! LOL |
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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 09:14:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
What is causing the black gunk? Rubber failure. |
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On 02/10/2015 21:34, Oren wrote: On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 16:10:56 +0630, John Smith wrote: There is no need to use dye to check for leaking. Two minutes after the water tank is full and water is cut off (no hissing sound) water starts to slowly fill again. This is definite a sign of leaking. It may just need a little finessing -- it may be a little offset in one direction of the other. Try rotating it one direction or the other until it stops leaking. BTDT Thanks for the advice. I tried it. Didn't help. |
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 06:00:41 +0630, John Smith wrote:
On 02/10/2015 21:34, Oren wrote: On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 16:10:56 +0630, John Smith wrote: There is no need to use dye to check for leaking. Two minutes after the water tank is full and water is cut off (no hissing sound) water starts to slowly fill again. This is definite a sign of leaking. It may just need a little finessing -- it may be a little offset in one direction of the other. Try rotating it one direction or the other until it stops leaking. BTDT Thanks for the advice. I tried it. Didn't help. Can you sllide it up or down a tad and see if that helps? |
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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:59:34 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Who bothers to clean their flapper? All the women I know do. Exactly the reason they wash their mud flaps. |
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Oren posted for all of us...
On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 11:59:34 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: Who bothers to clean their flapper? All the women I know do. Exactly the reason they wash their mud flaps. Do they have Yosemite Sam on them? -- Tekkie |
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On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:36:10 -0400, Tekkie® wrote:
Who bothers to clean their flapper? All the women I know do. Exactly the reason they wash their mud flaps. Do they have Yosemite Sam on them? https://www.youtube.com/user/PaulSzottDMD/videos |
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