I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by American
Standard. This commode is quite old. Recently, it has the problem that
the flapper won't come down. I want to replace the flapper but this
flapper is quite unusual. Most of the flappers has two ears and is
attached to a center tube. This commode doesn't have a center tube. On a
corner of the water tank there are two holes which allow excess water to
flow into the bowl.

I cannot accurately describe this flapper but I'll try. It is like a
regular flapper (without the ears) with a 1" tube, 2 to 3 inches long,
placed horizontally on top of it. Above it is an arm with a chain which
is attached to the handle for flushing.

I know there is not much info to go by but if anyone can understand what
I'm talking about and point me to a picture on the web, it'll be greatly
appreciated.

I searched Google but did not find the flapper I was looking for. The
closest thing I can find is this:

http://guideimg.alibaba.com/images/s...it_2440198.jpg

On 9/6/2015 9:38 AM, John Smith wrote:
I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by American
Standard. This commode is quite old. Recently, it has the problem that the
flapper won't come down. I want to replace the flapper but this flapper is
quite unusual. Most of the flappers has two ears and is attached to a center
tube. This commode doesn't have a center tube. On a corner of the water tank
there are two holes which allow excess water to flow into the bowl.

I cannot accurately describe this flapper but I'll try. It is like a regular
flapper (without the ears) with a 1" tube, 2 to 3 inches long, placed
horizontally on top of it. Above it is an arm with a chain which is attached to
the handle for flushing.

I know there is not much info to go by but if anyone can understand what I'm
talking about and point me to a picture on the web, it'll be greatly appreciated.

I searched Google but did not find the flapper I was looking for. The closest
thing I can find is this:

Have you done an *image* search on google for "toilet flapper"?

http://img2-2.timeinc.net/toh/i/g/10/home-repair/07-toilets-run/01-faucets-drip.jpg

You could also take a photo and post it on one of the many file
hosting services...

On Sun, 6 Sep 2015 23:08:23 +0630, John Smith wrote:

I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by American
Standard. This commode is quite old

You might look inside the tank. There, you may find a make or model
number.

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 9:38:37 AM UTC-7, John Smith wrote:
I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by American
Standard. This commode is quite old. Recently, it has the problem that
the flapper won't come down. I want to replace the flapper but this
flapper is quite unusual. Most of the flappers has two ears and is
attached to a center tube. This commode doesn't have a center tube. On a
corner of the water tank there are two holes which allow excess water to
flow into the bowl.

I cannot accurately describe this flapper but I'll try. It is like a
regular flapper (without the ears) with a 1" tube, 2 to 3 inches long,
placed horizontally on top of it. Above it is an arm with a chain which
is attached to the handle for flushing.

I know there is not much info to go by but if anyone can understand what
I'm talking about and point me to a picture on the web, it'll be greatly
appreciated.

I searched Google but did not find the flapper I was looking for. The
closest thing I can find is this:

http://guideimg.alibaba.com/images/s...it_2440198.jpg

Can't help with where to get it but I cured a toilet I had where the chain would kink a bit thus not sealing. Cured it by applying a fish weight to it. If you problem is the flapper isn't dropping, that might help.

Harry K

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 6 Sep 2015 23:08:23 +0630, John Smith
wrote:

I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by American
Standard. This commode is quite old. Recently, it has the problem that
the flapper won't come down. I want to replace the flapper but this
flapper is quite unusual.

Have you started looking for it in stores?

Most of the flappers has two ears and is
attached to a center tube. This commode doesn't have a center tube. On a
corner of the water tank there are two holes which allow excess water to
flow into the bowl.

I cannot accurately describe this flapper but I'll try. It is like a
regular flapper (without the ears) with a 1" tube, 2 to 3 inches long,
placed horizontally on top of it. Above it is an arm with a chain which
is attached to the handle for flushing.

This sounds like that 2nd or 3rd company's flapper, the company with Q
in the name, that's supposed to be more quiet. Try Ace Hardware.

I know there is not much info to go by but if anyone can understand what
I'm talking about and point me to a picture on the web, it'll be greatly
appreciated.

I searched Google but did not find the flapper I was looking for. The
closest thing I can find is this:

http://guideimg.alibaba.com/images/s...it_2440198.jpg


--

Stumpy Strumpet
the bimbus
for dogcatcher

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:38:37 PM UTC-4, John Smith wrote:

Try taking it to a real plumbing supply.

On 06/09/2015 23:14, Don Y wrote:
On 9/6/2015 9:38 AM, John Smith wrote:
I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by American
Standard. This commode is quite old. Recently, it has the problem that
the
flapper won't come down. I want to replace the flapper but this
flapper is
quite unusual. Most of the flappers has two ears and is attached to a
center
tube. This commode doesn't have a center tube. On a corner of the
water tank
there are two holes which allow excess water to flow into the bowl.

I cannot accurately describe this flapper but I'll try. It is like a
regular
flapper (without the ears) with a 1" tube, 2 to 3 inches long, placed
horizontally on top of it. Above it is an arm with a chain which is
attached to
the handle for flushing.

I know there is not much info to go by but if anyone can understand
what I'm
talking about and point me to a picture on the web, it'll be greatly
appreciated.

I searched Google but did not find the flapper I was looking for. The
closest
thing I can find is this:

Have you done an *image* search on google for "toilet flapper"?

http://img2-2.timeinc.net/toh/i/g/10/home-repair/07-toilets-run/01-faucets-drip.jpg


You could also take a photo and post it on one of the many file
hosting services...

Thank you. The flapper in the link is quite similar to what I have
except in mine the tube is right on top of (touching ) the flapper.

How do I remove the flapper? I need to remove it to replace it.

On 07/09/2015 06:17, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:38:37 PM UTC-4, John Smith wrote:

Try taking it to a real plumbing supply.


I would if I knew how to remove it. I can't see how it is attached to
the toilet. I used my hand to feel the connection but couldn't tell
anything.

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 7:07:23 PM UTC-5, John Smith wrote:
On 07/09/2015 06:17, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:38:37 PM UTC-4, John Smith wrote:

Try taking it to a real plumbing supply.


I would if I knew how to remove it. I can't see how it is attached to
the toilet. I used my hand to feel the connection but couldn't tell
anything.

Can you take a few pictures and post them to a picture sharing site? ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Toilet Monster

John Smith wrote:
I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by American
Standard. This commode is quite old. Recently, it has the problem that
the flapper won't come down. I want to replace the flapper but this
flapper is quite unusual. Most of the flappers has two ears and is
attached to a center tube. This commode doesn't have a center tube. On a
corner of the water tank there are two holes which allow excess water to
flow into the bowl.

I cannot accurately describe this flapper but I'll try. It is like a
regular flapper (without the ears) with a 1" tube, 2 to 3 inches long,
placed horizontally on top of it. Above it is an arm with a chain which
is attached to the handle for flushing.

I know there is not much info to go by but if anyone can understand what
I'm talking about and point me to a picture on the web, it'll be greatly
appreciated.

I searched Google but did not find the flapper I was looking for. The
closest thing I can find is this:

http://guideimg.alibaba.com/images/s...it_2440198.jpg

Try plumbingsupply.com

On 9/6/2015 8:07 PM, John Smith wrote:


On 07/09/2015 06:17, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:38:37 PM UTC-4, John Smith wrote:

Try taking it to a real plumbing supply.


I would if I knew how to remove it. I can't see how it is attached to
the toilet. I used my hand to feel the connection but couldn't tell
anything.

If you find one, how do you plan to install it? I see a new toilet in
your future. Get a comfort height unless you are very short.

On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 06:33:04 +0630, John Smith wrote:



On 06/09/2015 23:14, Don Y wrote:
On 9/6/2015 9:38 AM, John Smith wrote:
I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by American
Standard. This commode is quite old. Recently, it has the problem that
the
flapper won't come down. I want to replace the flapper but this
flapper is
quite unusual. Most of the flappers has two ears and is attached to a
center
tube. This commode doesn't have a center tube. On a corner of the
water tank
there are two holes which allow excess water to flow into the bowl.

I cannot accurately describe this flapper but I'll try. It is like a
regular
flapper (without the ears) with a 1" tube, 2 to 3 inches long, placed
horizontally on top of it. Above it is an arm with a chain which is
attached to
the handle for flushing.

I know there is not much info to go by but if anyone can understand
what I'm
talking about and point me to a picture on the web, it'll be greatly
appreciated.

I searched Google but did not find the flapper I was looking for. The
closest
thing I can find is this:

Have you done an *image* search on google for "toilet flapper"?

http://img2-2.timeinc.net/toh/i/g/10/home-repair/07-toilets-run/01-faucets-drip.jpg


You could also take a photo and post it on one of the many file
hosting services...

Thank you. The flapper in the link is quite similar to what I have
except in mine the tube is right on top of (touching ) the flapper.

How do I remove the flapper? I need to remove it to replace it.

This seems to be an American Standard brand flapper. Some screw onto the
stud or screw protruding from the tube and some snap over a ball that
is part of the tube.
When old and hardened, you may have to cut the rubber on the snap on
type to get it off. The tubes may be difficult to remove from the pivot
and often break one of the ears they pivot on when older but the flapper
can be removed without unclipping the tubes.
Go online or to a plumbing house and look at both types for a definitive
match. The universal types that fit both sometimes do not fit or operate
well.
--
Mr.E

In ,
John Smith typed:
I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by American
Standard. This commode is quite old. Recently, it has the problem that
the flapper won't come down. I want to replace the flapper but this
flapper is quite unusual. Most of the flappers has two ears and is
attached to a center tube. This commode doesn't have a center tube.
On a corner of the water tank there are two holes which allow excess
water to flow into the bowl.

I had a similar situation with a one-piece American Standard toilet flapper.
I had a hard time figuring out what the exact replacement was. I ended up
going to Lowes and trying two different types before I found the correct
one. Even then, I could never get it to work correctly so it kept hanging
up. Since it was a rental property, I finally gave up and put in a new
toilet that has a "normal" flapper.

If I remember correctly, the black flapper assembly un-clips or un-hooks
from the base piece. I also think that for some of these, the base piece
itself can be replaced by removing 3 screws and clips that hold it in place.

I probably should have just taken the old one to a plumbing supply place,
but, like you, I couldn't figure out how to get the old one off at first.

Here are two links that may give you some ideas:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_236807-143-P...ductId=3375098



https://www.google.com/search?q=toil...2u9oHDa1cyM%3A



The first link may or may not look like the one you have now. The second
link shows one with the white base ring that the flappers hook on to. The
white base ring is attached to the bottom of the tank with 3 screws and 3
metal clips.

On 07/09/2015 07:51, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 7:07:23 PM UTC-5, John Smith wrote:
On 07/09/2015 06:17, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 12:38:37 PM UTC-4, John Smith wrote:

Try taking it to a real plumbing supply.


I would if I knew how to remove it. I can't see how it is attached to
the toilet. I used my hand to feel the connection but couldn't tell
anything.

Can you take a few pictures and post them to a picture sharing site? ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Toilet Monster

My camera cannot go in the water tank, neither can my flash light. I
need to purchase a pen size flash light.

On 07/09/2015 22:53, TomR wrote:
In ,
John Smith typed:
I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by American
Standard. This commode is quite old. Recently, it has the problem that
the flapper won't come down. I want to replace the flapper but this
flapper is quite unusual. Most of the flappers has two ears and is
attached to a center tube. This commode doesn't have a center tube.
On a corner of the water tank there are two holes which allow excess
water to flow into the bowl.

I had a similar situation with a one-piece American Standard toilet flapper.
I had a hard time figuring out what the exact replacement was. I ended up
going to Lowes and trying two different types before I found the correct
one. Even then, I could never get it to work correctly so it kept hanging
up. Since it was a rental property, I finally gave up and put in a new
toilet that has a "normal" flapper.

If I remember correctly, the black flapper assembly un-clips or un-hooks
from the base piece. I also think that for some of these, the base piece
itself can be replaced by removing 3 screws and clips that hold it in place.

I probably should have just taken the old one to a plumbing supply place,
but, like you, I couldn't figure out how to get the old one off at first.

Here are two links that may give you some ideas:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_236807-143-P...ductId=3375098



https://www.google.com/search?q=toil...2u9oHDa1cyM%3A



The first link may or may not look like the one you have now. The second
link shows one with the white base ring that the flappers hook on to. The
white base ring is attached to the bottom of the tank with 3 screws and 3
metal clips.


Thank you. That's what I have. It seems, instead of removing the base
unit along with the flapper, I can unscrew the flapper from the base
unit. I'll try it tonight.

In ,
John Smith typed:
On 07/09/2015 22:53, TomR wrote:
In ,
John Smith typed:
I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by
American Standard. This commode is quite old. Recently, it has the
problem that the flapper won't come down. I want to replace the
flapper but this flapper is quite unusual. Most of the flappers has
two ears and is attached to a center tube. This commode doesn't
have a center tube. On a corner of the water tank there are two
holes which allow excess water to flow into the bowl.

I had a similar situation with a one-piece American Standard toilet
flapper. I had a hard time figuring out what the exact replacement
was. I ended up going to Lowes and trying two different types
before I found the correct one. Even then, I could never get it to
work correctly so it kept hanging up. Since it was a rental
property, I finally gave up and put in a new toilet that has a
"normal" flapper. If I remember correctly, the black flapper assembly
un-clips or
un-hooks from the base piece. I also think that for some of these,
the base piece itself can be replaced by removing 3 screws and clips
that hold it in place. I probably should have just taken the old one to a
plumbing supply
place, but, like you, I couldn't figure out how to get the old one
off at first. Here are two links that may give you some ideas:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_236807-143-P...ductId=3375098

https://www.google.com/search?q=toil...2u9oHDa1cyM%3A

The first link may or may not look like the one you have now. The
second link shows one with the white base ring that the flappers
hook on to. The white base ring is attached to the bottom of the
tank with 3 screws and 3 metal clips.

Thank you. That's what I have. It seems, instead of removing the base
unit along with the flapper, I can unscrew the flapper from the base
unit. I'll try it tonight.

I have one of these sitting in front of me in the original package (from
Lowes). As far as I can tell, the way you get the black flapper assembly
off is to carefully unclip it from the white base. It sort of snaps in
place. I don't think any screws are involved unless you want to take the
white base off -- but I don't think you need to or would want to do that.
Good luck. Hope you get it figured out.

In ,
John Smith typed:
I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by American
Standard. This commode is quite old. Recently, it has the problem that
the flapper won't come down. I want to replace the flapper but this
flapper is quite unusual. Most of the flappers has two ears and is
attached to a center tube. This commode doesn't have a center tube.
On a corner of the water tank there are two holes which allow excess
water to flow into the bowl.


FLAP YOU!
LOL

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 7 Sep 2015 12:23:48 -0400, "TomR"
wrote:

In ,
John Smith typed:
I have a one-piece Atlas commode which, I believe, is made by American
Standard. This commode is quite old. Recently, it has the problem that
the flapper won't come down. I want to replace the flapper but this
flapper is quite unusual. Most of the flappers has two ears and is
attached to a center tube. This commode doesn't have a center tube.
On a corner of the water tank there are two holes which allow excess
water to flow into the bowl.

I had a similar situation with a one-piece American Standard toilet flapper.
I had a hard time figuring out what the exact replacement was. I ended up
going to Lowes and trying two different types before I found the correct
one. Even then, I could never get it to work correctly so it kept hanging
up. Since it was a rental property, I finally gave up and put in a new
toilet that has a "normal" flapper.

If I remember correctly, the black flapper assembly un-clips or un-hooks
from the base piece. I also think that for some of these, the base piece
itself can be replaced by removing 3 screws and clips that hold it in place.

I probably should have just taken the old one to a plumbing supply place,
but, like you, I couldn't figure out how to get the old one off at first.

Here are two links that may give you some ideas:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_236807-143-P...ductId=3375098

Yeah, that's the one I had in mind (not that having it in mind did the
OP any good) I used to wonder why it looked that way.

It looked lie part of a Rube Goldberg machine.


https://www.google.com/search?q=toil...2u9oHDa1cyM%3A



The first link may or may not look like the one you have now. The second
link shows one with the white base ring that the flappers hook on to. The
white base ring is attached to the bottom of the tank with 3 screws and 3
metal clips.



--

Stumpy Strumpet
the bimbus
for dogcatcher