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Water Flow Detector
I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off.
I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul |
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Pavel314 wrote:
I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off. I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul If you are handy, there i a hall sensor with turbine which is used in water softeners. If the water is running the little turbine rotates generating signal... You can se this assembly in an IPB of any demand generating softeners. |
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On 8/27/2015 7:18 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off. I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. I use a pair of precision flow meters to monitor water consumption, here; one for indoor water use (i.e., toilet has a slow leak, washing machine has ruptured a hose, etc.), the other for outdoor (primarily irrigation). The problem is always deciding how *low* of a flow rate you want to sense. E.g., if you've got a garden hose trying to fill your swimming pool, the flow rate (pressure drop) is obviously *considerable*! OTOH, if you've got a trickle of water flowing at the base of a tree (so it has a chance to slowly "sink in"), then the flow rate is considerably lower. [The flow meters that I've found are *really* expensive] Can I suggest a simpler, cheaper solution -- one that probably also gives you the benefit of remembering to turn off the water on those occasions when you *forget*? Use a solenoid operated valve to control the water from the hose bibb. Control the valve with a simple timer. When you want to water, set the timer for, e.g., 30 minutes. If you decide to stop the water before the timer expires, then just shut off the timer when you shut off the water. If you want the water to run for longer, you'll have to extend the time on the timer. If you *forget* to turn off the water, the timer will limit your "exposure". [You can buy timers that screw onto a hose bibb and allow you to attach a garden hose on the "output" of the timer. These can even be programmed to turn the water on for X minutes each day, etc.] I've added 4 hose bibbs around the periphery of the property, here (initially needed to keep the irrigation water from passing through the water softener -- wastes salt *and* bad for the plants!). The water supply line to each valve is gated with a ~$15 electrically operated irrigation valve. When I want/need water, I tell the appropriate valve to turn on, then set the "faucet" to the desired flow rate. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul |
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"Pavel314" wrote in message ... I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off. I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul ---------------------- I have often wondered if there was some site on the web where you could just type in something like "water flow sensor" and have it give you a list of relevant web sites. Has anyone heard of such a thing? |
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On 8/27/2015 9:18 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off. I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul Why don't you just put a water timer on the outdoor faucet so it'll go off automatically? -- Maggie |
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Don Y wrote:
On 8/27/2015 7:18 PM, Pavel314 wrote: I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off. I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. I use a pair of precision flow meters to monitor water consumption, here; one for indoor water use (i.e., toilet has a slow leak, washing machine has ruptured a hose, etc.), the other for outdoor (primarily irrigation). The problem is always deciding how *low* of a flow rate you want to sense. E.g., if you've got a garden hose trying to fill your swimming pool, the flow rate (pressure drop) is obviously *considerable*! OTOH, if you've got a trickle of water flowing at the base of a tree (so it has a chance to slowly "sink in"), then the flow rate is considerably lower. [The flow meters that I've found are *really* expensive] Can I suggest a simpler, cheaper solution -- one that probably also gives you the benefit of remembering to turn off the water on those occasions when you *forget*? Use a solenoid operated valve to control the water from the hose bibb. Control the valve with a simple timer. When you want to water, set the timer for, e.g., 30 minutes. If you decide to stop the water before the timer expires, then just shut off the timer when you shut off the water. If you want the water to run for longer, you'll have to extend the time on the timer. If you *forget* to turn off the water, the timer will limit your "exposure". [You can buy timers that screw onto a hose bibb and allow you to attach a garden hose on the "output" of the timer. These can even be programmed to turn the water on for X minutes each day, etc.] I've added 4 hose bibbs around the periphery of the property, here (initially needed to keep the irrigation water from passing through the water softener -- wastes salt *and* bad for the plants!). The water supply line to each valve is gated with a ~$15 electrically operated irrigation valve. When I want/need water, I tell the appropriate valve to turn on, then set the "faucet" to the desired flow rate. Has anyone heard of such a thing? There is a device called a "flow switch". They do require a certain flow rate to work. |
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On 8/27/2015 10:18 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off. I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul How about a timer? http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 2015-08-27 8:18 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off. I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/G12...sor-p-635.html Have you ever considered a search engine and the words "water flow sensor". |
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On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/27/2015 10:18 PM, Pavel314 wrote: I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off. I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul How about a timer? http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g Great idea! Wish I had thought of that! -- Maggie |
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In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 27 Aug 2015 21:03:59 -0700, "taxed and
spent" wrote: "Pavel314" wrote in message ... I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off. I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul ---------------------- I have often wondered if there was some site on the web where you could just type in something like "water flow sensor" and have it give you a list of relevant web sites. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Don't expect miracles. |
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On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul How about a timer? http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g Great idea! Wish I had thought of that! Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski, I think it was). -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 8/28/2015 1:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul How about a timer? http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g Great idea! Wish I had thought of that! Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski, I think it was). The saying (in differing forms) goes back considerably long before any folks *here* came into existence! Title: The North American review. / Volume 93, Issue 192 Publisher: University of Northern Iowa Publication Date: July 1861 City: Cedar Falls, Iowa, etc. Pages: 612 page images in vol. -- The hands of the motionless clock point right twice in the day. |
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On 8/28/2015 3:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul How about a timer? http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g Great idea! Wish I had thought of that! Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski, I think it was). lol -- Maggie |
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Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 3:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul How about a timer http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g Great idea! Wish I had thought of that! Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski, I think it was). lol My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up. Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read time on analog watch. |
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My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up. Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read time on analog watch. I was at a historical site at the same time a bunch of high school kids were. A girl asked me what time it was. A quarter after eleven meant nothing to her. Eleven fifteen made sense. -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
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On 8/28/2015 7:56 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was at a historical site at the same time a bunch of high school kids were. A girl asked me what time it was. A quarter after eleven meant nothing to her. Eleven fifteen made sense. When she gets *older* and has a harder time resolving those red SQUARE digits (e.g., in bed, without her reading glasses), she may come to learn the value of reading the "angle" of the *hands* on an analog clock! [I spent a good bit of time looking for a large face analog clock for SWMBO so she could tell what time it was without having to turn on the light and put on eyeglasses!] |
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On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 3:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul How about a timer http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g Great idea! Wish I had thought of that! Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski, I think it was). lol My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up. Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read time on analog watch. Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the future, I think. -- Maggie |
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Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote: Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 3:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul How about a timer http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g Great idea! Wish I had thought of that! Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski, I think it was). lol My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up. Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read time on analog watch. Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the future, I think. People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without calcutor. |
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On 8/28/2015 10:56 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
I was at a historical site at the same time a bunch of high school kids were. A girl asked me what time it was. A quarter after eleven meant nothing to her. Eleven fifteen made sense. Did you tell her you'd inform her at the bottom of the hour? -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 8/28/2015 11:16 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote: My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up. Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read time on analog watch. Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the future, I think. Years ago, the original Star Trek had the communicators, flip em open and talk at the device. Now I carry a flip cell phone, and I can flip it open, and talk at the device. Internal speaker is loud enough that I can hear the other person. I keep wanting to say "Scotty; two to engage" With the improving technology, people become reliant, and don't know what to do when things break down. I worry that some day the people who run the country will turn off internet, and we'll all stand around and whine and cry. - .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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On 8/29/2015 1:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without calcutor. I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the change in my head, they use the cash register. Most likely they would be lost without the screen. -- .. Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus .. www.lds.org .. .. |
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With the improving technology, people become reliant, and don't know what to do when things break down. I worry that some day the people who run the country will turn off internet, and we'll all stand around and whine and cry. - . Christopher A. Young learn more about Jesus . www.lds.org . . one day a cyber attack will take the internet off line, and kill our economy. everything is networked even traffic lights, the power grid is controlled by the net. take out the power grid will cause a cascade failure, taking out water plants etc |
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On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 7:37:44 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
With the improving technology, people become reliant, and don't know what to do when things break down. I worry that some day the people who run the country will turn off internet, and we'll all stand around and whine and cry. - . one day a cyberattack will take the internet off line, and kill our economy. everything is networked even traffic lights, the power grid is controlled by the net. take out the power grid will cause a cascade failure, taking out water plants etc I'd be more worried about an EMP attack which could knock out all non-hardened solid state electronic and computer systems. I'm not sure about old tube type gear but about 20 years ago, I spoke with a gal who was a veteran of The Army Signal Corps and she told me that the Army still had some tube type communications equipment because it wasn't affected by EMP. I can see quite a calamity after an EMP knocks out all the AC units and people may have to start talking to each other after their smartphones burn out. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle EMP Monster |
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On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:59:34 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 8/28/2015 10:56 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote: I was at a historical site at the same time a bunch of high school kids were. A girl asked me what time it was. A quarter after eleven meant nothing to her. Eleven fifteen made sense. Did you tell her you'd inform her at the bottom of the hour? Kids just look at this clock and scratch their heads. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/clock.jpg |
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OT - adding without calculator
On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 7:04:34 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/29/2015 1:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote: People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without calcutor. I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the change in my head, they use the cash register. Most likely they would be lost without the screen. -- . You do know that cursive writing is no longer being taught in most government schools? How are those kids going to sign their names? If they get lost on a desert island, they'll stay lost after they scratch "HLP" in the sand. o_O [8~{} Uncle HLPLES Monster |
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On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:02:52 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 8/28/2015 11:16 PM, Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote: My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up. Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read time on analog watch. Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the future, I think. Years ago, the original Star Trek had the communicators, flip em open and talk at the device. Now I carry a flip cell phone, and I can flip it open, and talk at the device. Internal speaker is loud enough that I can hear the other person. I keep wanting to say "Scotty; two to engage" My buddy has a real Dick Tracy 2 way wrist radio (phone) |
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On 8/29/2015 5:04 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/29/2015 1:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote: People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without calcutor. I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the change in my head, they use the cash register. Most likely they would be lost without the screen. I've found that, more often than not, their first instinct is to hand the coins *back* to me. Especially if the tab is $X.17 and you hand them $X.42... all those coins (4 dimes and two pennies) seem like "way too much". *Some* folks will hand me back two dimes (i.e. $X.22 yielding a nickel change) and I'll suggest that I'd prefer to have a quarter as change, instead of a *nickel*. Regardless, when their eyes glaze over, I tell them, "Just type it in and let the MACHINE do your thinking for you..." in a mildly disgusted tone. OTOH, when I encounter someone who actually knows how to count change *back* to me, I make a point of drawing attention to that fact: "Ah, someone who knows how to COUNT CHANGE!!" with a broad smile. |
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On 08/29/2015 08:04 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without calcutor. I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the change in my head, they use the cash register. Most likely they would be lost without the screen. Some twenty years ago in Taiwan we used to go to a supermarket that had fancy electronic cash registers, on top of which were sitting abacuses (abaci?). If anyone disputed the total, they checked it with the abacus. Perce |
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technology changes
On 8/29/2015 7:02 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/28/2015 11:16 PM, Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote: My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up. Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read time on analog watch. Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the future, I think. Years ago, the original Star Trek had the communicators, flip em open and talk at the device. Now I carry a flip cell phone, and I can flip it open, and talk at the device. Internal speaker is loud enough that I can hear the other person. I keep wanting to say "Scotty; two to engage" With the improving technology, people become reliant, and don't know what to do when things break down. I worry that some day the people who run the country will turn off internet, and we'll all stand around and whine and cry. I'd miss the internet mostly because I'd miss interacting with nice people all over the world. After lamenting the people I missed, I'd be in the back yard doing stuff, or otherwise finding things to keep me busy. I wouldn't miss the hackers, crackers, nutcases, pedophiles, or other online criminals who feel it's their goal in life to steal from and/or harass others. -- Maggie |
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OT - adding without calculator
On 8/29/2015 7:04 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/29/2015 1:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote: People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without calcutor. I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the change in my head, they use the cash register. Most likely they would be lost without the screen. I remember learning how to count the change back to people - first the change, and then the dollars. Don't think I ever had a cash register tell me how much change to give back. All that happened after I stopped working those sorts of jobs dealing with cash registers. -- Maggie |
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Water Flow Detector
On 8/29/2015 12:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote: Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 3:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul How about a timer http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g Great idea! Wish I had thought of that! Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski, I think it was). lol My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up. Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read time on analog watch. Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the future, I think. People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without calcutor. That's true, maybe, but I think they're also required to do the calculations on a machine and to do it twice, even. -- Maggie |
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OT - adding without calculator
On 8/29/2015 11:08 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/29/2015 5:04 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 8/29/2015 1:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote: People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without calcutor. I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the change in my head, they use the cash register. Most likely they would be lost without the screen. I've found that, more often than not, their first instinct is to hand the coins *back* to me. Especially if the tab is $X.17 and you hand them $X.42... all those coins (4 dimes and two pennies) seem like "way too much". *Some* folks will hand me back two dimes (i.e. $X.22 yielding a nickel change) and I'll suggest that I'd prefer to have a quarter as change, instead of a *nickel*. Regardless, when their eyes glaze over, I tell them, "Just type it in and let the MACHINE do your thinking for you..." in a mildly disgusted tone. OTOH, when I encounter someone who actually knows how to count change *back* to me, I make a point of drawing attention to that fact: "Ah, someone who knows how to COUNT CHANGE!!" with a broad smile. I think a person has to be at least 45 to remember how to COUNT CHANGE! -- Maggie |
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OT - adding without calculator
On 8/29/2015 9:53 AM, Muggles wrote:
OTOH, when I encounter someone who actually knows how to count change *back* to me, I make a point of drawing attention to that fact: "Ah, someone who knows how to COUNT CHANGE!!" with a broad smile. I think a person has to be at least 45 to remember how to COUNT CHANGE! That may be so. OTOH, it seems like *being* 45 doesn't guarantee they *will* count change! I see just as many older cashiers who hand you a pile of money and a receipt. Or, who count what they have *given* you to ensure it agrees with what the machine claims they should have given you! People no longer seem to have a "feel for numbers". When a friend/neighbor asks me to help one of their kids having trouble with "math", the first thing I do is ask them to "show me 3" -- invariably, they hold up three fingers. "Great, now show me 9" -- again, 9 fingers, but now they're starting to get a bit nervous in anticipation of my *next* request! "OK, show me 27" (Crap! Even if I take off my shoes, I can't get to 27!!) So, their eyes dart around as they try to find "27 of something". I.e., they are *counting* things looking for a total of "27". (Whew! Thank god there were all those books on the shelf!!) When you jump to even bigger numbers is where you start to make your point: "show me 395"; "show me 5,329"; etc. Of course, they soon realize that they can't find 5329 of *anything* and verify that count in the time available. But, neither can *I*! So, they pick something and *reason* that it's "about 5329". Or, "395". Or, "85,032". And, that's the whole point -- to get a *feel* for magnitudes. E.g., "2" is one more than "1". But, it's also TWICE as much! Yet, just a sixth of a dozen, etc. I purchased two IDENTICAL bottles of something some time ago at the grocery store. Each was $9.95. I pulled a $20 and two singles from my wallet in anticipation. And, was amused when the cashier told me it would be 40-something. I have a pat way of handling this situation (it happens often): I pull my cash back to my chest, smile and say, "What's wrong with this picture?". An astute cashier will quickly survey the purchase and the total and catch their mistake (I once was billed JUST $11 for a few pounds of crab meat and super colossal shrimps... celarly WAY undercharged). This one got adamant/defensive and demanded to know what my "problem" was. Still smiling, I picked up one of the bottles: "This is $9.95 -- let's call it $10" and set it aside. Then, reached for the second IDENTICAL bottle: "This, *too*, is $9.95. Let's call *it* $10. $10 plus $10..." and pointed to the $40+ total displayed on the register. Still not catching on, I just said, "could you please void the sale and ring it up, again?" Of course, in that case, *I* would have been out the extra $20 so no skin off the cashier's back (until trying to balance the drawer and wondering why there was "extra" money!). But, what if our roles had been reversed? Her incompetence (at gauging numbers) would have *cost* her $20! How often could she (on her wages) afford to get screwed in that way?? |
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Water Flow Detector
There are many different devices however what you should look for old style
with micro switch Electronic devices are nice but expansive and sophisticated, however any you use plumbing will be needed. Try Liquid flow switch from United Refrigeration (URI.com) #FS4-3 $196.00 in old catalog. "Pavel314" wrote in message ... I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off. I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light. Has anyone heard of such a thing? Paul |
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OT - adding without calculator
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:04:36 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 8/29/2015 1:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote: People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without calcutor. I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the change in my head, they use the cash register. Most likely they would be lost without the screen. Occasionally, I'll goof on a store clerk that is counting money at shift's end. I'll say something like, "25, 26, 32, 47" and so on. They can't concentrate so they have to start over. A few see the humor, but not all of 'em. We had a guy at work, "Shaky Pete", counting inmates one day. He messed the count up three time. When he got to one cell, during the 4:00 PM stand-up count, he saw a prosthetic leg leaning against a wall locker. Three times he lost count. Joe told him to count feet instead. If he got an odd number, add "1" and then divide by two and that would tell him how many inmates were on the tier. LMAO. |
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OT - adding without calculator
On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 11:12:55 AM UTC-5, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 08/29/2015 08:04 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without calcutor. I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the change in my head, they use the cash register. Most likely they would be lost without the screen. Some twenty years ago in Taiwan we used to go to a supermarket that had fancy electronic cash registers, on top of which were sitting abacuses (abaci?). If anyone disputed the total, they checked it with the abacus. Perce I suppose most people don't know the the ancient Chinese invented the first pocket calculator. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Abacus Monster |
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technology changes
On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 11:39:53 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 8/29/2015 7:02 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 8/28/2015 11:16 PM, Muggles wrote: On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote: My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up. Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read time on analog watch. Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the future, I think. Years ago, the original Star Trek had the communicators, flip em open and talk at the device. Now I carry a flip cell phone, and I can flip it open, and talk at the device. Internal speaker is loud enough that I can hear the other person. I keep wanting to say "Scotty; two to engage" With the improving technology, people become reliant, and don't know what to do when things break down. I worry that some day the people who run the country will turn off internet, and we'll all stand around and whine and cry. I'd miss the internet mostly because I'd miss interacting with nice people all over the world. After lamenting the people I missed, I'd be in the back yard doing stuff, or otherwise finding things to keep me busy. I wouldn't miss the hackers, crackers, nutcases, pedophiles, or other online criminals who feel it's their goal in life to steal from and/or harass others. -- Maggie Darn, where would I find my victims if the Internet broke? o_O [8~{} Uncle Monstrous Monster |
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OT - adding without calculator
On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 12:16:57 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
On 8/29/2015 9:53 AM, Muggles wrote: OTOH, when I encounter someone who actually knows how to count change *back* to me, I make a point of drawing attention to that fact: "Ah, someone who knows how to COUNT CHANGE!!" with a broad smile. I think a person has to be at least 45 to remember how to COUNT CHANGE! That may be so. OTOH, it seems like *being* 45 doesn't guarantee they *will* count change! I see just as many older cashiers who hand you a pile of money and a receipt. Or, who count what they have *given* you to ensure it agrees with what the machine claims they should have given you! People no longer seem to have a "feel for numbers". When a friend/neighbor asks me to help one of their kids having trouble with "math", the first thing I do is ask them to "show me 3" -- invariably, they hold up three fingers. "Great, now show me 9" -- again, 9 fingers, but now they're starting to get a bit nervous in anticipation of my *next* request! "OK, show me 27" (Crap! Even if I take off my shoes, I can't get to 27!!) So, their eyes dart around as they try to find "27 of something". I.e., they are *counting* things looking for a total of "27". (Whew! Thank god there were all those books on the shelf!!) When you jump to even bigger numbers is where you start to make your point: "show me 395"; "show me 5,329"; etc. Of course, they soon realize that they can't find 5329 of *anything* and verify that count in the time available. But, neither can *I*! So, they pick something and *reason* that it's "about 5329". Or, "395". Or, "85,032". And, that's the whole point -- to get a *feel* for magnitudes. E.g., "2" is one more than "1". But, it's also TWICE as much! Yet, just a sixth of a dozen, etc. I purchased two IDENTICAL bottles of something some time ago at the grocery store. Each was $9.95. I pulled a $20 and two singles from my wallet in anticipation. And, was amused when the cashier told me it would be 40-something. I have a pat way of handling this situation (it happens often): I pull my cash back to my chest, smile and say, "What's wrong with this picture?". An astute cashier will quickly survey the purchase and the total and catch their mistake (I once was billed JUST $11 for a few pounds of crab meat and super colossal shrimps... celarly WAY undercharged). This one got adamant/defensive and demanded to know what my "problem" was. Still smiling, I picked up one of the bottles: "This is $9.95 -- let's call it $10" and set it aside. Then, reached for the second IDENTICAL bottle: "This, *too*, is $9.95. Let's call *it* $10. $10 plus $10..." and pointed to the $40+ total displayed on the register. Still not catching on, I just said, "could you please void the sale and ring it up, again?" Of course, in that case, *I* would have been out the extra $20 so no skin off the cashier's back (until trying to balance the drawer and wondering why there was "extra" money!). But, what if our roles had been reversed? Her incompetence (at gauging numbers) would have *cost* her $20! How often could she (on her wages) afford to get screwed in that way?? I've been given too much money at the bank drive through and returned it. I have people ask me why I gave the excess back? My answer is because IT'S NOT MINE. I had a crotchety old feller tell me about the time he was given too much money at the bank drive through and when the teller told him to please move on because there were other people in line, he said OK and drove off with the extra money. The extra money he would have returned if the teller hadn't been curt with him. ^_^ [8~{} Uncle Bank Monster |
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analog versus digital time
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 10:50:49 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:59:34 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 8/28/2015 10:56 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote: I was at a historical site at the same time a bunch of high school kids were. A girl asked me what time it was. A quarter after eleven meant nothing to her. Eleven fifteen made sense. Did you tell her you'd inform her at the bottom of the hour? Kids just look at this clock and scratch their heads. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/clock.jpg I have one, made from a cypress knee, coated with urethane resin and it has Roman numerals. It must be ~50 years old. Using a AA battery G |
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