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I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off.

I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

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I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off.

I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul

If you are handy, there i a hall sensor with turbine which is used in
water softeners. If the water is running the little turbine rotates
generating signal... You can se this assembly in an IPB of any demand
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On 8/27/2015 7:18 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed
that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if
she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and
turned it off.

I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing
from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water
were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose
connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in
the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.


I use a pair of precision flow meters to monitor water consumption, here;
one for indoor water use (i.e., toilet has a slow leak, washing machine
has ruptured a hose, etc.), the other for outdoor (primarily irrigation).

The problem is always deciding how *low* of a flow rate you want to sense.
E.g., if you've got a garden hose trying to fill your swimming pool, the
flow rate (pressure drop) is obviously *considerable*! OTOH, if you've
got a trickle of water flowing at the base of a tree (so it has a chance
to slowly "sink in"), then the flow rate is considerably lower.

[The flow meters that I've found are *really* expensive]

Can I suggest a simpler, cheaper solution -- one that probably also
gives you the benefit of remembering to turn off the water on those
occasions when you *forget*?

Use a solenoid operated valve to control the water from the hose bibb.
Control the valve with a simple timer. When you want to water, set
the timer for, e.g., 30 minutes. If you decide to stop the water
before the timer expires, then just shut off the timer when you shut
off the water. If you want the water to run for longer, you'll have
to extend the time on the timer. If you *forget* to turn off the
water, the timer will limit your "exposure".

[You can buy timers that screw onto a hose bibb and allow you to
attach a garden hose on the "output" of the timer. These can even
be programmed to turn the water on for X minutes each day, etc.]

I've added 4 hose bibbs around the periphery of the property, here
(initially needed to keep the irrigation water from passing through
the water softener -- wastes salt *and* bad for the plants!). The
water supply line to each valve is gated with a ~$15 electrically
operated irrigation valve. When I want/need water, I tell the
appropriate valve to turn on, then set the "faucet" to the desired
flow rate.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul


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I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed
that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if
she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and
turned it off.

I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing
from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water
were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose
connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in
the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul

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I have often wondered if there was some site on the web where you could just
type in something like "water flow sensor" and have it give you a list of
relevant web sites.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?


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On 8/27/2015 9:18 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off.

I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul


Why don't you just put a water timer on the outdoor faucet so it'll go
off automatically?

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On 8/27/2015 7:18 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and
noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I
asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had,
so she went out and turned it off.

I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water
flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the
house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the
faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water
would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on
the light.


I use a pair of precision flow meters to monitor water consumption,
here; one for indoor water use (i.e., toilet has a slow leak, washing
machine has ruptured a hose, etc.), the other for outdoor (primarily
irrigation).
The problem is always deciding how *low* of a flow rate you want to
sense. E.g., if you've got a garden hose trying to fill your swimming
pool, the flow rate (pressure drop) is obviously *considerable*! OTOH, if
you've got a trickle of water flowing at the base of a tree
(so it has a chance to slowly "sink in"), then the flow rate is
considerably lower.
[The flow meters that I've found are *really* expensive]

Can I suggest a simpler, cheaper solution -- one that probably also
gives you the benefit of remembering to turn off the water on those
occasions when you *forget*?

Use a solenoid operated valve to control the water from the hose bibb.
Control the valve with a simple timer. When you want to water, set
the timer for, e.g., 30 minutes. If you decide to stop the water
before the timer expires, then just shut off the timer when you shut
off the water. If you want the water to run for longer, you'll have
to extend the time on the timer. If you *forget* to turn off the
water, the timer will limit your "exposure".

[You can buy timers that screw onto a hose bibb and allow you to
attach a garden hose on the "output" of the timer. These can even
be programmed to turn the water on for X minutes each day, etc.]

I've added 4 hose bibbs around the periphery of the property, here
(initially needed to keep the irrigation water from passing through
the water softener -- wastes salt *and* bad for the plants!). The
water supply line to each valve is gated with a ~$15 electrically
operated irrigation valve. When I want/need water, I tell the
appropriate valve to turn on, then set the "faucet" to the desired
flow rate.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?


There is a device called a "flow switch". They do require a certain flow rate to
work.


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On 8/27/2015 10:18 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off.

I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul


How about a timer?

http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g

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On 2015-08-27 8:18 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and turned it off.

I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul


http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/G12...sor-p-635.html

Have you ever considered a search engine and the words "water flow sensor".


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On 8/27/2015 10:18 PM, Pavel314 wrote:
I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and
noticed that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I
asked my wife if she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had,
so she went out and turned it off.

I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water
flowing from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house
if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet
with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would
lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul


How about a timer?

http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g


Great idea! Wish I had thought of that!


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"Pavel314" wrote in message
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I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed
that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if
she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and
turned it off.

I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing
from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water
were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose
connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in
the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul

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I have often wondered if there was some site on the web where you could just
type in something like "water flow sensor" and have it give you a list of
relevant web sites.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Don't expect miracles.


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On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet
with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would
lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul


How about a timer?

http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g


Great idea! Wish I had thought of that!


Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now
days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they
just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski,
I think it was).

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On 8/28/2015 1:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet
with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would
lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul


How about a timer?

http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g


Great idea! Wish I had thought of that!


Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now
days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they
just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski,
I think it was).


The saying (in differing forms) goes back considerably long before any
folks *here* came into existence!

Title: The North American review. / Volume 93, Issue 192
Publisher: University of Northern Iowa Publication Date: July 1861
City: Cedar Falls, Iowa, etc. Pages: 612 page images in vol.

-- The hands of the motionless clock point right twice in the day.

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On 8/28/2015 3:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet
with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would
lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul


How about a timer?

http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g


Great idea! Wish I had thought of that!


Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now
days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they
just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski,
I think it was).


lol
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Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 3:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet
with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would
lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul


How about a timer
http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g


Great idea! Wish I had thought of that!


Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now
days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they
just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski,
I think it was).


lol

My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up.
Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting
weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time
keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing
stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear
Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read
time on analog watch.
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My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up.
Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting
weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time
keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing
stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear
Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read
time on analog watch.



I was at a historical site at the same time a bunch of high school
kids were. A girl asked me what time it was. A quarter after eleven
meant nothing to her. Eleven fifteen made sense.

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I was at a historical site at the same time a bunch of high school
kids were. A girl asked me what time it was. A quarter after eleven
meant nothing to her. Eleven fifteen made sense.


When she gets *older* and has a harder time resolving those red SQUARE
digits (e.g., in bed, without her reading glasses), she may come to learn
the value of reading the "angle" of the *hands* on an analog clock!

[I spent a good bit of time looking for a large face analog clock
for SWMBO so she could tell what time it was without having to
turn on the light and put on eyeglasses!]


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On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 3:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet
with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would
lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the
light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul


How about a timer
http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g



Great idea! Wish I had thought of that!


Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now
days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they
just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski,
I think it was).


lol

My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up.
Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting
weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time
keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing
stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear
Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read
time on analog watch.


Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I
was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the
future, I think.

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Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 3:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet
with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would
lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the
light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul


How about a timer
http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g



Great idea! Wish I had thought of that!


Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now
days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they
just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski,
I think it was).


lol

My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up.
Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting
weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time
keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing
stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear
Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read
time on analog watch.


Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I
was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the
future, I think.

People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a
bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without
calcutor.
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I was at a historical site at the same time a bunch of high school
kids were. A girl asked me what time it was. A quarter after eleven
meant nothing to her. Eleven fifteen made sense.


Did you tell her you'd inform her at the
bottom of the hour?

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On 8/28/2015 11:16 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up.
Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting
weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time
keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing
stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear
Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read
time on analog watch.


Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I
was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the
future, I think.


Years ago, the original Star Trek had the communicators,
flip em open and talk at the device.

Now I carry a flip cell phone, and I can flip it open,
and talk at the device. Internal speaker is loud enough
that I can hear the other person. I keep wanting to say
"Scotty; two to engage"

With the improving technology, people become reliant,
and don't know what to do when things break down.
I worry that some day the people who run the country
will turn off internet, and we'll all stand around and
whine and cry.

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On 8/29/2015 1:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:

People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a
bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without
calcutor.


I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some
coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the
change in my head, they use the cash register.

Most likely they would be lost without the screen.

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With the improving technology, people become reliant,
and don't know what to do when things break down.
I worry that some day the people who run the country
will turn off internet, and we'll all stand around and
whine and cry.

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one day a cyber attack will take the internet off line, and kill our economy.

everything is networked even traffic lights, the power grid is controlled by the net. take out the power grid will cause a cascade failure, taking out water plants etc
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On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 7:37:44 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:

With the improving technology, people become reliant,
and don't know what to do when things break down.
I worry that some day the people who run the country
will turn off internet, and we'll all stand around and
whine and cry.
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one day a cyberattack will take the internet off line, and kill our economy.

everything is networked even traffic lights, the power grid is controlled by the net. take out the power grid will cause a cascade failure, taking out water plants etc



I'd be more worried about an EMP attack which could knock out all non-hardened solid state electronic and computer systems. I'm not sure about old tube type gear but about 20 years ago, I spoke with a gal who was a veteran of The Army Signal Corps and she told me that the Army still had some tube type communications equipment because it wasn't affected by EMP. I can see quite a calamity after an EMP knocks out all the AC units and people may have to start talking to each other after their smartphones burn out. ^_^

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On 8/28/2015 10:56 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:


I was at a historical site at the same time a bunch of high school
kids were. A girl asked me what time it was. A quarter after eleven
meant nothing to her. Eleven fifteen made sense.


Did you tell her you'd inform her at the
bottom of the hour?


Kids just look at this clock and scratch their heads.

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On 8/29/2015 1:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:

People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a
bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without
calcutor.


I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some
coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the
change in my head, they use the cash register.

Most likely they would be lost without the screen.
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You do know that cursive writing is no longer being taught in most government schools? How are those kids going to sign their names? If they get lost on a desert island, they'll stay lost after they scratch "HLP" in the sand. o_O

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On 8/28/2015 11:16 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up.
Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting
weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time
keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing
stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear
Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read
time on analog watch.


Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I
was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the
future, I think.


Years ago, the original Star Trek had the communicators,
flip em open and talk at the device.

Now I carry a flip cell phone, and I can flip it open,
and talk at the device. Internal speaker is loud enough
that I can hear the other person. I keep wanting to say
"Scotty; two to engage"


My buddy has a real Dick Tracy 2 way wrist radio (phone)
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On 8/29/2015 7:50 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 07:59:34 -0400, Stormin Mormon
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On 8/28/2015 10:56 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:


I was at a historical site at the same time a bunch of high school
kids were. A girl asked me what time it was. A quarter after eleven
meant nothing to her. Eleven fifteen made sense.


Did you tell her you'd inform her at the
bottom of the hour?


Kids just look at this clock and scratch their heads.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/clock.jpg

In the 70's, I built a "digital analog clock" as a gift for
my in-laws. A friend tried to get me to manufacture them:
"No! Then it wouldn't be unique!".

Some years later, he purchased this for me:
http://orbichronics.com/CoverOrbCropped.jpg
I suspect largely as an "I told you so".

[I enjoy designing/building clocks as gifts. My favorite was
a clock that "displayed" the time in Braille, using LEDs for
each dot position in the 6-dot Braille cell. The humor, of
course, lies in the fact that the folks most likely to
understand what it even *is* are folks who are blind -- to
most folks it just looks like an odd collection of blinking
lights! Yet, those blind folks would typically NOT be able
to SEE the LED lights! :-/ ]
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On 8/29/2015 5:04 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/29/2015 1:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:

People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a
bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without
calcutor.


I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some
coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the
change in my head, they use the cash register.

Most likely they would be lost without the screen.


I've found that, more often than not, their first instinct
is to hand the coins *back* to me. Especially if the tab is
$X.17 and you hand them $X.42... all those coins (4 dimes and
two pennies) seem like "way too much".

*Some* folks will hand me back two dimes (i.e. $X.22 yielding a
nickel change) and I'll suggest that I'd prefer to have a quarter
as change, instead of a *nickel*.

Regardless, when their eyes glaze over, I tell them, "Just type
it in and let the MACHINE do your thinking for you..." in a
mildly disgusted tone.

OTOH, when I encounter someone who actually knows how to
count change *back* to me, I make a point of drawing attention
to that fact: "Ah, someone who knows how to COUNT CHANGE!!"
with a broad smile.


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On 08/29/2015 08:04 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a
bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without
calcutor.


I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some
coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the
change in my head, they use the cash register.

Most likely they would be lost without the screen.


Some twenty years ago in Taiwan we used to go to a supermarket that had
fancy electronic cash registers, on top of which were sitting abacuses
(abaci?). If anyone disputed the total, they checked it with the abacus.

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On 8/29/2015 7:02 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/28/2015 11:16 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up.
Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting
weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time
keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing
stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear
Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read
time on analog watch.


Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I
was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the
future, I think.


Years ago, the original Star Trek had the communicators,
flip em open and talk at the device.

Now I carry a flip cell phone, and I can flip it open,
and talk at the device. Internal speaker is loud enough
that I can hear the other person. I keep wanting to say
"Scotty; two to engage"

With the improving technology, people become reliant,
and don't know what to do when things break down.
I worry that some day the people who run the country
will turn off internet, and we'll all stand around and
whine and cry.


I'd miss the internet mostly because I'd miss interacting with nice
people all over the world. After lamenting the people I missed, I'd be
in the back yard doing stuff, or otherwise finding things to keep me
busy.

I wouldn't miss the hackers, crackers, nutcases, pedophiles, or other
online criminals who feel it's their goal in life to steal from and/or
harass others.


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On 8/29/2015 7:04 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/29/2015 1:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:

People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a
bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without
calcutor.


I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some
coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the
change in my head, they use the cash register.

Most likely they would be lost without the screen.


I remember learning how to count the change back to people - first the
change, and then the dollars. Don't think I ever had a cash register
tell me how much change to give back. All that happened after I stopped
working those sorts of jobs dealing with cash registers.

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On 8/29/2015 12:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 3:46 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/28/2015 12:40 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 8:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
if the water were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the
faucet
with the hose connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would
lower the pressure in the line and flip a switch to turn on the
light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

Paul


How about a timer
http://www.homedepot.com/b/Outdoors-...s/N-5yc1vZc63g




Great idea! Wish I had thought of that!


Used to be a stopped clock was right twice a day. Now
days you mention stopped clocks to kids, and they
just stand there and blink (credit to Ed Pawlowski,
I think it was).


lol

My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up.
Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting
weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time
keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing
stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear
Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read
time on analog watch.


Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I
was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the
future, I think.

People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a
bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without
calcutor.


That's true, maybe, but I think they're also required to do the
calculations on a machine and to do it twice, even.

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On 8/29/2015 11:08 AM, Don Y wrote:
On 8/29/2015 5:04 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/29/2015 1:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:

People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a
bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without
calcutor.


I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some
coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the
change in my head, they use the cash register.

Most likely they would be lost without the screen.


I've found that, more often than not, their first instinct
is to hand the coins *back* to me. Especially if the tab is
$X.17 and you hand them $X.42... all those coins (4 dimes and
two pennies) seem like "way too much".

*Some* folks will hand me back two dimes (i.e. $X.22 yielding a
nickel change) and I'll suggest that I'd prefer to have a quarter
as change, instead of a *nickel*.

Regardless, when their eyes glaze over, I tell them, "Just type
it in and let the MACHINE do your thinking for you..." in a
mildly disgusted tone.

OTOH, when I encounter someone who actually knows how to
count change *back* to me, I make a point of drawing attention
to that fact: "Ah, someone who knows how to COUNT CHANGE!!"
with a broad smile.



I think a person has to be at least 45 to remember how to COUNT CHANGE!

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On 8/29/2015 9:53 AM, Muggles wrote:

OTOH, when I encounter someone who actually knows how to
count change *back* to me, I make a point of drawing attention
to that fact: "Ah, someone who knows how to COUNT CHANGE!!"
with a broad smile.


I think a person has to be at least 45 to remember how to COUNT CHANGE!


That may be so. OTOH, it seems like *being* 45 doesn't guarantee
they *will* count change! I see just as many older cashiers who
hand you a pile of money and a receipt. Or, who count what they
have *given* you to ensure it agrees with what the machine
claims they should have given you!

People no longer seem to have a "feel for numbers". When a friend/neighbor
asks me to help one of their kids having trouble with "math", the first
thing I do is ask them to "show me 3" -- invariably, they hold up three
fingers. "Great, now show me 9" -- again, 9 fingers, but now they're
starting to get a bit nervous in anticipation of my *next* request!

"OK, show me 27" (Crap! Even if I take off my shoes, I can't get to 27!!)

So, their eyes dart around as they try to find "27 of something". I.e.,
they are *counting* things looking for a total of "27". (Whew! Thank
god there were all those books on the shelf!!)

When you jump to even bigger numbers is where you start to make your
point: "show me 395"; "show me 5,329"; etc. Of course, they soon
realize that they can't find 5329 of *anything* and verify that count
in the time available. But, neither can *I*! So, they pick something
and *reason* that it's "about 5329". Or, "395". Or, "85,032".

And, that's the whole point -- to get a *feel* for magnitudes. E.g.,
"2" is one more than "1". But, it's also TWICE as much! Yet, just a
sixth of a dozen, etc.

I purchased two IDENTICAL bottles of something some time ago at the
grocery store. Each was $9.95. I pulled a $20 and two singles from my
wallet in anticipation. And, was amused when the cashier told me it
would be 40-something.

I have a pat way of handling this situation (it happens often): I
pull my cash back to my chest, smile and say, "What's wrong with
this picture?". An astute cashier will quickly survey the purchase
and the total and catch their mistake (I once was billed JUST
$11 for a few pounds of crab meat and super colossal shrimps...
celarly WAY undercharged).

This one got adamant/defensive and demanded to know what my "problem"
was.

Still smiling, I picked up one of the bottles: "This is $9.95 -- let's
call it $10" and set it aside. Then, reached for the second IDENTICAL
bottle: "This, *too*, is $9.95. Let's call *it* $10. $10 plus $10..."
and pointed to the $40+ total displayed on the register.

Still not catching on, I just said, "could you please void the sale and
ring it up, again?"

Of course, in that case, *I* would have been out the extra $20 so no
skin off the cashier's back (until trying to balance the drawer and
wondering why there was "extra" money!).

But, what if our roles had been reversed? Her incompetence (at
gauging numbers) would have *cost* her $20! How often could she
(on her wages) afford to get screwed in that way??
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There are many different devices however what you should look for old style
with micro switch
Electronic devices are nice but expansive and sophisticated, however any you
use plumbing will be needed.
Try Liquid flow switch from United Refrigeration (URI.com) #FS4-3 $196.00 in
old catalog.

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I was down in the basement watering the mushrooms this evening and noticed
that the water pressure (we're on a well) was a bit low. I asked my wife if
she'd left the sprinkler on the garden and she had, so she went out and
turned it off.

I wondered if there was some sort of device that would detect water flowing
from the outside faucet and light a warning light in the house if the water
were left on. Maybe something that fits onto the faucet with the hose
connecting to the detector gizmo. Flowing water would lower the pressure in
the line and flip a switch to turn on the light.

Has anyone heard of such a thing?

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On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:04:36 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 8/29/2015 1:14 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:

People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a
bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without
calcutor.


I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some
coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the
change in my head, they use the cash register.

Most likely they would be lost without the screen.


Occasionally, I'll goof on a store clerk that is counting money at
shift's end. I'll say something like, "25, 26, 32, 47" and so on.
They can't concentrate so they have to start over. A few see the
humor, but not all of 'em.

We had a guy at work, "Shaky Pete", counting inmates one day. He
messed the count up three time. When he got to one cell, during the
4:00 PM stand-up count, he saw a prosthetic leg leaning against a wall
locker. Three times he lost count.

Joe told him to count feet instead. If he got an odd number, add "1"
and then divide by two and that would tell him how many inmates were
on the tier. LMAO.
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On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 11:12:55 AM UTC-5, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 08/29/2015 08:04 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

People are getting dumber, robots are getting smarter I think. Go to a
bank and see young tellers can't even add two simple numbers without
calcutor.


I like to hand the clerks paper money plus some
coins. Make their lives easier. I calculate the
change in my head, they use the cash register.

Most likely they would be lost without the screen.


Some twenty years ago in Taiwan we used to go to a supermarket that had
fancy electronic cash registers, on top of which were sitting abacuses
(abaci?). If anyone disputed the total, they checked it with the abacus.

Perce


I suppose most people don't know the the ancient Chinese invented the first pocket calculator. ^_^

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On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 11:39:53 AM UTC-5, Muggles wrote:
On 8/29/2015 7:02 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 8/28/2015 11:16 PM, Muggles wrote:
On 8/28/2015 9:44 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
My every day utility watch is Solar powered with battery back up.
Charger works even under candle light. If and when power is getting
weak it goes into hibernation turning off all functions except time
keeping. Radio controlled any where in the world. I never saw this thing
stopped yet. Navy SEAL was issued Rolex submarine but now they wear
Casio G-shock I heard. May be today's kids will have hard time to read
time on analog watch.

Things have changed so much just since I got married let alone since I
was a child. The sky's the limit for what might be a possibility in the
future, I think.


Years ago, the original Star Trek had the communicators,
flip em open and talk at the device.

Now I carry a flip cell phone, and I can flip it open,
and talk at the device. Internal speaker is loud enough
that I can hear the other person. I keep wanting to say
"Scotty; two to engage"

With the improving technology, people become reliant,
and don't know what to do when things break down.
I worry that some day the people who run the country
will turn off internet, and we'll all stand around and
whine and cry.


I'd miss the internet mostly because I'd miss interacting with nice
people all over the world. After lamenting the people I missed, I'd be
in the back yard doing stuff, or otherwise finding things to keep me
busy.

I wouldn't miss the hackers, crackers, nutcases, pedophiles, or other
online criminals who feel it's their goal in life to steal from and/or
harass others.
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Darn, where would I find my victims if the Internet broke? o_O

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On Saturday, August 29, 2015 at 12:16:57 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
On 8/29/2015 9:53 AM, Muggles wrote:

OTOH, when I encounter someone who actually knows how to
count change *back* to me, I make a point of drawing attention
to that fact: "Ah, someone who knows how to COUNT CHANGE!!"
with a broad smile.


I think a person has to be at least 45 to remember how to COUNT CHANGE!


That may be so. OTOH, it seems like *being* 45 doesn't guarantee
they *will* count change! I see just as many older cashiers who
hand you a pile of money and a receipt. Or, who count what they
have *given* you to ensure it agrees with what the machine
claims they should have given you!

People no longer seem to have a "feel for numbers". When a friend/neighbor
asks me to help one of their kids having trouble with "math", the first
thing I do is ask them to "show me 3" -- invariably, they hold up three
fingers. "Great, now show me 9" -- again, 9 fingers, but now they're
starting to get a bit nervous in anticipation of my *next* request!

"OK, show me 27" (Crap! Even if I take off my shoes, I can't get to 27!!)

So, their eyes dart around as they try to find "27 of something". I.e.,
they are *counting* things looking for a total of "27". (Whew! Thank
god there were all those books on the shelf!!)

When you jump to even bigger numbers is where you start to make your
point: "show me 395"; "show me 5,329"; etc. Of course, they soon
realize that they can't find 5329 of *anything* and verify that count
in the time available. But, neither can *I*! So, they pick something
and *reason* that it's "about 5329". Or, "395". Or, "85,032".

And, that's the whole point -- to get a *feel* for magnitudes. E.g.,
"2" is one more than "1". But, it's also TWICE as much! Yet, just a
sixth of a dozen, etc.

I purchased two IDENTICAL bottles of something some time ago at the
grocery store. Each was $9.95. I pulled a $20 and two singles from my
wallet in anticipation. And, was amused when the cashier told me it
would be 40-something.

I have a pat way of handling this situation (it happens often): I
pull my cash back to my chest, smile and say, "What's wrong with
this picture?". An astute cashier will quickly survey the purchase
and the total and catch their mistake (I once was billed JUST
$11 for a few pounds of crab meat and super colossal shrimps...
celarly WAY undercharged).

This one got adamant/defensive and demanded to know what my "problem"
was.

Still smiling, I picked up one of the bottles: "This is $9.95 -- let's
call it $10" and set it aside. Then, reached for the second IDENTICAL
bottle: "This, *too*, is $9.95. Let's call *it* $10. $10 plus $10..."
and pointed to the $40+ total displayed on the register.

Still not catching on, I just said, "could you please void the sale and
ring it up, again?"

Of course, in that case, *I* would have been out the extra $20 so no
skin off the cashier's back (until trying to balance the drawer and
wondering why there was "extra" money!).

But, what if our roles had been reversed? Her incompetence (at
gauging numbers) would have *cost* her $20! How often could she
(on her wages) afford to get screwed in that way??


I've been given too much money at the bank drive through and returned it. I have people ask me why I gave the excess back? My answer is because IT'S NOT MINE. I had a crotchety old feller tell me about the time he was given too much money at the bank drive through and when the teller told him to please move on because there were other people in line, he said OK and drove off with the extra money. The extra money he would have returned if the teller hadn't been curt with him. ^_^

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