On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 3:47:37 PM UTC-5, Marvel wrote:
http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-c...entist-at-mit/

Which has exactly what to do with GMO and Monsanto?
Good grief. We already have measles breaking out, putting
them in the hospital, threatening their lives, because hippie
parents don't want to get the kids vaccinated because they
think vaccination causes autism. Never mind that the bogus study
done a couple decades ago has been thoroughly discredited and
that a dozen extensive real studies have shown no linkage.

On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:53:14 -0800, T wrote:

On 02/14/2015 03:40 AM, Shadow wrote:
You were babbling from the beginning. I suggest you read up DM
II. From a real source. Vanadyl Sulfate is a fad.

Hi Shadow,

Where did you get that? I would seriously like to know.

There is solid research that it works. It also
worked on me. I researched it throughly before
I start using it. I am a big believer in the
scientific method.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24842144

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25215302

"VOSO4 treatment normalized plasma glucose and insulin
levels and improved insulin sensitivity in
STZ-experimental diabetes and induced beta cells
proliferation and/or regeneration in normal or diabetic
rats.

Hmmmm. The effect lasts after the treatment is discontinued.
Something that heals, not just an endless treatment.

If you have T2 Diabetes, it won't hurt you to try it. There
are no side effects. It takes about a months to see a result.
Bear in mind you have to remove the insult and get you
carbs down for it to work.

If you do that, you will heal anyway. Look up evidence-based
medicine, it's what most (serious) doctors use now.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 02/14/2015 02:45 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:53:14 -0800, T wrote:

On 02/14/2015 03:40 AM, Shadow wrote:
You were babbling from the beginning. I suggest you read up DM
II. From a real source. Vanadyl Sulfate is a fad.

Hi Shadow,

Where did you get that? I would seriously like to know.

There is solid research that it works. It also
worked on me. I researched it throughly before
I start using it. I am a big believer in the
scientific method.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24842144

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25215302

"VOSO4 treatment normalized plasma glucose and insulin
levels and improved insulin sensitivity in
STZ-experimental diabetes and induced beta cells
proliferation and/or regeneration in normal or diabetic
rats.

Hmmmm. The effect lasts after the treatment is discontinued.
Something that heals, not just an endless treatment.

If you have T2 Diabetes, it won't hurt you to try it. There
are no side effects. It takes about a months to see a result.
Bear in mind you have to remove the insult and get you
carbs down for it to work.

If you do that, you will heal anyway.

Hi Shadow,

True, but a lot slower. Vanadium got my numbers
back down after this historic allergy season.

Look up evidence-based
medicine, it's what most (serious) doctors use now.

I my experience, Allopaths use Self Interest first and then
the Scientific Method, even the "serious" ones. I wonder
how many of those "serious" Allopaths still prescribe
Statins, Acid Blockers, Flu Shots, Rat Poison. Oh
did I mention Antibiotics for viruses?

By the way, a "serious" Allopath told me my beta cells
were just gone and there was nothing that could be done
about it. And they either did not know (in which case
they should not have charged or me) or they withheld
information about Vanadium from me. I don't trust
them (Allopaths) as far as I can spit anymore.

-T

On 02/14/2015 05:00 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/13/2015 9:05 PM, T wrote:
As I said, the institutions your are suppose to trust.
They all get rich and the public suffers.

I hope this is what you were after as I am now babbling.

-T

I am now drug free and completely under control for over
a year now. Those a-- holes!


One fellow I consider a friend, don't see him often. Swears
that the doctors killed his Dad. One pill, and then another
pill for the side effects of the first pill, and so it goes.
Finally, he's got so much chemicals in him.

My soap box issues is ingrown toe nails. I gave myself the
problem, the doctors made it worse. About two grand later
(this in 1995 to 2000 dollars) I got my first computer.
One evening I looked up ingrown toe nails. Find out I did
it to myself, and the doctors made it worse. They get
paid for surgery. If they would have told me, I'd stop
being thier cash cow. Mooo!

Hi Stormin',

I can not tell you how many times I have heard the same
story over and over.

By the way, interesting your "Cash Cow" analysis. I
refer to T2 Diabetes as "Cash Cow Disease"!

-T

On 2/14/2015 6:21 PM, T wrote:
I my experience, Allopaths use Self Interest first and then
the Scientific Method, even the "serious" ones. I wonder
how many of those "serious" Allopaths still prescribe
Statins, Acid Blockers, Flu Shots, Rat Poison. Oh
did I mention Antibiotics for viruses?

By the way, a "serious" Allopath told me my beta cells
were just gone and there was nothing that could be done
about it. And they either did not know (in which case
they should not have charged or me) or they withheld
information about Vanadium from me. I don't trust
them (Allopaths) as far as I can spit anymore.

-T


Lucky me, never been to an allopath. I have
enough medical care with my regular MD, the
dentist I see, and the occasional specialist
at the hospital. Now, I know to avoid
allopaths.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 02/14/2015 03:40 AM, Shadow wrote:
Which is what real doctors aim for. Like I said, read it up.
Bush put big pharma in charge of the FDA, yes.

Hi Shadow,

I remember that. At the time I supported it. My reasoning
was that "why not make those that use the service pay for it".
Sort of like the Gas Tax: those who use the roads more and have
heavier vehicles to wear out the roads faster buy more
gasoline, so they pay more to maintain the roads.

What was I thinking! It never occurred that those who did
the funding would influence the system. Which brings me
back to trusting your institutions. I did back then.

And it is not that the FDA only allows dangerous drugs on the
market, they also block harmless ones from being sold over the
counter. Elocon (Mometasone) comes to mind. It is called out
for use on infants for goodness sakes.

Why independent trials
like ALHAT for hipertention are so important.

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/allhat/qckref.htm

Great study. The Scientific Method, finally! I have only
skimmed it so far. When I get more time I will read it
over more carefully.

Be careful of Pub Med too. Look for the source of their funding
when they present a study. Apply enough money and you can
make a study say WHATEVER YOU WANT. (Back to not trusting your
institutions again.)

There is a big study out there on Diabetes and Water soluble
cinnamon extract. Shows great results. Problem: it is
industry funded and it is absolute s---.

I'd check if you were really diabetic in the first place.

Oh I really, really am. A plate of *Fad Diet* food (Healthy Carbs)
put me in the ER. Everyone thought I was having heart problems.
My blood glucose was 398 mg/dL. I was hyperventilating my
ass off (diabetic keytoacidosis). It should have been between
100 and 140 depending on when I last ate. I was starving to death
with a belly full of HA HA "Healthy Carbs". I had even
gone through the unexplained weight gain and then the unexplained
weight loss. (It did not help that my idiot friends told me how
good I looked as I lost the weight.)

I had the devil of a time getting my numbers down, until I
found out how from FROM THE INTERNET! Guess the truth
didn't make Allopaths enough money!

And I watch my numbers. That being said, your advice is stellar.
ALWAYS verify what an Allopath tells you. DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT
take their word for it! And for goodness sakes, expect your
body to be treated by the medical community AT LEAST as good
as your mechanic treats your car!

-T

On 2/14/2015 6:23 PM, T wrote:
On 02/14/2015 05:00 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
One fellow I consider a friend, don't see him often. Swears
that the doctors killed his Dad. One pill, and then another
pill for the side effects of the first pill, and so it goes.
Finally, he's got so much chemicals in him.


Hi Stormin',

I can not tell you how many times I have heard the same
story over and over.

By the way, interesting your "Cash Cow" analysis. I
refer to T2 Diabetes as "Cash Cow Disease"!

-T


Years ago, a friend of mine described what he
calls vertical thinking versus horizontal thinking.
In the case of vertical thinking, if it's not
working, do the same thing but HARDER.

In the case of horizontal thinking, if it's not
working, try some thing different.

If the pill isn't making him better, try another
pill, or a stronger dose.

Second example was the time when my answering
service was trying to get a hold of me. Evie
(my vertical thinking person) dialed my pager.
Few minutes later, I had not answered, so she
dialed my pager again. Had her husband and
daughters dialing my pager. Vertical thinking.
If it's not working, do it harder. have other
people dial my pager, also.

Horizontal thinking is "if it's not working,
try some thing else". In this case, that would
be to dial one of the other two numbers on the
Rolodex. As it happened, I was watching TV,
sitting about a foot away from my land phone,
and would have answered on the first ring.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 02/14/2015 03:45 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Lucky me, never been to an allopath. I have
enough medical care with my regular MD, the
dentist I see, and the occasional specialist
at the hospital. Now, I know to avoid
allopaths.

Hi Stormin',

When someone has the title "Doctor", it means they
have a "Doctor's Degree" from an educational institution.
I have worked with a lot of Doctors of Physics,
electronics, biochemistry, etc.. For instance,
Chiropractors are Doctors, but they are not
Medical Doctors.

When I say "Allopath" I am specifically referring
to the medical field that "regular MD's" belong.
So, yes, you have been to one.

Here is a good article on what an Allopath is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allopathic_medicine

And I am not saying to never use them, I am say to
be very careful of them. Allopaths have saved my
life now three times

-T

On 02/14/2015 03:52 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/14/2015 6:23 PM, T wrote:
On 02/14/2015 05:00 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
One fellow I consider a friend, don't see him often. Swears
that the doctors killed his Dad. One pill, and then another
pill for the side effects of the first pill, and so it goes.
Finally, he's got so much chemicals in him.


Hi Stormin',

I can not tell you how many times I have heard the same
story over and over.

By the way, interesting your "Cash Cow" analysis. I
refer to T2 Diabetes as "Cash Cow Disease"!

-T


Years ago, a friend of mine described what he
calls vertical thinking versus horizontal thinking.
In the case of vertical thinking, if it's not
working, do the same thing but HARDER.

In the case of horizontal thinking, if it's not
working, try some thing different.

If the pill isn't making him better, try another
pill, or a stronger dose.

Second example was the time when my answering
service was trying to get a hold of me. Evie
(my vertical thinking person) dialed my pager.
Few minutes later, I had not answered, so she
dialed my pager again. Had her husband and
daughters dialing my pager. Vertical thinking.
If it's not working, do it harder. have other
people dial my pager, also.

Horizontal thinking is "if it's not working,
try some thing else". In this case, that would
be to dial one of the other two numbers on the
Rolodex. As it happened, I was watching TV,
sitting about a foot away from my land phone,
and would have answered on the first ring.


I have herd vertical thinkers refereed to as "toilet
flushers". The bowl is running over on their foot
and they keep on flushing.

See it a lot with jammed network printers. If
it doesn't print the first or second or third time,
print 50 more times.

On 02/13/2015 06:12 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
So, one can drink a significant amount of Roundup and
not get real sick. It's not something to spray in the air to keep
cool, but spot application on weeds in my yard doesn't sound like a
risk.

Do you spray it on your food year after year?

On 02/14/2015 03:40 AM, Shadow wrote:

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/allhat/qckref.htm

Hi Shadow,

I see some problems with the study. They are making presumptions
about certain thing, such a cholesterol being a problem. They
are looking for markers that in of them selves are not
based on the scientific method.

They are also not including any natural medicine in the
study. Just drugs and some diet.

But, at least it is double blind! The data is good even
if the presumptions are not.

-T

On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:21:27 -0800, T wrote:

I my experience, Allopaths use Self Interest first and then
the Scientific Method, even the "serious" ones. I wonder
how many of those "serious" Allopaths still prescribe
Statins, Acid Blockers, Flu Shots, Rat Poison. Oh
did I mention Antibiotics for viruses?

I have never prescribed statins, acid blockers (except in
extreme cases) or flu shots (except in people that could be killed by
flu). I do use rat poison though, up to a certain age group. And I've
never prescribed antibiotics for viruses.
It's what state medicine is all about, if the patient gets
better, he'll bother you less. And the pay is the same. I do not see
patients as goldmines. Teach them how to care for ingrowing nails, you
won't need to operate. Teach them what diabetes is, they won't go out
killing themselves with fads. Ditto high blood pressure.
Self interest ? I suppose so, I like my peace.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:49:35 -0800, T wrote:

Be careful of Pub Med too. Look for the source of their funding
when they present a study. Apply enough money and you can
make a study say WHATEVER YOU WANT. (Back to not trusting your
institutions again.)

The WHO consensus on hypertension comes to mind. 18 of the 19
researchers were funded by big Pharma. And they changed the diagnostic
criteria, so even normal people are considered candidates for the most
expensive medication.
Madness.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 16:21:19 -0800, T wrote:

On 02/14/2015 03:40 AM, Shadow wrote:

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/allhat/qckref.htm

Hi Shadow,

I see some problems with the study. They are making presumptions
about certain thing, such a cholesterol being a problem. They
are looking for markers that in of them selves are not
based on the scientific method.

Cholesterol (high, with low HDL) IS a problem. Just a case of
simple statistics. Statins are a bigger problem. Expensive, with side
effects often more deadly that the disease they treat. And over
prescribed.

They are also not including any natural medicine in the
study. Just drugs and some diet.

They only used drugs that passed previous and smaller
evidence-based trials. No "natural medicine" made the mark. No point
in wasting money if you are doing a trial as big as ALLHAT.

But, at least it is double blind! The data is good even
if the presumptions are not.


Yes, the data is good. Cheap medicine is often better that the
Big Pharma/FDA recommended stuff.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On 2/14/2015 3:47 PM, Marvel wrote:
http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-c...entist-at-mit/


Is that as accurate as how the polar ice
caps are going to melt, and the ocean
will be about 400 feet inland from where
it was in 1975?

Must be true. BTW, western NY is +4 degrees
this morning, with some new snow cover.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 2/14/2015 7:04 PM, T wrote:
I have herd vertical thinkers refereed to as "toilet
flushers". The bowl is running over on their foot
and they keep on flushing.

See it a lot with jammed network printers. If
it doesn't print the first or second or third time,
print 50 more times.

If the elevator car isn't here, push the button
repeatedly. Vertical thinking, some what literally?

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 7:25:26 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/14/2015 3:47 PM, Marvel wrote:
http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-c...entist-at-mit/


Is that as accurate as how the polar ice
caps are going to melt, and the ocean
will be about 400 feet inland from where
it was in 1975?

Must be true. BTW, western NY is +4 degrees
this morning, with some new snow cover.


12 here in NJ, winds 25 gusting to 55
Light snow, probably couple inches actual, hard to tell
it's blowing around so much.
Going to be -1 tonight

On 02/15/2015 06:25 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/14/2015 3:47 PM, Marvel wrote:
http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-c...entist-at-mit/



Is that as accurate as how the polar ice
caps are going to melt, and the ocean
will be about 400 feet inland from where
it was in 1975?

Must be true. BTW, western NY is +4 degrees
this morning, with some new snow cover.

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
.

Are you suggesting the polar ice caps are NOT melting? That would be
denying the obvious.

On 2/15/2015 7:37 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 7:25:26 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Is that as accurate as how the polar ice
caps are going to melt, and the ocean
will be about 400 feet inland from where
it was in 1975?

Must be true. BTW, western NY is +4 degrees
this morning, with some new snow cover.


12 here in NJ, winds 25 gusting to 55
Light snow, probably couple inches actual, hard to tell
it's blowing around so much.
Going to be -1 tonight


Good day to stay home, and hunker in the bunker.
-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 2/15/2015 8:03 AM, cjt wrote:
On 02/15/2015 06:25 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Is that as accurate as how the polar ice
caps are going to melt, and the ocean
will be about 400 feet inland from where
it was in 1975?


Are you suggesting the polar ice caps are NOT melting? That would be
denying the obvious.

I am suggesting that the polar ice caps
are NOT melting.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 8:03:15 AM UTC-5, cjt wrote:
On 02/15/2015 06:25 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/14/2015 3:47 PM, Marvel wrote:
http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-c...entist-at-mit/



Is that as accurate as how the polar ice
caps are going to melt, and the ocean
will be about 400 feet inland from where
it was in 1975?

Must be true. BTW, western NY is +4 degrees
this morning, with some new snow cover.

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
.

Are you suggesting the polar ice caps are NOT melting? That would be
denying the obvious.

I think he's suggesting that it's entirely possible they aren't melting.
He's not alone:

"It is uncertain, however, whether the world's two major ice sheets-Greenland and Antarctica-have been growing or diminishing"

Where did the above come from? Some junk science, global warming skeptic
source? Why no, it's from the USA govt via NASA.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fea...polar_ice2.php

Just the facts.

| Is that as accurate as how the polar ice
| caps are going to melt, and the ocean
| will be about 400 feet inland from where
| it was in 1975?
|

You'll never know if you just filter the news for
what you want to hear. Why not read it
yourself and think for yourself? The author
is controversial. She's actually an MIT computer
scientist with minor biology background who
simply reads studies and assesses them.

It's hard to tell whether her work is valid,
partly because it would require a lot of work.
I came across a paper she wrote on statins
but didn't know what to make of it. There's
just too much technical terminology that I don't
understand. She seems to be writing something
like a commentary to the people in the field.
Many of her peers seem to reject her work.
Then again, they would. Anyone coming up
with new theories who doesn't have a place
in the established hierarchy is bound to be
shouted down. (For that matter, *anyone* coming
up with a new theory, even if they are part of
the hierarchy, is likely to be shouted down.)

On the other hand, I found an interview of her
on alternet.org. She's not boastful and does not
misrepresent herself. She doesn't come across
as a quack. (She's not making far out, untestable,
New Age claims, like saying that she can send
dead people to Heaven by baptizing them "in
absentia", or that she got The Ten Commandments
"two point oh" from an Italian angel whom she met
in her backyard. She's only saying she thinks GMOs
are related to rising autism rates.

Anyway, how do you know the polar ice caps
are *not* going to melt? There are fossil forests
under the snow in Antarctica and the midwest
is thought to have once been an inland sea. Isn't
it possible that there's some truth in the global
warming research and that the Earth is warming
quickly? Maybe it's not even long term. Maybe
humans are not doing it. But you just reject the
whole shebang as not in accord with your world
view. Ditto with GMOs. Your view is always the one
that says there's nothing to be concerned about.
You're a habitual naysayer simply because
you don't want to have any open questions in
your life. If you actually looked into what you
talk about and gave it some thought then people
might find your statements worth hearing. Instead
you just make glib digs, trying to devalue what
others say.

On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 8:23:47 AM UTC-5, Mayayana wrote:
..

Anyway, how do you know the polar ice caps
are *not* going to melt? There are fossil forests
under the snow in Antarctica and the midwest
is thought to have once been an inland sea. Isn't
it possible that there's some truth in the global
warming research and that the Earth is warming
quickly?

The actual data, which the big global warming proponents
came up with, is that the earth has warmed about 1C in
the last century. For the last 15 years, it's been going
sideways. That would seem to put to rest the idea
that the earth is currently warming rapidly. Just the fact
that the global warming experts, with all their predictive models,
that claim we're headed for doom, didn't tell us 15 or 10
or even 5 years ago, that it would be going sideways for a
long period, should
give everyone reason to question what's going on. Of course,
now that it's going sideways for 15 years, instead of rising,
now they have all kinds of explanations, excuses, etc for it,
*after* the fact.


Maybe it's not even long term. Maybe
humans are not doing it. But you just reject the
whole shebang as not in accord with your world
view. Ditto with GMOs. Your view is always the one
that says there's nothing to be concerned about.

One has nothing to do with the other. The overwhelming
scientific community agrees that GMOs are not harmful.
You've been here for a week now, claiming that GMOs are
unsafe to eat, yet I haven't seen one actual study produced
that shows that.



You're a habitual naysayer simply because
you don't want to have any open questions in
your life. If you actually looked into what you
talk about and gave it some thought then people
might find your statements worth hearing. Instead
you just make glib digs, trying to devalue what
others say.

He kind of does a good job of it. He says the global ice
caps aren't melting. Even NASA says they aren't sure.
How's that for a good source? Are they blinded global warming
ignoramuses too?

"It is uncertain, however, whether the world's two major ice sheets-Greenland and Antarctica-have been growing or diminishing"

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fea...polar_ice2.php

Just the facts....

On 2/14/2015 4:40 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 3:47:37 PM UTC-5, Marvel wrote:
http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-c...entist-at-mit/

Which has exactly what to do with GMO and Monsanto?
Good grief. We already have measles breaking out, putting
them in the hospital, threatening their lives, because hippie
parents don't want to get the kids vaccinated because they
think vaccination causes autism. Never mind that the bogus study
done a couple decades ago has been thoroughly discredited and
that a dozen extensive real studies have shown no linkage.


Not going to wade through this but hear it from the horse's mouth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_AH...ature=youtu.be

On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:47:30 -0500, Marvel wrote:

http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-c...entist-at-mit/

No they wont. Only the ones that can afford expensive therapy
will be called autistic. The rest will be labelled "bored".
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 9:36:51 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 2/14/2015 4:40 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 3:47:37 PM UTC-5, Marvel wrote:
http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-c...entist-at-mit/

Which has exactly what to do with GMO and Monsanto?
Good grief. We already have measles breaking out, putting
them in the hospital, threatening their lives, because hippie
parents don't want to get the kids vaccinated because they
think vaccination causes autism. Never mind that the bogus study
done a couple decades ago has been thoroughly discredited and
that a dozen extensive real studies have shown no linkage.


Not going to wade through this but hear it from the horse's mouth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_AH...ature=youtu.be

What qualifies this as the horses mouth, as opposed to some other part
of the horse? When in the first few minutes, the guy starts talking
about Darth Vader in regard to Monsanto, I tend to get a bit suspicious.
What qualifications does he have?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_M._Smith

"attended Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa in the 1980s"

That's right, his educational qualification apparently is that he
attended the Maharishi Yogi's "university" and note that it does not say
he earned any recognized degree. And the "institute" that he is affiliated
with, has only one employee, him. Nuff said.

As for the person he's interviewing, again I get suspicious when the
host doesn't even attempt to establish the credentials of someone spewing
scientific opinions. What are her qualifications?

"Stephanie Seneff is a Senior Research Scientist at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. She received the B.S. degree in Biophysics in 1968, the M.S. and E.E. degrees in Electrical Engineering in 1980, and the Ph.D degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science in 1985, all from MIT."

Hardly one that I would trust for opinions on the toxicity of herbicides.
The paper he refers to was apparently put up on one of the open web forums,
where just about anyone can put up any paper. From what I see, it's not any recognized, credible peer reviewed journal where scientific studies from
real authorities in the field are published.

Just the facts...

On 2/15/2015 10:05 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 9:36:51 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 2/14/2015 4:40 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, February 14, 2015 at 3:47:37 PM UTC-5, Marvel wrote:
http://www.anh-usa.org/half-of-all-c...entist-at-mit/

Which has exactly what to do with GMO and Monsanto?
Good grief. We already have measles breaking out, putting
them in the hospital, threatening their lives, because hippie
parents don't want to get the kids vaccinated because they
think vaccination causes autism. Never mind that the bogus study
done a couple decades ago has been thoroughly discredited and
that a dozen extensive real studies have shown no linkage.


Not going to wade through this but hear it from the horse's mouth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_AH...ature=youtu.be

What qualifies this as the horses mouth, as opposed to some other part
of the horse? When in the first few minutes, the guy starts talking
about Darth Vader in regard to Monsanto, I tend to get a bit suspicious.
What qualifications does he have?:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_M._Smith

"attended Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield, Iowa in the 1980s"

That's right, his educational qualification apparently is that he
attended the Maharishi Yogi's "university" and note that it does not say
he earned any recognized degree. And the "institute" that he is affiliated
with, has only one employee, him. Nuff said.

As for the person he's interviewing, again I get suspicious when the
host doesn't even attempt to establish the credentials of someone spewing
scientific opinions. What are her qualifications?

"Stephanie Seneff is a Senior Research Scientist at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. She received the B.S. degree in Biophysics in 1968, the M.S. and E.E. degrees in Electrical Engineering in 1980, and the Ph.D degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science in 1985, all from MIT."

Hardly one that I would trust for opinions on the toxicity of herbicides.
The paper he refers to was apparently put up on one of the open web forums,
where just about anyone can put up any paper. From what I see, it's not any recognized, credible peer reviewed journal where scientific studies from
real authorities in the field are published.

Just the facts...


Yes. I have seen her name before. It is obvious where they are coming
from. Comical as when I tell some of the global warming followers that
I am a chemist, they discount my opinion, but when folks like these say
what they like, they use them as experts.

Just glancing at GMS's I see they have been in use for over 40 years.
Probably before some these alarmists were born. Maybe it made them that
way

Gotta go now to start removing a couple of inches of global warming off
my drive way.

On 2/15/2015 8:27 AM, Mayayana wrote:
If you actually looked into what you
talk about and gave it some thought then people
might find your statements worth hearing. Instead
you just make glib digs, trying to devalue what
others say.


We might be related. I was just going to write
that about you!

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On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 08:17:35 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 2/15/2015 7:37 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Sunday, February 15, 2015 at 7:25:26 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Is that as accurate as how the polar ice
caps are going to melt, and the ocean
will be about 400 feet inland from where
it was in 1975?

Must be true. BTW, western NY is +4 degrees
this morning, with some new snow cover.


12 here in NJ, winds 25 gusting to 55
Light snow, probably couple inches actual, hard to tell
it's blowing around so much.
Going to be -1 tonight


Good day to stay home, and hunker in the bunker.

"Sir, We’re Surrounded. Good, we can attack in any direction" --
Lieutenant General Lewis Burwell "Chesty" Puller

78º F today

On 02/15/2015 03:35 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:21:27 -0800, T wrote:

I my experience, Allopaths use Self Interest first and then
the Scientific Method, even the "serious" ones. I wonder
how many of those "serious" Allopaths still prescribe
Statins, Acid Blockers, Flu Shots, Rat Poison. Oh
did I mention Antibiotics for viruses?

I have never prescribed statins, acid blockers (except in
extreme cases) or flu shots (except in people that could be killed by
flu). I do use rat poison though, up to a certain age group. And I've
never prescribed antibiotics for viruses.
It's what state medicine is all about, if the patient gets
better, he'll bother you less. And the pay is the same. I do not see
patients as goldmines. Teach them how to care for ingrowing nails, you
won't need to operate. Teach them what diabetes is, they won't go out
killing themselves with fads. Ditto high blood pressure.
Self interest ? I suppose so, I like my peace.
[]'s



Hi Shadow,

Wisdom of Sirach (Bible -- Apocrypha), chapter 38, v9-14:

9: My son, in thy sickness be not negligent: but pray
unto the Lord, and he will make thee whole.
10: Leave off from sin, and order thine hands aright,
and cleanse thy heart from all wickedness.
11: Give a sweet savour, and a memorial of fine flour;
and make a fat offering, as not being.

12: Then give place to the physician, for the Lord hath
created him: let him not go from thee, for thou hast
need of him.
13: There is a time when in their hands there is good
success.
14: For they shall also pray unto the Lord, that he
would prosper that, which they give for ease and
remedy to prolong life.

You do realize how unusual you are in your field?

Speaking of your field, just exactly how difficult is it
to use a word processor to create a sheet on how to
treat a cold? How high to let a fever go before its
healing effect switches to dangerous? Etc.. And to
print out a sheet on how to make real chicken broth?
All you have to do it type it up once.

Instead other members of your field just give out
antibiotics, which creates super infections, also
know as "hospital infections". Both my mother-in-law
and father-in-law were killed by them: death-by-medical.
All because someone was too lazy to explain how to
treat a cold.

Okay, I get it, the customers just want a pill. You
are the professional, I don't care if it is easier
just to give a pill. It is your responsibility to
tell them what they need to know. If the insist
on a pill, give them a bottle of olive leaf.

Speaking of rat poison, I have read and wish I could
relocate for you, the application to the FDA to
accept it as a drug. It is an extremely difficult read.
But when your head stops spinning, guess what? It
had no effect on longevity. And, rat poison was
responsible for two on my customers relatives who
hit their heads and ...

And one of my customer's mothers got a punctured
colon from a colon scan. They just sent her
home to die, which she did. Now I can not
imagine exactly how the technician could have
possible missed that as he was watching it.
Me personally, malpractice my ass, I would have gone
after him for negligent homicide. He could have
explained to a jury how he missed it and why
he ignored her complaints.

Of the seven people I know of that have passed, only
one was from natural causes. The rest were all
the leading killer in this country: death-by-medical.
Heart disease is not the leading killer.

By the say, speaking of your peace, there is an
Allopath in one of the local urgent care facilities
that has saved my life twice now. He use to be
a GP, but couldn't take the stress, so he switched
to ER doctor. I have told him the reason I like
him is that he is a healer, not a treater. And,
he is a force of nature. (Verse 13.)

When I reflect on all the advice I was given about
and how to treat T2, his was the absolute spot on.
It would have been better if I had never gone to
see a GP. (I wonder if I could get my money back?
Probably not.)

Oh and the office staff get really testy when asked
on the phone if this doctor is on staff that day.
Apparently, I am not the only one who admires the
guy. Some crap about HEPA regulations, etc..

Oh and would it hurt for an Allopath to call the Allopaths
at Life Extension and ask them how to treat hypertension
with fish oils? Fish oils never killed anyone.

And another thing, if "I" can go to "Pub Med",
SOOOOOOOOO can the rest of your profession!
(Sounds like you are the one exception.)

You sound like a shining light in your profession.
One allopath at a time! Sorry if I sound like
I am ragging on you. I have to work on that verse 12.
Your profession has to work on that verse 14.

-T

I had to go to a British Web Site (NHS) to find out
about what Metformin really was. I suppose I should
forgive at some point. I eventually will, after I
get over being eternally ****ed.

Did I also mention that I have vets as customers?
I love the part were they show me the EXACT same part
number for items they use on dogs that they charge $3.00
for that humans get charged $80.00 for. Also worked
for a time for an animal pharmacy. Oh holly cow the
exact same drugs for 1/20 the cost! (Not all of
them were exact, but a good number were.) This is
what happens when someone else it always paying the
bills. But that is another story for another time.

On 02/15/2015 03:41 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:49:35 -0800, T wrote:

Be careful of Pub Med too. Look for the source of their funding
when they present a study. Apply enough money and you can
make a study say WHATEVER YOU WANT. (Back to not trusting your
institutions again.)

The WHO consensus on hypertension comes to mind. 18 of the 19
researchers were funded by big Pharma. And they changed the diagnostic
criteria, so even normal people are considered candidates for the most
expensive medication.
Madness.
[]'s


Back to trusting our institutions. Makes my head spin.

On 02/15/2015 03:50 AM, Shadow wrote:
Cholesterol (high, with low HDL) IS a problem.

Hi Shadow,

That is absolute rubbish. Every cell in your body requires
Cholesterol and every hormone requires it as a precursor.

And there is no evidence WHATSOEVER that serum cholesterol
and arteriosclerosis are related in autopsy studies.

On the statin front, statin-induced rhabdomyolysis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16651050
is going around these parts. A friend of mine broke
his color bone from a statin related fall.

On the other hand, there is a lot of evidence that
inflammation has a lot to do with it. The doctor that
discovered homocystein's relationship to heart disease
was run out of town by greedy *******s in your profession.
He actually had to go to court to be allowed to be
employed as a coroner. Apparently a bottle of
folate and turmeric *doesn't make them enough money*.

By the way, I credit turmeric, which I take for hay
fever, in saving my heart all those years with
undiagnosed T2 and *Healthy Carbs*

Shades of the guy who discovered ulcers were caused
by a bacteria. Attacked him pretty good. Tried
to run him out of town too. And it is not as if your
profession didn't have to listen to the traditional
medical community screaming at you as how to cure
an ulcer for years before the bacteria discovery.
Follow the money: treat vs cure.

Cholesterol is one of those instances were politics dictates
an outcome in science, sort of like the Global Warming
nonsense. That and endless government funding to prove
a politically dictated outcome.

It all started with a militant vegetarian on Senator
McGovern's staff. You can listen to it yourself. I
will save you having to listen through the whole thing::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=xbFQc2kxm9c

"Many researchers were at the hearing, captured on TV by
CBS and on YouTube, and objected strongly to the lack of
research to back such a dietary philosophy. McGovern’s
response: 'we Senators don’t have the luxury that a research
scientist does of waiting until every last shred of evidence
is in.'”

-T

Here are you some links:

http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/6/397.full (autopsy)

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf (autopsy)

http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/6/397.full

http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm#a

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/T...y_2008jan.html

http://y2khealthanddetox.com/truthchol.html

http://www.sott.net/article/242516-H...-Heart-Disease

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...ol-and-suicide

On 02/15/2015 03:50 AM, Shadow wrote:
They only used drugs that passed previous and smaller
evidence-based trials. No "natural medicine" made the mark. No point
in wasting money if you are doing a trial as big as ALLHAT.

They should have thrown it in anyway. They were making assumptions.
And there is a lot of evidence that fish oils treat hypertension.

On 02/15/2015 04:35 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 2/14/2015 7:04 PM, T wrote:
I have herd vertical thinkers refereed to as "toilet
flushers". The bowl is running over on their foot
and they keep on flushing.

See it a lot with jammed network printers. If
it doesn't print the first or second or third time,
print 50 more times.

If the elevator car isn't here, push the button
repeatedly. Vertical thinking, some what literally?

Why are my feet wet!

On 02/15/2015 03:35 AM, Shadow wrote:
flu shots (except in people that could be killed by
flu)

Hi Shadow,

Okay, I have watched several wonderful documentaries
on the flu shot. Birds and pigs in China and all
that. They are quiet honest about how the flu shot
works. Fascinating documentaries. (I don't remember their
names, it was year ago.)

So here goes. The flu shot is a live virus shot.
The flu shot only works on the viruses that are
in the shot. If you don't get sick from the shot,
you don't get immune to the viruses in the shot.
(This is what the researchers said.) Odd of getting
sick are between 60 and 70% if memory serves me.

Odds of the virus in the shot being the virus in
the wild that year are very, very low. Also if memory
serves me, the researchers said it was under 4%.
It certainly is not this year. Or any year I can
remember.

So basically, if you take the flu shot, you get the
flu twice, instead on once.

This is what I don't get. Why risk those in poor health
with the flu twice instead of once? Would it not be better
just to teach them how to treat the flu and send them
home with a print out on how, a recipe for real chicken
broth, and a bottle of olive leaf?

-T

Let me clear my throat. Cough Cough. Follow the money.

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:47:04 -0800, T wrote:

On 02/15/2015 03:50 AM, Shadow wrote:
Cholesterol (high, with low HDL) IS a problem.

Hi Shadow,

That is absolute rubbish. Every cell in your body requires
Cholesterol and every hormone requires it as a precursor.

You didn't read what I wrote. Cholesterol is absolutely
essential.
As to the rest of the post, you read too much. Of the wrong
stuff. Sorry.
[]'s

And there is no evidence WHATSOEVER that serum cholesterol
and arteriosclerosis are related in autopsy studies.

On the statin front, statin-induced rhabdomyolysis:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16651050
is going around these parts. A friend of mine broke
his color bone from a statin related fall.

On the other hand, there is a lot of evidence that
inflammation has a lot to do with it. The doctor that
discovered homocystein's relationship to heart disease
was run out of town by greedy *******s in your profession.
He actually had to go to court to be allowed to be
employed as a coroner. Apparently a bottle of
folate and turmeric *doesn't make them enough money*.

By the way, I credit turmeric, which I take for hay
fever, in saving my heart all those years with
undiagnosed T2 and *Healthy Carbs*

Shades of the guy who discovered ulcers were caused
by a bacteria. Attacked him pretty good. Tried
to run him out of town too. And it is not as if your
profession didn't have to listen to the traditional
medical community screaming at you as how to cure
an ulcer for years before the bacteria discovery.
Follow the money: treat vs cure.

Cholesterol is one of those instances were politics dictates
an outcome in science, sort of like the Global Warming
nonsense. That and endless government funding to prove
a politically dictated outcome.

It all started with a militant vegetarian on Senator
McGovern's staff. You can listen to it yourself. I
will save you having to listen through the whole thing::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=xbFQc2kxm9c

"Many researchers were at the hearing, captured on TV by
CBS and on YouTube, and objected strongly to the lack of
research to back such a dietary philosophy. McGovern’s
response: 'we Senators don’t have the luxury that a research
scientist does of waiting until every last shred of evidence
is in.'”

-T

Here are you some links:

http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/6/397.full (autopsy)

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/23/6/847.full.pdf (autopsy)

http://qjmed.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/6/397.full

http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm#a

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/T...y_2008jan.html

http://y2khealthanddetox.com/truthchol.html

http://www.sott.net/article/242516-H...-Heart-Disease

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...ol-and-suicide

--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 11:48:47 -0800, T wrote:

On 02/15/2015 03:50 AM, Shadow wrote:
They only used drugs that passed previous and smaller
evidence-based trials. No "natural medicine" made the mark. No point
in wasting money if you are doing a trial as big as ALLHAT.

They should have thrown it in anyway. They were making assumptions.
And there is a lot of evidence that fish oils treat hypertension.

There is none at all, except at your friendly fish-oil scam
merchant.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:12:51 -0800, T wrote:

This is what I don't get. Why risk those in poor health
with the flu twice instead of once? Would it not be better
just to teach them how to treat the flu and send them
home with a print out on how, a recipe for real chicken
broth, and a bottle of olive leaf?

The vaccine is to make antibodies to some of the more
prevalent viruses antigens. So if you catch a different strain of
virus, but it has one or more antigens in common with the vaccine, you
will get flu, but a much weaker version.
IOW, it might or might not diminish the number of cases, but
it will certainly reduce the severity of the disease. This is
important in patients with severe heart/respiratory problems.
The avian flu and the swine flu epidemics were a hoax, someone
made billions selling unnecessary anti-viral agents. None of my
patients took the medicine, and no one died. I didn't even take the
vaccine, neither did my family or most of my favorite patients.
[]'s

PS I retired 5 years ago.
PPS Liquids are good for avoiding complications. Does not matter if
it's chicken broth, olive leaf tea or just plain water.
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:11:46 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 2/15/2015 8:27 AM, Mayayana wrote:
If you actually looked into what you
talk about and gave it some thought then people
might find your statements worth hearing. Instead
you just make glib digs, trying to devalue what
others say.


We might be related. I was just going to write
that about you!

Vegas has 100:1 odds he IS related to you.

On 2/15/2015 2:08 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 08:17:35 -0500, Stormin Mormon
12 here in NJ, winds 25 gusting to 55
Light snow, probably couple inches actual, hard to tell
it's blowing around so much.
Going to be -1 tonight


Good day to stay home, and hunker in the bunker.

"Sir, We’re Surrounded. Good, we can attack in any direction" --
Lieutenant General Lewis Burwell "Chesty" Puller

78º F today


Weather optomist: Got to get warmer.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
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