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Bought a new 2 gallon gas can as my old government designed can had a
cut, leaky seal. New can looks same as the old can but they added child
type safety cap to spout where you have to squeeze and twist. Took a
pair of pliers for me to open. Fortunately I found what tabs to cut off
to defeat it in the future. These cans spill more gas than the old ones.
Now this.

Damn the EPA.

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On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 12:33:41 -0400, Frank wrote:

These cans spill more gas than the old ones.
Damn the EPA

What brand did you buy?
Did you complain to their customer support representative?

In my past phone conversations with Pat Moyer at the now-defunct Blitz
(918-540-1515 & 877-922-5489, pmoyer at blitzusa com), I was told they
were given stringent requirements that the gasoline stay *in* the can.

Point is: There was no requirement to let the gas *out*.

In more recent conversations with CARB (800-242-4450), and specifically
with Angus at 916-445-4686, I was told that all states must meet the CARB
requirements for the gasoline to stay *in*, and only six companies have
met those requirements.

But again, there is no similar requirement that the gasoline come *out*.

I've come to conclude that the real issue is for us (yes, you, me, Oren,
DD_BobK, Trader4, Attila, SMS, Stormin, Nestork, GFretwell, Ed Paw, Daring
Dufas, Dan E, Kurt U, etc.) to request that there be a spec for usability.

Yes, it's "our" fault that there is no spec for usability!
(Actually, it's their fault; but it's our fault for letting them get away
with it.).

I don't know whom to write, but, if you guys do ... please publish the
contact information of whom to call or write or email to request that
there be a similar spec for the gas to come *out* of the can gracefully.

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On 6/5/2013 11:33 AM, Frank wrote:
Bought a new 2 gallon gas can as my old government designed can had a
cut, leaky seal. New can looks same as the old can but they added
child type safety cap to spout where you have to squeeze and twist.
Took a pair of pliers for me to open. Fortunately I found what tabs to
cut off to defeat it in the future. These cans spill more gas than the
old ones. Now this.

Damn the EPA.

Bless OSHA, for they have provided an escape clause.

Do not shop for a 'gas can'. Instead, you want to purchase an
'OSHA-approved metal safety container'. They're exempt from the EPA
and CARB regs. Yeah, you'll pay more, but you'll get a quality can
that actually pours like it should.

Example:

http://www.amazon.com/Eagle-U2-51-S-.../dp/B000BQO15I

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On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:11:42 -0500, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

'OSHA-approved metal safety container'

Nice can ... but ... expensive:
* List Price: $122.78
* Price: $63.98 & FREE Shipping

I need about 10 5-gallon gasoline cans.
How do you think that round can stacks up against the
Nato-style Jerry cans such as these?

$40
http://www.lexingtoncontainercompany...erry-Cans.html

BTW, these $55 Amazon Nato-like cans "say" they're CARB compliant.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AZ51JTQ

Does that mean they stink?

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"Frank" wrote in message
...
New can looks same as the old can but they added child type safety cap
to spout where you have to squeeze and twist.

Think I found your problem. Have an adult help you.

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On 6/5/13 12:33 PM, Frank wrote:
Bought a new 2 gallon gas can as my old government designed
can had a cut, leaky seal. New can looks same as the old
can but they added child type safety cap to spout where you
have to squeeze and twist. Took a pair of pliers for me to
open. Fortunately I found what tabs to cut off to defeat it
in the future. These cans spill more gas than the old ones.
Now this.

Damn the EPA.

http://ezpourspout.com/wp/ez-pour-pr...hi-flow-spout/

If the above isn't sold in your state, this one probably is:
http://ezpourspout.com/wp/order/order-water-spout/

Same product, just molded in a different color.

I have an old 2.5 gallon plastic gas can that originally had
a flexible rubber spout. Over time, the seal on the inside
of the spout wore down, and the thing leaked when I tried to
pour with it. The "water spout" above fixed the problem.

They're available at Tractor Supply (no financial interest,
other than that I bought one there). They come with 2 caps,
one _might_ fit the can you currently have.

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John Albert wrote:
On 6/5/13 12:33 PM, Frank wrote:
Bought a new 2 gallon gas can as my old government designed
can had a cut, leaky seal. New can looks same as the old
can but they added child type safety cap to spout where you
have to squeeze and twist. Took a pair of pliers for me to
open. Fortunately I found what tabs to cut off to defeat it
in the future. These cans spill more gas than the old ones.
Now this.

Damn the EPA.

http://ezpourspout.com/wp/ez-pour-pr...hi-flow-spout/

If the above isn't sold in your state, this one probably is:
http://ezpourspout.com/wp/order/order-water-spout/

Same product, just molded in a different color.

I have an old 2.5 gallon plastic gas can that originally had a flexible
rubber spout. Over time, the seal on the inside of the spout wore down,
and the thing leaked when I tried to pour with it. The "water spout"
above fixed the problem.

They're available at Tractor Supply (no financial interest, other than
that I bought one there). They come with 2 caps, one _might_ fit the can
you currently have.

I was looking for a really long neck. These foolish generators have the
filler cap in the middle where you end up spilling gas before you get
there.

Greg

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"Danny D" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:11:42 -0500, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

'OSHA-approved metal safety container'

Nice can ... but ... expensive:
* List Price: $122.78
* Price: $63.98 & FREE Shipping

I need about 10 5-gallon gasoline cans.
How do you think that round can stacks up against the
Nato-style Jerry cans such as these?

$40
http://www.lexingtoncontainercompany...erry-Cans.html

BTW, these $55 Amazon Nato-like cans "say" they're CARB compliant.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AZ51JTQ

Does that mean they stink?

If you're not here in the Peoples Republic of Calif, there's no reason to try to find CARB or AQMD approved cans. They are only concerned with hydrocarbons in the local air. The weather conditions here are ideal for creating smog and gas fumes are the number one ingredient. I still think these type of new cans is not the way to go. I got an electric mower several years ago and couldn't be happier and if I need gasoline, I just siphon it from the gas tank into any old jug I have laying around. Always good to have a nice pair of jugs around, eh? LOL!!

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"Guv Bob" wrote in message ...
"Danny D" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:11:42 -0500, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

'OSHA-approved metal safety container'

Nice can ... but ... expensive:
* List Price: $122.78
* Price: $63.98 & FREE Shipping

I need about 10 5-gallon gasoline cans.
How do you think that round can stacks up against the
Nato-style Jerry cans such as these?

$40
http://www.lexingtoncontainercompany...erry-Cans.html

BTW, these $55 Amazon Nato-like cans "say" they're CARB compliant.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AZ51JTQ

Does that mean they stink?

If you're not here in the Peoples Republic of Calif, there's no reason to try to find CARB or AQMD approved cans. They are only concerned with hydrocarbons in the local air. The weather conditions here are ideal for creating smog and gas fumes are the number one ingredient. I still think these type of new cans is not the way to go. I got an electric mower several years ago and couldn't be happier and if I need gasoline, I just siphon it from the gas tank into any old jug I have laying around. Always good to have a nice pair of jugs around, eh? LOL!!

Right or wrong, there are all kinds of rules and laws that are (or should be) universally ignored and can't be enforced....

1. You can't give the mailman an unstamped greeting card unless you hand it to him.
2. The mailman can't drop a thank you note on your doorstep without a stamp on it.
3. You technically can't park in a metered space without paying, even if there is time still left on the meter in most big cities.
4. You can't chew gum anywhere in Singapore.
5. You can't yell at anyone - that's technically assault or abuse.
6. You can't make a video on public property without a permit.

However, you can collect things for old time sake....
google: collectible gas can

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On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 21:25:30 -0700, Guv Bob wrote:

If you're not here in the Peoples Republic of Calif
I am

there's no reason to try to find CARB or AQMD approved cans.
I was told by CARB that all states now must meet CARB
requirements. I didn't doublecheck that statement but it was
told to me by Angus in Sacramento at 916-445-4686.

They are only concerned with hydrocarbons in the local air.
My point is that we should insist there be requirements
for how the gasoline gets *out* of the can, in addition to
the existing stringent requirements for how the gas stays *in*.

The weather conditions here are ideal for creating smog
and gas fumes are the number one ingredient.

Out here on the Pacific Coast, there's so much wind, smog
doesn't stick around.

if I need gasoline, I just siphon it from the gas tank
Mine has anti-siphon protection.
I thought all modern cars did?
What kind of car do you have that doesn't?

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Danny D wrote:
On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 21:25:30 -0700, Guv Bob wrote:
The weather conditions here are ideal for creating smog
and gas fumes are the number one ingredient.

Out here on the Pacific Coast, there's so much wind, smog
doesn't stick around.

You speak for the whole Pacific coast????

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"Guv Bob" wrote:
"Danny D" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 14:11:42 -0500, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

'OSHA-approved metal safety container'

Nice can ... but ... expensive:
* List Price: $122.78
* Price: $63.98 & FREE Shipping

I need about 10 5-gallon gasoline cans.
How do you think that round can stacks up against the
Nato-style Jerry cans such as these?

$40
http://www.lexingtoncontainercompany...erry-Cans.html

BTW, these $55 Amazon Nato-like cans "say" they're CARB compliant.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AZ51JTQ

Does that mean they stink?

If you're not here in the Peoples Republic of Calif, there's no reason to
try to find CARB or AQMD approved cans. They are only concerned with
hydrocarbons in the local air. The weather conditions here are ideal for
creating smog and gas fumes are the number one ingredient. I still think
these type of new cans is not the way to go. I got an electric mower
several years ago and couldn't be happier and if I need gasoline, I just
siphon it from the gas tank into any old jug I have laying around.
Always good to have a nice pair of jugs around, eh? LOL!!

I like those funny looking gas pump gizmos, and I still get gas all over
the place when I hang up.

Greg

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On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 15:35:11 -0700, Bob F wrote:

You speak for the whole Pacific coast????

They elected me spokesman! :)

PS: Actually No. They didn't elect me. So I was just speaking for
myself, on the Pacific Coast. Sorry for the mis-identification.

It just burns me up that I can't burn wood, for example, on
those spare-the-air days; yet it's as windy as the top of Mount
Everest for me on some of those days because I face the ocean
winds. They make no correction for location sometimes.

So, sorry for being overly expansive on my comments.

I'll bow out on the topic.

another government designed gas can rant
 

"Danny D" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 21:25:30 -0700, Guv Bob wrote:

If you're not here in the Peoples Republic of Calif
I am

there's no reason to try to find CARB or AQMD approved cans.
I was told by CARB that all states now must meet CARB
requirements. I didn't doublecheck that statement but it was
told to me by Angus in Sacramento at 916-445-4686.

They are only concerned with hydrocarbons in the local air.
My point is that we should insist there be requirements
for how the gasoline gets *out* of the can, in addition to
the existing stringent requirements for how the gas stays *in*.

The weather conditions here are ideal for creating smog
and gas fumes are the number one ingredient.

Out here on the Pacific Coast, there's so much wind, smog
doesn't stick around.

if I need gasoline, I just siphon it from the gas tank
Mine has anti-siphon protection.
I thought all modern cars did?
What kind of car do you have that doesn't?

Ford, Mitsubishi & Toyota. I've never seen any car you can't siphon gas from the tank. You might have to use a tube with small OD.

another government designed gas can rant
 

"Danny D" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 15:35:11 -0700, Bob F wrote:

You speak for the whole Pacific coast????

They elected me spokesman! :)

PS: Actually No. They didn't elect me. So I was just speaking for
myself, on the Pacific Coast. Sorry for the mis-identification.

It just burns me up that I can't burn wood, for example, on
those spare-the-air days; yet it's as windy as the top of Mount
Everest for me on some of those days because I face the ocean
winds. They make no correction for location sometimes.

So, sorry for being overly expansive on my comments.

I'll bow out on the topic.

Don't bow out, Danny. Your posts are some of the best!

If you're west of LA, there's not much smog. The wind during the day is mostly from the west and carries the HC from the refineries and NO from freeway. About 2-3pm, anywhere east of LA is smoggy. Not nearly as bad as in the 60's and 70's, but still can be bad.

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On 6/5/2013 5:37 PM, Jerry wrote:
"Frank" wrote in message
...
New can looks same as the old can but they added child type safety cap
to spout where you have to squeeze and twist.

Think I found your problem. Have an adult help you.





I'm older but don't think even my adult sons could have gotten this cap
off without pliers.

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On 6/5/2013 8:51 PM, John Albert wrote:
On 6/5/13 12:33 PM, Frank wrote:
Bought a new 2 gallon gas can as my old government designed
can had a cut, leaky seal. New can looks same as the old
can but they added child type safety cap to spout where you
have to squeeze and twist. Took a pair of pliers for me to
open. Fortunately I found what tabs to cut off to defeat it
in the future. These cans spill more gas than the old ones.
Now this.

Damn the EPA.

http://ezpourspout.com/wp/ez-pour-pr...hi-flow-spout/

If the above isn't sold in your state, this one probably is:
http://ezpourspout.com/wp/order/order-water-spout/

Same product, just molded in a different color.

I have an old 2.5 gallon plastic gas can that originally had a flexible
rubber spout. Over time, the seal on the inside of the spout wore down,
and the thing leaked when I tried to pour with it. The "water spout"
above fixed the problem.

They're available at Tractor Supply (no financial interest, other than
that I bought one there). They come with 2 caps, one _might_ fit the can
you currently have.

I had looked around for spouts but none were there. Might have bought
one but they are nearly price if a new can. Hardware store mentioned
some of the metal cans but they were pricey.

another government designed gas can rant
 

"Guv Bob" wrote:
"Danny D" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 15:35:11 -0700, Bob F wrote:

You speak for the whole Pacific coast????

They elected me spokesman! :)

PS: Actually No. They didn't elect me. So I was just speaking for
myself, on the Pacific Coast. Sorry for the mis-identification.

It just burns me up that I can't burn wood, for example, on
those spare-the-air days; yet it's as windy as the top of Mount
Everest for me on some of those days because I face the ocean
winds. They make no correction for location sometimes.

So, sorry for being overly expansive on my comments.

I'll bow out on the topic.

Don't bow out, Danny. Your posts are some of the best!

If you're west of LA, there's not much smog. The wind during the day is
mostly from the west and carries the HC from the refineries and NO from
freeway. About 2-3pm, anywhere east of LA is smoggy. Not nearly as bad
as in the 60's and 70's, but still can be bad.

First time I entered the LA basin, I got hit with the ozoney smell. I
remember it well. Never had that particular smell elsewhere. Kind of miss
it.

Greg

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"gregz" wrote in message ...
"Guv Bob" wrote:
"Danny D" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 06 Jun 2013 15:35:11 -0700, Bob F wrote:

You speak for the whole Pacific coast????

They elected me spokesman! :)

PS: Actually No. They didn't elect me. So I was just speaking for
myself, on the Pacific Coast. Sorry for the mis-identification.

It just burns me up that I can't burn wood, for example, on
those spare-the-air days; yet it's as windy as the top of Mount
Everest for me on some of those days because I face the ocean
winds. They make no correction for location sometimes.

So, sorry for being overly expansive on my comments.

I'll bow out on the topic.

Don't bow out, Danny. Your posts are some of the best!

If you're west of LA, there's not much smog. The wind during the day is
mostly from the west and carries the HC from the refineries and NO from
freeway. About 2-3pm, anywhere east of LA is smoggy. Not nearly as bad
as in the 60's and 70's, but still can be bad.

First time I entered the LA basin, I got hit with the ozoney smell. I
remember it well. Never had that particular smell elsewhere. Kind of miss
it.

Greg

It was real nasty years ago. Still if you leave a tool in a shed exposed to ambient air, it will rust in no time.