New project and need more electrical help
 

My daughter is becomming a teenager and her and her mother fight over the mirror in the bathroom. My intention is to make two mirror frames out of red oak, stained to match the cabinet. (Currently there is one vanity mirror glued to the wall.)There is an electrical outlet on this wall beside the current mirror that will be covered up when using two mirrors. I need to move this outlet to a side wall. (Actually I want to add two more outlets, one on each side wall.)

The outlet that will be covered is in a chain to the other outlets in this bathroom as well as the other bathroom.

I have a crawlspace underneath this room but I think the wiring to the outlets is within the wall itself.

My first thought is to t off the existing outlet. However, as we discussed before, junction boxes have to be "acccessible". A permanently made mirror screwed to the wall may not be. At any rate for the mirror to be flat the box would have to be inside the wall, so not sure if that is legal or would work.

How would you do this?

New project and need more electrical help
 

On Apr 9, 8:13*am, wrote:
My daughter is becomming a teenager and her and her mother fight over the mirror in the bathroom. My intention is to make two mirror frames out of red oak, stained to match the cabinet. (Currently there is one vanity mirror glued to the wall.)There is an electrical outlet on this wall beside the current mirror that will be covered up when using two mirrors. I need to move this outlet to a side wall. (Actually I want to add two more outlets, one on each side wall.)

The outlet that will be covered is in a chain to the other outlets in this bathroom as well as the other bathroom.

I have a crawlspace underneath this room but I think the wiring to the outlets is within the wall itself.

My first thought is to t off the existing outlet. However, as we discussed before, junction boxes have to be "acccessible". A permanently made mirror screwed to the wall may not be. At any rate for the mirror to be flat the box would have to be inside the wall, so not sure if that is legal or would work.

How would you do this?

You can put a blank cover where the outlet is. Even though a
mirror is going over it, it's still accessible by
removing the mirror. Inaccessible would be if you drywalled
over it.

The bigger issue is that code now requires that bathroom
receptacles be on a 20 amp circuit and GFCI protected.
The latter is easy, the first might require running a new
circuit. Whether you make it 100% compliant or not
depends on you and if 2 hair dryers are going to be used
at the same time, etc.

New project and need more electrical help
 

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:13:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
My daughter is becomming a teenager and her and her mother fight over the mirror in the bathroom. My intention is to make two mirror frames out of red oak, stained to match the cabinet. (Currently there is one vanity mirror glued to the wall.)There is an electrical outlet on this wall beside the current mirror that will be covered up when using two mirrors. I need to move this outlet to a side wall. (Actually I want to add two more outlets, one on each side wall.)



The outlet that will be covered is in a chain to the other outlets in this bathroom as well as the other bathroom.



I have a crawlspace underneath this room but I think the wiring to the outlets is within the wall itself.



My first thought is to t off the existing outlet. However, as we discussed before, junction boxes have to be "acccessible". A permanently made mirror screwed to the wall may not be. At any rate for the mirror to be flat the box would have to be inside the wall, so not sure if that is legal or would work.



How would you do this?

It is already on a 20 amp circuit and is gfi protected throught the outlet.

One other question I have, how would you mount the mirror to the wall where it looks nice but is also sturdy? I bought some rail and stile bits and was thinking of using these to place the mirror in the "frame". However, how do I mount the mirror to the wall correctly? I have parents that had a custom mirror made with their cabinets. It looks as if they screwed through the frame to the wall and then covered the recessed screw head with wood putty stained to look like the surrounding wood. (However you can always tell it is not exactly the same as the surrounding wood.

New project and need more electrical help
 

On Apr 9, 8:48*am, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:13:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
My daughter is becomming a teenager and her and her mother fight over the mirror in the bathroom. My intention is to make two mirror frames out of red oak, stained to match the cabinet. (Currently there is one vanity mirror glued to the wall.)There is an electrical outlet on this wall beside the current mirror that will be covered up when using two mirrors. I need to move this outlet to a side wall. (Actually I want to add two more outlets, one on each side wall.)

The outlet that will be covered is in a chain to the other outlets in this bathroom as well as the other bathroom.

I have a crawlspace underneath this room but I think the wiring to the outlets is within the wall itself.

My first thought is to t off the existing outlet. However, as we discussed before, junction boxes have to be "acccessible". A permanently made mirror screwed to the wall may not be. At any rate for the mirror to be flat the box would have to be inside the wall, so not sure if that is legal or would work.

How would you do this?

It is already on a 20 amp circuit and is gfi protected throught the outlet.

New project and need more electrical help
 

On 4/9/2013 8:48 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:13:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
My daughter is becomming a teenager and her and her mother fight over the mirror in the bathroom. My intention is to make two mirror frames out of red oak, stained to match the cabinet. (Currently there is one vanity mirror glued to the wall.)There is an electrical outlet on this wall beside the current mirror that will be covered up when using two mirrors. I need to move this outlet to a side wall. (Actually I want to add two more outlets, one on each side wall.)



The outlet that will be covered is in a chain to the other outlets in this bathroom as well as the other bathroom.


If this receptacle is the GFCI device that is protecting downstream receptacles that require GFCI protection, you'll need to relocate the GFCI device and be sure that the new location is still upstream of all the receptacles requiring GFCI protection. Otherwise more GFCI devices may be required.

New project and need more electrical help
 

On Apr 9, 8:57*am, "
wrote:
On Apr 9, 8:48*am, wrote:

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:13:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
My daughter is becomming a teenager and her and her mother fight over the mirror in the bathroom. My intention is to make two mirror frames out of red oak, stained to match the cabinet. (Currently there is one vanity mirror glued to the wall.)There is an electrical outlet on this wall beside the current mirror that will be covered up when using two mirrors. I need to move this outlet to a side wall. (Actually I want to add two more outlets, one on each side wall.)

The outlet that will be covered is in a chain to the other outlets in this bathroom as well as the other bathroom.

I have a crawlspace underneath this room but I think the wiring to the outlets is within the wall itself.

My first thought is to t off the existing outlet. However, as we discussed before, junction boxes have to be "acccessible". A permanently made mirror screwed to the wall may not be. At any rate for the mirror to be flat the box would have to be inside the wall, so not sure if that is legal or would work.

How would you do this?

It is already on a 20 amp circuit and is gfi protected throught the outlet.

Well that made it easier. *The remaining difficulty will be
to route the wire, which needs to be 12 gauge. * Your
option are probably to either knock holes in the drywall or
else go down to the crawlspace and then back up at the
new locations.



One other question I have, how would you mount the mirror to the wall where it looks nice but is also sturdy? I bought some rail and stile bits and was thinking of using these to place the mirror in the "frame". However, how do I mount the mirror to the wall correctly? I have parents that had a custom mirror made with their cabinets. It looks as if they screwed through the frame to the wall and then covered the recessed screw head with wood putty stained to look like the surrounding wood. (However you can always tell it is not exactly the same as the surrounding wood.- Hide quoted text -

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Why can't you make it so it hangs like any other mirror
would, using a wire behind it? *That would seem easiest
to me. *I have several mirrors over sinks and that is how
they are hung. * Another option is a French cleat. *It's
two strips of metal that interlock. *One gets joined to the
back of the mirror, the other the wall. *But they are typically
used hang art and stuff that is heavier than is suitable for
the typical wire hanger.

i have seen mirrors with electric outlets in them, it appeared fine

New project and need more electrical help
 

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:13:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
My daughter is becomming a teenager and her and her mother fight over the mirror in the bathroom. My intention is to make two mirror frames out of red oak, stained to match the cabinet. (Currently there is one vanity mirror glued to the wall.)There is an electrical outlet on this wall beside the current mirror that will be covered up when using two mirrors. I need to move this outlet to a side wall. (Actually I want to add two more outlets, one on each side wall.)



The outlet that will be covered is in a chain to the other outlets in this bathroom as well as the other bathroom.



I have a crawlspace underneath this room but I think the wiring to the outlets is within the wall itself.



My first thought is to t off the existing outlet. However, as we discussed before, junction boxes have to be "acccessible". A permanently made mirror screwed to the wall may not be. At any rate for the mirror to be flat the box would have to be inside the wall, so not sure if that is legal or would work.



How would you do this?

I thought about the electrical outlet in the mirror, but was not sure how to cut it. I get nervous cutting on a 200 dollar mirror.

I wanted to make sure the mirror sat flush on the wall. I guess just using the "hang it" method I was worried that it would warp or something in the bathroom. Plus, I did not want the kids or anything to knock it over.

That and I am not 100% decided on using two mirrors. I may use one big one. Letting wife decide.

That is a good point about the gfi. I will have to check exactly what is downstream.

New project and need more electrical help
 

On Apr 9, 10:42*am, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:13:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
My daughter is becomming a teenager and her and her mother fight over the mirror in the bathroom. My intention is to make two mirror frames out of red oak, stained to match the cabinet. (Currently there is one vanity mirror glued to the wall.)There is an electrical outlet on this wall beside the current mirror that will be covered up when using two mirrors. I need to move this outlet to a side wall. (Actually I want to add two more outlets, one on each side wall.)

The outlet that will be covered is in a chain to the other outlets in this bathroom as well as the other bathroom.

I have a crawlspace underneath this room but I think the wiring to the outlets is within the wall itself.

My first thought is to t off the existing outlet. However, as we discussed before, junction boxes have to be "acccessible". A permanently made mirror screwed to the wall may not be. At any rate for the mirror to be flat the box would have to be inside the wall, so not sure if that is legal or would work.

How would you do this?

I thought about the electrical outlet in the mirror, but was not sure how to cut it. I get nervous cutting on a 200 dollar mirror.

I wanted to make sure the mirror sat flush on the wall. I guess just using the "hang it" method I was worried that it would warp or something in the bathroom. Plus, I did not want the kids or anything to knock it over.

That and I am not 100% decided on using two mirrors. I may use one big one. Letting wife decide.

That is a good point about the gfi. I will have to check exactly what is downstream.- Hide quoted text -

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I just looked at two of my mirrors. Those actually hang by
two small metal loops, one fastened with screws to each side of the
frame. On the wall are matching hooks.

New project and need more electrical help
 

On 4/9/2013 7:42 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 7:13:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
My daughter is becomming a teenager and her and her mother fight over the mirror in the bathroom. My intention is to make two mirror frames out of red oak, stained to match the cabinet. (Currently there is one vanity mirror glued to the wall.)There is an electrical outlet on this wall beside the current mirror that will be covered up when using two mirrors. I need to move this outlet to a side wall. (Actually I want to add two more outlets, one on each side wall.)



The outlet that will be covered is in a chain to the other outlets in this bathroom as well as the other bathroom.



I have a crawlspace underneath this room but I think the wiring to the outlets is within the wall itself.



My first thought is to t off the existing outlet. However, as we discussed before, junction boxes have to be "acccessible". A permanently made mirror screwed to the wall may not be. At any rate for the mirror to be flat the box would have to be inside the wall, so not sure if that is legal or would work.



How would you do this?

I thought about the electrical outlet in the mirror, but was not sure how to cut it. I get nervous cutting on a 200 dollar mirror.

I wanted to make sure the mirror sat flush on the wall. I guess just using the "hang it" method I was worried that it would warp or something in the bathroom. Plus, I did not want the kids or anything to knock it over.

That and I am not 100% decided on using two mirrors. I may use one big one. Letting wife decide.

That is a good point about the gfi. I will have to check exactly what is downstream.


you will not be able to cut a hole in the mirror. this is first drilled
out in the corners with diamond bits. it would be far cheaper to have
the glass company drill it (and they'll replace it if they break it)
than it would be for you to get the specialized tooling to do this.

How big do these mirrors need to be?

If you need mirrors because two girls need the same bathroom at the same time, you also need more storage space because each girl needs space for her own cosmetics and stuff.

You might consider opting for a recessed medicine cabinet that has a mirror door.
That way, you get a mirror and additional storage space at the same time.



This cabinet will be 14 1/2 inches wide so that it fits between two wall studs. You attach it by screwing it to those studs with screws driven through holes in the side walls of the cabinet. You can also get recessed cabinets in a 22 1/2 inch width to fit 24 inch wall stud spacing.

If you opt for a surface mount medicine cabinet, you're not restricted to the stud spacing, and you can get a much larger mirrored cabinet they can both use:


In the above picture, it looks like the stuff inside the cabinet is reflecting off the back of the cabinet door as though the miiror is installed on the wrong side of the door. That's just to let you know that the front of the cabinet door is a mirror; not the back.

You can also get large surface mount medicine cabinets with multiple mirror doors so they don't fight over the door position.



Home Depot should have all kinds of 'em.

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On Apr 9, 2:28*pm, "dadiOH" wrote:
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One other question I have, how would you mount the mirror to the wall
where it looks nice but is also sturdy?

Use a French cleat.

http://stagingandredesign.com/2012/d...-french-cleat/

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heavy weights like wall mirrors