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What happens if you put 75 watt bulb in a 60 watt fixture
I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use
a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? |
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On Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:56:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Mastroianni wrote:
I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? You will know the answer when the fixture bursts into flame or your house burns down which ever comes first. |
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On 01-25-2013 00:56, Joe Mastroianni wrote:
I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? Get a CFL or LED for _more_ light, less heat. -- Wes Groleau Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise according to his own conceit. €” Solomon Are you saying there's no good way to answer a fool? €” Groleau |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:47:57 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote:
Get a CFL or LED for _more_ light, less heat. In my experience, the LEDs are (still) too expensive, and I tried and failed with the CFLs. The main problem with the CFLs is they stick out too far (for any decent wattage) so, what happens is that they blind you because you end up seeing the bright bulb outside the shield. Also, that tip of the CFL sticking out tends to break off as these are desk lamps that are moved about. I wonder if they make a high light output small length CFL? |
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On 1/25/2013 3:41 AM, Joe Mastroianni wrote:
In my experience, the LEDs are (still) too expensive, and I tried and failed with the CFLs. When you factor in the cost of operation, LEDs are cheaper than incandescents. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:56:39 +0000 (UTC), Joe Mastroianni
wrote: I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? The type of bulb you are using is probably not giving the light the way you want it. Use a plain incandescent and it will diffuse more rather than hit a localized spot. Better is to buy a new desk light with a flat fluorescent bulb. Mine is four short tubes and gives a nice white bright light. I think mine was about $25. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:56:39 +0000 (UTC), Joe Mastroianni
wrote: I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? 75 watt incandescent bulbs were banned on January 1 of this year. If this is what you're using, you are in violation of the law. Since you posted this to a public newsgroup, your local law officers as well as the FBI know what you're doing. You will likely be arrested in the next 24 hours. The penalty is something like $5000 and 30 days in prison. YOU'RE IN BIG TROUBLE! Install a 75W equivalant CFL bulb and the heat wont be a problem, and you will be legal. You can even use a 100W equivalant CFL. (Then get rid of those 75W incandescent bulbs before the cops arrive.) |
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Joe Mastroianni wrote in :
I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? A lot. When we bought our current home, I had to replace all of the light fixtures in the kitchen because the previous owners had done exactly that: put 75W bulbs in fixtures that were labeled "60W max". When I took the fixtures down to paint the ceiling, I discovered that the excess heat had made the insulation on the fixture wires brittle and hard to the point of cracking and falling off of the conductors. One fixture had an inch and a half of uninsulated wire. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:56:44 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
The type of bulb you are using is probably not giving the light the way you want it. Use a plain incandescent and it will diffuse more rather than hit a localized spot. Maybe I do need to go back to the plain old-style 100W tungsten bulb. This is what the CFL looks like (see how it sticks out). Front view: http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12037559.jpg Side view: http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12037561.jpg |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:57:44 -0600, homeowner wrote:
75 watt incandescent bulbs were banned on January 1 of this year. That's odd. Today I bought the 75 Watt flood you see in the 1st picture. Along with 90W (larger) floods (which were too big for this lamp). And, at the same Home Depot, I saw 200 Watt long-necked incandescent bulbs, and 150Watt 3-way incandescent bulbs for sale ... So, they 'might' be banned - but they're certainly still being sold. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:58:14 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
wrote: My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? A lot. When we bought our current home, I had to replace all of the light fixtures in the kitchen because the previous owners had done exactly that: put 75W bulbs in fixtures that were labeled "60W max". When I took the fixtures down to paint the ceiling, I discovered that the excess heat had made the insulation on the fixture wires brittle and hard to the point of cracking and falling off of the conductors. One fixture had an inch and a half of uninsulated wire. How did you fix that? Just curious. I've run across many like that, and I always tried to replace the whole cable. But thats not always possible without ripping apart the whole house. Other times I had to put an extra box inh the attic and run a few feet of new wire. I've seen lots of guys just tape up those cracked wires, but that's not the best fix. I found another method. Put heat shrink tubing ovet the wires. That works wonders and is easy to do. However if it's the old BX and the wires are cracked right up to the metal sheath, you will likely have problems. You're stuck replacing them. |
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What happens if you put 75 watt bulb in a 60 watt fixture
I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use
a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? *I have seen many overheated light fixtures over the years. Most of them don't start a fire unless they are in close proximity to combustible materials such as curtains or furniture. What usually happens over time is the lamp socket get brittle and cracks, the insulation on the wire gets brittle and cracks and eventually sparks fly out and then I get a call. The 75 watt bulb that you have in the light looks as though it might be a halogen bulb which gets very hot. I would try a 50 watt PAR 20 bulb. It is a small halogen floodlight (Actually they come in flood or spot) and puts out about the same amount of light as a 75 watt incandescent bulb. |
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May we see some figures, and cost projections, please?
I got a couple LED flood lights off Ebay, which were very disappointing. There are some which do a good job. At church they have put in some LED flood lights, the guy tells me they cost $40 or so per bulb, but they sure do a good job of lighting. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Nikola Tesla" wrote in message ... On 1/25/2013 3:41 AM, Joe Mastroianni wrote: In my experience, the LEDs are (still) too expensive, and I tried and failed with the CFLs. When you factor in the cost of operation, LEDs are cheaper than incandescents. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:56:39 +0000 (UTC), Joe Mastroianni wrote:
I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb.... My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. An oversize bulb in a lamp in Mrs. O'Leary's barn is what caused the Great Chicago Fire. |
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On Jan 25, 8:44*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: May we see some figures, and cost projections, please? I got a couple LED flood lights off Ebay, which were very disappointing. There are some which do a good job. At church they have put in some LED flood lights, the guy tells me they cost $40 or so per bulb, but they sure do a good job of lighting. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org . The big leap of faith is that you have to believe they are going to last decades in the typical application to recover the upfront cost. Given my experiences with CFL, I have good reason to doubt the longevity. If they crap out in two years, you're a big loser. |
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"Joe Mastroianni" wrote in message ... I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? If the desk lamp also has a UL or CSA sticker, then a 60 watt bulb was used to test and approve the fixture for electrical and fire safety. Using a 75 watt bulb voids that listing. If you were to have a fire that was traced to the desk lamp and if the fire inspector determined that you had over-wattaged the lamp, then your fire insurance could be disallowed. That's not very likely, of course, but it has happened. As others have mentioned, using a 50 watt halogen PAR 20 might work for you as will using a CFL or LED bulb, but compare the light output values (lumens). Don't go just by the "wattage equivalent" charts. Tomsic |
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"Joe Mastroianni" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:57:44 -0600, homeowner wrote: 75 watt incandescent bulbs were banned on January 1 of this year. That's odd. Today I bought the 75 Watt flood you see in the 1st picture. Along with 90W (larger) floods (which were too big for this lamp). And, at the same Home Depot, I saw 200 Watt long-necked incandescent bulbs, and 150Watt 3-way incandescent bulbs for sale ... So, they 'might' be banned - but they're certainly still being sold. Only the common 100 watt and the 75 watt household bulbs (as of 1/1/13) are being phased out so far and both, of course, have lower-wattage replacements. The 100 watt replacement is rated for 72 watts and they've been on retails shelves for a couple of years now. The 200 watt and 150 watt 3-way bulbs that you see are not being phased out. They're in an "exempt" category which includes decorative, colored and other types which are not widely used. There's not much energy to be saved by regulating them and so they are not affected by the bulb legislation. There was an "unintended consequence" to the bulb phase-out legislation. Bulb choices for consumers actually increased in 2012 and prices of some types (such as CFLs) came down substantially as bulb manufacturers cranked up their competitive product offerings. Tomsic |
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On 1/25/2013 3:41 AM, Joe Mastroianni wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:47:57 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote: Get a CFL or LED for _more_ light, less heat. In my experience, the LEDs are (still) too expensive, and I tried and failed with the CFLs. The main problem with the CFLs is they stick out too far (for any decent wattage) so, what happens is that they blind you because you end up seeing the bright bulb outside the shield. Also, that tip of the CFL sticking out tends to break off as these are desk lamps that are moved about. I wonder if they make a high light output small length CFL? I found this one on a web search: http://www.myschoollights.com/produc...laces-75w-bulb Specs say 4.3" high including base. That might not protrude from the shade of your lamp. I know nothing about this web site but if the bulb is made by Westinghouse, you can probably find it at many vendors. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:48:16 -0500, Tomsic wrote:
They're in an "exempt" category which includes decorative, colored and other types which are not widely used. Makes sense. Bulb choices for consumers actually increased in 2012. Doesn't make sense. How did removing bulb choices increase bulb choices? |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:45:21 -0500, John Grabowski wrote:
The 75 watt bulb that you have in the light looks as though it might be a halogen bulb which gets very hot. I would try a 50 watt PAR 20 bulb. It is a small halogen floodlight (Actually they come in flood or spot) and puts out about the same amount of light as a 75 watt incandescent bulb. It 'is' a halogen, and it 'does' get very hot. And, I guess, lumens are all I want (and compact size so it doesn't stick out of the housing) - so that's a good idea if it works. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:32:46 -0500, Tomsic wrote:
If the desk lamp also has a UL or CSA sticker, then a 60 watt bulb was used to test and approve the fixture for electrical and fire safety. Using a 75 watt bulb voids that listing. Makes sense. But doesn't answer the question. Seems to me bridges are designed to hold twice what they say they can hold. Elevators are the same. A room placard that says a ballroom can legally hold 100 people can 'fit' twice that easily. Speed limits are set but we routinely go twice the speed limit safely (maybe not twice - but the point is the same). A rope rated for 100 pounds can handle ten times that. etc. It seems, to me, a lamp rated at 60 watts must have been tested at twice that (or some large number like that) in order to get the rating. At least that's how 'other' ratings seem to be done. |
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On Friday, January 25, 2013 12:56:39 AM UTC-5, Joe Mastroianni wrote:
I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? I'd say it's 25% over the recommended maximun. But probably not a good idea. Art Harris |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:41:49 +0000 (UTC), Joe Mastroianni
wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:47:57 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote: Get a CFL or LED for _more_ light, less heat. In my experience, the LEDs are (still) too expensive, and I tried and failed with the CFLs. This is just a guess but I bet LED's are cheaper than rebuilding your house after it burns down. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:15:46 -0800, Art Harris wrote:
How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? I'd say it's 25% over the recommended maximun. You are correct. I phrased it incorrectly. 75 Watts is 25% over the maximum of 60 Watts, or, 125% of the maximum. Seems to me, 25% is within the safety zone of ???? (what is the safety zone). I find it hard to believe the safety zone is zero. I suspect it's more like double the rating (i.e., it's probably more like 60 x 2 = 120 Watts) but I'm just guessing. That's why I asked. |
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Joe Mastroianni wrote in news:kdt6qn$t60$1@dont-
email.me: I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? Whats the price of a burned down house? Those limit rules are there for a reason, you know...... |
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Joe Mastroianni wrote in news:kdtto1$39b$2@dont-
email.me: On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:57:44 -0600, homeowner wrote: 75 watt incandescent bulbs were banned on January 1 of this year. That's odd. Today I bought the 75 Watt flood you see in the 1st picture. Along with 90W (larger) floods (which were too big for this lamp). And, at the same Home Depot, I saw 200 Watt long-necked incandescent bulbs, and 150Watt 3-way incandescent bulbs for sale ... So, they 'might' be banned - but they're certainly still being sold. "special" or "artistic" lights are perfectly legal. Its just the ordinairy frosted bulb which is illegal(to sell). Jou can use them for as long as your stockpile lasts. Just dont try to sell them. |
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"Roy" wrote in message ... On Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:56:39 PM UTC-7, Joe Mastroianni wrote: I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? If you (she) insists on using an oversized bulb, be sure the socket is ceramic. If it is plastic, it will have a very short life as it will deteriorate quickly. Also, you may want to change the wire cord to a high temperature wire at least inside the lamp where the heat is. If the switch is part of the bulb socket, the heat may destroy it, it may be wiser to add a line switch on the cord to protect it. If you don't want to start modifying the lamp, you may want to consider purchasing a new one that has the ceramic socket and switch located away from the bulb. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:30:45 -0500, Nikola Tesla
wrote: On 1/25/2013 3:41 AM, Joe Mastroianni wrote: In my experience, the LEDs are (still) too expensive, and I tried and failed with the CFLs. When you factor in the cost of operation, LEDs are cheaper than incandescents. Only if they are used for a significant amount of time. If the light is only used an average of an hour a day or less, the power savings will take the rest of your life to pay for the LED bulb. I still like the LED option - regardless. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:28:24 +0000 (UTC), Joe Mastroianni
wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:15:46 -0800, Art Harris wrote: How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? I'd say it's 25% over the recommended maximun. You are correct. I phrased it incorrectly. 75 Watts is 25% over the maximum of 60 Watts, or, 125% of the maximum. Seems to me, 25% is within the safety zone of ???? (what is the safety zone). I find it hard to believe the safety zone is zero. I suspect it's more like double the rating (i.e., it's probably more like 60 x 2 = 120 Watts) but I'm just guessing. That's why I asked. You're not the brightest light on the tree are you? |
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Joe Mastroianni writes:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:15:46 -0800, Art Harris wrote: How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? I'd say it's 25% over the recommended maximun. You are correct. I phrased it incorrectly. 75 Watts is 25% over the maximum of 60 Watts, or, 125% of the maximum. Seems to me, 25% is within the safety zone of ???? (what is the safety zone). I find it hard to believe the safety zone is zero. I suspect it's more like double the rating (i.e., it's probably more like 60 x 2 = 120 Watts) but I'm just guessing. That's why I asked. A couple of posters shared their experience. I find fixtures even with the correct bulb age over time, parts get brittle and start to fall apart. I definitely would not put a 75W incandescent in a 60W fixture. The risk is no where near the gain. The risk is that your house burns down and the insurance company denies your claim. Find a CFL that doesn't stick out so much or go for the LED. -- Dan Espen |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:07:07 +0000 (UTC), Joe Mastroianni
wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:53:58 -0800, wrote: Given my experiences with CFL, I have good reason to doubt the longevity. If they crap out in two years, you're a big loser. What makes incandescent bulbs wear out? Oxidation of the filament, right? No. The filament evaporates. What makes CFL bulbs wear out? Oxidation of the mercury inside? No. There are a few wearout mechanisms but the worst seems to be crappy capacitors. Fluorescents also have filaments (you can see the ends get dark from the deposited metal). What makes LED bulbs wear out? (something must be wearing out or they'd last forever) Heat. The junctions are pushing the limits of the material for any useful amount of light. Cheap knock-offs are worse. |
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On Jan 25, 12:38*pm, Dan Espen wrote:
Joe Mastroianni writes: On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:15:46 -0800, Art Harris wrote: How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? I'd say it's 25% over the recommended maximun. You are correct. I phrased it incorrectly. 75 Watts is 25% over the maximum of 60 Watts, or, 125% of the maximum. Seems to me, 25% is within the safety zone of ???? (what is the safety zone). I find it hard to believe the safety zone is zero. I suspect it's more like double the rating (i.e., it's probably more like 60 x 2 = 120 Watts) but I'm just guessing. That's why I asked. A couple of posters shared their experience. I find fixtures even with the correct bulb age over time, parts get brittle and start to fall apart. I definitely would not put a 75W incandescent in a 60W fixture. The risk is no where near the gain. *The risk is that your house burns down and the insurance company denies your claim. Oh, good grief, here we go again. The insurance scare stories at it again. Every time this comes up, I've asked where all the examples of this kind of thing happening are. Where are those denied claims? There are what 100 million homes in the USA? If insurance companies were actually denying claims for things like that, it should be easy to come up with examples. I mean if they are gonna deny that, then they might as well deny a claim for the house burning down because you left a pot burning on the stove. Or because you smoked in bed. So, example please? Find a CFL that doesn't stick out so much or go for the LED. -- Dan Espen- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:32:46 -0500, "Tomsic" wrote:
"Joe Mastroianni" wrote in message ... I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? If the desk lamp also has a UL or CSA sticker, then a 60 watt bulb was used to test and approve the fixture for electrical and fire safety. Using a 75 watt bulb voids that listing. If you were to have a fire that was traced to the desk lamp and if the fire inspector determined that you had over-wattaged the lamp, then your fire insurance could be disallowed. Bull**** called. That's not very likely, of course, but it has happened. Citation needed. As others have mentioned, using a 50 watt halogen PAR 20 might work for you as will using a CFL or LED bulb, but compare the light output values (lumens). Don't go just by the "wattage equivalent" charts. Tomsic |
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What happens if you put 75 watt bulb in a 60 watt fixture
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On Jan 25, 12:38Â*pm, Dan Espen wrote: Joe Mastroianni writes: On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:15:46 -0800, Art Harris wrote: How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? I'd say it's 25% over the recommended maximun. You are correct. I phrased it incorrectly. 75 Watts is 25% over the maximum of 60 Watts, or, 125% of the maximum. Seems to me, 25% is within the safety zone of ???? (what is the safety zone). I find it hard to believe the safety zone is zero. I suspect it's more like double the rating (i.e., it's probably more like 60 x 2 = 120 Watts) but I'm just guessing. That's why I asked. A couple of posters shared their experience. I find fixtures even with the correct bulb age over time, parts get brittle and start to fall apart. I definitely would not put a 75W incandescent in a 60W fixture. The risk is no where near the gain. Â*The risk is that your house burns down and the insurance company denies your claim. Oh, good grief, here we go again. The insurance scare stories at it again. Every time this comes up, I've asked where all the examples of this kind of thing happening are. Where are those denied claims? There are what 100 million homes in the USA? If insurance companies were actually denying claims for things like that, it should be easy to come up with examples. I mean if they are gonna deny that, then they might as well deny a claim for the house burning down because you left a pot burning on the stove. Or because you smoked in bed. So, example please? Right, so trader says the insurance company won't deny your claim. Nothing to worry about except the fire then... -- Dan Espen |
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What happens if you put 75 watt bulb in a 60 watt fixture
"Joe Mastroianni" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:48:16 -0500, Tomsic wrote: They're in an "exempt" category which includes decorative, colored and other types which are not widely used. Makes sense. Bulb choices for consumers actually increased in 2012. Doesn't make sense. How did removing bulb choices increase bulb choices? Well in the case of the 100 watt bulb during 2012, the 100 watt was replaced by the 72 watt. It's more efficient and gives about the same amount of light, costs about the same and is rated to last for 1,000 hours, so that's one choice. Another choice is the so-called "2X" bulb that a company called ADLT announced. It gives the same light output as the old 100 watt, but draws only 50 watts and is rated for 1500 hours. That's an additional choice that we didn't have before. Then there are the screw-in CFLs, usually rated for about 26 watts. The prices have come down significantly on those and some are also rated for more light output than the old 100 watt. But it's a 3rd. choice because the types shaped like the old standard bulbs just appeared last year. Finally, about mid-2012, the major lamp companies introduced LED equivalents to the 100 watt also rated about 26 watts. That's a 4th. choice. So, what I see on retailer shelves is that the old 100 watt bulb can now be replaced by 3 or 4 alternatives depending upon what you want -- long life, low initial cost, efficiency, color, dimability, etc. The "2X" isn't in wide distribution yet; but the others are. One bulb disappeared and 3-4 alternatives with various performance options are now on the shelves with the same thing already happening for the 75 watt that's being phased out now except that the alternatives are cheaper and more available. What doesn't seem to make sense is why some people bought stocks of the old 100 watt bulbs and are hoarding them. Tomsic |
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"Joe Mastroianni" wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:32:46 -0500, Tomsic wrote: If the desk lamp also has a UL or CSA sticker, then a 60 watt bulb was used to test and approve the fixture for electrical and fire safety. Using a 75 watt bulb voids that listing. Makes sense. But doesn't answer the question. Seems to me bridges are designed to hold twice what they say they can hold. Elevators are the same. A room placard that says a ballroom can legally hold 100 people can 'fit' twice that easily. Speed limits are set but we routinely go twice the speed limit safely (maybe not twice - but the point is the same). A rope rated for 100 pounds can handle ten times that. etc. It seems, to me, a lamp rated at 60 watts must have been tested at twice that (or some large number like that) in order to get the rating. At least that's how 'other' ratings seem to be done. It isn't that a slightly higher wattage bulb will immediately cause a fire or electrical hazard. That will happen over time due to deteriorated wiring, insulation or structural parts. There are tolerances and variations that are considered in the UL/CSA tests; but it's a pass/fail system so electrical inspectors and fire safety people know what to do. Tomsic |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:32:46 -0500, "Tomsic" wrote: "Joe Mastroianni" wrote in message ... I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? If the desk lamp also has a UL or CSA sticker, then a 60 watt bulb was used to test and approve the fixture for electrical and fire safety. Using a 75 watt bulb voids that listing. If you were to have a fire that was traced to the desk lamp and if the fire inspector determined that you had over-wattaged the lamp, then your fire insurance could be disallowed. Bull**** called. That's not very likely, of course, but it has happened. Citation needed. Likely it was in the "Residential Electrical System Aging Research Report" published by UL a few years ago. I think it's on line. Tomsic |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:56:39 +0000 (UTC), Joe Mastroianni
wrote: I have a desk lamp of the "brave little toaster" style which says to use a 60W bulb. Inside the light, it 'says' 60 watts. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12036539.jpg My wife insists on a 75 Watt flood, which gives the right amount of light, but it gets hot as blazes. How much do you think 125% over the maximum matters? I put 100 watt bubls in my kitchen ceiling fixture with 3 globes keeping the heat in, and over a couple three or 10 years, the plastic around the metal sockets got brittle and fell off in chunks. One socket stopped working too, bad wire connection at the metal socket. I also used a 100 watt bulb in a desk lamp with a cone shaped metal shade, and iover a couple years it damaged the socket, but in this case the built-in switch. The kind of socket that is colinear with the rotating knob that is the switch, (like is used in over the bed headboard lamps with the long salami shaped bulbs) I have to grab the round thing hard and trun hard, to go from on to off and offf to on. The next two notches, which are the same thing are easy, but that makes a full revolution, and the next 2 are very hard again. No fires. And this is 100 for a 60, not 75 for one (the ceiling fixture. The desk lamp may have been designed for 75) BTW, the lamp is probably 50 yeaers old and will last another hundred after I replace the socket/switch. During the really hot weather I had to start using CFL in it or it was too hot to get close too, but the switch was damaged already. |
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