On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:58:12 -0700, Ashton Crusher
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:21:20 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:23:51 -0500, "benick"
wrote:

"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
...
Has anyone changed their minds on the gun control issue? I have not,
I'm still a supporter of the constitution and second amendment.



Better yet does anyone know WHY we have the 2nd amm. ?? (hint... it isn't
hunting or self defense against intruders though those are side benefits)

Well, it is for self defense against anyone who would do you harm,
including the government.

I don't disagree with your statement since I think in practice that's
what the founders would have expected the most likely scenario to be.
However, there is nothing in the second amendment that limits it to
defensive use of arms against the gvt.

Good grief. There is nothing in the second amendment that limits the
use of guns AT ALL. The reason given for the second was the defense
of self. including from and out of control government.

Up until the civil war it was
generally held that states had a right to secede from the Union. When
the South did, the North took up arms against the south to force them
back into the union. Seems kind of ironic inasmuch as the South was
doing the same thing the US did in regard to England.

There was one big difference.

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On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:58:12 -0700, Ashton Crusher
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:21:20 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:23:51 -0500, "benick"
wrote:

"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
m...
Has anyone changed their minds on the gun control issue? I have
not, I'm still a supporter of the constitution and second
amendment.



Better yet does anyone know WHY we have the 2nd amm. ?? (hint... it
isn't hunting or self defense against intruders though those are
side benefits)

Well, it is for self defense against anyone who would do you harm,
including the government.

I don't disagree with your statement since I think in practice that's
what the founders would have expected the most likely scenario to be.
However, there is nothing in the second amendment that limits it to
defensive use of arms against the gvt.

Good grief. There is nothing in the second amendment that limits the
use of guns AT ALL. The reason given for the second was the defense
of self. including from and out of control government.

Up until the civil war it was
generally held that states had a right to secede from the Union. When
the South did, the North took up arms against the south to force them
back into the union. Seems kind of ironic inasmuch as the South was
doing the same thing the US did in regard to England.

There was one big difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts
????

--
Best regards
Han
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On 08 Jan 2013 21:43:48 GMT, Han wrote:

wrote in :

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:58:12 -0700, Ashton Crusher
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:21:20 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:23:51 -0500, "benick"
wrote:

"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
om...
Has anyone changed their minds on the gun control issue? I have
not, I'm still a supporter of the constitution and second
amendment.



Better yet does anyone know WHY we have the 2nd amm. ?? (hint... it
isn't hunting or self defense against intruders though those are
side benefits)

Well, it is for self defense against anyone who would do you harm,
including the government.

I don't disagree with your statement since I think in practice that's
what the founders would have expected the most likely scenario to be.
However, there is nothing in the second amendment that limits it to
defensive use of arms against the gvt.

Good grief. There is nothing in the second amendment that limits the
use of guns AT ALL. The reason given for the second was the defense
of self. including from and out of control government.

Up until the civil war it was
generally held that states had a right to secede from the Union. When
the South did, the North took up arms against the south to force them
back into the union. Seems kind of ironic inasmuch as the South was
doing the same thing the US did in regard to England.

There was one big difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts
????

....and that has relevance exactly how??

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:38:28 -0500, wrote:

On 08 Jan 2013 21:43:48 GMT, Han wrote:

wrote in :

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:58:12 -0700, Ashton Crusher
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:21:20 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:23:51 -0500, "benick"
wrote:

"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
news:i9j6e819ru4us8seqehbock6ftpc5r1mbn@4ax. com...
Has anyone changed their minds on the gun control issue? I have
not, I'm still a supporter of the constitution and second
amendment.



Better yet does anyone know WHY we have the 2nd amm. ?? (hint... it
isn't hunting or self defense against intruders though those are
side benefits)

Well, it is for self defense against anyone who would do you harm,
including the government.

I don't disagree with your statement since I think in practice that's
what the founders would have expected the most likely scenario to be.
However, there is nothing in the second amendment that limits it to
defensive use of arms against the gvt.

Good grief. There is nothing in the second amendment that limits the
use of guns AT ALL. The reason given for the second was the defense
of self. including from and out of control government.

Up until the civil war it was
generally held that states had a right to secede from the Union. When
the South did, the North took up arms against the south to force them
back into the union. Seems kind of ironic inasmuch as the South was
doing the same thing the US did in regard to England.

There was one big difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts
????

...and that has relevance exactly how??

....seditious aliens...

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scooting right along

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:41:13 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:38:28 -0500, wrote:

On 08 Jan 2013 21:43:48 GMT, Han wrote:

wrote in :

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:58:12 -0700, Ashton Crusher
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:21:20 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:23:51 -0500, "benick"
wrote:

"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
news:i9j6e819ru4us8seqehbock6ftpc5r1mbn@4ax .com...
Has anyone changed their minds on the gun control issue? I have
not, I'm still a supporter of the constitution and second
amendment.



Better yet does anyone know WHY we have the 2nd amm. ?? (hint... it
isn't hunting or self defense against intruders though those are
side benefits)

Well, it is for self defense against anyone who would do you harm,
including the government.

I don't disagree with your statement since I think in practice that's
what the founders would have expected the most likely scenario to be.
However, there is nothing in the second amendment that limits it to
defensive use of arms against the gvt.

Good grief. There is nothing in the second amendment that limits the
use of guns AT ALL. The reason given for the second was the defense
of self. including from and out of control government.

Up until the civil war it was
generally held that states had a right to secede from the Union. When
the South did, the North took up arms against the south to force them
back into the union. Seems kind of ironic inasmuch as the South was
doing the same thing the US did in regard to England.

There was one big difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts
????

...and that has relevance exactly how??

...seditious aliens...

You mean like Han?

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On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:41:13 -0800, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:38:28 -0500, wrote:

On 08 Jan 2013 21:43:48 GMT, Han wrote:

wrote in
m:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 00:58:12 -0700, Ashton Crusher
wrote:

On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:21:20 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:23:51 -0500, "benick"
wrote:

"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message
news:i9j6e819ru4us8seqehbock6ftpc5r1mbn@4a x.com...
Has anyone changed their minds on the gun control issue? I
have not, I'm still a supporter of the constitution and second
amendment.



Better yet does anyone know WHY we have the 2nd amm. ?? (hint...
it isn't hunting or self defense against intruders though those
are side benefits)

Well, it is for self defense against anyone who would do you
harm, including the government.

I don't disagree with your statement since I think in practice
that's what the founders would have expected the most likely
scenario to be. However, there is nothing in the second amendment
that limits it to defensive use of arms against the gvt.

Good grief. There is nothing in the second amendment that limits
the use of guns AT ALL. The reason given for the second was the
defense of self. including from and out of control government.

Up until the civil war it was
generally held that states had a right to secede from the Union.
When the South did, the North took up arms against the south to
force them back into the union. Seems kind of ironic inasmuch as
the South was doing the same thing the US did in regard to
England.

There was one big difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts
????

...and that has relevance exactly how??

...seditious aliens...

You mean like Han?

Been away from this group for a while. Now I know why.

There are opinions that the Alien_and_Sedition_Acts nullified the
portions of the second amendment that are often interpreted as allowing
armed resistance to the US government.

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Best regards
Han
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