As we all know, the real reason for increased airport screening is to
know when people are carrying cash, securities, gems or silver/gold from
A to B. Searching your checked luggage for these assets. Backscatter
X-ray machines for seeing through clothing.

Bogus No-Fly-List exists so as to give a public reason why the gov't
must know who is on each plane, flying both domestic and international.
The real reason so they can try to figure out who you really are, what
you really do, who you associate with, and if you are likely to have
unreported income.

Giving themselves laws so they can access your e-mail and cell-phone
records.

They want you to think it's to keep you safe - to be able to find the
terrorists.

When in reality all of this information is feeding into HMRC (in the UK)
and the IRS (in the USA).

Let no dollar of income go undiscoverd, untaxed.

Your rights to privacy, anonymity, liberty and due process be dammed.

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Tax hitmen to track your spending

Up to two million people are to have their credit files secretly checked
under a crackdown on tax evasion to be unveiled by George Osborne to
help raise another £10 billion.

HMRC will today unveil the “successful” results of a pilot programme
involving about 20,000 people which will now be extended nationally.

Credit reference agencies will cross-check details of the income people
declare on their tax returns against their spending patterns to identify
“high” and “medium” risks of both illegal and legal tax avoidance.

People identified to HM Revenue and Customs will then be subject to more
detailed investigations. About two million people are expected to be
scrutinised under the programme, which may lead to privacy concerns.

HMRC will today unveil the “successful” results of a pilot programme
involving about 20,000 people which will now be extended nationally.

Many of those who are expected to be identified are likely to be
self-employed workers who have under-declared their income to the
authorities.

However, those who have benefited from secret windfalls – such as an
inheritance or a bonus – and people with secret offshore accounts could
also be highlighted.

Treasury sources said that “hundreds of millions” are expected to be
raised from the greater use of third-party data, such as that supplied
by credit reference agencies.

Ministers also wish to encourage more whistle-blowers to come forward
with details of offshore bank accounts.

The Treasury is to provide an extra £77 million a year to HMRC over the
next two years to increase its investigative capability. The “affluent
unit” which targets the wealthy is to take on 100 extra staff.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...-spending.html

On Monday, December 3, 2012 9:10:21 AM UTC-5, Winston Churchill wrote:
Your rights to privacy, anonymity, liberty and due process be dammed.

Privacy and anonymity are NOT "rights." You've got the right to not incriminate yourself, but that doesn't mean someone else can't.

Last I checked, tax evasion was a crime. If people were honest and just paid their damn taxes, the government wouldn't have to go to great lengths to catch them.

Between the revenue from people paying their taxes honestly, and not having to spend $$$ to chase down the evaders, we'd be a whole lot better off and overall people would be paying less tax.

On Dec 3, 2:10*pm, Winston Churchill
wrote:
As we all know, the real reason for increased airport screening is to
know when people are carrying cash, securities, gems or silver/gold from
A to B. *Searching your checked luggage for these assets. *Backscatter
X-ray machines for seeing through clothing.

Bogus No-Fly-List exists so as to give a public reason why the gov't
must know who is on each plane, flying both domestic and international.
The real reason so they can try to figure out who you really are, what
you really do, who you associate with, and if you are likely to have
unreported income.

Giving themselves laws so they can access your e-mail and cell-phone
records.

They want you to think it's to keep you safe - to be able to find the
terrorists.

When in reality all of this information is feeding into HMRC (in the UK)
and the IRS (in the USA).

Let no dollar of income go undiscoverd, untaxed.

Your rights to privacy, anonymity, liberty and due process be dammed.

================================================

Tax hitmen to track your spending

Up to two million people are to have their credit files secretly checked
under a crackdown on tax evasion to be unveiled by George Osborne to
help raise another £10 billion.

HMRC will today unveil the “successful” results of a pilot programme
involving about 20,000 people which will now be extended nationally.

Credit reference agencies will cross-check details of the income people
declare on their tax returns against their spending patterns to identify
“high” and “medium” risks of both illegal and legal tax avoidance..

People identified to HM Revenue and Customs will then be subject to more
detailed investigations. About two million people are expected to be
scrutinised under the programme, which may lead to privacy concerns.

HMRC will today unveil the “successful” results of a pilot programme
involving about 20,000 people which will now be extended nationally.

Many of those who are expected to be identified are likely to be
self-employed workers who have under-declared their income to the
authorities.

However, those who have benefited from secret windfalls – such as an
inheritance or a bonus – and people with secret offshore accounts could
also be highlighted.

Treasury sources said that “hundreds of millions” are expected to be
raised from the greater use of third-party data, such as that supplied
by credit reference agencies.

Ministers also wish to encourage more whistle-blowers to come forward
with details of offshore bank accounts.

The Treasury is to provide an extra £77 million a year to HMRC over the
next two years to increase its investigative capability. The “affluent
unit” which targets the wealthy is to take on 100 extra staff.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...umertips/tax/9...

When we move to the completely cashless society, they will have us by
the ********.
We will have to go back to bartering.

wrote:

Your rights to privacy, anonymity, liberty and due process be
dammed.

Privacy and anonymity are NOT "rights." You've got the right to not
incriminate yourself, but that doesn't mean someone else can't.

Does the gov't have the right to demand such information-gathering from
airlines, phone companies, internet service providers and other private
entities?

Does the gov't have the right to dictate security screening practices in
public places, between private parties?

If the gov't made it the law that you had to put a metal detector
outside your front door the next time you held a birthday party for your
kids, and you had to check everyone's ID and submit that info to the
gov't in order to have the party, how would you feel then?

Last I checked, tax evasion was a crime.

Last I checked, unreasonable (if not unnecessary or unjustified) search
and seizure was a violation of your rights.

Are you saying that even if the current insane level of air-travel
security is primarily geared toward spotting patterns that can help the
IRS identify undeclared income - that's ok with you? That you agree
with those tactics because, as you say, tax evasion is a crime?

If people were honest and just paid their damn taxes,
the government wouldn't have to go to great lengths to
catch them.

Maybe the gov't shouldn't be spending so much money on so many unwise
expenditures - such that they need to shake down the citizenry at every
turn to pay for it all.

Between the revenue from people paying their taxes honestly,
and not having to spend $$$ to chase down the evaders,
we'd be a whole lot better off and overall people would be
paying less tax.

You'd be a whole lot better if you didn't start so many illegal wars.

Even the illegal wars you do start were botched and got you nowhere.

Look at what your military spending has gotten you over the past 12
years - you have LESS influence and control in the middle-east now --
and Iran has MORE.

wrote:

Privacy and anonymity are NOT "rights." You've got the right to
not incriminate yourself, but that doesn't mean someone else can't.

What's next?

Telco companies will be required to keep recordings of your phone calls
for two years?

How would that be different than keeping copies of your text messages?

How does any of this NOT make the US a fascist police state?

==================

State and local law enforcement groups want wireless providers to store
detailed information about your SMS messages for at least two years --
in case they're needed for future criminal investigations.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...text-messages/

AT&T, Verizon Wireless, Sprint, and other wireless providers would be
required to record and store information about Americans' private text
messages for at least two years, according to a proposal that police
have submitted to the U.S. Congress.

CNET has learned a constellation of law enforcement groups has asked the
U.S. Senate to require that wireless companies retain that information,
warning that the lack of a current federal requirement "can hinder law
enforcement investigations."

They want an SMS retention requirement to be "considered" during
congressional discussions over updating a 1986 privacy law for the cloud
computing era -- a move that could complicate debate over the measure
and erode support for it among civil libertarians.

As the popularity of text messages has exploded in recent years, so has
their use in criminal investigations and civil lawsuits. They have been
introduced as evidence in armed robbery, cocaine distribution, and wire
fraud prosecutions. In one 2009 case in Michigan, wireless provider
SkyTel turned over the contents of 626,638 SMS messages, a figure
described by a federal judge as "staggering."

Chuck DeWitt, a spokesman for the Major Cities Chiefs Police
Association, which represents the 63 largest U.S. police forces
including New York City, Los Angeles, Miami, and Chicago, said "all such
records should be retained for two years." Some providers, like Verizon,
retain the contents of SMS messages for a brief period of time, while
others like T-Mobile do not store them at all.

Along with the police association, other law enforcement groups making
the request to the Senate include the National District Attorneys'
Association, the National Sheriffs' Association, and the Association of
State Criminal Investigative Agencies, DeWitt said.

"This issue is not addressed in the current proposal before the
committee and yet it will become even more important in the future," the
groups warn.

That's a reference to the Senate Judiciary committee, which approved
sweeping amendments to the Electronic Communications Privacy Act last
week. Unlike earlier drafts, the latest one veers in a very
privacy-protective direction by requiring police to obtain a warrant to
read the contents of e-mail messages; the SMS push by law enforcement
appears to be a way to make sure it includes one of their priorities
too.

It wasn't immediately clear whether the law enforcement proposal is to
store the contents of SMS messages, or only the metadata such as the
sender and receiver phone numbers associated with the messages. Either
way, it's a heap of data: Forrester Research reports that more than 2
trillion SMS messages were sent in the U.S. last year, over 6 billion
SMS messages a day.

On 12/3/2012 9:59 AM, wrote:
On Monday, December 3, 2012 9:10:21 AM UTC-5, Winston Churchill wrote:
Your rights to privacy, anonymity, liberty and due process be dammed.

Privacy and anonymity are NOT "rights." You've got the right to not incriminate yourself, but that doesn't mean someone else can't.

Last I checked, tax evasion was a crime. If people were honest and just paid their damn taxes, the government wouldn't have to go to great lengths to catch them.

Between the revenue from people paying their taxes honestly, and not having to spend $$$ to chase down the evaders, we'd be a whole lot better off and overall people would be paying less tax.


I wouldn't mind paying taxes at all, if my government would serve me
when I asked for help. O_o

TDD