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Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me?
Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. In hot days it can get to 80F. Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. |
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On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 1:12:05 PM UTC-7, Duesenberg wrote:
Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. In hot days it can get to 80F. Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. My advice is install a flow switch on the water line; do not trust the thermostatic safety switch it never works right. |
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On 8/15/2012 1:12 PM, Duesenberg wrote:
Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. In hot days it can get to 80F. Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. solar? it'll cost a fortune for any reasonable sized pool to heat it more than a couple of weeks/year. |
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On 8/15/2012 1:12 PM, Duesenberg wrote:
Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. In hot days it can get to 80F. Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. A heated pool is a system. A pool heat source is a PART of that system. If the mother's checkbook includes paying for the heat, your system gets simpler. If you're paying, you might want to do a LOT of research on the financial implications of a heated pool. There are floating pool covers that absorb more heat from the sun and prevent some of the radiation. Keeping the heat in is as important as adding more heat. This is especially important if you expect 85 degree water in the winter. You can calculate the volume of the pool and how many BTU's it takes to get from 76 to 85F. From then on it's all about losses. Minimize those losses. Solar collectors can be very useful. You might decide that sacrificing a few swimming days or a degree or two, you can save significant operating $$$. The thermal time constant of a pool with proper surface insulation is rather long. You're gonna pay for heat on days/weeks when you won't be using the pool. Do the math on the thermodynamics and talk to people who have heated pools in your area before you dive in. |
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In about 1976 or so, we moved into a house with a pool heater. Gave about 1
degree F per hour of remp rise, hardly worth it. Sounds like a lot of natural gas, for not much benefit. Solar cover might do more for you. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Duesenberg" wrote in message ... Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. In hot days it can get to 80F. Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. |
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On 8/15/2012 5:17 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
In about 1976 or so, we moved into a house with a pool heater. Gave about 1 degree F per hour of remp rise, hardly worth it. Sounds like a lot of natural gas, for not much benefit. Solar cover might do more for you. Already have a new solar cover. |
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On 8/15/2012 5:34 PM, Duesenberg wrote:
On 8/15/2012 5:17 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: In about 1976 or so, we moved into a house with a pool heater. Gave about 1 degree F per hour of remp rise, hardly worth it. Sounds like a lot of natural gas, for not much benefit. Solar cover might do more for you. Already have a new solar cover. Hit send before finishing... Solar cover is great for keeping heat in but the water heats better when the sun shines on it. |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:12:05 -0400, Duesenberg wrote:
Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. In hot days it can get to 80F. Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. Size the gas heater properly based on the pool size and the gas line. Pick the proper BTU, etc. You can place a power vent on an exterior wall for exhaust, same as a tankless water heater installed in a garage.... Solar gives me about 2 extra months of swim time each year, depending on the weather. I know nothing.... -- |
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Solar cover helps retain heat loss. Reduces conduction, convection, evaporation. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Duesenberg" wrote in message ... Solar cover is great for keeping heat in but the water heats better when the sun shines on it. |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 17:39:00 -0400, Duesenberg wrote:
Solar cover is great for keeping heat in but the water heats better when the sun shines on it. I have a solar cover that floats on the pool surface. My utility company even offers rebates to use them. I put solar panels on the roof that are much better for an extra month or three of swim time. The solar cover on the pool surface traps leaves under it after storms, collects piles of dirt and dust on top,. I stopped using it. I'm in the Mojave desert. Being large enough to cover the pool, I may cut it into large size giant Lilly pads that float freely, but give some heat in the early season. -- |
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On 8/15/2012 2:39 PM, Duesenberg wrote:
On 8/15/2012 5:34 PM, Duesenberg wrote: On 8/15/2012 5:17 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: In about 1976 or so, we moved into a house with a pool heater. Gave about 1 degree F per hour of remp rise, hardly worth it. Sounds like a lot of natural gas, for not much benefit. Solar cover might do more for you. Already have a new solar cover. Hit send before finishing... Solar cover is great for keeping heat in but the water heats better when the sun shines on it. There's an interesting discussion he http://www.troublefreepool.com/water...ght-t9604.html |
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On Aug 15, 5:39*pm, Duesenberg wrote:
On 8/15/2012 5:34 PM, Duesenberg wrote: On 8/15/2012 5:17 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: In about 1976 or so, we moved into a house with a pool heater. Gave about 1 degree F per hour of remp rise, hardly worth it. Sounds like a lot of natural gas, for not much benefit. Solar cover might do more for you. Already have a new solar cover. Hit send before finishing... Solar cover is great for keeping heat in but the water heats better when the sun shines on it. To answer your questions, all the gas heaters I've seen are simple stack vent type. All the ones I actually have familiarity with are outside, with the stack just ending about 2ft above the unit housing. The really, really bad news is that these things are MASSIVE. Pool here is 48,000 gallons and has a 400,000 BTU heater. Compare that to the largest residential gas furnace which is probably 120K, maybe 150K, tops. Heating it is just too expensive, so the heater isn't used. You can easily spend thousands of dollars heating a pool. But then here in the nyc area, in summer the pool will be in the low 80s much of the time without heating. I would look at solar. The ballpark guideline is that you need about as much solar collector area as the pool has surface area. I would think that would be plenty to give you the summer boost that you appear to be looking for. Maybe you can get away with less. If you want it do more, ie extend the season, not have it covered when not in use, etc then you would need more. I've seen calculators online that help in that regard. The nice thing with solar is that you have to run the pump a good bit of the time for filtering, so the electric to run the pump is paid for, at least for part of the time. They also have multispeed pumps that can cut the cost of running it substantiallly by using low speed . Using that approach, solar is free compared to using a gas heater. And greener too. However, if you don't have the south or west exposure, no roof space or area on the ground, or can't do it because of aesthetics, then that's a factor too. |
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On 8/15/2012 2:39 PM, Duesenberg wrote:
On 8/15/2012 5:34 PM, Duesenberg wrote: On 8/15/2012 5:17 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: In about 1976 or so, we moved into a house with a pool heater. Gave about 1 degree F per hour of remp rise, hardly worth it. Sounds like a lot of natural gas, for not much benefit. Solar cover might do more for you. Already have a new solar cover. Hit send before finishing... Solar cover is great for keeping heat in but the water heats better when the sun shines on it. Here's another http://www.eere.energy.gov/consumer/.../mytopic=13140 |
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On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 16:12:05 -0400, Duesenberg wrote:
Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. In hot days it can get to 80F. Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. Put a solar loop on your (south facing) roof, connected into your circulating pump circuit - will keep your pool toasty most of the season (Waterloo Ontario) assuming the roof is not fully shaded by trees. |
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On Aug 15, 4:12*pm, Duesenberg wrote:
Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wouldn't have a pool without it. 85 is a pretty good temp but we extend the season into the 50's and I run that sucker up to 89. It's like a 20K gallon hot tub. We're on our second Raypak, love it. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? *Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. You'll Google that, but I don't know why you'd want to keep the heater indoors. ----- - gpsman |
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Duesenberg writes:
Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. In hot days it can get to 80F. Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. For 15K gallons above ground, I use Hayward's smallest gas heater. I'm in NJ but only get a few hours of sun on the pool. Somewhere around 86F the pool becomes very comfortable. Like all things pool related, heaters don't last forever and need occasional repair. I'm on my second one. I don't find they extend the season at all. Who wants to use a pool when the air temp gets below 75F? -- Dan Espen |
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Dan Espen wrote the following on 8/15/2012 10:43 PM (ET):
Duesenberg writes: Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. In hot days it can get to 80F. Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. For 15K gallons above ground, I use Hayward's smallest gas heater. I'm in NJ but only get a few hours of sun on the pool. Somewhere around 86F the pool becomes very comfortable. Like all things pool related, heaters don't last forever and need occasional repair. I'm on my second one. I don't find they extend the season at all. Who wants to use a pool when the air temp gets below 75F? The same type of people who clean the snow off the cover of their hot tub on the rear deck in the NE winter so they can get in the warm water. But in the pool, you can do laps. You just don't get out and stand around while wet. :-) -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeros after @ |
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On 8/15/2012 4:12 PM, Duesenberg wrote:
Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. In hot days it can get to 80F. Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. All right, here's my 2 cents. Been doing this for 15 years, not pool heaters exclusively, but installation, maintenance and repair of propane appliances. Look at Sta-Rite heaters. They aren't as large as other brands (BTU vs BTU), are power vented, and can be vented out a side wall if installed inside. The biggest issue is lack of care in the fall as critters will find a way inside and wreak havoc with insulation and wiring. I suggest to customers that they wrap the heater as tightly as possible and spread some moth balls or other rodent repellant to minimize invasion. As far as heating goes, about one and a half degrees per hour is average. A solar cover will help maintain the temp and you will use less energy maintaining the temperature than letting the temp drop and trying to reheat. |
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Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me?
Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. In hot days it can get to 80F. Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. *I have a few customers with pool heaters and most of the time they don't use them except for parties due to operating costs. I have heard that painting the bottom of the pool black will help boost the temperature slightly. One customer has an array of solar water heater panels (More like mats) on the lawn next to the pool, but I don't know how well it works. As with anything that is heated, including your house, you need to minimize the heat loss to keep the expense down. You already have a cover to help with this. All of the gas heaters that I have seen are outdoors near the pool pump. |
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On Aug 15, 10:43*pm, Dan Espen wrote:
Duesenberg writes: Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. *In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... *I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. *Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. *In hot days it can get to 80F. *Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? *Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. For 15K gallons above ground, I use Hayward's smallest gas heater. I'm in NJ but only get a few hours of sun on the pool. Somewhere around 86F the pool becomes very comfortable. Like all things pool related, heaters don't last forever and need occasional repair. *I'm on my second one. I don't find they extend the season at all. *Who wants to use a pool when the air temp gets below 75F? -- Dan Espen- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Some of my best times in an outdoor pool have been when it's below freezing outside. Some of the ski resorts have them and it's really nice. Sipping a beverage of your choice, a cigar perhaps, snow flakes falling, steam rising, sun setting..... |
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On Aug 16, 6:23*am, Tom Lachance
A solar cover will help maintain the temp and you will use less energy maintaining the temperature than letting the temp drop and trying to reheat.- Hide quoted text - In my world there is no science that supports that it takes less energy to heat a pool continously as opposed to letting the temp drop and then reheating. It's just like setting back the temp in a house. Unless you have different energy sources at different times or different energy rates, you're always going to save money by letting the temp drop, then reheating. |
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On Aug 16, 6:24*am, "John Grabowski" wrote:
Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. *In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... *I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. *Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. *In hot days it can get to 80F. *Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? *Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. *I have a few customers with pool heaters and most of the time they don't use them except for parties due to operating costs. *I have heard that painting the bottom of the pool black will help boost the temperature slightly. *One customer has an array of solar water heater panels (More like mats) on the lawn next to the pool, but I don't know how well it works. *As with anything that is heated, including your house, you need to minimize the heat loss to keep the expense down. *You already have a cover to help with this. *All of the gas heaters that I have seen are outdoors near the pool pump.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It's rare to see them used here in NJ too. A lot of people have them, but very few use them due to the cost. OP says there is no room on the roof for solar. Another option would be to install them on an angled wood frame. But that only works if you have good south or west exposure, room, can hide it somewhat, etc. There is yet another option. It would not be my first choice, but there is a company that sells a solar heater that goes in the ATTIC. It's basicly a heat exchanger with a powerful fan that the pool water gets pumped through. With a 32F delta between the pool water temp and the attic air it delivers 60K BTUs. So, if the attic is 107F, and the pool is 75F, you're getting 60K BTU for free. Whether it can work depends on how big the attic is, how hot the attic gets, where the attic is versus the pool, size of the pool and if it's covered. Google solar attic pool heater if interested. |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 08:08:57 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Aug 16, 6:23*am, Tom Lachance A solar cover will help maintain the temp and you will use less energy maintaining the temperature than letting the temp drop and trying to reheat.- Hide quoted text - In my world there is no science that supports that it takes less energy to heat a pool continously as opposed to letting the temp drop and then reheating. It's just like setting back the temp in a house. Unless you have different energy sources at different times or different energy rates, you're always going to save money by letting the temp drop, then reheating. But think of the solar cover as insulation. They really do help. In NY, I could regulate the temperature within about a +/- 4 degree window using the pump (night or day) and the solar cover. I liked the water about 78-80F unless it was above 90F and then maybe up to 82-84F. |
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On Aug 15, 10:43Â*pm, Dan Espen wrote: Duesenberg writes: Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. Â*In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... Â*I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Â*Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. Â*In hot days it can get to 80F. Â*Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Â*Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. For 15K gallons above ground, I use Hayward's smallest gas heater. I'm in NJ but only get a few hours of sun on the pool. Somewhere around 86F the pool becomes very comfortable. Like all things pool related, heaters don't last forever and need occasional repair. Â*I'm on my second one. I don't find they extend the season at all. Â*Who wants to use a pool when the air temp gets below 75F? -- Dan Espen- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Some of my best times in an outdoor pool have been when it's below freezing outside. Some of the ski resorts have them and it's really nice. Sipping a beverage of your choice, a cigar perhaps, snow flakes falling, steam rising, sun setting..... I'm betting you didn't get out of the pool and put the solar cover back on while dripping wet. :) -- Dan Espen |
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On Aug 16, 1:03*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 12:25:36 -0400, Dan Espen wrote: " writes: On Aug 15, 10:43*pm, Dan Espen wrote: Duesenberg writes: Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. *In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... *I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. *Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. *In hot days it can get to 80F. *Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? *Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. For 15K gallons above ground, I use Hayward's smallest gas heater. I'm in NJ but only get a few hours of sun on the pool. Somewhere around 86F the pool becomes very comfortable. Like all things pool related, heaters don't last forever and need occasional repair. *I'm on my second one. I don't find they extend the season at all. *Who wants to use a pool when the air temp gets below 75F? -- Dan Espen- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Some of my best times in an outdoor pool have been when it's below freezing outside. *Some of the ski resorts have them and it's really nice. Sipping a beverage of your choice, *a cigar perhaps, snow flakes falling, steam rising, sun setting..... I'm betting you didn't get out of the pool and put the solar cover back on while dripping wet. :) These commercial pools don't use covers and they pass on the cost to the customers. It is also deductible on their taxes. They have heated pools at the country club my wife runs. A small pool will have a 5 ton heat pump that will get them about 20 degrees (F) above ambient air, running all the time. Wind will cut that delta considerably.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Which raises another possibility, ie a heat pump based pool heater. I've never seen one around here. But depending on electricity costs in Canada, pool size, etc it might be an option. |
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On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 06:24:30 -0400, "John Grabowski"
wrote: Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. In hot days it can get to 80F. Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. *I have a few customers with pool heaters and most of the time they don't use them except for parties due to operating costs. I have heard that painting the bottom of the pool black will help boost the temperature slightly. One customer has an array of solar water heater panels (More like mats) on the lawn next to the pool, but I don't know how well it works. As with anything that is heated, including your house, you need to minimize the heat loss to keep the expense down. You already have a cover to help with this. All of the gas heaters that I have seen are outdoors near the pool pump. A friend just installed a "lap pool" with about half of the pool only about 6 inches deep, with black granite tile on the bottom. The pump moves the water over the black shallow into the main pool - heating the pool quite effectively. |
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On Aug 16, 3:23*am, Tom Lachance wrote:
On 8/15/2012 4:12 PM, Duesenberg wrote: Anyone have any pool heater info they wanna share with me? Wifey has been lobbying for a heater and is armed with her mother's chequebook. *In the interest of staying married I've caved in and decided that a heater might be a good thing for our kids... *I just agreed to this 15 minutes ago, so haven't Googled anything yet. Pool dimensions are 16 x 32 x 10 feet deep (3 feet at shallow end). Ontario Canada. *Typically our water is heated by the sun to 23 or 24, which I think is 76F. *In hot days it can get to 80F. *Want a heater that will give us 29 to 30 which I think is 85F but if not, at least to maintain 80F. Natural gas. Chlorine, Sand filter. One other question, are these things power vent or pvc exhaust or are they stack exhaust? *Want to keep indoors but wonder about air breathing. All right, here's my 2 cents. Been doing this for 15 years, not pool heaters exclusively, but installation, maintenance and repair of propane appliances. Look at Sta-Rite heaters. They aren't as large as other brands (BTU vs BTU), are power vented, and can be vented out a side wall if installed inside. The biggest issue is lack of care in the fall as critters will find a way inside and wreak havoc with insulation and wiring. I suggest to customers that they wrap the heater as tightly as possible and spread some moth balls or other rodent repellant to minimize invasion. As far as heating goes, about one and a half degrees per hour is average. A solar cover will help maintain the temp and you will use less energy maintaining the temperature than letting the temp drop and trying to reheat. you will use less energy maintaining the temperature than letting the temp drop and trying to reheat. This statement is incorrect. If it were true why would setback thermostats be made? Thought experiment: If I left the pool heater on for two weeks while I was gone on vacation, I'd use less energy than if I turned it off for two weeks and reheated upon return? Not likely. cheers Bob |
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