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The solution is to roll back a bunch of laws,
and encourage law abiding citizens to carry privately owned firearms. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message news I have no idea what the solution may be, but making more laws and stopping the sale of certain weapons at this point is not going to stop gun related crimes. |
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So, so true.
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "G. Morgan" wrote in message news Sad part is, the 'hero' might spend his life in prison for doing the right thing to save his life or others. |
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harryagain wrote: More likely killed a few more kids. Then it's a good thing you don't own a gun. |
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I can easily imagine a DA prosecuting armed citizen who saved lives.
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Dustin" wrote in message news:XnsA0988F0176393HHI2948AJD832@no... Sad part is, the 'hero' might spend his life in prison for doing the right thing to save his life or others. While certainly possible, because they've broken the law by keeping themselves armed; I wouldn't think any district attorney in that area would follow thru if he had saved lives. |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 20:14:37 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: During the Colorado shooting, wasn't there one person who said "Oh, well, I'm dead anyway" and charged, and tackled the shooter? Or did they all run ad hide? I guess not? What makes you think none of the dead did try just that. There were some military among the dead for one thing. Some died shielding others. But you call them all cowards. Yet our beloved troll thinks this is a joke and HE would be a hero if only he had the chance. This is the same troll that wrote he passed the scene of an accident without stopping to help or even phone the police. He explained this was OK because his Mormon "spirit" didn't speak to him and tell him to stop. |
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On Jul 22, 8:33*am, Evan wrote:
On Jul 22, 7:58*am, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: The "lets roll" guy thought he was on air plane ride. Got to be prepared to take action, when the moment happens. *Why would a guy with a CC */ CHL permit be any different than the unprepared sheeple? (Training, mindset, preparation, and....) Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org . "Richard" wrote in message om... I think it's a little unfair to ask that of civilians. They thought they were going to a movie. But one guy with a CC permit and a clear line of fire might have saved some lives that day. ROFL... Seriously ? *Those careful planners who go off on these shooting sprees rarely envision resistance so if anyone had begun shooting back he could have stopped and fled... To say that only a police officer with training and experience could have done anything: I say bull****... *There are just as many cases where the police shoot innocent people who are bystanders or completely air condition a suspect's car when one or two shots is all that was called for... Hate to a agree with Evan but on this one he's right. http://articles.latimes.com/2005/may...cal/me-chase10 Lots more examples but this is an extreme one. Approximately 120 rounds fired..... "suspect" hit four times; finger, toe & shoulder. cheers Bob |
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On Jul 22, 8:51*am, "harryagain" wrote:
"Richard" wrote in message MAJOR SNIP Why would anyone go to see it at midnight? Why indeed would they go at all? It's an "opening night event"...... people do it so they can be among the first to see a new movie. I did it YEARS ago (like 20) with my wife & kids to see Dick Tracy....the theater gave out T-shirts. It's called 'fun'. Now that I'm old, I don't do that sort of thing so much. cheers Bob |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:46:18 -0500, G. Morgan
wrote: Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in m: So you either follow the law, or violate the law. As a law abiding person..those people followed the law..and died or were wounded as a result. End result. they're dead now. No undo. Some laws should not be followed. Laws which go against logic. Just because something is made a law, does NOT make it a just/right law. Following it becuase it's a law, until you can "change" it, is the sheeple mentality. And as you can see, that can get you killed these days. Sad part is, the 'hero' might spend his life in prison for doing the right thing to save his life or others. C'mon. I know you are smarter than that. Every law has a gray area. Laws are not just written in "black and white". BTDT -- |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:50:08 +0100, "harryagain"
wrote: snip But one guy with a CC permit and a clear line of fire might have saved some lives that day. snip The key word is might. It is worthwhile to review the circumstances: (1) It was dark (pitch black). (2) The area was packed with people. (3) The shooter was wearing full body armor and a gas mask. (4) The shooter had just thrown at least one tear gas grenade, and many of the people in the immediate area were having trouble even breathing, let alone seeing the shooter to get a sight picture, even with a red dot laser sight. (5) Many of the people thought it was some sort of publicity stunt at the start. (6) When you are with your family in a movie you are not in the "psyched up" combat mode (or if you are, you need counseling and/or meds before you have a heart attack or stroke). (7) The typical concealed carry weapon is a 32/380 or at most a 9 mm, any of which is highly doubtful to make much of an impression on a pumped up shooter, possibly on drugs, wearing body armor. A high energy/high penetration weapon/round effective against body armor and/or with sufficient "knock down", such as a FMJ 38 super automatic (CIP designation) would have extreme danger of over penetration and ricochet in a dense movie crowd. (8) IMNSHO -- given the uncertain circumstances and great danger of collateral damage, even a SWAT trained professional would have hesitated to open fire, and would have difficulty in target acquisition. FWIW -- I am reposting below an earlier observation about the laxity of investigation from an epistemological standpoint, ==given the increasing frequency, magnitude and total illogic of recent shooting and assault incidents.== ===== repeat of earlier posting ===== The usual rhetoric will now spew from the demagogs and rabble-rousers of both the right and the left, the results of which will be the traditional debate about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and resolve nothing, while generating large campaign contributions. == This incident, particularly on top of other recent incidents, given the detailed preparations and planning, is far past a "**** happens" explication. == Clearly there is a serious and growing problem of unprovoked and random violence, which is rapidly escalating in both frequency and magnitude, but what concrete investigative steps have been or are being taken, not only in this instance, but nationwide? ==Is the CDC involved in epidemiological analysis of these incidents, and if not, why not?== * Were blood samples taken from the suspect on arrest and analyzed for known =and more importantly unknown= substances? Is some sort of "super bath salts" or drug combination/cocktail loose on the streets? * Were CAT scans made of the suspect's head looking for brain damage, changes and abnormalities? Is there a new infectious agent involved or have new street drugs caused organic brain damage/changes? * Has the suspect been psychologically analyzed or tested, particularly for some sort of mind control or post hypnotic suggestion, possibly in combination with the known/unknown substances in his blood? Have terrorists developed a real life "Manchurian Candidate" process? * How frequently did the suspect play video games and what types/brands were these? Is this a copycat crime based on a video game fantasy? * In as far as it is possible to determine, was the suspect's diet in way unique or unusual, for example habitually consuming large amounts of a particular soft drink or snack? Lets cut the crap, and get the facts... =============== -- Unka' George "Gold is the money of kings, silver is the money of gentlemen, barter is the money of peasants, but debt is the money of slaves" -Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium" |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:03:34 -0400, "
wrote: Why would anyone go to see it at midnight? Because it was the first showing. It's a common occurrence for "blockbusters". Why indeed would they go at all? Why do you come here? He wants an America education? He is in my turd file :-\ -- |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:06:57 -0400, "
wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 09:09:41 -0700, Oren wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 07:29:51 -0700 (PDT), Harry K wrote: On Jul 22, 6:16*am, bob haller wrote: assault type weapons should be banned nationwide. theres no need for them...... sadly they were outlawed for awile but were allowed again Great! Now come up with a legal definition of an "assault type weapon". Noone has been able to do that yet. Harry K The media has. If it is black then it's an assault weapon. Now they use a wall chart for identification, http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/71230.bmp The bottom ones on the left side are "SUVs". Commonly called an AK-47. -- |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:59:10 GMT, Dustin
wrote: Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Same with insurance ........ -- |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:57:02 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: I can easily imagine a DA prosecuting armed citizen who saved lives. This isn't the UK. |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:17:10 -0700, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:59:10 GMT, Dustin wrote: Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Same with insurance ........ Is there a difference? |
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bob haller wrote in news:5914743e-d05b-458a-a8a7-
: assault type weapons should be banned nationwide. theres no need for them...... How well is the ban on cocaine and meth working? |
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On 7/21/12 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
During the Colorado shooting, wasn't there one person who said "Oh, well, I'm dead anyway" and charged, and tackled the shooter? Or did they all run ad hide? I guess not? Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . Well, three men died protecting their women if this is accurate: http://tinyurl.com/c9sj52m "Greater love hath no man........" |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
The right to keep and bear arms is not based on "need". It is based on the necessity for a well regulated militia. |
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"Evan" wrote in message ... On Jul 22, 7:58 am, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: The "lets roll" guy thought he was on air plane ride. Got to be prepared to take action, when the moment happens. Why would a guy with a CC / CHL permit be any different than the unprepared sheeple? (Training, mindset, preparation, and....) Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "Richard" wrote in message m... I think it's a little unfair to ask that of civilians. They thought they were going to a movie. But one guy with a CC permit and a clear line of fire might have saved some lives that day. ROFL... Seriously ? Those careful planners who go off on these shooting sprees rarely envision resistance so if anyone had begun shooting back he could have stopped and fled... To say that only a police officer with training and experience could have done anything: I say bull****... There are just as many cases where the police shoot innocent people who are bystanders or completely air condition a suspect's car when one or two shots is all that was called for... Actually citizens shoot more than double the bad guys police do, while police shoot 6 times as many innocent bystanders as citizens do. |
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"bob haller" wrote in message ... assault type weapons should be banned nationwide. theres no need for them...... sadly they were outlawed for awile but were allowed again LOL Another ignorant moron surfaces My fists and even more important, my brain, are "assault type weapons" if I choose to make them such The "Assault Weapon Ban" of 1994 was ALL about COSMETIC appearance, and had NOTHING to do with the capabilities of said weapons. Also the law was a COMPLETE FAILURE in terms of having ANY EFFECT in reducing crime. It was nothing but superficial pap for ignorati such as you. |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:07:09 -0700, "Bob F" wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote: The right to keep and bear arms is not based on "need". It is based on the necessity for a well regulated militia. We all know that you're an illiterate lefty. No need to telegraph the fact daily. |
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"harryagain" wrote in message ... "Richard" wrote in message m... On 7/21/2012 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: During the Colorado shooting, wasn't there one person who said "Oh, well, I'm dead anyway" and charged, and tackled the shooter? Or did they all run ad hide? I guess not? Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . I think it's a little unfair to ask that of civilians. They thought they were going to a movie. But one guy with a CC permit and a clear line of fire might have saved some lives that day. More likely killed a few more kids. Only if he was an ignorant moron like you And when on considers that citizens, while shooting more than double the number of criminals than the police , only shoot 1/6 the number of innocent bystanders than the police. |
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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
: I can easily imagine a DA prosecuting armed citizen who saved lives. Of course. You don't know how to quote and respond, so I can imagine you're imagination is wild. Peter pan wild. Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org Learn to quote properly.. Signatures go at the bottom of your messages... X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 You're using a client that can do this. You're actually doing this stupid **** by hand. -- I don't need no arms around me. And I dont need no drugs to calm me. I have seen the writing on the wall. Don't think I need anything at all. No! Don't think I'll need anything at all. All in all it was all just bricks in the wall. All in all you were all just bricks in the wall. Pink Floyd Another Brick in the Wall part 3 |
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"harryagain" wrote in message ... "Richard" wrote in message m... On 7/21/2012 7:26 PM, Richard wrote: On 7/21/2012 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: During the Colorado shooting, wasn't there one person who said "Oh, well, I'm dead anyway" and charged, and tackled the shooter? Or did they all run ad hide? I guess not? Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . I think it's a little unfair to ask that of civilians. They thought they were going to a movie. But one guy with a CC permit and a clear line of fire might have saved some lives that day. Problem is - such a person would not likely have been going to see that movie at midnight... Why would anyone go to see it at midnight? Why indeed would they go at all? Many moons ago, I've been to a few showings of The Rocky Horror Picture Show at midnight. And they were a lot of fun. Particularly when you have a girlfriend who is an actress and has access to cool costumes. |
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Gunner Asch wrote in
: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:39:29 GMT, Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in m: So you either follow the law, or violate the law. As a law abiding person..those people followed the law..and died or were wounded as a result. End result. they're dead now. No undo. Some laws should not be followed. Laws which go against logic. Just because something is made a law, does NOT make it a just/right law. Following it becuase it's a law, until you can "change" it, is the sheeple mentality. And as you can see, that can get you killed these days. Im not sure its a sheeple mentality. Afterall..would one actually expect there to be any chance of such an event actually occuring? It is a sheeple mentality. They don't think things can go bad. Things can, they do... You should be prepared for it. One shouldn't have to worry about going to a burger joint or anything else and getting shot at, but it happens. Yes..they took their chances by going. But the chances were fantasticly low, in all seriousness. They had a much..much larger chance of being hit by a meteor or falling airliner than having such an event happen. I'm not so sure anymore. More and more people are losing it and going postal. I dont carry a firearm because of the odds..I carry one because of the risks. I carry because you never know who you're going to run into. We have a road rage problem here locally. I've had an individual take a shot or two at me and I wasn't even the vehicle that cut him off. I found out tho, that my old van makes for a fairly okay small weapons fire shield, and allows me to disable the offending vehicle easily. He spun out and ate some of that new metal cable they have to seperate lanes of traffic. I didn't stop to see if he was okay. I'd say by the crash, roll and cable slicing into the car, he probably wasn't doing so good. He was along side me, and fired at me man...His first shot came into the cab and took out my passenger window! I hit the brakes and pulled a hard left, right into his car. As soon as I felt the hit, I mashed the gas and turned into it. Big block saved my hide; she pushed hard. 90 model 3/4 ton straight 6300bigblock, 410 gearing. no overdrive. Commercial grade, full cage. Built tough. I know atleast two cars stopped behind us; I could see them in my mirrors.. I don't know why he fired at me, but I know it was damn close and I could have been killed that day. I'm not sorry I used my van as a weapon, I was acting in what I felt was self defense. Hit him, so he can't squeeze another round off. I couldn't run from him. He'd easily overtake me. -- I don't need no arms around me. And I dont need no drugs to calm me. I have seen the writing on the wall. Don't think I need anything at all. No! Don't think I'll need anything at all. All in all it was all just bricks in the wall. All in all you were all just bricks in the wall. Pink Floyd Another Brick in the Wall part 3 |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:38:27 GMT, Dustin wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote in : On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:39:29 GMT, Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in : So you either follow the law, or violate the law. As a law abiding person..those people followed the law..and died or were wounded as a result. End result. they're dead now. No undo. Some laws should not be followed. Laws which go against logic. Just because something is made a law, does NOT make it a just/right law. Following it becuase it's a law, until you can "change" it, is the sheeple mentality. And as you can see, that can get you killed these days. Im not sure its a sheeple mentality. Afterall..would one actually expect there to be any chance of such an event actually occuring? It is a sheeple mentality. They don't think things can go bad. Things can, they do... You should be prepared for it. One shouldn't have to worry about going to a burger joint or anything else and getting shot at, but it happens. Yes..they took their chances by going. But the chances were fantasticly low, in all seriousness. They had a much..much larger chance of being hit by a meteor or falling airliner than having such an event happen. I'm not so sure anymore. More and more people are losing it and going postal. I dont carry a firearm because of the odds..I carry one because of the risks. I carry because you never know who you're going to run into. We have a road rage problem here locally. I've had an individual take a shot or two at me and I wasn't even the vehicle that cut him off. I found out tho, that my old van makes for a fairly okay small weapons fire shield, and allows me to disable the offending vehicle easily. He spun out and ate some of that new metal cable they have to seperate lanes of traffic. I didn't stop to see if he was okay. I'd say by the crash, roll and cable slicing into the car, he probably wasn't doing so good. He was along side me, and fired at me man...His first shot came into the cab and took out my passenger window! I hit the brakes and pulled a hard left, right into his car. As soon as I felt the hit, I mashed the gas and turned into it. Big block saved my hide; she pushed hard. 90 model 3/4 ton straight 6300bigblock, 410 gearing. no overdrive. Commercial grade, full cage. Built tough. I know atleast two cars stopped behind us; I could see them in my mirrors.. I don't know why he fired at me, but I know it was damn close and I could have been killed that day. I'm not sorry I used my van as a weapon, I was acting in what I felt was self defense. Hit him, so he can't squeeze another round off. I couldn't run from him. He'd easily overtake me. Did you get arrested for leaving the scene? |
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On 7/22/2012 5:29 PM, Atila Iskander wrote:
"harryagain" wrote in message ... "Richard" wrote in message m... On 7/21/2012 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: During the Colorado shooting, wasn't there one person who said "Oh, well, I'm dead anyway" and charged, and tackled the shooter? Or did they all run ad hide? I guess not? Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . I think it's a little unfair to ask that of civilians. They thought they were going to a movie. But one guy with a CC permit and a clear line of fire might have saved some lives that day. More likely killed a few more kids. Only if he was an ignorant moron like you And when on considers that citizens, while shooting more than double the number of criminals than the police , only shoot 1/6 the number of innocent bystanders than the police. I'd appreciate a but of snippage there. It would be nice to be clear who you were calling names. |
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On 7/22/2012 4:58 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 7/21/12 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: During the Colorado shooting, wasn't there one person who said "Oh, well, I'm dead anyway" and charged, and tackled the shooter? Or did they all run ad hide? I guess not? Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . Well, three men died protecting their women if this is accurate: http://tinyurl.com/c9sj52m "Greater love hath no man........" Absolutely. |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:32:31 -0500, "Atila Iskander"
wrote: "harryagain" wrote in message ... "Richard" wrote in message m... On 7/21/2012 7:26 PM, Richard wrote: On 7/21/2012 7:14 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: During the Colorado shooting, wasn't there one person who said "Oh, well, I'm dead anyway" and charged, and tackled the shooter? Or did they all run ad hide? I guess not? Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . I think it's a little unfair to ask that of civilians. They thought they were going to a movie. But one guy with a CC permit and a clear line of fire might have saved some lives that day. Problem is - such a person would not likely have been going to see that movie at midnight... Why would anyone go to see it at midnight? Why indeed would they go at all? Many moons ago, I've been to a few showings of The Rocky Horror Picture Show at midnight. And they were a lot of fun. Particularly when you have a girlfriend who is an actress and has access to cool costumes. So you dressed up in her undies? ;-) |
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" wrote in
: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:38:27 GMT, Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in m: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:39:29 GMT, Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in m: So you either follow the law, or violate the law. As a law abiding person..those people followed the law..and died or were wounded as a result. End result. they're dead now. No undo. Some laws should not be followed. Laws which go against logic. Just because something is made a law, does NOT make it a just/right law. Following it becuase it's a law, until you can "change" it, is the sheeple mentality. And as you can see, that can get you killed these days. Im not sure its a sheeple mentality. Afterall..would one actually expect there to be any chance of such an event actually occuring? It is a sheeple mentality. They don't think things can go bad. Things can, they do... You should be prepared for it. One shouldn't have to worry about going to a burger joint or anything else and getting shot at, but it happens. Yes..they took their chances by going. But the chances were fantasticly low, in all seriousness. They had a much..much larger chance of being hit by a meteor or falling airliner than having such an event happen. I'm not so sure anymore. More and more people are losing it and going postal. I dont carry a firearm because of the odds..I carry one because of the risks. I carry because you never know who you're going to run into. We have a road rage problem here locally. I've had an individual take a shot or two at me and I wasn't even the vehicle that cut him off. I found out tho, that my old van makes for a fairly okay small weapons fire shield, and allows me to disable the offending vehicle easily. He spun out and ate some of that new metal cable they have to seperate lanes of traffic. I didn't stop to see if he was okay. I'd say by the crash, roll and cable slicing into the car, he probably wasn't doing so good. He was along side me, and fired at me man...His first shot came into the cab and took out my passenger window! I hit the brakes and pulled a hard left, right into his car. As soon as I felt the hit, I mashed the gas and turned into it. Big block saved my hide; she pushed hard. 90 model 3/4 ton straight 6300bigblock, 410 gearing. no overdrive. Commercial grade, full cage. Built tough. I know atleast two cars stopped behind us; I could see them in my mirrors.. I don't know why he fired at me, but I know it was damn close and I could have been killed that day. I'm not sorry I used my van as a weapon, I was acting in what I felt was self defense. Hit him, so he can't squeeze another round off. I couldn't run from him. He'd easily overtake me. Did you get arrested for leaving the scene? What are the witnesses going to say? "Hey, it was a white van with a ladder rack and it ran off." So uhh, no. -- I don't need no arms around me. And I dont need no drugs to calm me. I have seen the writing on the wall. Don't think I need anything at all. No! Don't think I'll need anything at all. All in all it was all just bricks in the wall. All in all you were all just bricks in the wall. Pink Floyd Another Brick in the Wall part 3 |
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Evan wrote:
Which will only come back to bite them on the ass in the end... By restricting the patrons ability to defend themselves using personally carried lawful firearms the theater assumes the duty-of-care to ensure it's patrons safety to offset that restriction it chose to impose upon its patrons... Please cite the relevant case law in Colorado. Also I don't believe that there is any such policy in effect which is zero exceptions... Off-duty law enforcement officers are often required by law to be armed at all times, the private property owner could not legally refuse such a person entry or purchase of goods... If the theater makes that one exception then legally they can not bar anyone else in lawful possession of a firearm entry as that would be a discriminatory policy and restricting citizen's constitutional rights and offers the establishment no protection from criminals who illegally carry weapons in violation of the law, let alone the policies of some store or business... Please cite the relevant case law in Colorado. I don't think you can. -- Doug |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:53:39 GMT, Dustin wrote:
" wrote in : On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:38:27 GMT, Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in : On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:39:29 GMT, Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in om: So you either follow the law, or violate the law. As a law abiding person..those people followed the law..and died or were wounded as a result. End result. they're dead now. No undo. Some laws should not be followed. Laws which go against logic. Just because something is made a law, does NOT make it a just/right law. Following it becuase it's a law, until you can "change" it, is the sheeple mentality. And as you can see, that can get you killed these days. Im not sure its a sheeple mentality. Afterall..would one actually expect there to be any chance of such an event actually occuring? It is a sheeple mentality. They don't think things can go bad. Things can, they do... You should be prepared for it. One shouldn't have to worry about going to a burger joint or anything else and getting shot at, but it happens. Yes..they took their chances by going. But the chances were fantasticly low, in all seriousness. They had a much..much larger chance of being hit by a meteor or falling airliner than having such an event happen. I'm not so sure anymore. More and more people are losing it and going postal. I dont carry a firearm because of the odds..I carry one because of the risks. I carry because you never know who you're going to run into. We have a road rage problem here locally. I've had an individual take a shot or two at me and I wasn't even the vehicle that cut him off. I found out tho, that my old van makes for a fairly okay small weapons fire shield, and allows me to disable the offending vehicle easily. He spun out and ate some of that new metal cable they have to seperate lanes of traffic. I didn't stop to see if he was okay. I'd say by the crash, roll and cable slicing into the car, he probably wasn't doing so good. He was along side me, and fired at me man...His first shot came into the cab and took out my passenger window! I hit the brakes and pulled a hard left, right into his car. As soon as I felt the hit, I mashed the gas and turned into it. Big block saved my hide; she pushed hard. 90 model 3/4 ton straight 6300bigblock, 410 gearing. no overdrive. Commercial grade, full cage. Built tough. I know atleast two cars stopped behind us; I could see them in my mirrors.. I don't know why he fired at me, but I know it was damn close and I could have been killed that day. I'm not sorry I used my van as a weapon, I was acting in what I felt was self defense. Hit him, so he can't squeeze another round off. I couldn't run from him. He'd easily overtake me. Did you get arrested for leaving the scene? What are the witnesses going to say? "Hey, it was a white van with a ladder rack and it ran off." So uhh, no. You don't have license tags? It *is* hit and run. It wouldn't be the first time someone was charged for such. |
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Winston_Smith wrote: What makes you think none of the dead did try just that. There were some military among the dead for one thing. Yes, Air Force. Not the best trained for combat. |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:11:23 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote: sufficient "knock down", such as a FMJ 38 super automatic (CIP designation) would have extreme danger of over penetration and ricochet in a dense movie crowd. ....gee wilikers. I bet this shooter could not catch a .45 in his front teeth. Story goes he had .40 caliber. -- |
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: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:53:39 GMT, Dustin wrote: " wrote in m: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:38:27 GMT, Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in m: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:39:29 GMT, Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in news:be9o08l64728naa8jqchueiu6sinhd6aq4@4ax. com: So you either follow the law, or violate the law. As a law abiding person..those people followed the law..and died or were wounded as a result. End result. they're dead now. No undo. Some laws should not be followed. Laws which go against logic. Just because something is made a law, does NOT make it a just/right law. Following it becuase it's a law, until you can "change" it, is the sheeple mentality. And as you can see, that can get you killed these days. Im not sure its a sheeple mentality. Afterall..would one actually expect there to be any chance of such an event actually occuring? It is a sheeple mentality. They don't think things can go bad. Things can, they do... You should be prepared for it. One shouldn't have to worry about going to a burger joint or anything else and getting shot at, but it happens. Yes..they took their chances by going. But the chances were fantasticly low, in all seriousness. They had a much..much larger chance of being hit by a meteor or falling airliner than having such an event happen. I'm not so sure anymore. More and more people are losing it and going postal. I dont carry a firearm because of the odds..I carry one because of the risks. I carry because you never know who you're going to run into. We have a road rage problem here locally. I've had an individual take a shot or two at me and I wasn't even the vehicle that cut him off. I found out tho, that my old van makes for a fairly okay small weapons fire shield, and allows me to disable the offending vehicle easily. He spun out and ate some of that new metal cable they have to seperate lanes of traffic. I didn't stop to see if he was okay. I'd say by the crash, roll and cable slicing into the car, he probably wasn't doing so good. He was along side me, and fired at me man...His first shot came into the cab and took out my passenger window! I hit the brakes and pulled a hard left, right into his car. As soon as I felt the hit, I mashed the gas and turned into it. Big block saved my hide; she pushed hard. 90 model 3/4 ton straight 6300bigblock, 410 gearing. no verdrive. Commercial grade, full cage. Built tough. I know atleast two cars stopped behind us; I could see them in my mirrors.. I don't know why he fired at me, but I know it was damn close and I could have been killed that day. I'm not sorry I used my van as a weapon, I was acting in what I felt was self defense. Hit him, so he can't squeeze another round off. I couldn't run from him. He'd easily overtake me. Did you get arrested for leaving the scene? What are the witnesses going to say? "Hey, it was a white van with a ladder rack and it ran off." So uhh, no. You don't have license tags? It *is* hit and run. It wouldn't be the first time someone was charged for such. Is there a point to your questions? You're asking rather dumb ones given the details I did provide... -- I don't need no arms around me. And I dont need no drugs to calm me. I have seen the writing on the wall. Don't think I need anything at all. No! Don't think I'll need anything at all. All in all it was all just bricks in the wall. All in all you were all just bricks in the wall. Pink Floyd Another Brick in the Wall part 3 |
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Gunner Asch wrote in
: One assumes you did the legal thing and stopped after the event and reported it? One should re-read what I posted if you assume such a thing. The individual fired a gun at me. I did not stop to see if he was okay. **** no, I did not. I rendered him no longer a threat and continued onto work. Simple as that. I wasn't going to try and talk him out of shooting again for ****s sake. He fired, I ran the van into him. done deal. -- I don't need no arms around me. And I dont need no drugs to calm me. I have seen the writing on the wall. Don't think I need anything at all. No! Don't think I'll need anything at all. All in all it was all just bricks in the wall. All in all you were all just bricks in the wall. Pink Floyd Another Brick in the Wall part 3 |
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Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in : One assumes you did the legal thing and stopped after the event and reported it? One should re-read what I posted if you assume such a thing. The individual fired a gun at me. I did not stop to see if he was okay. **** no, I did not. I rendered him no longer a threat and continued onto work. Simple as that. I wasn't going to try and talk him out of shooting again for ****s sake. He fired, I ran the van into him. done deal. And didn't bother to report him to the police? |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:05:34 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:15:32 -0400, " wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:17:10 -0700, Oren wrote: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:59:10 GMT, Dustin wrote: Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Same with insurance ........ Is there a difference? None whatsoever. A carried firearm and some training...is very cheap insurance. But insurance it is. Gunner My insurance "barks" over here and "bites" over yonder.. It has bullets! -- |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
m: Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in : One assumes you did the legal thing and stopped after the event and reported it? One should re-read what I posted if you assume such a thing. The individual fired a gun at me. I did not stop to see if he was okay. **** no, I did not. I rendered him no longer a threat and continued onto work. Simple as that. I wasn't going to try and talk him out of shooting again for ****s sake. He fired, I ran the van into him. done deal. And didn't bother to report him to the police? What was I supposed to tell them? Some crazy ****er in a black, possibly blue car got along side me and fired a shot? So I ran him off the road and left? C'mon... I don't even know what color the persons skin was or if it was a male or female. I saw a gun, I ducked, I saw my side window shatter. That's ALL I needed to see to make a quick decision. Their ass or mine. I decided I was coming home at the end of the day. -- I don't need no arms around me. And I dont need no drugs to calm me. I have seen the writing on the wall. Don't think I need anything at all. No! Don't think I'll need anything at all. All in all it was all just bricks in the wall. All in all you were all just bricks in the wall. Pink Floyd Another Brick in the Wall part 3 |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:45:24 GMT, Dustin wrote:
" wrote in : On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:53:39 GMT, Dustin wrote: " wrote in : On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 22:38:27 GMT, Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in om: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:39:29 GMT, Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in news:be9o08l64728naa8jqchueiu6sinhd6aq4@4ax .com: So you either follow the law, or violate the law. As a law abiding person..those people followed the law..and died or were wounded as a result. End result. they're dead now. No undo. Some laws should not be followed. Laws which go against logic. Just because something is made a law, does NOT make it a just/right law. Following it becuase it's a law, until you can "change" it, is the sheeple mentality. And as you can see, that can get you killed these days. Im not sure its a sheeple mentality. Afterall..would one actually expect there to be any chance of such an event actually occuring? It is a sheeple mentality. They don't think things can go bad. Things can, they do... You should be prepared for it. One shouldn't have to worry about going to a burger joint or anything else and getting shot at, but it happens. Yes..they took their chances by going. But the chances were fantasticly low, in all seriousness. They had a much..much larger chance of being hit by a meteor or falling airliner than having such an event happen. I'm not so sure anymore. More and more people are losing it and going postal. I dont carry a firearm because of the odds..I carry one because of the risks. I carry because you never know who you're going to run into. We have a road rage problem here locally. I've had an individual take a shot or two at me and I wasn't even the vehicle that cut him off. I found out tho, that my old van makes for a fairly okay small weapons fire shield, and allows me to disable the offending vehicle easily. He spun out and ate some of that new metal cable they have to seperate lanes of traffic. I didn't stop to see if he was okay. I'd say by the crash, roll and cable slicing into the car, he probably wasn't doing so good. He was along side me, and fired at me man...His first shot came into the cab and took out my passenger window! I hit the brakes and pulled a hard left, right into his car. As soon as I felt the hit, I mashed the gas and turned into it. Big block saved my hide; she pushed hard. 90 model 3/4 ton straight 6300bigblock, 410 gearing. no verdrive. Commercial grade, full cage. Built tough. I know atleast two cars stopped behind us; I could see them in my mirrors.. I don't know why he fired at me, but I know it was damn close and I could have been killed that day. I'm not sorry I used my van as a weapon, I was acting in what I felt was self defense. Hit him, so he can't squeeze another round off. I couldn't run from him. He'd easily overtake me. Did you get arrested for leaving the scene? What are the witnesses going to say? "Hey, it was a white van with a ladder rack and it ran off." So uhh, no. You don't have license tags? It *is* hit and run. It wouldn't be the first time someone was charged for such. Is there a point to your questions? You're asking rather dumb ones given the details I did provide... You provided enough details to find you guilty of "Leaving The Scene...". I wondered if you were charged. You didn't say anything about that "detail". |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:53:49 GMT, Dustin wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in om: Dustin wrote: Gunner Asch wrote in : One assumes you did the legal thing and stopped after the event and reported it? One should re-read what I posted if you assume such a thing. The individual fired a gun at me. I did not stop to see if he was okay. **** no, I did not. I rendered him no longer a threat and continued onto work. Simple as that. I wasn't going to try and talk him out of shooting again for ****s sake. He fired, I ran the van into him. done deal. And didn't bother to report him to the police? What was I supposed to tell them? Some crazy ****er in a black, possibly blue car got along side me and fired a shot? Yes. So I ran him off the road and left? That would be dumb. Let them figure that out. "What, there was a squirrel in the road.". C'mon... I don't even know what color the persons skin was or if it was a male or female. I saw a gun, I ducked, I saw my side window shatter. ....and then proceeded to attempt to kill him. Given that you could prove it, it would be justified. Running off and hiding is not. That's ALL I needed to see to make a quick decision. Their ass or mine. I decided I was coming home at the end of the day. It *is* called "Hit and Run". |
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