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On 6/4/2012 2:11 PM, frank1492 wrote:
Thank you all for your kind advice. Sorry to take so long in getting back. I had filled the tank with fresh fuel and left this project alone for several days. Today I bought a spark tester (easier than attempting to ground the plug while pulling the start cord.) Recall I had guessed a bad spark earlier. The spark was perfect! Without choking, I depressed the throttle and the engine started immediately. So it appears Hank and some others were right. The engine must have been severely flooded. Initially in desperation I must have choked the engine more than I thought. I feel very stupid about this and am sorry if I may have misled you. I simply could not understand with the use of starting fluid why I couldn't even get a sputter. The cautionary tale here is this: Always follow starting instructions exactly and be patient. Just a word or two in defense of Homelite. For about 20 years I had a string trimmer that started and ran flawlessly, only giving trouble very recently. It had years of stale gas (I'm more careful now) and never complained. I liked it because it had no centrifugal clutch and didn't require being run at light speed. Also simply speeding the engine momentarily to full throttle advanced the line- no need to bump or insert line stubs manually. So I have no problems with Homelite. And it turns out this problem wasn't theirs! Once again thank you all. I intend to do penance by running the trimmer against my bare leg for one-half hour. Frank in the future, i've found the best way to "unflood" a two stoke is to take the plug out, hook the wire back to it, lay it against the hole it belongs in, and yank that rope!. You'll get a little fire and then none, and you'll be dried out in a flash. No pun intended. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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Fahr in de hole!
I've seen other people flood an engine, and then try to start it by further flooding it. Very common thought process. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Steve Barker" wrote in message ... Without choking, I depressed the throttle and the engine started immediately. So it appears Hank and some others were right. The engine must have been severely flooded. Once again thank you all. I intend to do penance by running the trimmer against my bare leg for one-half hour. Frank in the future, i've found the best way to "unflood" a two stoke is to take the plug out, hook the wire back to it, lay it against the hole it belongs in, and yank that rope!. You'll get a little fire and then none, and you'll be dried out in a flash. No pun intended. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On Jun 4, 8:12*am, "
wrote: On Jun 3, 10:53*am, Hank wrote: On Jun 3, 8:21*am, " wrote: On Jun 2, 10:28*pm, Hank wrote: On Jun 2, 1:01*pm, " wrote: On Jun 2, 12:50*pm, Greg wrote: On 6/2/2012 11:52 AM, Jon Danniken wrote: The idle adjustment screw is easily accessible and quickly fixes that problem; if you had read the fine manual you would discovered this for yourself. They are purposely set too low to keep the EPA happy, as well as to make DAMN SURE that there is ZERO CHANCE of the clutch engaging when someone sets the saw down next to the baby when they go in the house for another crackhit (you can thank the lawyers for that one). A harder adjustment is increasing the mixture screws to be richer, because they have a limiter on each screw which allows them to only be turned leaner (again, thanks to the EPA for that one). This can cause a problem if the saw is running too lean at WOT, and will burn it up in short order. As in most limiter screws, it is easily bypassed if you are somewhat handy (I removed the limiters on mine). I have to agree with the other posters, Stihl is the best! You can make excuses and blame lawyers and EPA all you want but I've never had to do any of those things to get my Stihl 2-strokes to run. FWIW, I do use Stihl MotoMix exclusively so that I don't have to worry about ethanol fuel decay and resultant damage. I just keep everything fueled up with MotoMix and ready to go. They always start easily and run great.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - On a related question, I have a 2 cycle weed whacker that would not start. *I sprayed carb cleaner in it and now it starts just fine, will run with the choke off, but as soon as you give it about 50%+ throttle it starts to stall. *And at that point even quickly backing off on the throttle, it will not recover, it just dies out. While cleaning and looking at it I noticed one thing that doesn's seem right. *When I pump the bulb I see solid gas going into the carb, but some bubbles are there in the return line. *Even pumping many times makes no difference. So, my current theory is that there is a leak at the carb that is allowing air to get sucked in? *And that it isn't a problem at lower power but causes fuel starvation at higher power? * Next thing I'm going to do is see what the return fuel line does when it running and the problem occurs. *Any other thoughts? Bulb could have a small crack that you can't see and it don't leak because you have your finger over the crack, or fuel line has crack, or you need to put gas in it. If it were the bulb, there would be air in the sending line as well as the return line. *Also, I've never seen a bulb with an air leak where fuel was not leaking out when it's pressed. I woud replace the fuel line. This is the most common problem. Then replace the primer bulb ( less than $5). One or the other should solve your problem. Hank- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It might be a leak right where the return line joins the carb. *But that's where it would have to be because the bubbles are showing up right where it leaves the carb. *Again, no bubbles going in the carb, only bubbles coming out. Obviously your experiences are different than mine. If I were to repair his trimmer, the first thing I would do, with the symptoms he gave, is to replace all fuel lines and primer bulb and spark plug. I was not telling him what to do. *I was asking about what to do with MY problem, which is different. This takes care of 90% of the problems. If he is too cheap to fork out the $5-$10 to replace these parts, he is just wasting his time trying to find out which one it is. I have repaired unknown numbers of trimmers and 2 stroke equipment for 30+ years in a shop. Hank- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Then I would think that you would agree that air bubbles in the return line from the carb, with no air bubbles in the supply line from the tank and priming bulb can't be due to a leaking bulb, or a leak in the fuel line from the tank to the bulb, right? *If there is a leak, it would seem to me that it would have to be right where the supply fuel line connects to the carb or else in the carb itself. *And if it's leaking at the connection to the carb, wouldn't there typically be some fuel leaking visibly when the priming bulb is pushed? *It's forcing fuel into the carb, so if there was a leak, wouldn't some fuel come out under pressure? One basic question is should there ever be air bubbles in the fuel return line after priming it say 10 times? Not all trimmers have a fuel return line. Oneof these days you may come across a primer bulb that has a crack in it and then you'll know what i am talking about. They usually crack on the tip of the bulb, therefore, when you put your finger on it to push, you are basically sealing the crack. When you let off, it will suck air in, not gas. Usualy they don't leak either. There shouldn't be any air in the lines. The fuel filter helps keep the line deep in the tank. If it comes off, you may suck air. Hank |
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On Jun 4, 9:01*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
in the future, i've found the best way to "unflood" a two stoke is to take the plug out, hook the wire back to it, lay it against the hole it belongs in, and yank that rope!. *You'll get a little fire and then none, and you'll be dried out in a flash. *No pun intended. -- Steve Barker That is dangerous and really unneeded. A person has to get the gas out of the crankcase too, not just the cylinder. To get the gas out of the crankcase, you must pull the starter multiple times. Even then it must sit and evaporate to get it into the "flammable range" ( air to fuel ratio). Your way is even more difficult if the carb is still operating and flowing more gas into the crankcase with every pull. Hank |
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On 6/5/2012 4:41 AM, Hank wrote:
On Jun 4, 9:01 pm, Steve wrote: in the future, i've found the best way to "unflood" a two stoke is to take the plug out, hook the wire back to it, lay it against the hole it belongs in, and yank that rope!. You'll get a little fire and then none, and you'll be dried out in a flash. No pun intended. -- Steve Barker That is dangerous and really unneeded. A person has to get the gas out of the crankcase too, not just the cylinder. To get the gas out of the crankcase, you must pull the starter multiple times. Even then it must sit and evaporate to get it into the "flammable range" ( air to fuel ratio). Your way is even more difficult if the carb is still operating and flowing more gas into the crankcase with every pull. Hank believe me, it works and is not dangerous. I've done it thousands of times in the course of my job. (I worked at a lawn and landscape place with hundreds of pieces of two stroke equip) And the fuel mix is passed from the crankcase during rope pulling just as it would be during normal operation. And the fuel mix being pulled through is minimal and of the proper proportion if the choke is open. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On Jun 5, 11:33*am, Steve Barker wrote:
On 6/5/2012 4:41 AM, Hank wrote: On Jun 4, 9:01 pm, Steve *wrote: in the future, i've found the best way to "unflood" a two stoke is to take the plug out, hook the wire back to it, lay it against the hole it belongs in, and yank that rope!. *You'll get a little fire and then none, and you'll be dried out in a flash. *No pun intended. -- Steve Barker That is dangerous and really unneeded. A person has to get the gas out of the crankcase too, not just the cylinder. To get the gas out of the crankcase, you must pull the starter multiple times. Even then it must sit and evaporate to get it into the "flammable range" ( air to fuel ratio). Your way is even more difficult if the carb is still operating and flowing more gas into the crankcase with every pull. Hank believe me, it works and is not dangerous. *I've done it thousands of times in the course of my job. *(I worked at a lawn and landscape place with hundreds of pieces of two stroke equip) And the fuel mix is passed from the crankcase during rope pulling just as it would be during normal operation. *And the fuel mix being pulled through is minimal and of the proper proportion if the choke is open. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email Let me get this straight.............. It spits out an unknown amount of gasoline that is on fire and it isn't dangerous? You've done it a thousand times? Hank ~~~~~~ ain't buyin what Steve is selling |
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I've done the "spark plug out, yank the cord" on four strokes. Can't say as
I've tried it on two stroke. But, thanks for the field report. The one time I tried to help out, a 10 or 11 year old boy who had a two stroke scooter. He would push the primer 10 to 20 times, and wonder why it didn't start. I told him one or two times was enough. I got a wrench, pulled the spark plug, and pulled the cord to dry out the cylinder a bit. Put the spark plug back in. Before I could do much anything else, he was pushing the primer button 1.04 ^9 times, and flooded the thing again. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Steve Barker" wrote in message ... believe me, it works and is not dangerous. I've done it thousands of times in the course of my job. (I worked at a lawn and landscape place with hundreds of pieces of two stroke equip) And the fuel mix is passed from the crankcase during rope pulling just as it would be during normal operation. And the fuel mix being pulled through is minimal and of the proper proportion if the choke is open. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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It's a formerly some what free country.
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Hank" wrote in message ... Let me get this straight.............. It spits out an unknown amount of gasoline that is on fire and it isn't dangerous? You've done it a thousand times? Hank ~~~~~~ ain't buyin what Steve is selling |
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I will be very careful not to prime too much next time, though the
instructions on the Homelite clearly say "10 times." Unlike the kid, I won't be doing it twice (2X10.) But what do you do when you have left the trimmer off for just a while, say an hour, and it won't start on the first pull? Do you then guess and prime it, say, 5 times? Is there a rule of thumb for varying engine-off times? On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 15:12:32 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: I've done the "spark plug out, yank the cord" on four strokes. Can't say as I've tried it on two stroke. But, thanks for the field report. The one time I tried to help out, a 10 or 11 year old boy who had a two stroke scooter. He would push the primer 10 to 20 times, and wonder why it didn't start. I told him one or two times was enough. I got a wrench, pulled the spark plug, and pulled the cord to dry out the cylinder a bit. Put the spark plug back in. Before I could do much anything else, he was pushing the primer button 1.04 ^9 times, and flooded the thing again. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "Steve Barker" wrote in message ... believe me, it works and is not dangerous. I've done it thousands of times in the course of my job. (I worked at a lawn and landscape place with hundreds of pieces of two stroke equip) And the fuel mix is passed from the crankcase during rope pulling just as it would be during normal operation. And the fuel mix being pulled through is minimal and of the proper proportion if the choke is open. |
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I always figure I can prime more later, but it's hard to unprime. So, I
start with the smaller number of bulb pushes. I know of no formula. Would be too easy, if there were. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "frank1492" wrote in message ... I will be very careful not to prime too much next time, though the instructions on the Homelite clearly say "10 times." Unlike the kid, I won't be doing it twice (2X10.) But what do you do when you have left the trimmer off for just a while, say an hour, and it won't start on the first pull? Do you then guess and prime it, say, 5 times? Is there a rule of thumb for varying engine-off times? |
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On Jun 5, 4:47*pm, frank1492 wrote:
I will be very careful not to prime too much next time, though the instructions on the Homelite clearly say "10 times." Unlike the kid, I won't be doing it twice (2X10.) But what do you do when you have left the trimmer off for just a while, say an hour, and it won't start on the first pull? Do you then guess and prime it, say, 5 times? Is there a rule of thumb for varying engine-off times? Air cooled engines cool off pretty quickly. Start it as you normally would. If you think it may be flooded, hold the throttle wide open, open choke, and pull a 5-6 times. If it was just flooded a little, it should fire up. It will smoke a little but keep the throttle wide open until it quits smoking and runs at the high RPM. Hank |
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On Jun 5, 3:13*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: It's a formerly some what free country. Christopher A. Young Yes it is, but he wouldn't be working in my shop very long. Hank ~~~~~ thinks safety first |
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On 6/5/2012 11:53 AM, Hank wrote:
On Jun 5, 11:33 am, Steve wrote: On 6/5/2012 4:41 AM, Hank wrote: On Jun 4, 9:01 pm, Steve wrote: in the future, i've found the best way to "unflood" a two stoke is to take the plug out, hook the wire back to it, lay it against the hole it belongs in, and yank that rope!. You'll get a little fire and then none, and you'll be dried out in a flash. No pun intended. -- Steve Barker That is dangerous and really unneeded. A person has to get the gas out of the crankcase too, not just the cylinder. To get the gas out of the crankcase, you must pull the starter multiple times. Even then it must sit and evaporate to get it into the "flammable range" ( air to fuel ratio). Your way is even more difficult if the carb is still operating and flowing more gas into the crankcase with every pull. Hank believe me, it works and is not dangerous. I've done it thousands of times in the course of my job. (I worked at a lawn and landscape place with hundreds of pieces of two stroke equip) And the fuel mix is passed from the crankcase during rope pulling just as it would be during normal operation. And the fuel mix being pulled through is minimal and of the proper proportion if the choke is open. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email Let me get this straight.............. It spits out an unknown amount of gasoline that is on fire and it isn't dangerous? You've done it a thousand times? Hank~~~~~~ ain't buyin what Steve is selling Well, maybe not THOUSANDS... I worked at the place 12 years and probably did it an average of once a day. And there can't be TOO much gasoline in there or they would hydrolock. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:29:23 -0500, Steve Barker
wrote: Well, maybe not THOUSANDS... I worked at the place 12 years and probably did it an average of once a day. And there can't be TOO much gasoline in there or they would hydrolock. But what about the children? If you did it near a school, they could be injured. You're endangering and entire community with explosive vapors ! ! ! and causing cancer in California |
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On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 16:47:11 -0400, frank1492
wrote: I will be very careful not to prime too much next time, though the instructions on the Homelite clearly say "10 times." Unlike the kid, I won't be doing it twice (2X10.) But what do you do when you have left the trimmer off for just a while, say an hour, and it won't start on the first pull? Do you then guess and prime it, say, 5 times? Is there a rule of thumb for varying engine-off times? My rule of thumb is what works. My chains saw, four times, lawnmower, five, snowblower ten. According tot he instructions with each, the number varies from what actually works for me. |
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On 6/5/2012 9:08 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:29:23 -0500, Steve Barker wrote: Well, maybe not THOUSANDS... I worked at the place 12 years and probably did it an average of once a day. And there can't be TOO much gasoline in there or they would hydrolock. But what about the children? If you did it near a school, they could be injured. You're endangering and entire community with explosive vapors ! ! ! and causing cancer in California waaa waaaa -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On Jun 5, 6:29*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
Well, maybe not THOUSANDS... *I worked at the place 12 years and probably did it an average of once a day. *And there can't be TOO much gasoline in there or they would hydrolock. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email You aren't too good at math are you? 52 weeks in a year. 2 weeks off for vacation = 50 weeks of working If you worked the typical 5 day week, that equates to 250 day per year. Doing it "on average of once a day" for 250 days per year for 12 years is 3000 times. Hank ~~~~ still ain't buyin Steves story |
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On 06/05/2012 01:47 PM, frank1492 wrote:
I will be very careful not to prime too much next time, though the instructions on the Homelite clearly say "10 times." The instruction manual that came with mine states to push the primer bulb until gas appears in the bulb. The manual that came with a previous version did state the same as you stated. I'm guessing they were getting too many calls about flooded engines. Jon |
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On Jun 5, 5:30*am, Hank wrote:
On Jun 4, 8:12*am, " wrote: On Jun 3, 10:53*am, Hank wrote: On Jun 3, 8:21*am, " wrote: On Jun 2, 10:28*pm, Hank wrote: On Jun 2, 1:01*pm, " wrote: On Jun 2, 12:50*pm, Greg wrote: On 6/2/2012 11:52 AM, Jon Danniken wrote: The idle adjustment screw is easily accessible and quickly fixes that problem; if you had read the fine manual you would discovered this for yourself. They are purposely set too low to keep the EPA happy, as well as to make DAMN SURE that there is ZERO CHANCE of the clutch engaging when someone sets the saw down next to the baby when they go in the house for another crackhit (you can thank the lawyers for that one). A harder adjustment is increasing the mixture screws to be richer, because they have a limiter on each screw which allows them to only be turned leaner (again, thanks to the EPA for that one). This can cause a problem if the saw is running too lean at WOT, and will burn it up in short order. As in most limiter screws, it is easily bypassed if you are somewhat handy (I removed the limiters on mine). I have to agree with the other posters, Stihl is the best! You can make excuses and blame lawyers and EPA all you want but I've never had to do any of those things to get my Stihl 2-strokes to run. FWIW, I do use Stihl MotoMix exclusively so that I don't have to worry about ethanol fuel decay and resultant damage. I just keep everything fueled up with MotoMix and ready to go. They always start easily and run great.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - On a related question, I have a 2 cycle weed whacker that would not start. *I sprayed carb cleaner in it and now it starts just fine, will run with the choke off, but as soon as you give it about 50%+ throttle it starts to stall. *And at that point even quickly backing off on the throttle, it will not recover, it just dies out. While cleaning and looking at it I noticed one thing that doesn's seem right. *When I pump the bulb I see solid gas going into the carb, but some bubbles are there in the return line. *Even pumping many times makes no difference. So, my current theory is that there is a leak at the carb that is allowing air to get sucked in? *And that it isn't a problem at lower power but causes fuel starvation at higher power? * Next thing I'm going to do is see what the return fuel line does when it running and the problem occurs. *Any other thoughts? Bulb could have a small crack that you can't see and it don't leak because you have your finger over the crack, or fuel line has crack, or you need to put gas in it. If it were the bulb, there would be air in the sending line as well as the return line. *Also, I've never seen a bulb with an air leak where fuel was not leaking out when it's pressed. I woud replace the fuel line. This is the most common problem. Then replace the primer bulb ( less than $5). One or the other should solve your problem. Hank- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It might be a leak right where the return line joins the carb. *But that's where it would have to be because the bubbles are showing up right where it leaves the carb. *Again, no bubbles going in the carb, only bubbles coming out. Obviously your experiences are different than mine. If I were to repair his trimmer, the first thing I would do, with the symptoms he gave, is to replace all fuel lines and primer bulb and spark plug. I was not telling him what to do. *I was asking about what to do with MY problem, which is different. This takes care of 90% of the problems. If he is too cheap to fork out the $5-$10 to replace these parts, he is just wasting his time trying to find out which one it is. I have repaired unknown numbers of trimmers and 2 stroke equipment for 30+ years in a shop. Hank- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Then I would think that you would agree that air bubbles in the return line from the carb, with no air bubbles in the supply line from the tank and priming bulb can't be due to a leaking bulb, or a leak in the fuel line from the tank to the bulb, right? *If there is a leak, it would seem to me that it would have to be right where the supply fuel line connects to the carb or else in the carb itself. *And if it's leaking at the connection to the carb, wouldn't there typically be some fuel leaking visibly when the priming bulb is pushed? *It's forcing fuel into the carb, so if there was a leak, wouldn't some fuel come out under pressure? One basic question is should there ever be air bubbles in the fuel return line after priming it say 10 times? Not all trimmers have a fuel return line. Oneof these days you may come across a primer bulb that has a crack in it and then you'll know what i am talking about. They usually crack on the tip of the bulb, therefore, when you put your finger on it to push, you are basically sealing the crack. When you let off, it will suck air in, not gas. Usualy they don't leak either. There shouldn't be any air in the lines. Thanks for confirming that. That's what I thought, but wasn't sure. There is definitely no air from the suction line to the bulb or from the bulb to the carb. Only in the return line. So, I would think either it's a leak right where the fuel hose joins the carb or more likely inside the carb. If it were leaking at the carb connection, I should see some fuel leak when I push the prime bulb, no? |
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replying to Ed Pawlowski, tickedoff wrote:
seriously , they only last a few hours. are you talking about an electric one. mine is hardly ever used also and it just stopped just like that. -- posted from http://www.homeownershub.com/mainten...rt-699695-.htm |
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On 2016-07-17, tickedoff wrote:
replying to Ed Pawlowski, tickedoff wrote: seriously , they only last a few hours. are you talking about an electric one. mine is hardly ever used also and it just stopped just like that. I jes went thru this particular nightmare. Our HOA has six gas trimmers. All dead except a Stihl, which still runs, but the line feed is broken and so line must be pulled out by hand. I got my hands on a Poulan. I bought a new spark plug and it still wouldn't start. Tried new gas (non-ethanol) and oil. Nada. Finally resorted to a squirt of ether. Damn thing finally fired and ran. These engines (31cc) are so narrowly tuned, they shouldn't be messed with. Jes taking the cover off the filter leand the engine out of running range, so hadda shoot a shot of ether, replace the filter cover, and hope I did it fast enough to the start engine. At least the bump line feed on the Poulan actually worked, despite having to really "bump" it on a rock or hard ground. Having gone through enough of these junky gas trimmers, I think I'd prefer an old fashion Grass Whip. nb |
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