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I had a "hard" power outage a couple of nights ago and all the sudden the
blower keeps coming back on randomly, even though I have the Honeywell
controller in the off postion (between heat and air) and the other on auto
(not on).

I opened my windows to enjoy the nice weather and about once an hour it will
start blowing for a few minutes then stop. Before that, it wouldn't stop at
all, but someone told me to make sure the doors in on the system in the
garage were on tight. I messed around and it went off. Now it just comes
on occasionally.

My electric bill is going to be more than my budget if I can't find a fix.

Thanks!


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I had a "hard" power outage a couple of nights ago and all the sudden the
blower keeps coming back on randomly, even though I have the Honeywell
controller in the off postion (between heat and air) and the other on auto
(not on).

I opened my windows to enjoy the nice weather and about once an hour it will
start blowing for a few minutes then stop. *Before that, it wouldn't stop at
all, but someone told me to make sure the doors in on the system in the
garage were on tight. *I messed around and it went off. *Now it just comes
on occasionally.

My electric bill is going to be more than my budget if I can't find a fix..

Thanks!


Find the circuit breaker for the heater/AC and turn it off that way
for starters.
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online manual that doesn't seem to help

http://www.honeywellcentral.com/ssi/...30B_manual.pdf



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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:02:05 -0500, "Tamara Lynn"
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I had a "hard" power outage a couple of nights ago and all the sudden the
blower keeps coming back on randomly, even though I have the Honeywell
controller in the off postion (between heat and air) and the other on auto
(not on).

I opened my windows to enjoy the nice weather and about once an hour it will
start blowing for a few minutes then stop. Before that, it wouldn't stop at
all, but someone told me to make sure the doors in on the system in the
garage were on tight. I messed around and it went off. Now it just comes
on occasionally.

My electric bill is going to be more than my budget if I can't find a fix.

Thanks!


I had a furnace/AC blower that wouldn't stop blowing. Apparently the
computer board got its electronics scrambled somehow. The fix was to
unplug the furnace and leave it unplugged for several minutes (I used
10 minutes). Then when I plugged it back in all was working well again
and has been now for several months. Kinda like rebooting a crashed
computer I guess...


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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:02:05 -0500, "Tamara Lynn"
wrote:

I had a "hard" power outage a couple of nights ago and all the sudden the
blower keeps coming back on randomly, even though I have the Honeywell
controller in the off postion (between heat and air) and the other on auto
(not on).

I opened my windows to enjoy the nice weather and about once an hour it
will
start blowing for a few minutes then stop. Before that, it wouldn't stop
at
all, but someone told me to make sure the doors in on the system in the
garage were on tight. I messed around and it went off. Now it just comes
on occasionally.

My electric bill is going to be more than my budget if I can't find a fix.

Thanks!


I had a furnace/AC blower that wouldn't stop blowing. Apparently the
computer board got its electronics scrambled somehow. The fix was to
unplug the furnace and leave it unplugged for several minutes (I used
10 minutes). Then when I plugged it back in all was working well again
and has been now for several months. Kinda like rebooting a crashed
computer I guess...


Thanks, I will try that. I just can't figure out if the problem is the
thermostat or unit, so I will try both.


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On Apr 29, 9:40*am, "Tamara Lynn" wrote:
"AJL" wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:02:05 -0500, "Tamara Lynn"
wrote:


I had a "hard" power outage a couple of nights ago and all the sudden the
blower keeps coming back on randomly, even though I have the Honeywell
controller in the off postion (between heat and air) and the other on auto
(not on).


I opened my windows to enjoy the nice weather and about once an hour it
will
start blowing for a few minutes then stop. *Before that, it wouldn't stop
at
all, but someone told me to make sure the doors in on the system in the
garage were on tight. *I messed around and it went off. *Now it just comes
on occasionally.


My electric bill is going to be more than my budget if I can't find a fix.


Thanks!


I had a furnace/AC blower that wouldn't stop blowing. Apparently the
computer board got its electronics scrambled somehow. The fix was to
unplug the furnace and leave it unplugged for several minutes (I used
10 minutes). Then when I plugged it back in all was working well again
and has been now for several months. Kinda like rebooting a crashed
computer I guess...


Thanks, I will try that. *I just can't figure out if the problem is the
thermostat or unit, so I will try both.- Hide quoted text -

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Just temporarily disconnect the thermostat if you
want to rule that out.
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Just temporarily disconnect the thermostat if you
want to rule that out.


I pulled the batteries out of the thermostat for 10-15 seconds. When I put
them back in, the fan immediately kicked on and finally shut off.


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Just temporarily disconnect the thermostat if you
want to rule that out.


I pulled the batteries out of the thermostat for 10-15 seconds. When I put
them back in, the fan immediately kicked on and finally shut off.




Check to see if there is an LED light blinking on the furnace unit.
There could be an error code. May be minor, may be major, may be
nothing at all. Worth investigating.
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Just temporarily disconnect the thermostat if you
want to rule that out.


I pulled the batteries out of the thermostat for 10-15 seconds. When I
put
them back in, the fan immediately kicked on and finally shut off.




Check to see if there is an LED light blinking on the furnace unit. There
could be an error code. May be minor, may be major, may be nothing at
all. Worth investigating.


My Lennox system is 30 years old, I think before they got LED. :-)

Anyway, I went out and turned the pilot light to the heat (gas) and then
turned off the gas to the unit. So far the fan hasn't came back on.
crosses fingers

Perhaps the heat on the flame on the pilot heated the central system, and it
kicked on just to disperse that heat. At least that is what I am hoping
for...sigh. I should have just rented a husband! lol

T




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On 04/29/2012 07:44 PM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
wrote:
On 4/29/2012 7:29 PM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
wrote:

Just temporarily disconnect the thermostat if you
want to rule that out.

I pulled the batteries out of the thermostat for 10-15 seconds. When I
put
them back in, the fan immediately kicked on and finally shut off.




Check to see if there is an LED light blinking on the furnace unit. There
could be an error code. May be minor, may be major, may be nothing at
all. Worth investigating.


My Lennox system is 30 years old, I think before they got LED. :-)

Anyway, I went out and turned the pilot light to the heat (gas) and then
turned off the gas to the unit. So far the fan hasn't came back on.
crosses fingers

Perhaps the heat on the flame on the pilot heated the central system, and it
kicked on just to disperse that heat. At least that is what I am hoping
for...sigh. I should have just rented a husband!lol

T


That's a very real possibility on a system that old. I had the same
thing happen one especially hot day. For a complete solution I needed
to adjust the fan limit switch to not come on until it reached a
somewhat higher temperature (my furnace is in the attic, and here in
Texas it can reach 150 up there on a hot day, which is where the switch
had been set to turn on the fan during heating season).
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 21:02:05 -0500, "Tamara Lynn"
wrote:

I had a "hard" power outage a couple of nights ago and all the sudden the
blower keeps coming back on randomly, even though I have the Honeywell
controller in the off postion (between heat and air) and the other on auto
(not on).

I opened my windows to enjoy the nice weather and about once an hour it will
start blowing for a few minutes then stop. Before that, it wouldn't stop at
all, but someone told me to make sure the doors in on the system in the
garage were on tight. I messed around and it went off. Now it just comes
on occasionally.

My electric bill is going to be more than my budget if I can't find a fix.

Thanks!

Pull the fuse or trip the breaker to off.
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On Apr 29, 9:18*pm, cjt wrote:
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*wrote:
On 4/29/2012 7:29 PM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
* wrote:


Just temporarily disconnect the thermostat if you
want to rule that out.


I pulled the batteries out of the thermostat for 10-15 seconds. *When I
put
them back in, the fan immediately kicked on and finally shut off.


Check to see if there is an LED light blinking on the furnace unit. There
could be an error code. *May be minor, may be major, may be nothing at
all. *Worth investigating.


My Lennox system is 30 years old, I think before they got LED. :-)


Anyway, I went out and turned the pilot light to the heat (gas) and then
turned off the gas to the unit. *So far the fan hasn't came back on.
crosses fingers


Perhaps the heat on the flame on the pilot heated the central system, and it
kicked on just to disperse that heat. *At least that is what I am hoping
for...sigh. *I should have just rented a husband!lol


T


That's a very real possibility on a system that old.


*I had the same
thing happen one especially hot day. *For a complete solution I needed
to adjust the fan limit switch to not come on until it reached a
somewhat higher temperature (my furnace is in the attic, and here in
Texas it can reach 150 up there on a hot day, which is where the switch
had been set to turn on the fan during heating season).- Hide quoted text -


If the attic is getting that hot, why blame the pilot light?
Those temps would make any furnace using a simple
thermo switch for the blower to go on. Not to mention
what those temps would be doing to your roof.
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On Apr 29, 9:18 pm, cjt wrote:
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wrote:
On 4/29/2012 7:29 PM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
wrote:


Just temporarily disconnect the thermostat if you
want to rule that out.


I pulled the batteries out of the thermostat for 10-15 seconds. When
I
put
them back in, the fan immediately kicked on and finally shut off.


Check to see if there is an LED light blinking on the furnace unit.
There
could be an error code. May be minor, may be major, may be nothing at
all. Worth investigating.


My Lennox system is 30 years old, I think before they got LED. :-)


Anyway, I went out and turned the pilot light to the heat (gas) and
then
turned off the gas to the unit. So far the fan hasn't came back on.
crosses fingers


Perhaps the heat on the flame on the pilot heated the central system,
and it
kicked on just to disperse that heat. At least that is what I am
hoping
for...sigh. I should have just rented a husband!lol


T


That's a very real possibility on a system that old.


I had the same
thing happen one especially hot day. For a complete solution I needed
to adjust the fan limit switch to not come on until it reached a
somewhat higher temperature (my furnace is in the attic, and here in
Texas it can reach 150 up there on a hot day, which is where the switch
had been set to turn on the fan during heating season).- Hide quoted
text -


If the attic is getting that hot, why blame the pilot light?
Those temps would make any furnace using a simple
thermo switch for the blower to go on. Not to mention
what those temps would be doing to your roof.


150 is not good for anything to operate. I'd have that attic very well
ventilated to get it down near ambient. Big fan at one end, big opening at
the other.

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On 04/29/2012 07:44 PM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
wrote:
On 4/29/2012 7:29 PM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
wrote:

Just temporarily disconnect the thermostat if you
want to rule that out.

I pulled the batteries out of the thermostat for 10-15 seconds. When I
put
them back in, the fan immediately kicked on and finally shut off.




Check to see if there is an LED light blinking on the furnace unit.
There
could be an error code. May be minor, may be major, may be nothing at
all. Worth investigating.


My Lennox system is 30 years old, I think before they got LED. :-)

Anyway, I went out and turned the pilot light to the heat (gas) and then
turned off the gas to the unit. So far the fan hasn't came back on.
crosses fingers

Perhaps the heat on the flame on the pilot heated the central system, and
it
kicked on just to disperse that heat. At least that is what I am hoping
for...sigh. I should have just rented a husband!lol

T


That's a very real possibility on a system that old. I had the same thing
happen one especially hot day. For a complete solution I needed to adjust
the fan limit switch to not come on until it reached a somewhat higher
temperature (my furnace is in the attic, and here in Texas it can reach
150 up there on a hot day, which is where the switch had been set to turn
on the fan during heating season).


So you had it turned up high enough to fan the flames? ;-) I have an attic
fan that comes on at a certain temp. At first that was what I thought was
happening, until I went in the attic and found that was not the problem.
Since I pulled the batteries in the thermostat and doused the natural gas
pilot, the problem has went away.

Thanks to everyone who answered my post!

T




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On 4/30/2012 9:43 AM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
wrote:
On 04/29/2012 07:44 PM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
wrote:
On 4/29/2012 7:29 PM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
wrote:

Just temporarily disconnect the thermostat if you
want to rule that out.
I pulled the batteries out of the thermostat for 10-15 seconds. When I
put
them back in, the fan immediately kicked on and finally shut off.



Check to see if there is an LED light blinking on the furnace unit.
There
could be an error code. May be minor, may be major, may be nothing at
all. Worth investigating.
My Lennox system is 30 years old, I think before they got LED. :-)

Anyway, I went out and turned the pilot light to the heat (gas) and then
turned off the gas to the unit. So far the fan hasn't came back on.
crosses fingers

Perhaps the heat on the flame on the pilot heated the central system, and
it
kicked on just to disperse that heat. At least that is what I am hoping
for...sigh. I should have just rented a husband!lol

T


That's a very real possibility on a system that old. I had the same thing
happen one especially hot day. For a complete solution I needed to adjust
the fan limit switch to not come on until it reached a somewhat higher
temperature (my furnace is in the attic, and here in Texas it can reach
150 up there on a hot day, which is where the switch had been set to turn
on the fan during heating season).

So you had it turned up high enough to fan the flames? ;-) I have an attic
fan that comes on at a certain temp. At first that was what I thought was
happening, until I went in the attic and found that was not the problem.
Since I pulled the batteries in the thermostat and doused the natural gas
pilot, the problem has went away.

Thanks to everyone who answered my post!

T



It's good to hear your system lasted that long but you might want to
look into getting a new one and have someone look at your duct work too.
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It's good to hear your system lasted that long but you might want to look
into getting a new one and have someone look at your duct work too.


I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. I am glad I have waited this
long.

I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional' comes out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85 for 5
minutes of work. I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't afford a
new unit at this time. But it is on my wish list...after the election, when
I hope to be able to get a job. :-)

T


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I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. I am glad I have waited this
long.

I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional' comes out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85 for 5
minutes of work. I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't afford a
new unit at this time. But it is on my wish list...after the election,
when I hope to be able to get a job. :-)

T

Once you get working, think about a new unit. It may pay for itself with
energy savings.

Oh, that tech worked more than five minutes, unless he lived next door. And
he has a lot of costs to maintain that truck and tools. In this area, it is
about $120 to ring the doorbell.

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"Tamara Lynn" wrote in message
I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. I am glad I have waited
this long.

I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional' comes
out. One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me
$85 for 5 minutes of work. I am a single mother, now unemployed and
can't afford a new unit at this time. But it is on my wish
list...after the election, when I hope to be able to get a job. :-)

T

Once you get working, think about a new unit. It may pay for itself
with energy savings.

Oh, that tech worked more than five minutes, unless he lived next
door. And he has a lot of costs to maintain that truck and tools. In
this area, it is about $120 to ring the doorbell.


Yup. I had a HVAC tech come out yesterday for maintenance and he only
charged $70. I'd charge a lot more.

Tamara: If you try to budget in a small amount in your monthly budget at
least you'd have something for a major breakdown. That's how we did ours
and it wasn't anywhere near as old as yours. A new system might save you
a bit on your electric bill too.
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"Tamara Lynn" wrote in message
I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. I am glad I have waited this
long.

I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional' comes out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85 for 5
minutes of work. I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't afford a
new unit at this time. But it is on my wish list...after the election,
when I hope to be able to get a job. :-)

T

Once you get working, think about a new unit. It may pay for itself with
energy savings.

Oh, that tech worked more than five minutes, unless he lived next door.
And he has a lot of costs to maintain that truck and tools. In this area,
it is about $120 to ring the doorbell.


As I said above, it's on my wish list. I had two bids to buy one at the
time I lost my job. I have to live on meager savings, because my child
support is more than $367 per month, which means no foods stamps or
healthcare.

As to $120 to ring the bell, well that is pure bull****. Not only am I an
accountant, but have owned and ran several businesses over 25 years. I am
not going to break down the costs for you, but he was practically next door.
The one before him lied about a pound on the freon.

I may be a female, but I am not an idiot. lol





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150 is not good for anything to operate. I'd have that attic very well
ventilated to get it down near ambient. Big fan at one end, big opening
at the other.


I have my attic fan set at about 100 degrees, which lowers my energy bills.


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On 4/30/2012 10:41 AM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
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I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. I am glad I have waited this
long.

I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional' comes out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85 for 5
minutes of work. I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't afford a
new unit at this time. But it is on my wish list...after the election,
when I hope to be able to get a job. :-)

T

Once you get working, think about a new unit. It may pay for itself with
energy savings.

Oh, that tech worked more than five minutes, unless he lived next door.
And he has a lot of costs to maintain that truck and tools. In this area,
it is about $120 to ring the doorbell.

As I said above, it's on my wish list. I had two bids to buy one at the
time I lost my job. I have to live on meager savings, because my child
support is more than $367 per month, which means no foods stamps or
healthcare.

As to $120 to ring the bell, well that is pure bull****. Not only am I an
accountant, but have owned and ran several businesses over 25 years. I am
not going to break down the costs for you, but he was practically next door.
The one before him lied about a pound on the freon.

I may be a female, but I am not an idiot.lol




That $85 sounds like a min charge and not at all unusual. You're an
accountant so so know what "opportunity cost" is. If you don't want to
pay the min charge, don't have them come out. They have to have some
form of protection. I always ask what the min service charge is upfront.
It's good to know the hourly rate after that too.

BTW: AFAIK, Freon is only going to get more expensive. I don't get upset
about markups until they get past 100% but it's common to go well over that.
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"gonjah" gonjah.net wrote:

That $85 sounds like a min charge and not at all unusual. You're an
accountant so so know what "opportunity cost" is. If you don't want to pay
the min charge, don't have them come out. They have to have some form of
protection. I always ask what the min service charge is upfront. It's good
to know the hourly rate after that too.


I should clarify that $85 in my area is not a bad charge. My point is I
don't have the money to have some one come out. (hence, my post)

I usually pay the yearly fee early for them to come out and check things
out, etc. Seems like lately they are coming out for foolish things, instead
of servicing the system and I wanted to make sure it wasn't something silly
I just overlooked. My old A/C guy could diagnois my problem on the phone,
but he finally retired. He service the unit for most of the thirty years.
(Before I owned it.)

I can paint, roof a home, change an electrical outlet, repair a post and
panel on my stockade fence, replace a sink faucet, just to name a few...


BTW: AFAIK, Freon is only going to get more expensive. I don't get upset
about markups until they get past 100% but it's common to go well over
that.


T


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On 4/30/2012 3:19 PM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
"gonjah"gonjah.net wrote:

That $85 sounds like a min charge and not at all unusual. You're an
accountant so so know what "opportunity cost" is. If you don't want to pay
the min charge, don't have them come out. They have to have some form of
protection. I always ask what the min service charge is upfront. It's good
to know the hourly rate after that too.

I should clarify that $85 in my area is not a bad charge. My point is I
don't have the money to have some one come out. (hence, my post)

I usually pay the yearly fee early for them to come out and check things
out, etc. Seems like lately they are coming out for foolish things, instead
of servicing the system and I wanted to make sure it wasn't something silly
I just overlooked. My old A/C guy could diagnois my problem on the phone,
but he finally retired. He service the unit for most of the thirty years.
(Before I owned it.)


I was wondering about that. Someone gave it a lot of TLC.


I can paint, roof a home, change an electrical outlet, repair a post and
panel on my stockade fence, replace a sink faucet, just to name a few...



Necessity is the mother of invention.


BTW: AFAIK, Freon is only going to get more expensive. I don't get upset
about markups until they get past 100% but it's common to go well over
that.

T




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On Apr 30, 11:41*am, "Tamara Lynn" wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:

"Tamara Lynn" wrote in message
I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. *I am glad I have waited this
long.


I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional' comes out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85 for 5
minutes of work. *I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't afford a
new unit at this time. *But it is on my wish list...after the election,
when I hope to be able to get a job. :-)


T

Once you get working, think about a new unit. *It may pay for itself with
energy savings.


Oh, that tech worked more than five minutes, unless he lived next door.
And he has a lot of costs to maintain that truck and tools. *In this area,
it is about $120 to ring the doorbell.


As I said above, it's on my wish list. *I had two bids to buy one at the
time I lost my job. *I have to live on meager savings, because my child
support is more than $367 per month, which means no foods stamps or
healthcare.

As to $120 to ring the bell, well that is pure bull****. *Not only am I an
accountant, but have owned and ran several businesses over 25 years. *I am
not going to break down the costs for you, but he was practically next door.
The one before him lied about a pound on the freon.

I may be a female, but I am not an idiot. *lol- Hide quoted text -


I agree that it's very easy for a dishonest repair guy to
pad the bill for an extra pound of freon. But I'm sure
I'm not the only one wondering how you would know.
Did you weigh the system before and after he serviced
it?


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As to $120 to ring the bell, well that is pure bull****. Not only am I an
accountant, but have owned and ran several businesses over 25 years. I am
not going to break down the costs for you, but he was practically next
door. The one before him lied about a pound on the freon.

I may be a female, but I am not an idiot. lol


Call it BS if you want, but that is a typical minimum charge in many areas
for a service call. You don't have to break down the cost, but that is what
they charge. Want weekend service? Figure 160+ Maybe they have better
paid accountants.

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Once you get working, think about a new unit. It may pay for itself with
energy savings.

Oh, that tech worked more than five minutes, unless he lived next door.
And he has a lot of costs to maintain that truck and tools. In this area,
it is about $120 to ring the doorbell.


You must live in NYC for it to be that high of a price. :-)

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Maybe they have better paid accountants.


I hope so...

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I usually pay the yearly fee early for them to come out and check things
out, etc. Seems like lately they are coming out for foolish things,
instead
of servicing the system and I wanted to make sure it wasn't something
silly
I just overlooked. My old A/C guy could diagnois my problem on the
phone,
but he finally retired. He service the unit for most of the thirty
years.
(Before I owned it.)


I was wondering about that. Someone gave it a lot of TLC.


I agree!


I can paint, roof a home, change an electrical outlet, repair a post and
panel on my stockade fence, replace a sink faucet, just to name a few...



Necessity is the mother of invention.


Exactly!

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I agree that it's very easy for a dishonest repair guy to
pad the bill for an extra pound of freon. But I'm sure
I'm not the only one wondering how you would know.
Did you weigh the system before and after he serviced
it?


Like I should tell YOU how to rip customers off? lol

For years it was either NO freon or half a pound. Then comes along 2
pounder. Next year nothing, etc. for a couple of years...then I talked to
the orginal guy and he told me the charge was bullsit.

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I agree that it's very easy for a dishonest repair guy to
pad the bill for an extra pound of freon. *But I'm sure
I'm not the only one wondering how you would know.
Did you weigh the system before and after he serviced
it?


Like I should tell YOU how to rip customers off? lol

For years it was either NO freon or half a pound. *Then comes along 2
pounder. *Next year nothing, etc. for a couple of years...then I talked to
the orginal guy and he told me the charge was bullsit.

T


Now I see. It's either they hose you for 1/2 a pound or
they hose you for 2 pounds. I don't have that problem
because for 25 years I haven't had the routine yearly
service. I just remove the leaves, change the filters
and make sure it starts up.
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It's good to hear your system lasted that long but you might want to look
into getting a new one and have someone look at your duct work too.


I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. I am glad I have waited this
long.

I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional' comes out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85 for 5
minutes of work. I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't afford a
new unit at this time. But it is on my wish list...after the election, when
I hope to be able to get a job. :-)

T


I once had a "professional" come out who disconnected every wire he
could find, then called me over, pointed at the mess he'd made, and
said, "It's ruined, we'll have to replace the whole unit." I sent him
packing. But in the end he had done so much damage that I actually DID
have to replace the whole unit, at considerable cost. Since then I do
my own servicing.
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On 04/30/2012 10:41 AM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
"Ed wrote:

"Tamara wrote in message
I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. I am glad I have waited this
long.

I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional' comes out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85 for 5
minutes of work. I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't afford a
new unit at this time. But it is on my wish list...after the election,
when I hope to be able to get a job. :-)

T

Once you get working, think about a new unit. It may pay for itself with
energy savings.

Oh, that tech worked more than five minutes, unless he lived next door.
And he has a lot of costs to maintain that truck and tools. In this area,
it is about $120 to ring the doorbell.


As I said above, it's on my wish list. I had two bids to buy one at the
time I lost my job. I have to live on meager savings, because my child
support is more than $367 per month, which means no foods stamps or
healthcare.

As to $120 to ring the bell, well that is pure bull****. Not only am I an
accountant, but have owned and ran several businesses over 25 years. I am
not going to break down the costs for you, but he was practically next door.
The one before him lied about a pound on the freon.

I may be a female, but I am not an idiot.lol



HVAC seems to attract crooks, IMHO.
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On 4/30/2012 8:46 PM, cjt wrote:
On 04/30/2012 10:02 AM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
wrote:

It's good to hear your system lasted that long but you might want to
look
into getting a new one and have someone look at your duct work too.


I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. I am glad I have waited this
long.

I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional' comes
out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85 for 5
minutes of work. I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't
afford a
new unit at this time. But it is on my wish list...after the
election, when
I hope to be able to get a job. :-)

T


I once had a "professional" come out who disconnected every wire he
could find, then called me over, pointed at the mess he'd made, and
said, "It's ruined, we'll have to replace the whole unit." I sent him
packing. But in the end he had done so much damage that I actually
DID have to replace the whole unit, at considerable cost. Since then
I do my own servicing.


It really pays to check references. I have no desire to fix my own HVAC
when there are plenty of qualified techs that do honest work and can get
the job done in a fraction of the time. YMMV.
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On 4/30/2012 8:48 PM, cjt wrote:
On 04/30/2012 10:41 AM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
"Ed wrote:

"Tamara wrote in message
I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. I am glad I have waited
this
long.

I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional'
comes out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85
for 5
minutes of work. I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't
afford a
new unit at this time. But it is on my wish list...after the
election,
when I hope to be able to get a job. :-)

T
Once you get working, think about a new unit. It may pay for itself
with
energy savings.

Oh, that tech worked more than five minutes, unless he lived next door.
And he has a lot of costs to maintain that truck and tools. In this
area,
it is about $120 to ring the doorbell.


As I said above, it's on my wish list. I had two bids to buy one at the
time I lost my job. I have to live on meager savings, because my child
support is more than $367 per month, which means no foods stamps or
healthcare.

As to $120 to ring the bell, well that is pure bull****. Not only am
I an
accountant, but have owned and ran several businesses over 25 years.
I am
not going to break down the costs for you, but he was practically
next door.
The one before him lied about a pound on the freon.

I may be a female, but I am not an idiot.lol



HVAC seems to attract crooks, IMHO.



Conjecture you can't back up with any meaningful stats. Fact is, most of
these techs work for companies that have no interest in screwing anybody
because they live an die by their reputations just like any business.


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On 4/30/2012 8:48 PM, cjt wrote:





On 04/30/2012 10:41 AM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
"Ed *wrote:


"Tamara *wrote in message
I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. *I am glad I have waited
this
long.


I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional'
comes out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85
for 5
minutes of work. *I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't
afford a
new unit at this time. *But it is on my wish list...after the
election,
when I hope to be able to get a job. :-)


T
Once you get working, think about a new unit. *It may pay for itself
with
energy savings.


Oh, that tech worked more than five minutes, unless he lived next door.

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On 5/1/2012 7:40 AM, wrote:
On May 1, 2:45 am, gonjahgonjah.net wrote:
On 4/30/2012 8:48 PM, cjt wrote:





On 04/30/2012 10:41 AM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
"Ed wrote:
"Tamara wrote in message
I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. I am glad I have waited
this
long.
I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional'
comes out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85
for 5
minutes of work. I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't
afford a
new unit at this time. But it is on my wish list...after the
election,
when I hope to be able to get a job. :-)
T
Once you get working, think about a new unit. It may pay for itself
with
energy savings.
Oh, that tech worked more than five minutes, unless he lived next door.
And he has a lot of costs to maintain that truck and tools. In this
area,
it is about $120 to ring the doorbell.
As I said above, it's on my wish list. I had two bids to buy one at the
time I lost my job. I have to live on meager savings, because my child
support is more than $367 per month, which means no foods stamps or
healthcare.
As to $120 to ring the bell, well that is pure bull****. Not only am
I an
accountant, but have owned and ran several businesses over 25 years.
I am
not going to break down the costs for you, but he was practically
next door.
The one before him lied about a pound on the freon.
I may be a female, but I am not an idiot.lol
HVAC seems to attract crooks, IMHO.

Conjecture you can't back up with any meaningful stats. Fact is, most of
these techs work for companies that have no interest in screwing anybody
because they live an die by their reputations just like any business.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Statistics? I doubt there are any statistics and
how you would get any would take quite an effort.
It's not like traffic deaths where they are clear and
logged.


That's what I said.

"Conjecture you can't back up with any meaningful stats."



I have seen enough undercover and sting operations
over the years to believe that there are in fact plenty
of scammers. Someone posted a link on here a couple
years ago to an undercover TV investigation in
Phoenix where they had two experts verify that an
AC system was working perfectly. Then they just
pulled out the fuse disconnect slightly and called
4 companies they picked out of the phone book.
Two told the lady who was the homeowner that
the system was shot, couldn't be fixed,
and needed to be replaced. One of those even
stated that it wasn't a voltage problem because
he measured 240V at the compressor. Of the other
two, one reinserted the disconnect and charged for
the call. The last one did the same, but refused to
charge anything.



The experience I've had here in Texas is that it pays to check
references. The HVAC tech I had come out on Saturday told me what needed
to be done and showed me how to do it.

There was a show on one of the major networks (ABC?) not too long ago
about gargage door and swimming pool repair men in Phoenix. Both of
which I've had pretty good results with here.





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online manual that doesn't seem to help

http://www.honeywellcentral.com/ssi/...30B_manual.pdf


It won't, because you have a problem that the designers of the system never intended the average homeowner to diagnose and fix themselves.

IMHO this is one of those times that "if you have to ask, it's best to call in a professional." It actually costs NOTHING to call a professional and ask their opinion. You can always say "Not today, thanks" if they tell you that you should arrange a service call, and try a different outfit.
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On May 1, 10:26*am, gonjah wrote:
On 5/1/2012 7:40 AM, wrote:





On May 1, 2:45 am, gonjahgonjah.net *wrote:
On 4/30/2012 8:48 PM, cjt wrote:


On 04/30/2012 10:41 AM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
"Ed * *wrote:
"Tamara * *wrote in message
I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. *I am glad I have waited
this
long.
I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional'
comes out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85
for 5
minutes of work. *I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't
afford a
new unit at this time. *But it is on my wish list...after the
election,
when I hope to be able to get a job. :-)
T
Once you get working, think about a new unit. *It may pay for itself
with
energy savings.
Oh, that tech worked more than five minutes, unless he lived next door.
And he has a lot of costs to maintain that truck and tools. *In this
area,
it is about $120 to ring the doorbell.
As I said above, it's on my wish list. *I had two bids to buy one at the
time I lost my job. *I have to live on meager savings, because my child
support is more than $367 per month, which means no foods stamps or
healthcare.
As to $120 to ring the bell, well that is pure bull****. *Not only am
I an
accountant, but have owned and ran several businesses over 25 years.
I am
not going to break down the costs for you, but he was practically
next door.
The one before him lied about a pound on the freon.
I may be a female, but I am not an idiot.lol
HVAC seems to attract crooks, IMHO.
Conjecture you can't back up with any meaningful stats. Fact is, most of
these techs work for companies that have no interest in screwing anybody
because they live an die by their reputations just like any business.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -

Statistics? * I doubt there are any statistics and
how you would get any would take quite an effort.
It's not like traffic deaths where they are clear and
logged.


That's what I said.

"Conjecture you can't back up with any meaningful stats."





Just as you can't back up your claim that they are
inherently honest. There are plenty of contractors out
there that make a career of screwing customers.
Examples being the home improvement guys that
contract to do a bathroom, take customers money,
do some half-assed work with no permits, then
disappear. And that happens plenty of times.
I don't think statistics are necessary. Life experience
is enough in cases like this.



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On May 1, 10:26 am, wrote:
On 5/1/2012 7:40 AM, wrote:





On May 1, 2:45 am, gonjahgonjah.net wrote:
On 4/30/2012 8:48 PM, cjt wrote:
On 04/30/2012 10:41 AM, Tamara Lynn wrote:
"Ed wrote:
"Tamara wrote in message
I was told about 16 years ago when I bought the house that the Lennox
central heat and air was on its last leg. I am glad I have waited
this
long.
I have been cheated nearly every time a service 'professional'
comes out.
One drove a half a mile, slammed the doors shut and billed me $85
for 5
minutes of work. I am a single mother, now unemployed and can't
afford a
new unit at this time. But it is on my wish list...after the
election,
when I hope to be able to get a job. :-)
T
Once you get working, think about a new unit. It may pay for itself
with
energy savings.
Oh, that tech worked more than five minutes, unless he lived next door.
And he has a lot of costs to maintain that truck and tools. In this
area,
it is about $120 to ring the doorbell.
As I said above, it's on my wish list. I had two bids to buy one at the
time I lost my job. I have to live on meager savings, because my child
support is more than $367 per month, which means no foods stamps or
healthcare.
As to $120 to ring the bell, well that is pure bull****. Not only am
I an
accountant, but have owned and ran several businesses over 25 years.
I am
not going to break down the costs for you, but he was practically
next door.
The one before him lied about a pound on the freon.
I may be a female, but I am not an idiot.lol
HVAC seems to attract crooks, IMHO.
Conjecture you can't back up with any meaningful stats. Fact is, most of
these techs work for companies that have no interest in screwing anybody
because they live an die by their reputations just like any business.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Statistics? I doubt there are any statistics and
how you would get any would take quite an effort.
It's not like traffic deaths where they are clear and
logged.

That's what I said.

"Conjecture you can't back up with any meaningful stats."




Just as you can't back up your claim that they are
inherently honest. There are plenty of contractors out
there that make a career of screwing customers.
Examples being the home improvement guys that
contract to do a bathroom, take customers money,
do some half-assed work with no permits, then
disappear. And that happens plenty of times.
I don't think statistics are necessary. Life experience
is enough in cases like this.




Yeah, is see your point. Maybe a glass half full/empty type of thing
too. I basically trust people until they screw me which might be why I
get so upset when they do.

But from my experiences, here at least, I'd give Central Texans a higher
than average score for honesty. I've had quite a few people come out and
work for me and so far I've gotten my money's worth.

WTS: I keep my eye on them and I always check references, thoroughly.
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