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incandescent light bulb phase-out in the U.S. (are flood bulbs exempt?)
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incandescent light bulb phase-out in the U.S. (are flood bulbs exempt?)
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 05:43:18 +0000 (UTC), Don Klipstein
wrote: On 2011-09-12, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On 12 Sep 2011 14:36:41 GMT, Han wrote: " wrote in : You're 100% wrong. Light is an *INSIGNIFICANT* part of my electric bill. If you leave your TV on standby when not watching, then that is a significant portion. Wrong. On standby it's next to nothing. When it's on (a significant part of the day) it's around 100X the power. I have a TV and a "Kill-A-Watt" meter. My TV consumes 12 watts when "off" and averaging about 70 watts when "on". 500W on/5W standby = 100x. Next. As a result, I have a power strip to cut power to my TV for the majority of the day when I am sleeping, at work or commuting, using my computer, or doing other activities besides TV-watching. Not worthwhile. Fridge and A/C are most important, You forgot hot water and heat. I spent my whole life in homes where heat and hot water were done with fossil fuels. Goody for you. That isn't normal, here. Electric HW and heat pumps are the norm here. A few morons have bought into the "green" thing and have been suckered into LP tankless heaters, but 90% are electric tank heaters. then other appliances. Light may be a small portion, but CFL's do cut that part very nicely. A couple of bucks a month. Maximum. At USA national average, $2/month is about 18 KWH/month, or about 600 watt-hours per day. That is equivalent to all home lighting being restricted to a single 300W halogen torchiere restricted to 2 hours per day, or each day having combined-per-bulb 6 hours of running 100-watt bulbs or 10 60-watt bulbs. That's about right; maybe a *little* more. I do know how to calculate Wh. Since CFLs can easily cut this by as little as 2/3, make that 3 hours per day of combined operation of 3400W halogen torchiere fixtures, or 9 hours per day and bulb (combined-multiplied) for 100W bulbs, or 15 hours per bulb per day all-done with 60-watters. It appears strongly to me that most Americans use a lot more lighting than equivalent to 3 60-watt incandescents 5 hours a day or 5 of them 3 hours a day. Whoopie! I don't care. It's there with the pocket lint. While incandescant bulbs may have a slightly nicer light, we have gone to CFLs wherever we can. CFLs will always be ugly and I'm not convinced that LEDs will be any better for omnidirectional fixtures. That's the primary reason I've laid in a lifetime supply of incandescents. So you say... I did. You don't dispute. |
incandescent light bulb phase-out in the U.S. (are flood bulbs exempt?)
"Don Klipstein" wrote in message ... On 2011-09-16, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On 16 Sep 2011 05:43:18 0 UTC, Don Klipstein wrote: On 2011-09-12, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On 12 Sep 2011 14:36:41 GMT, Han wrote: slight snip to edit for space If you leave your TV on standby when not watching, then that is a significant portion. Wrong. On standby it's next to nothing. When it's on (a significant part of the day) it's around 100X the power. I have a TV and a "Kill-A-Watt" meter. My TV consumes 12 watts when "off" and averaging about 70 watts when "on". 500W on/5W standby = 100x. Next. As a result, I have a power strip to cut power to my TV for the majority of the day when I am sleeping, at work or commuting, using my computer, or doing other activities besides TV-watching. Not worthwhile. SNIP from here 12 watts * 22 hours/day * 365 days/1 year * 1KW/1000W * $.14/KWH = $13.49/year in the case of my TV. In my case, the power strip paid for itself in less than a year. -- - Don Klipstein ) Excellent, Don. 12 watts is indeed substantial. I've been wondering why the California Energy Commission folks have been so interested in what they call "phantom loads". You prompt me to measure my TV as well. Terry McGowan |
incandescent light bulb phase-out in the U.S. (are flood bulbs exempt?)
In Don Klipstein
wrote: As a result, I have a power strip to cut power to my TV for the majority of the day when I am sleeping, at work or commuting, using my computer, or doing other activities besides TV-watching. Does your TV remember its settings when power's restored? Mine don't. -- St. Paul, MN |
incandescent light bulb phase-out in the U.S. (are flood bulbs exempt?)
On 2011-09-17, Bert wrote:
In Don Klipstein wrote: As a result, I have a power strip to cut power to my TV for the majority of the day when I am sleeping, at work or commuting, using my computer, or doing other activities besides TV-watching. Does your TV remember its settings when power's restored? Mine don't. Mine does. -- - Don Klipstein |
incandescent light bulb phase-out in the U.S. (are flood bulbs exempt?)
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 02:36:01 +0000 (UTC), Don Klipstein
wrote: On 2011-09-16, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On 16 Sep 2011 05:43:18 0 UTC, Don Klipstein wrote: On 2011-09-12, zzzzzzzzzz wrote: On 12 Sep 2011 14:36:41 GMT, Han wrote: slight snip to edit for space If you leave your TV on standby when not watching, then that is a significant portion. Wrong. On standby it's next to nothing. When it's on (a significant part of the day) it's around 100X the power. I have a TV and a "Kill-A-Watt" meter. My TV consumes 12 watts when "off" and averaging about 70 watts when "on". 500W on/5W standby = 100x. Next. As a result, I have a power strip to cut power to my TV for the majority of the day when I am sleeping, at work or commuting, using my computer, or doing other activities besides TV-watching. Not worthwhile. SNIP from here 12 watts * 22 hours/day * 365 days/1 year * 1KW/1000W * $.14/KWH = $13.49/year in the case of my TV. In my case, the power strip paid for itself in less than a year. Wow! WTFC? The Satellite box is several times that and it *hates* being powered off. |
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