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Living off grid is aparently now a crime
Aparently, yes.
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: Learn more about Jesus There is nothing to learn, Jesus was never real. |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
Sure, he is. I heard so, from the easter bunny.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: Learn more about Jesus There is nothing to learn, Jesus was never real. |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
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Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: Aparently, yes. http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Spit! A bunch a tofu fartin' fairies run LA. I hear SF wants to ban circumcision and goldfish. Next, you won't be allowed to have a circumcised goldfish. Sheez (I imagine the ACLU sits this one out) |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
I thought he runs a lawn mowing service?
He's related to that Theodore guy, they both answer when called "Hey! Seuss!" (Dr. Seuss name is Theodore Seuss Geisel, as memory recalls....) -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Oren" wrote in message ... On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:30:21 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: Learn more about Jesus There is nothing to learn, Jesus was never real. Lie. He has a brother named Jose. Google Jesus. |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
Bother! I was just going to have my goldfish circumcised.
Did you hear that Columbus circumcised the globe with a 100 foot clipper? Heard that on an email, about things kids write. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Oren" wrote in message ... On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: Aparently, yes. http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Spit! A bunch a tofu fartin' fairies run LA. I hear SF wants to ban circumcision and goldfish. Next, you won't be allowed to have a circumcised goldfish. Sheez (I imagine the ACLU sits this one out) |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Aparently, yes. http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBmzzb2Wdu4 |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
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Living off grid is aparently now a crime
Oren wrote:
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: Aparently, yes. http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Spit! A bunch a tofu fartin' fairies run LA. I hear SF wants to ban circumcision and goldfish. Next, you won't be allowed to have a circumcised goldfish. Sheez That's strange. My instruction manual for circumcising a whale begins: 1. Recruit four skin divers... |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
Aparently, yes. http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be connected to the power grid or can't live on his property! Everybody should fight this tooth and nail. |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
Oren wrote the following:
On Fri, 09 Sep 2011 16:30:21 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: Learn more about Jesus There is nothing to learn, Jesus was never real. Lie. He has a brother named Jose. Google Jesus. He had two brothers, Felipe and Matty. All three played for the San Francisco Giants in 1963. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On Sep 9, 5:56*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: (Dr. Seuss name is Theodore Seuss Geisel, as memory recalls....) Thanks for the aside...for us illiterates. Your attempt at humor is at, one out of 50, at this point! |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On Sep 10, 7:46*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
Oren wrote: On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:20:12 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: Aparently, yes. * *http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Spit! *A bunch a tofu fartin' fairies run LA. I hear SF wants to ban circumcision and goldfish. Next, you won't be allowed to have a circumcised *goldfish. Sheez That's strange. My instruction manual for circumcising a whale begins: 1. Recruit four skin divers... For Stormon, that would be: Recruit "fore-skin" divers... |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On Sep 10, 9:07*am, "Bill" wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" *wrote in message Aparently, yes. * *http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be connected to the power grid or can't live on his property! Everybody should fight this tooth and nail. Folks that think the government is the solution to all of our problems need to wake up. They won't, but they need to. |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On 2011-09-10, Bill wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message Aparently, yes. http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be connected to the power grid or can't live on his property! Everybody should fight this tooth and nail. Now you know why ALL govt buildings now have metal detectors. nb |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Made me think of the two movies: "Chinatown" and "The Two Jakes".... only with some unspecified agenda instead of water. -- PeteCresswell |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On Sep 9, 6:20*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: Aparently, yes. * *http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org . Things are far worse over here in theUK. Typical example. http://www.walletpop.co.uk/2011/09/0...popular_on_aol |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
In article
, OilLamp wrote: On Sep 10, 9:07*am, "Bill" wrote: "Stormin Mormon" *wrote in message Aparently, yes. * *http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be connected to the power grid or can't live on his property! Everybody should fight this tooth and nail. Folks that think the government is the solution to all of our problems need to wake up. They won't, but they need to. You mean corporate owned government, not representative government. But it is a problem. Mexico went socialist in 1917, and the politicians enriched themselves. Then in the 1970, when Mexico was deep in debt, they went neo-liberal and sold everything that wasn't nailed down. The politicians and their cronies bought the best at pennies on the dollar (so to speak). Now the rich politicians are moving out of the country, and leaving it to the narco-terrorists (probably more cronies). Now they are shaking down school teachers for half their salaries. http://www.chron.com/news/nation-wor...achers-face-th reats-2161724.php With a "public campaign finance law", we could take the country back, but the corporations won't allow that. ³Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.² -Lucy Parsons http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Parsons -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:35:30 -0700, Billy
wrote: You mean corporate owned government, not representative government. I cut your sly maneuver to cross post. Are as sure about this as you are about non- intimidation by the Black Panther Party? Git a date! |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On Sep 10, 4:35*pm, Billy wrote:
In article , *OilLamp wrote: On Sep 10, 9:07*am, "Bill" wrote: "Stormin Mormon" *wrote in message Aparently, yes. * *http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be connected to the power grid or can't live on his property! Everybody should fight this tooth and nail. Folks that think the government is the solution to all of our problems need to wake up. They won't, but they need to. You mean corporate owned government, not representative government. But it is a problem. Mexico went socialist in 1917, and the politicians enriched themselves. Then in the 1970, when Mexico was deep in debt, they went neo-liberal and sold everything that wasn't nailed down. The politicians and their cronies bought the best at pennies on the dollar (so to speak). Now the rich politicians are moving out of the country, and leaving it to the narco-terrorists (probably more cronies). Now they are shaking down school teachers for half their salaries. http://www.chron.com/news/nation-wor...achers-face-th reats-2161724.php With a "public campaign finance law", we could take the country back, but the corporations won't allow that. ³Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth.² -Lucy Parsonshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_Parsons -- - Billy Billy, I understand the confusion of thinking that LA County is in Mexico. |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On 10/09/2011 16:34, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Made me think of the two movies: "Chinatown" and "The Two Jakes".... only with some unspecified agenda instead of water. I think "The Two Jakes" was about real estate. Originally there was meant to be a trilogy with the third film addressing the LA public transport system (it was sold to Ford and General Motors! who basically shut it down). Some people think that "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" was that film. Another Dave |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Aparently, yes. http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ I can believe it. Julie Bass of Oak Park in $some_state was threatened with 93 days in jail for growing vegetables on her property. Granted, in the front yard. Which the town had just dug up for something. |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On 9/9/2011 12:20 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Aparently, yes. http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ It's not that they're going after people for living off the grid, they're aggressively looking for and pursuing code violations. That's a huge change from how the county treated this area in the past, when they used to leave it the hell alone. But suddenly, they're all hot about code enforcement, even in isolated areas. There's a more detailed article about it he http://www.laweekly.com/2011-06-23/n...roperty-war/5/ L.A. County's Private Property War By Mars Melnicoff Thursday, Jun 23 2011 "...The crackdown, and the denial by some that a crackdown is under way, have fueled speculation as to Antonovich's, Cooley's and the NAT teams' motives. Residents suggest "they need to justify their jobs and fill their budget." Others fear a land grab for future development plans. Bell calls that an "absurd" idea that he won't "validate" with a response." If you ask me, this probably wasn't motivated by planned future development. Even in L.A. County, it's going to be a good five years or more before the real estate market recovers to the point where developing that far out would be considered. I think the job justification is more likely on the mark, and encouraged by the county's need to seek more revenue. The best way to avoid having your department shrunk or shut down is to have it bringing in revenue, and with the help of Google Earth and a few private companies that contract with governments to provide detailed map data, it has become much, much easier for governments to ferret out code violations. A lot of people have put in an outbuilding, or a pool or the like without pulling the necessary permits. It used to be too time-consuming to locate these and take action. Nowadays companies sell current map data to counties and cities, who can easily scan the images looking for anything on a property that doesn't match with the county's or city's property description. When they find it, they come a-knockin'. The property owner has a choice: get the permit or take it down. |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On 9/10/2011 9:07 AM, Bill wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message Aparently, yes. http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be connected to the power grid or can't live on his property! Everybody should fight this tooth and nail. That battle was lost LONG ago. As cities and towns extended their borders they swallowed up homes that drew water from dug and drilled wells. Like it or not, the home owners were TOLD they had to connect with city water and sewer or lose legal occupancy rights. The best folks could (and only in some places) was to continue to draw "most" of their water from the well. "Grandfathering in" isn't a general and iron clad "right." Sometimes you have to meet modern "standards" or more out. It would not surprise me at all that a government owned power company would have the law back up it's "right" to provide all the power in a community. But best that "off grid" types can do is supplement city power with some off-grid support. But often governments require utilities (even city owned utilities to purchase back excess off grid power at "retail" rates. (IOW: not have separate meters for power coming and going.) |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
"John Gilmer" wrote in message net... On 9/10/2011 9:07 AM, Bill wrote: "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message Aparently, yes. http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ Sure enough, the guy in the 1st video said LA County says he *must* be connected to the power grid or can't live on his property! Everybody should fight this tooth and nail. That battle was lost LONG ago. As cities and towns extended their borders they swallowed up homes that drew water from dug and drilled wells. Like it or not, the home owners were TOLD they had to connect with city water and sewer or lose legal occupancy rights. The best folks could (and only in some places) was to continue to draw "most" of their water from the well. "Grandfathering in" isn't a general and iron clad "right." Sometimes you have to meet modern "standards" or more out. It would not surprise me at all that a government owned power company would have the law back up it's "right" to provide all the power in a community. But best that "off grid" types can do is supplement city power with some off-grid support. But often governments require utilities (even city owned utilities to purchase back excess off grid power at "retail" rates. (IOW: not have separate meters for power coming and going.) Most (all that I know of personally) run backwards when power is fed to the grid. Quite common in Texas which has a net billing law. Some areas have a law to block new water wells but typically not older connections. However even these have ways to block on going use if by no other means than they outlaw anything except minor maintenance. Much depends on the local/state laws on water rights. In some areas the home owner does not own rights to the rain water that falls on their roof. We had property in the mountains of NC and TN that was located waaaay off grid. One area said no water well but subsidized geo-thermal wells. So when we needed a well the application said geo-thermal and not 'water'. We received the permit with no problems. The only time we saw an inspector was when they asked if they could highlight the installation in their annual report. We had to guide them in as they could not find the place even with a gps. I can see the concern for septic system but even there the technology exist to convert the affluent to meet the legal requirements of potable water. (much of that is spin off of NASA research). |
Living off grid is aparently now a crime
On 9/14/2011 12:48 PM, HellT wrote:
On 9/9/2011 12:20 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Aparently, yes. http://offgridsurvival.com/livingoffthegridcrime/ It's not that they're going after people for living off the grid, they're aggressively looking for and pursuing code violations. That's a huge change from how the county treated this area in the past, when they used to leave it the hell alone. But suddenly, they're all hot about code enforcement, even in isolated areas. There's a more detailed article about it he http://www.laweekly.com/2011-06-23/n...roperty-war/5/ L.A. County's Private Property War By Mars Melnicoff Thursday, Jun 23 2011 "...The crackdown, and the denial by some that a crackdown is under way, have fueled speculation as to Antonovich's, Cooley's and the NAT teams' motives. Residents suggest "they need to justify their jobs and fill their budget." Others fear a land grab for future development plans. Bell calls that an "absurd" idea that he won't "validate" with a response." If you ask me, this probably wasn't motivated by planned future development. Even in L.A. County, it's going to be a good five years or more before the real estate market recovers to the point where developing that far out would be considered. I think the job justification is more likely on the mark, and encouraged by the county's need to seek more revenue. The best way to avoid having your department shrunk or shut down is to have it bringing in revenue, and with the help of Google Earth and a few private companies that contract with governments to provide detailed map data, it has become much, much easier for governments to ferret out code violations. A lot of people have put in an outbuilding, or a pool or the like without pulling the necessary permits. It used to be too time-consuming to locate these and take action. Nowadays companies sell current map data to counties and cities, who can easily scan the images looking for anything on a property that doesn't match with the county's or city's property description. When they find it, they come a-knockin'. The property owner has a choice: get the permit or take it down. It seems there would be a big market for camouflage netting nowadays. ^_^ TDD |
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