In article ,
" wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:18:26 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 20:46:12 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

A "lead-free" reflow oven?

There is no lead in the process. Your point?

My point is that there is no damn difference between a reflow oven for
leaded solder and a reflow oven for RoHS solder. It's advertising
absurdity.

There actually is a difference. Temperature and control. RoHS takes more
of
both. That's why they have as many as 12 zones (as ours does, though it's
not
the one I linked). That many zones isn't necessary for a lead solder
process.
The margin of error is almost zero with RoHS.

I think that's utter nonsense.

You're certainly welcome to believe what you want, but you can't have your
own
set of facts. Sorry.

That's why we replaced the oven. Four zones wasn't enough to do RoHS
reliably. The RoHS process really is that tricky to do right.

You should learn something about the subject before spouting such nonsense.
Your continued defense is telling, though.

Yeah, I guess I don't know much about soldering. Only been making a
living at it for 30 years.

On May 31, 2:55*pm, N8N wrote:
On May 31, 1:45*pm, The Ghost in The Machine
wrote:





On May 31, 8:19*am, N8N wrote:

On May 30, 2:31*pm, "RBM" wrote:

"Evan" wrote in message

...
On May 30, 9:56 am, "RBM" wrote:

** I rarely find burn outs from improperly connected Edison circuits. I'd
have to say that a good percentage of Edison circuits that I explore, are
incorrectly done. Typically, I just find the white wire turns brown from
the
excessive heat, right at the neutral buss.
The OP has a classic, loose connection under a wire nut, with a high
amperage draw, over time anneals the copper, degrades and overheats the
connection to the point of disintegration, and opens the circuit.

Right, except how often do you open up a switch box which has
multiple circuits fed into it and see ALL of the white neutral wires
connected together ?

**I don't believe that there are multiple circuits in this junction box. It
sounds to me like it's one circuit branching off in several directions.This
was standard practice some years ago. Typically, where you find the burn,
you have the problem. It's not impossible that the problem is something more
obscure, just that it typically isn't.

I never said it had to be an Edison circuit, just that if someone had
made an incorrect connection somewhere upstream and connected
the neutral wires from more than one circuit together that could cause
the exact same issue...

Given that the bathroom outlet was replaced with one with a higher
rating by someone who obviously didn't know what they were doing
all bets are off -- there could be several factors which added up to
cause that burn out...

Not necessarily. *Most GFCI receps are rated @ 20A even if they are
NEMA 5-15R. *(so they can be used on a 20A circuit... like a
bathroom.) *Someone probably had a recep in the bathroom and decided
to replace it with a GFCI to make it closer to conforming to current
code. *Makes sense to me. *Problem is that the ckt. is still 15A and
the OP is putting high load on it (which is the reason for the 20A
requirement in the first place.) *We're just speculating at this point
as to why the neutral connection is "melted."

Now if the GFCI is in fact NEMA 5-20R then someone did something that
they shouldn't have, although it is still not the source of the
problem.

nate

Again, no one seems to know what else besides the one GFCI
bathroom outlet is also on the same circuit...

~~ Evan

REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY PLUG INTO THE CIRCUIT IT IS LIMITED AND
PROTECTED UPTO 15AMPS.
I AM WITH EVANS SCHOOL THAT SAYS THE GFCI WAS WIRED IMPROPERLY WITH A
LOOSE NEUTRAL CONNECTION....THEREFOR THE OVERHEATED OR MELTED
INSULATION.
MASTER ELECTRICIANS AND PROFESSIONAL HANDYMEN DO NOT USE PUSHIN
CONNECTOR HOLES IN RECEPTACLES, AND SECURE ALL CONDUCTORS TIGHTLY WITH
THE SCREW OPTION ALWAYS.
TGITM

I agree with everything that you say... *I was just pointing out that
saying that someone installed the wrong GFCI because it's "20 AMP"
isn't necessarily a true statement. *Most GFCIs w/ NEMA 5-15R
receptacle(s) are still rated @ 20A because 5-15Rs are permitted on a
20A circuit and it is often convenient to use a GFCI recep as the
first one in a "string" rather than using a GFCI breaker. *But if it
has a true NEMA 5-20R recep then it was the wrong device but not the
cause of the problem.

nate

AGREED, THE GFCI IS NOT THE CULPRIT PER SE.
I SECOND THE GFI BREAKER INSTALLATIONS IN VINTAGE CIRCUITRY.
IN THEORY YOU CAN OVERRATE A DEVICE AND MAINTAIN CORRELATIVE SAFETY,
BUT YOU CANNOT UNDERATE IT WITH A HIGHER REFERENCE AMPACITY IN THE
MIX.

TGITM
PATECUM

On Jun 1, 12:14*am, "
wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 20:00:26 -0700 (PDT), The Ghost in The Machine

wrote:

I just use the word "nonsense" and who walks in but Roy Queerjano! *Right on
cue, Queerjano!

SHUT UP KIETHTARD I AM NOT ROY QUITANO YOU NINNY.
PLEASE REPORT FOR YOUR SCHEDULED ANAL CHECK UP TO STAR FLEET ENEMA.
PROTEUS IS STILL OFFLINE.
BOOWAHAHAHAHA

YOU DUMMY, ROY IS GONNA MURDERLIZE YOU WHEN HE FINDS OUT YOU KEEP
MENTORING HIM SO RUDELY.......ASSWIPE.

TGITM
PATECUM

On Jun 1, 12:26*am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,





" wrote:
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:18:26 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 20:46:12 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

A "lead-free" reflow oven?

There is no lead in the process. *Your point?

My point is that there is no damn difference between a reflow oven for
leaded solder and a reflow oven for RoHS solder. It's advertising
absurdity.

There actually is a difference. *Temperature and control. *RoHS takes more
of
both. *That's why they have as many as 12 zones (as ours does, though it's
not
the one I linked). *That many zones isn't necessary for a lead solder
process.
The margin of error is almost zero with RoHS.

I think that's utter nonsense.

You're certainly welcome to believe what you want, but you can't have your
own
set of facts. *Sorry. *

That's why we replaced the oven. *Four zones wasn't enough to do RoHS
reliably. *The RoHS process really is that tricky to do right. *

You should learn something about the subject before spouting such nonsense.
Your continued defense is telling, though.

Yeah, I guess I don't know much about soldering. Only been making a
living at it for 30 years.
AHA! SO YOU ADMIT IT.
YOUR NEXT SMITTY...SAY HELLO TO YOUR PHARMACIST FOR US.
AND DONT FORGET THE GINKO.
YOU HAVE STEPPED INTO SOME FUNKY GRAY MATTER.
BOOWAHAHAHAHA

TGITM
PATECUM

The Ghost in The Machine wrote:
On Jun 1, 12:14 am, "
wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 20:00:26 -0700 (PDT), The Ghost in The Machine

wrote:

I just use the word "nonsense" and who walks in but Roy Queerjano! Right on
cue, Queerjano!

SHUT UP KIETHTARD I AM NOT ROY QUITANO YOU NINNY.
PLEASE REPORT FOR YOUR SCHEDULED ANAL CHECK UP TO STAR FLEET ENEMA.
PROTEUS IS STILL OFFLINE.
BOOWAHAHAHAHA

YOU DUMMY, ROY IS GONNA MURDERLIZE YOU WHEN HE FINDS OUT YOU KEEP
MENTORING HIM SO RUDELY.......ASSWIPE.

TGITM
PATECUM
Hmmm,
If you shout/yell like that, no one will listen.

On Jun 1, 1:06*am, Tony Hwang wrote:
The Ghost in The Machine wrote:



On Jun 1, 12:14 am, "
*wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 20:00:26 -0700 (PDT), The Ghost in The Machine

*wrote:

I just use the word "nonsense" and who walks in but Roy Queerjano! *Right on
cue, Queerjano!

SHUT UP KIETHTARD I AM NOT ROY QUITANO YOU NINNY.
PLEASE REPORT FOR YOUR SCHEDULED ANAL CHECK UP TO STAR FLEET ENEMA.
PROTEUS IS STILL OFFLINE.
BOOWAHAHAHAHA

YOU DUMMY, ROY IS GONNA MURDERLIZE YOU WHEN HE FINDS OUT YOU KEEP
MENTORING HIM SO RUDELY.......ASSWIPE.

TGITM
PATECUM

Hmmm,
If you shout/yell like that, no one will listen.

I GUESS NOT WISHFUL THINKING.
BOOWHAHAHAHAHAHA
OH HOHOHOHO
HEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEEHEE
AHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
NOT TODAY.

TGITM
PATECUM

On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:26:03 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:18:26 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 20:46:12 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

A "lead-free" reflow oven?

There is no lead in the process. Your point?

My point is that there is no damn difference between a reflow oven for
leaded solder and a reflow oven for RoHS solder. It's advertising
absurdity.

There actually is a difference. Temperature and control. RoHS takes more
of
both. That's why they have as many as 12 zones (as ours does, though it's
not
the one I linked). That many zones isn't necessary for a lead solder
process.
The margin of error is almost zero with RoHS.

I think that's utter nonsense.

You're certainly welcome to believe what you want, but you can't have your
own
set of facts. Sorry.

That's why we replaced the oven. Four zones wasn't enough to do RoHS
reliably. The RoHS process really is that tricky to do right.

You should learn something about the subject before spouting such nonsense.
Your continued defense is telling, though.

Yeah, I guess I don't know much about soldering. Only been making a
living at it for 30 years.

You've been making a living on RoHS soldering for 30 years? Somehow I doubt
that. You obviously know *nothing* about the subject.

In article ,
" wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:26:03 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:18:26 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 20:46:12 -0700, Smitty Two

wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

A "lead-free" reflow oven?

There is no lead in the process. Your point?

My point is that there is no damn difference between a reflow oven for
leaded solder and a reflow oven for RoHS solder. It's advertising
absurdity.

There actually is a difference. Temperature and control. RoHS takes
more
of
both. That's why they have as many as 12 zones (as ours does, though
it's
not
the one I linked). That many zones isn't necessary for a lead solder
process.
The margin of error is almost zero with RoHS.

I think that's utter nonsense.

You're certainly welcome to believe what you want, but you can't have your
own
set of facts. Sorry.

That's why we replaced the oven. Four zones wasn't enough to do RoHS
reliably. The RoHS process really is that tricky to do right.

You should learn something about the subject before spouting such
nonsense.
Your continued defense is telling, though.

Yeah, I guess I don't know much about soldering. Only been making a
living at it for 30 years.

You've been making a living on RoHS soldering for 30 years? Somehow I doubt
that. You obviously know *nothing* about the subject.

I'll spare you the details, since you have a reputation as an arrogant,
ill-mannered know-it-all. I don't have anything to prove to you. RoHS
hasn't been around for 30 years, though, as you well know. See you on
the next thread. Out.

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:00:49 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:26:03 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:18:26 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 20:46:12 -0700, Smitty Two

wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

A "lead-free" reflow oven?

There is no lead in the process. Your point?

My point is that there is no damn difference between a reflow oven for
leaded solder and a reflow oven for RoHS solder. It's advertising
absurdity.

There actually is a difference. Temperature and control. RoHS takes
more
of
both. That's why they have as many as 12 zones (as ours does, though
it's
not
the one I linked). That many zones isn't necessary for a lead solder
process.
The margin of error is almost zero with RoHS.

I think that's utter nonsense.

You're certainly welcome to believe what you want, but you can't have your
own
set of facts. Sorry.

That's why we replaced the oven. Four zones wasn't enough to do RoHS
reliably. The RoHS process really is that tricky to do right.

You should learn something about the subject before spouting such
nonsense.
Your continued defense is telling, though.

Yeah, I guess I don't know much about soldering. Only been making a
living at it for 30 years.

You've been making a living on RoHS soldering for 30 years? Somehow I doubt
that. You obviously know *nothing* about the subject.

I'll spare you the details,

Because you haven't got any. You're simply wrong and are now in too deep to
admit it.

since you have a reputation as an arrogant,

You have a reputation of an idiot. I happen to be right.

ill-mannered know-it-all.

I happen to be right. You're completely clueless if you don't think there is
a difference between RoHS and lead processes. Ovens matter!

I don't have anything to prove to you.

You misspelled "can't".

RoHS
hasn't been around for 30 years, though, as you well know.

Then why did you indicate that you had 30 years of relevant experience?
Because you're talking through you ass. Not hard, since that's where your
head is.

See you on the next thread. Out.

Don't run away mad. Next time talk about something you have at least a
passing knowledge of.

On Jun 1, 11:00*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,





" wrote:
On Tue, 31 May 2011 21:26:03 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:18:26 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

On Mon, 30 May 2011 20:46:12 -0700, Smitty Two

wrote:

In article ,
" wrote:

A "lead-free" reflow oven?

There is no lead in the process. *Your point?

My point is that there is no damn difference between a reflow oven for
leaded solder and a reflow oven for RoHS solder. It's advertising
absurdity.

There actually is a difference. *Temperature and control. *RoHS takes
more
of
both. *That's why they have as many as 12 zones (as ours does, though
it's
not
the one I linked). *That many zones isn't necessary for a lead solder
process.
The margin of error is almost zero with RoHS.

I think that's utter nonsense.

You're certainly welcome to believe what you want, but you can't have your
own
set of facts. *Sorry. *

That's why we replaced the oven. *Four zones wasn't enough to do RoHS
reliably. *The RoHS process really is that tricky to do right. *

You should learn something about the subject before spouting such
nonsense.
Your continued defense is telling, though.

Yeah, I guess I don't know much about soldering. Only been making a
living at it for 30 years.

You've been making a living on RoHS soldering for 30 years? *Somehow I doubt
that. *You obviously know *nothing* about the subject.

I'll spare you the details, since you have a reputation as an arrogant,
ill-mannered know-it-all. I don't have anything to prove to you. RoHS
hasn't been around for 30 years, though, as you well know. See you on
the next thread. Out.

TWO TWO, BESIDES A USENET TROLL, KRW IS ALSO A DUMBASS HOMOSEXUAL DORK
NAMED KEITH.....
HE THINKS I AM ROY BECAUSE I HAVE MET HIM.....A GUY THAT DIDNT WANT TO
GO OUT WITH HIM A FEW YEARS BACK....HE LEAD ROY TO BELIEVE HE WAS A
BADDASS HACKER WITH A SUCCESFUL CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE....IT'S TIME HE
LOST HIS AT&T ACCOUNT.

PATECUM
TGITM