On 12/7/2010 7:22 AM, HeyBub wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

well republicans ran on balancing the budget, and cutting spending.

So far republicans have agreed to lower taxes for the super wealthy,
and more spending...

60 minutes had Bernacke report unemployment near 10% for next 3
years....

If tea party and republicans really cut spending much they will crash
our economy, since ggovernment is about 1/3 of our economy.

No doubt thats because manufacturing has been shrinking for a
generation

Hummm, 1/3 of the economy? The government should never be a
substantial part of the economy because there is no such thing as
government money. The government doesn't produce wealth, all it can
do is destroy it.

The government does, however, produce money, but they can't even do an
acceptable job of that.

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing recently printed $100 billion worth of
new $100 bills. A substantial portion of the one billion individual bills
are defective. The government is currently trying to automate a process to
actually discover which of the bills to not put in circulation (to check
them by hand would take decades). While these bills are quarantined, the
Bureau has fallen back on printing the usual bills.

Each of the new bills cost about twelve cents to print.

Oh well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml




I thought The Constitution says that the government is to "mint" money
not print it. :-)

TDD

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:03:36 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

On 12/6/2010 7:59 PM, wrote:
On Dec 6, 8:39 pm, wrote:
wrote:

For every FIVE on unemployment theres just ONE job.

Unemployment is necessary. Without the obama stimulus unemployment
today would be 25%

So you say. It's impossible to prove "what might have been."

You recall that, without the "stimulus," the Obama administration predicted
a peak of 8% unemployment.

well republicans ran on balancing the budget, and cutting spending.

So far republicans have agreed to lower taxes for the super wealthy,
and more spending...

60 minutes had Bernacke report unemployment near 10% for next 3
years....

If tea party and republicans really cut spending much they will crash
our economy, since ggovernment is about 1/3 of our economy.

No doubt thats because manufacturing has been shrinking for a
generation

Hummm, 1/3 of the economy? The government should never be a substantial
part of the economy because there is no such thing as government money.
The government doesn't produce wealth, all it can do is destroy it.

TDD


The same can be said of the "financial services industry" - banking,
stock-brokers, and investment counsellors

The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 12/7/2010 7:22 AM, HeyBub wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

well republicans ran on balancing the budget, and cutting spending.

So far republicans have agreed to lower taxes for the super
wealthy, and more spending...

60 minutes had Bernacke report unemployment near 10% for next 3
years....

If tea party and republicans really cut spending much they will
crash our economy, since ggovernment is about 1/3 of our economy.

No doubt thats because manufacturing has been shrinking for a
generation

Hummm, 1/3 of the economy? The government should never be a
substantial part of the economy because there is no such thing as
government money. The government doesn't produce wealth, all it can
do is destroy it.

The government does, however, produce money, but they can't even do
an acceptable job of that.

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing recently printed $100 billion
worth of new $100 bills. A substantial portion of the one billion
individual bills are defective. The government is currently trying
to automate a process to actually discover which of the bills to not
put in circulation (to check them by hand would take decades). While
these bills are quarantined, the Bureau has fallen back on printing
the usual bills. Each of the new bills cost about twelve cents to print.

Oh well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml




I thought The Constitution says that the government is to "mint" money
not print it. :-)


Well, yeah. But they make a small profit. They charge the Federal Reserve to
print the bills.

As you said, the government is supposed to MINT money. That's where the
government REALLY makes out. Every coin that is struck and put into
circulation is a net profit.

On 12/7/2010 2:54 PM, HeyBub wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 12/7/2010 7:22 AM, HeyBub wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:

well republicans ran on balancing the budget, and cutting spending.

So far republicans have agreed to lower taxes for the super
wealthy, and more spending...

60 minutes had Bernacke report unemployment near 10% for next 3
years....

If tea party and republicans really cut spending much they will
crash our economy, since ggovernment is about 1/3 of our economy.

No doubt thats because manufacturing has been shrinking for a
generation

Hummm, 1/3 of the economy? The government should never be a
substantial part of the economy because there is no such thing as
government money. The government doesn't produce wealth, all it can
do is destroy it.

The government does, however, produce money, but they can't even do
an acceptable job of that.

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing recently printed $100 billion
worth of new $100 bills. A substantial portion of the one billion
individual bills are defective. The government is currently trying
to automate a process to actually discover which of the bills to not
put in circulation (to check them by hand would take decades). While
these bills are quarantined, the Bureau has fallen back on printing
the usual bills. Each of the new bills cost about twelve cents to print.

Oh well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml




I thought The Constitution says that the government is to "mint" money
not print it. :-)


Well, yeah. But they make a small profit. They charge the Federal Reserve to
print the bills.

As you said, the government is supposed to MINT money. That's where the
government REALLY makes out. Every coin that is struck and put into
circulation is a net profit.



I think it may have worked better when the coins were actually made from
precious metals and the paper actually backed by the same.

TDD

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:00:14 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Dec 6, 9:10*pm, "
wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 05:52:16 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:





On Dec 6, 12:41 am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:32:29 -0800 (PST), Michael B
wrote:

On Dec 5, 9:23 pm, "
wrote:

But rest assured they will find a way to tax it if electric autos become a
lasting reality.

As they should. Someone has to pay for the roads. Who better than the users?

Who better to pay for the roads? I see it this way.
The municipal governments pay for maintaining
the roads, then they put another chunk of money
into trying to set up urban mass-transit. They've
got it all wrong. They are subsidizing the oil
companies by repairing the roads that are being
used by their customers. Let the oil companies pay
for the roads.

...and who pays for the oil?

And hey, the U.S. owns about 40% of GM, let GM
be turning out cablecars.

Spoken like a true socialist Obamanut.-

obama did a good thing keeping GM in america.

Nonsense. *It should have gone through bankruptcy court like any other
corporation.

in a total collapse its assets would of been bought by china, and all
parts and final assembly would of been moved to china. *all those
american jobs gone forever.

More nonsense. *Even if so, the other manufacturers would have taken up the
slack.


What other US manufacturers? Chrysler was bankrupt too.

Ford, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hundai, Kia,...

And Ford had been at bankruptcy and managed to restructure right
before our economic collapse. The ford family no longer controls the
company. they had no resoureces to buy GM..

As if that means anything.

Its sad so many are so clueless, the stimulus spending prevented a
DEPRESSION, with 25% unemployment.

You are completely clueless.

china would of bought GM and moved everything there but some parts
warehouses.....

No make that, stupid as a stump.

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:22:01 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

well republicans ran on balancing the budget, and cutting spending.

So far republicans have agreed to lower taxes for the super wealthy,
and more spending...

60 minutes had Bernacke report unemployment near 10% for next 3
years....

If tea party and republicans really cut spending much they will crash
our economy, since ggovernment is about 1/3 of our economy.

No doubt thats because manufacturing has been shrinking for a
generation

Hummm, 1/3 of the economy? The government should never be a
substantial part of the economy because there is no such thing as
government money. The government doesn't produce wealth, all it can
do is destroy it.

The government does, however, produce money, but they can't even do an
acceptable job of that.

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing recently printed $100 billion worth of
new $100 bills. A substantial portion of the one billion individual bills
are defective. The government is currently trying to automate a process to
actually discover which of the bills to not put in circulation (to check
them by hand would take decades). While these bills are quarantined, the
Bureau has fallen back on printing the usual bills.

Each of the new bills cost about twelve cents to print.

Oh well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml


Amazing. Now the Fed can't even PRINT money.

On 12/7/2010 7:02 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:22:01 -0600, wrote:

The Daring Dufas wrote:

well republicans ran on balancing the budget, and cutting spending.

So far republicans have agreed to lower taxes for the super wealthy,
and more spending...

60 minutes had Bernacke report unemployment near 10% for next 3
years....

If tea party and republicans really cut spending much they will crash
our economy, since ggovernment is about 1/3 of our economy.

No doubt thats because manufacturing has been shrinking for a
generation

Hummm, 1/3 of the economy? The government should never be a
substantial part of the economy because there is no such thing as
government money. The government doesn't produce wealth, all it can
do is destroy it.

The government does, however, produce money, but they can't even do an
acceptable job of that.

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing recently printed $100 billion worth of
new $100 bills. A substantial portion of the one billion individual bills
are defective. The government is currently trying to automate a process to
actually discover which of the bills to not put in circulation (to check
them by hand would take decades). While these bills are quarantined, the
Bureau has fallen back on printing the usual bills.

Each of the new bills cost about twelve cents to print.

Oh well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml


Amazing. Now the Fed can't even PRINT money.

If someone at the mint was smart, they would sell the screwed up bills
as collectors items. :-)

TDD

On Dec 7, 8:00*pm, "
wrote:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:00:14 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:





On Dec 6, 9:10 pm, "
wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 05:52:16 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Dec 6, 12:41 am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:32:29 -0800 (PST), Michael B
wrote:

On Dec 5, 9:23 pm, "
wrote:

But rest assured they will find a way to tax it if electric autos become a
lasting reality.

As they should. Someone has to pay for the roads. Who better than the users?

Who better to pay for the roads? I see it this way.
The municipal governments pay for maintaining
the roads, then they put another chunk of money
into trying to set up urban mass-transit. They've
got it all wrong. They are subsidizing the oil
companies by repairing the roads that are being
used by their customers. Let the oil companies pay
for the roads.

...and who pays for the oil?

And hey, the U.S. owns about 40% of GM, let GM
be turning out cablecars.

Spoken like a true socialist Obamanut.-

obama did a good thing keeping GM in america.

Nonsense. It should have gone through bankruptcy court like any other
corporation.

in a total collapse its assets would of been bought by china, and all
parts and final assembly would of been moved to china. all those
american jobs gone forever.

More nonsense. Even if so, the other manufacturers would have taken up the
slack.

What other US manufacturers? Chrysler was bankrupt too.

Ford, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hundai, Kia,...

And Ford had been at bankruptcy and managed to restructure right
before our economic collapse. The ford family no longer controls the
company. they had no resoureces to buy GM..

As if that means anything.

Its sad so many are so clueless, the stimulus spending prevented a
DEPRESSION, with 25% unemployment.

You are completely clueless.

china would of bought GM and moved everything there but some parts
warehouses.....

No make that, stupid as a stump.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

its people like you who will send the US down the toilet. you havent a
clue, if theres no manufacturing here, and we send all our wealth
overseas to countries who hate us for meddling in their business over
oil, wikileaks makes it appear its our countries standard operating
procedure

our country is well along to self destructuring.

want something special from congress? just buy enough votes

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 19:57:27 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Dec 7, 8:00*pm, "
wrote:
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:00:14 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:





On Dec 6, 9:10 pm, "
wrote:
On Mon, 6 Dec 2010 05:52:16 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Dec 6, 12:41 am, "
wrote:
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:32:29 -0800 (PST), Michael B
wrote:

On Dec 5, 9:23 pm, "
wrote:

But rest assured they will find a way to tax it if electric autos become a
lasting reality.

As they should. Someone has to pay for the roads. Who better than the users?

Who better to pay for the roads? I see it this way.
The municipal governments pay for maintaining
the roads, then they put another chunk of money
into trying to set up urban mass-transit. They've
got it all wrong. They are subsidizing the oil
companies by repairing the roads that are being
used by their customers. Let the oil companies pay
for the roads.

...and who pays for the oil?

And hey, the U.S. owns about 40% of GM, let GM
be turning out cablecars.

Spoken like a true socialist Obamanut.-

obama did a good thing keeping GM in america.

Nonsense. It should have gone through bankruptcy court like any other
corporation.

in a total collapse its assets would of been bought by china, and all
parts and final assembly would of been moved to china. all those
american jobs gone forever.

More nonsense. Even if so, the other manufacturers would have taken up the
slack.

What other US manufacturers? Chrysler was bankrupt too.

Ford, Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hundai, Kia,...

And Ford had been at bankruptcy and managed to restructure right
before our economic collapse. The ford family no longer controls the
company. they had no resoureces to buy GM..

As if that means anything.

Its sad so many are so clueless, the stimulus spending prevented a
DEPRESSION, with 25% unemployment.

You are completely clueless.

china would of bought GM and moved everything there but some parts
warehouses.....

No make that, stupid as a stump.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

its people like you who will send the US down the toilet.

Wrong again, idiot. It's people like you and your hero Obummer.

you havent a
clue, if theres no manufacturing here,

Clueless.

and we send all our wealth
overseas to countries who hate us for meddling in their business over
oil, wikileaks makes it appear its our countries standard operating
procedure

You really are clueless.

our country is well along to self destructuring.

Yes, and your kind is putting it right in the toilet.

want something special from congress? just buy enough votes

You're a product of public education, right?

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:52:46 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:58:15 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

Amazing. Now the Fed can't even PRINT money.

If someone at the mint was smart, they would sell the screwed up bills
as collectors items. :-)

It would work if they didn't sell many of them.

Someone probably has. ;-)

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:16:30 -0600, "
wrote:


Clueless.

You really are clueless.

And krw has a GREAT vocabulary.

Clueless

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:17:05 -0600, "
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:52:46 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:58:15 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

Amazing. Now the Fed can't even PRINT money.

If someone at the mint was smart, they would sell the screwed up bills
as collectors items. :-)

It would work if they didn't sell many of them.

Someone probably has. ;-)
With the cost to sort them ballanced against the 12 cents to print
them, they should just grind up the whole works and start over.

Worst part is, they cannot EVER print the same bills again, because if
any have leaked out to the "market" there could be unauthorized
currency in circulation.

Means they have to redesign and cut ne plates before more can be
printed.

On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:00:04 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:17:05 -0600, "
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:52:46 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:58:15 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

Amazing. Now the Fed can't even PRINT money.

If someone at the mint was smart, they would sell the screwed up bills
as collectors items. :-)

It would work if they didn't sell many of them.

Someone probably has. ;-)
With the cost to sort them ballanced against the 12 cents to print
them, they should just grind up the whole works and start over.

That's $120M down the tubes. It's worth a year of an engineer's time to try
to figure out a way to salvage them.

Worst part is, they cannot EVER print the same bills again, because if
any have leaked out to the "market" there could be unauthorized
currency in circulation.

Huh? If they get this Fubar fixed they can (and will) print all day and
night.

Means they have to redesign and cut ne plates before more can be
printed.

On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:33:02 -0600, "
wrote:

On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:00:04 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:17:05 -0600, "
wrote:

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:52:46 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:58:15 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

Amazing. Now the Fed can't even PRINT money.

If someone at the mint was smart, they would sell the screwed up bills
as collectors items. :-)

It would work if they didn't sell many of them.

Someone probably has. ;-)
With the cost to sort them ballanced against the 12 cents to print
them, they should just grind up the whole works and start over.

That's $120M down the tubes. It's worth a year of an engineer's time to try
to figure out a way to salvage them.

Worst part is, they cannot EVER print the same bills again, because if
any have leaked out to the "market" there could be unauthorized
currency in circulation.

Huh? If they get this Fubar fixed they can (and will) print all day and
night.

Means they have to redesign and cut ne plates before more can be
printed.
I meant if they shred the bills. - (or if they loose track of ANY of
this first batch)

On 12/7/2010 8:00 PM, zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
" wrote:

And Ford had been at bankruptcy and managed to restructure right
before our economic collapse. The ford family no longer controls the
company. they had no resoureces to buy GM..

As if that means anything.

It means Hallerb is stupid as a stump.

Ford certainly does control Ford and is exactly why they did NOT go into
bankruptcy and restructure.

No make that, stupid as a stump.

See, told you he was.

--
Jack
You Can't Fix Stupid, but You Can Vote it Out!
http://jbstein.com

On Dec 20, 8:56*am, Jack Stein wrote:
On 12/7/2010 8:00 PM, wrote:

" wrote:
And Ford had been at bankruptcy and managed to restructure right
before our economic collapse. The ford family no longer controls the
company. they had no resoureces to buy GM..

As if that means anything.

It means Hallerb is stupid as a stump.

Ford certainly does control Ford and is exactly why they did NOT go into
bankruptcy and restructure.

No make that, stupid as a stump.

See, told you he was.

--
Jack
You Can't Fix Stupid, but You Can Vote it Out!http://jbstein.com

go google it ford motors was at or near bankruptcy right before our
economy collapsed, they just got financing and had to turn over
control, and bam we were in the biggest economic collapse since the
great depession......

oh well if you watched 0 minutes you would realize were about to
double dip, because state and local governments nationwide are going
bankrupt

On Dec 20, 7:47*pm, " wrote:
On Dec 20, 8:56*am, Jack Stein wrote:





On 12/7/2010 8:00 PM, wrote:

" wrote:
And Ford had been at bankruptcy and managed to restructure right
before our economic collapse. The ford family no longer controls the
company. they had no resoureces to buy GM..

As if that means anything.

It means Hallerb is stupid as a stump.

Ford certainly does control Ford and is exactly why they did NOT go into
bankruptcy and restructure.

No make that, stupid as a stump.

See, told you he was.

--
Jack
You Can't Fix Stupid, but You Can Vote it Out!http://jbstein.com

go google it ford motors was at or near bankruptcy right before our
economy collapsed, they just got financing and had to turn over
control, and bam we were in the biggest economic collapse since the
great depession......

oh well if you watched 60 minutes you would realize were about to
double dip, because state and local governments nationwide are going
bankrupt- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

that be 60 minutes