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Kerosene -- is there a "stabil" for kerosene?
For emergencies only, I have a still-in-original-box kerosene
heater. Emergenceis, lets say, occur only every 5 years. Or 10. So, you want to store a bunch of kerosene for that eventual emergency. But doesn't kerosene "go bad" after a while? What can you do so as to keep the kerosene "good" for a LONG time? ---- Also, what do YOU do for keeping around the ability to heat an area if and when the power goes out for eg a week or so? Thanks! David |
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On 11/23/2010 4:13 PM, David Combs wrote:
For emergencies only, I have a still-in-original-box kerosene heater. Emergenceis, lets say, occur only every 5 years. Or 10. So, you want to store a bunch of kerosene for that eventual emergency. But doesn't kerosene "go bad" after a while? What can you do so as to keep the kerosene "good" for a LONG time? ---- Also, what do YOU do for keeping around the ability to heat an area if and when the power goes out for eg a week or so? Thanks! David I've never had to store kerosene for a long period so I Goggled it. http://www.harvestoutfitters.com/products/list/3 TDD |
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On Nov 23, 4:13*pm, (David Combs) wrote:
For emergencies only, I have a still-in-original-box kerosene heater. Emergenceis, lets say, occur only every 5 years. *Or 10. So, you want to store a bunch of kerosene for that eventual emergency. *But doesn't kerosene "go bad" after a while? What can you do so as to keep the kerosene "good" for a LONG time? ---- Also, what do YOU do for keeping around the ability to heat an area if and when the power goes out for eg a week or so? Thanks! David You a prepper? |
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In article , Stormin Mormon wrote:
Not sure about the OP, but I know I am. As to the OP question. Sealed cans help a lot, keep moisture and air out. I remember something about stabil for kerosene. Is the kerosene being used in a lamp or a heater, as opposed to something else? In both cases, the amount of water that can dissolve in kerosene from exposure to even humid air should not be a problem for the combustion process or in delivery of kerosene from the tank to the burner. Now, if you want a long term storage heat source, propane is your answer. Unless it leaks out, it never goes bad, ever. 16 ouncer will heat a room for about 7 hours, with an infared heater. Larger tank, the "20 pounder" gas grill tank goes about 20 hours on a single burner infared heater. The hissing noise of the burner gets irritating after a while. Is your burner the same for the "20 pounder" and the "16 ouncer"? If so, then the 20 pounder should run 20 times as long as the 1 pounder, good for somewhere around 140 hours if the 1 pounder is good for about 7 hours. -- - Don Klipstein ) |
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On Nov 23, 4:13*pm, (David Combs) wrote:
For emergencies only, I have a still-in-original-box kerosene heater. Also, what do YOU do for keeping around the ability to heat an area if and when the power goes out for eg a week or so? Thanks! David If the power is that unreliable, I'd be making plans to move or switch electric providers. Have a great day, Andy http://intouch.org/magazine/daily-devotional http://www.happynews.com |
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From my own experience with storing cans of kerosene long-term in my
garage, you can keep them around for at least 10-20 years and it will still be good-as long as it's in a dry environment and in an air-tight container. It's likely that it can stay useable for 100+ years. Over the years, the color sometimes turn from clear to a bit yellow tinted, but I've never noticed any problems with the burning performance or putting out any off odors. Also, my only experience applies for K-1 kerosene. I don't know how well the lower grade kerosene stuff (i.e. red dye) holds up. Angello For emergencies only, I have a still-in-original-box kerosene heater. Emergenceis, lets say, occur only every 5 years. Or 10. So, you want to store a bunch of kerosene for that eventual emergency. But doesn't kerosene "go bad" after a while? What can you do so as to keep the kerosene "good" for a LONG time? ---- Also, what do YOU do for keeping around the ability to heat an area if and when the power goes out for eg a week or so? Thanks! David |
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"Andy" wrote Also, what do YOU do for keeping around the ability to heat an area if and when the power goes out for eg a week or so? Thanks! David If the power is that unreliable, I'd be making plans to move or switch electric providers. Have a great day, Andy Just how do you change electric providers? |
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David Combs wrote:
For emergencies only, I have a still-in-original-box kerosene heater. Emergenceis, lets say, occur only every 5 years. Or 10. So, you want to store a bunch of kerosene for that eventual emergency. But doesn't kerosene "go bad" after a while? What can you do so as to keep the kerosene "good" for a LONG time? ---- Also, what do YOU do for keeping around the ability to heat an area if and when the power goes out for eg a week or so? Thanks! David It keeps a long time. I have stored it over 2 years. My fuel oil in my tank is 3 years old and still works good; don't use much. Burn wood. -- LSMFT Simple job, assist the assistant of the physicist. |
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On 11/23/2010 9:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Andy" wrote Also, what do YOU do for keeping around the ability to heat an area if and when the power goes out for eg a week or so? Thanks! David If the power is that unreliable, I'd be making plans to move or switch electric providers. Have a great day, Andy Just how do you change electric providers? Solar power, electricity from God, geothermal, electricity from The Devil. Perhaps use both with a Yin-Yang distributor to keep good and evil in balance. Get it installed by that little Mexican electrician, Jesus and you're good to go. 8-) TDD |
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David Combs wrote: For emergencies only, I have a still-in-original-box kerosene heater. Emergenceis, lets say, occur only every 5 years. Or 10. So, you want to store a bunch of kerosene for that eventual emergency. But doesn't kerosene "go bad" after a while? What can you do so as to keep the kerosene "good" for a LONG time? ---- Also, what do YOU do for keeping around the ability to heat an area if and when the power goes out for eg a week or so? Thanks! David I believe K-1 kerosene stores better without treatment than #2 diesel, and #2 diesel does pretty well by itself. Keeping it sealed and water free is the main way to ensure long storage life. A biocide is helpful if there may be some moisture in the fuel that could promote algae/bacteria growth. Power Service Bio Kleen (not to be confused with their Diesel Kleen) is a strong biocide that can give you that extra protection. The cetane boost and anti-gel additives that are available aren't relevant to kerosene or to basic heaters. |
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On Nov 23, 7:46*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: Not sure about the OP, but I know I am. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org . "Country" wrote in message ... You a prepper? Don't you have trust in the Lord? (I do...I let Him decide whether I should freeze to death) |
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Kerosene -- and now, portable propane talk
The 16 ouncer burner is 3,500 bTU per hour, the 20 pounder burner has
a couple settings. 8,000 or 14,000, can't remember off hand. Adaptors and tubes are sold, to run the smaller burners off gas grill tanks. So if the smaller burner is enough to heat the area, the larger tank would be far more cost effective. It's about a dollar a pound for gas grill tanks, they actually fill more like 16 pounds per tank. The 16 ouncers are $2.50 or so at Walmart. As high as 3.49 in other stores. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Don Klipstein" wrote in message ... Now, if you want a long term storage heat source, propane is your answer. Unless it leaks out, it never goes bad, ever. 16 ouncer will heat a room for about 7 hours, with an infared heater. Larger tank, the "20 pounder" gas grill tank goes about 20 hours on a single burner infared heater. The hissing noise of the burner gets irritating after a while. Is your burner the same for the "20 pounder" and the "16 ouncer"? If so, then the 20 pounder should run 20 times as long as the 1 pounder, good for somewhere around 140 hours if the 1 pounder is good for about 7 hours. -- - Don Klipstein ) |
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On Nov 24, 8:40*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: The 16 ouncer burner is 3,500 bTU per hour, the 20 pounder burner has a couple settings. 8,000 or 14,000, can't remember off hand. *Adaptors and tubes are sold, to run the smaller burners off gas grill tanks. So if the smaller burner is enough to heat the area, the larger tank would be far more cost effective. It's about a dollar a pound for gas grill tanks, they actually fill more like 16 pounds per tank. The 16 ouncers are $2.50 or so at Walmart. As high as 3.49 in other stores. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org . I've been getting some supplies set in for a while now. Going kind of slow at it tho. I would like to learn more about setting up an emergency heat source using propane. What models or types/styles of heaters to get and how to use them safely inside the house. I assume there needs to be some ventilation. I have a camp stove but I wonder if a propane setup of some sort for cooking if the power goes out would be a good idea. I have a generator that I could use for short term but gasoline is less dependable for long term power outages. -C- |
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On Nov 23, 8:40*pm, Andy wrote:
On Nov 23, 4:13*pm, (David Combs) wrote: For emergencies only, I have a still-in-original-box kerosene heater. Also, what do YOU do for keeping around the ability to heat an area if and when the power goes out for eg a week or so? Thanks! David If the power is that unreliable, I'd be making plans to move or switch electric providers. Have a great day, * * * * * * * * * * * * * Andy http://intouch.org/magazine/daily-de....happynews.com Severe fuel shortages are coming. At least that's what military higher- ups are saying. Where are any of the electric providers going to get fuel to produce electricity then? Where are you going to get food when the trucks stop running and the grocery shelves are empty? -C- |
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On Nov 24, 10:14*am, Country wrote:
Severe fuel shortages are coming. At least that's what military higher- ups are saying. Where are any of the electric providers going to get fuel to produce electricity then? Where are you going to get food when the trucks stop running and the grocery shelves are empty? Can you cite your sources on this? Keep in mind they don't call "military intelligence" an oxymoron for nothing. |
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On Nov 23, 9:40*pm, Andy wrote:
If the power is that unreliable, I'd be making plans to move or switch electric providers. One power outage every 5-10 years is "unreliable?" Jeez, I better start packing because my power goes out on average 1 time per year. Where do you live Andy? I'd like to move in next door and share in that reliable power that never goes out even once in a decade. |
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On Nov 24, 10:24*am, wrote:
On Nov 24, 10:14*am, Country wrote: Severe fuel shortages are coming. At least that's what military higher- ups are saying. Where are any of the electric providers going to get fuel to produce electricity then? Where are you going to get food when the trucks stop running and the grocery shelves are empty? Can you cite your sources on this? Keep in mind they don't call "military intelligence" an oxymoron for nothing. I almost jumped on that because I remember seeing reports several times over the last few years from the military brass warning about severe oil shortages. But why would I bother if you think Military Intelligence is an oxymoron. That means you are already prepared not to believe it. Just take a look around. Read the news. Things in the US ain't as stable as they used to be. I hope nothing serious ever happens but if it does I don't want to be sitting around like those people in New Orleans during Katrina waiting for the government to save me. -C- |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
[snip] It's about a dollar a pound for gas grill tanks, they actually fill more like 16 pounds per tank. The 16 ouncers are $2.50 or so at Walmart. As high as 3.49 in other stores. The 20-lb propane tanks I have are marked (on the tank, not a label) "16.6lb". One came filled with 15lb, the other says 17lb (I think it's either 16.6 or 17). -- 31 days until The winter celebration (Saturday December 25, 2010 12:00:00 AM). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us "If there's room for doubt -- doubt!" |
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Tony Miklos wrote:
[snip] Before I left PA, we could pick and choose our electricity providers, just like picking our phone company. Problem is it's still the same wires coming to your house. There might be no difference except in the billing. BTW, I live in one of the few parts of Texas that doesn't allow choosing electric "suppliers". We also have relatively low rates. Ti's about 10 cents per KWH. -- 31 days until The winter celebration (Saturday December 25, 2010 12:00:00 AM). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us "If there's room for doubt -- doubt!" |
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Bob Villa wrote:
Don't you have trust in the Lord? (I do...I let Him decide whether I should freeze to death) Insha'Allah. |
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Country wrote:
If the power is that unreliable, I'd be making plans to move or switch electric providers. Have a great day, Andy http://intouch.org/magazine/daily-de....happynews.com Severe fuel shortages are coming. At least that's what military higher- ups are saying. Where are any of the electric providers going to get fuel to produce electricity then? Where are you going to get food when the trucks stop running and the grocery shelves are empty? Electricity generation fuel is a lock. Half of all electricity is generated by coal, none of which is imported and of which we have a 200-year supply on hand. The rest of our electricity is generated by hydroelectric, nuclear, and (mostly) natural gas. We do import a bunch of NG, but we don't need to. We've got oodles of the stuff readily available. |
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In article ,
Country wrote: ...snipped... Severe fuel shortages are coming. At least that's what military higher- ups are saying. ...snipped... Are these the same military higher-ups who said we would find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? -- There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers. Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
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On 11/24/2010 3:42 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
Tony Miklos wrote: [snip] Before I left PA, we could pick and choose our electricity providers, just like picking our phone company. Problem is it's still the same wires coming to your house. There might be no difference except in the billing. Exactly my point. BTW, I live in one of the few parts of Texas that doesn't allow choosing electric "suppliers". We also have relatively low rates. Ti's about 10 cents per KWH. In PA with the old "PP&L" (Pennsylvania Power and Light) we had cheap rates, then when the government changed the rules to break up the monopolies it kept going up and up. Here in east TN it's about 11 cents/KWH. I can choose to pay more and 'sponsor' some windmills but I haven't done that yet. |
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On Nov 24, 3:39*pm, (Larry W) wrote:
In article ,Country wrote: ...snipped... Severe fuel shortages are coming. At least that's what military higher- ups are saying. ...snipped... Are these the same military higher-ups who said we would find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? -- * *There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers. * * *Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org Wasn't that the CIA? |
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In article ,
Country wrote: On Nov 24, 3:39*pm, (Larry W) wrote: In article ,Country wrote: ...snipped... Severe fuel shortages are coming. At least that's what military higher- ups are saying. ...snipped... Are these the same military higher-ups who said we would find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? -- * *There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers. * * *Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org Wasn't that the CIA? Well, I was thinking about Colin Powell doing his dog and pony show on TV when I wrote that, but you have a point, he was out of the military at that time and was Secretary of State. At any rate, I suppose he, the military, and the CIA were just reporting what they were told to. -- The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. (Winston Churchill) Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
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Thanks for the field report. I, also, have heard of tanks being
underfilled at the Blue Rhino exchange. I think it's absurd that a 20 pound tank should be designed to take 16 pounds. Should be called a 16 pounder, instead. I'd be upset if I went to the grocery. Bought a pound of meat, and came home with 13 ounces. Because they didn't want to overfill the styrofoam tray. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Mark Lloyd" wrote in message ... Stormin Mormon wrote: [snip] It's about a dollar a pound for gas grill tanks, they actually fill more like 16 pounds per tank. The 16 ouncers are $2.50 or so at Walmart. As high as 3.49 in other stores. The 20-lb propane tanks I have are marked (on the tank, not a label) "16.6lb". One came filled with 15lb, the other says 17lb (I think it's either 16.6 or 17). -- 31 days until The winter celebration (Saturday December 25, 2010 12:00:00 AM). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us "If there's room for doubt -- doubt!" |
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Let those 72 virgins keep you warm?
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "HeyBub" wrote in message m... Bob Villa wrote: Don't you have trust in the Lord? (I do...I let Him decide whether I should freeze to death) Insha'Allah. |
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In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote: Electricity generation fuel is a lock. Half of all electricity is generated by coal, none of which is imported and of which we have a 200-year supply on hand. The rest of our electricity is generated by hydroelectric, nuclear, and (mostly) natural gas. We do import a bunch of NG, but we don't need to. We've got oodles of the stuff readily available. You just keep telling yourself there's nothing to worry about, and then watch the terrorists break into the coal mines and put anthrax in there. Poof. Poison electricity, all over the grid. |
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"Stormin Mormon" wrote: I'd be upset if I went to the grocery. Bought a pound of meat, and came home with 13 ounces. Because they didn't want to overfill the styrofoam tray. I guess you're gonna be really upset when you croak, and you find out jesus isn't real. |
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 21:02:36 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote: In article , "Stormin Mormon" wrote: I'd be upset if I went to the grocery. Bought a pound of meat, and came home with 13 ounces. Because they didn't want to overfill the styrofoam tray. I guess you're gonna be really upset when you croak, and you find out jesus isn't real. One of you will be, anyhow. |
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Larry W wrote:
In article , Country wrote: On Nov 24, 3:39 pm, (Larry W) wrote: In article ,Country wrote: ...snipped... Severe fuel shortages are coming. At least that's what military higher- ups are saying. ...snipped... Are these the same military higher-ups who said we would find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? -- There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers. Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org Wasn't that the CIA? Well, I was thinking about Colin Powell doing his dog and pony show on TV when I wrote that, but you have a point, he was out of the military at that time and was Secretary of State. George Tenet, head of the CIA, assured Colin Powell of the accuracy of all the "facts". Then the "facts" one-by-one turned into non-facts. But George Tenet got the "Medal of Freedom" from Bush 2. (So did "you're doing a heck of a job, Brownie".) -- bud-- |
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bud-- wrote: George Tenet, head of the CIA, assured Colin Powell of the accuracy of all the "facts". Then the "facts" one-by-one turned into non-facts. But George Tenet got the "Medal of Freedom" from Bush 2. (So did "you're doing a heck of a job, Brownie".) Mr. Tenant was a holdover from the Clinton Administration. Since his tenure there was distinguished by getting the intelligence that resulted in us bombing a Sudanese Aspirin Factory and the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, I have no idea why he was still around for the Bush administration to keep him on. -- "Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on." ---PJ O'Rourke |
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Drew attention away from Loral, missile secrets, and other treason,
high crimes and misdemeanors? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Kurt Ullman" wrote in message news George Tenet, head of the CIA, assured Colin Powell of the accuracy of all the "facts". Then the "facts" one-by-one turned into non-facts. But George Tenet got the "Medal of Freedom" from Bush 2. (So did "you're doing a heck of a job, Brownie".) Mr. Tenant was a holdover from the Clinton Administration. Since his tenure there was distinguished by getting the intelligence that resulted in us bombing a Sudanese Aspirin Factory and the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, I have no idea why he was still around for the Bush administration to keep him on. -- "Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on." ---PJ O'Rourke |
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On 11/25/2010 4:10 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In T, wrote: George Tenet, head of the CIA, assured Colin Powell of the accuracy of all the "facts". Then the "facts" one-by-one turned into non-facts. But George Tenet got the "Medal of Freedom" from Bush 2. (So did "you're doing a heck of a job, Brownie".) Mr. Tenant was a holdover from the Clinton Administration. Since his tenure there was distinguished by getting the intelligence that resulted in us bombing a Sudanese Aspirin Factory and the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade, I have no idea why he was still around for the Bush administration to keep him on. Perhaps he had some dirt he threatened to spill and GW was too moral to have him killed. Funny thing, when GW assumed command, the death rate of political figures dropped. :-) TDD |
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Smitty Two wrote:
In article , "HeyBub" wrote: Electricity generation fuel is a lock. Half of all electricity is generated by coal, none of which is imported and of which we have a 200-year supply on hand. The rest of our electricity is generated by hydroelectric, nuclear, and (mostly) natural gas. We do import a bunch of NG, but we don't need to. We've got oodles of the stuff readily available. You just keep telling yourself there's nothing to worry about, and then watch the terrorists break into the coal mines and put anthrax in there. Poof. Poison electricity, all over the grid. I didn't say there wasn't anything to worry about. I said we didn't import irreplaceable fuel for electricity generation! The vast majority of imported oil is used for transportation. We COULD replace oil from problematic states with domestic oil were it not for environmentalist's concerns. You can't put anthrax in (most) coal mines with any success. Most coal is mined in open pit mines. |
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Thanks to all for the experiences and answers.
Looks like stability is no problem, as long as it's kept tightly seled-up. David Thanks again! |
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