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On Nov 18, 9:41*am, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:33:43 -0800 (PST), Ron wrote: For our friend considering a 32" TV, I'd say the difference beween 720P and either 1080i or p isn't going to be noticeable on that size display. Or on any TV up to 50" depending on how far away you are sitting from the TV. Many people can't readily tell the difference between a page of text printed at 600 dpi from one printed at 1200 dpi. Other people see a big difference. Claiming that there is no difference between 720p and 1080p because YOU, or even thousands of people, can't tell the difference, is just foolish talk. Maybe you just can't see as well as other people, or maybe you just aren't as critical a viewer. Excuse me, but I thought the OP came here precisely for the reason of asking what other people thought and what their experiences had been. As for being a critical viewer, if you do a bit of googling you will find plenty of actual side by side comparison testing done by credible authorities in the AV world that will agree with what I and Ron and many others have said. Particularly since the OP is talking about a 32" TV, not a 50" one. A small diffence may be all that matters to people who want that small difference, because they appreciate the slight extra measure of quality. Then I guess the OP should set up a blind testing lab, because that's the only way he's going to be able to see if he can actually tell the difference. Somehow I don't think he's gonna do that, nor does he appear to be an AV enthusiast concerned about a small potential difference. |
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Bill Gill wrote: Well, as said, at the store compare the TVs before you buy. I'm just reporting what people have said after careful testing. Bill Testing done at 10-12', not exactly the distance from which most computer monitors are viewed, and certainly not all TVs. I thought my Sony Wega widescreen had a pretty sharp image until I started watching football with it pulled up to 6' from the sofa. You could say most women look about the same from 3 blocks away, too, but that doesn't make them the same. |
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On Nov 18, 12:34*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , wrote: On Nov 18, 9:41*am, wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:33:43 -0800 (PST), Ron wrote: For our friend considering a 32" TV, I'd say the difference beween 720P and either 1080i or p isn't going to be noticeable on that size display. Or on any TV up to 50" depending on how far away you are sitting from the TV. Many people can't readily tell the difference between a page of text printed at 600 dpi from one printed at 1200 dpi. Other people see a big difference. Claiming that there is no difference between 720p and 1080p because YOU, or even thousands of people, can't tell the difference, is just foolish talk. Maybe you just can't see as well as other people, or maybe you just aren't as critical a viewer. Excuse me, but I thought the OP came here precisely for the reason of asking what other people thought and what their experiences had been. * As for being a critical viewer, if you do a bit of googling you will find plenty of actual side by side comparison testing done by credible authorities in the AV world that will agree with what I and Ron and many others have said. *Particularly since the OP is talking about a 32" TV, not a 50" one. A small diffence may be all that matters to people who want that small difference, because they appreciate the slight extra measure of quality. Then I guess the OP should set up a blind testing lab, because that's the only way he's going to be able to see if he can actually tell the difference. *Somehow I don't think he's gonna do that, nor does he appear to be an AV enthusiast concerned about a small potential difference. I'd venture that most people who own 720 can't tell the difference, and most people who own 1080 can. The only debate left is whether the distinction (or lack thereof) became apparent before or after the purchase. Ain't that the way humans work? And I suppose you can hear an audible difference between coat hangers and Monster Cable, right? |
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, Ron wrote: And I suppose you can hear an audible difference between coat hangers and Monster Cable, right? Nope. Monster Cable is snake oil. Picture resolution is, uh, about as plain as science and math gets. I was just pointing out the obvious: humans disregard science and math in favor of emotion and snake oil. No reasonable human being can possibly claim that 720 lines of resolution are in any way equal to 1080 lines of resolution. It is so utterly nonsensical that the fact that it's being debated is a tragic indictment of human intelligence. |
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On Nov 18, 12:42*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:20:44 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Nov 18, 9:41 am, wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:33:43 -0800 (PST), Ron wrote: For our friend considering a 32" TV, I'd say the difference beween 720P and either 1080i or p isn't going to be noticeable on that size display. Or on any TV up to 50" depending on how far away you are sitting from the TV. Many people can't readily tell the difference between a page of text printed at 600 dpi from one printed at 1200 dpi. Other people see a big difference. Claiming that there is no difference between 720p and 1080p because YOU, or even thousands of people, can't tell the difference, is just foolish talk. Maybe you just can't see as well as other people, or maybe you just aren't as critical a viewer. Excuse me, but I thought the OP came here precisely for the reason of asking what other people thought and what their experiences had been. * As for being a critical viewer, if you do a bit of googling you will find plenty of actual side by side comparison testing done by credible authorities in the AV world that will agree with what I and Ron and many others have said. *Particularly since the OP is talking about a 32" TV, not a 50" one. Opinions are not facts. That needed to be pointed out. There is a factual and scientifically supportable difference between 720p and 1080p. The fact that you either can't tell the difference, or don't think it is important, are subjective opinions, not objective facts. OK, post this scientific evidence that says that the human eye can distinguish the difference on the same brand of TV with the only difference being that one is a 720 and the other is a 1080. Using the same source, and from a distance of 10-12 ft on a 50" or smaller screen. |
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On Nov 18, 12:54*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , *Ron wrote: And I suppose you can hear an audible difference between coat hangers and Monster Cable, right? Nope. Monster Cable is snake oil. Picture resolution is, uh, about as plain as science and math gets. I was just pointing out the obvious: humans disregard science and math in favor of emotion and snake oil. No reasonable human being can possibly claim that 720 lines of resolution are in any way equal to 1080 lines of resolution. It is so utterly nonsensical that the fact that it's being debated is a tragic indictment of human intelligence. Again, it depends on the viewing distance!!!!!! What is so hard to understand about that????? |
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, Ron wrote: On Nov 18, 12:54*pm, Smitty Two wrote: In article , *Ron wrote: And I suppose you can hear an audible difference between coat hangers and Monster Cable, right? Nope. Monster Cable is snake oil. Picture resolution is, uh, about as plain as science and math gets. I was just pointing out the obvious: humans disregard science and math in favor of emotion and snake oil. No reasonable human being can possibly claim that 720 lines of resolution are in any way equal to 1080 lines of resolution. It is so utterly nonsensical that the fact that it's being debated is a tragic indictment of human intelligence. Again, it depends on the viewing distance!!!!!! What is so hard to understand about that????? Of course it depends on the viewing distance. Why not go back to your old 27" RCA console from 1962, and just look at it from down the block? Everything depends on the viewing distance: paint quality on your wall or car, cleanliness of the frying pan, curd size of the cottage cheese in Aunt Mabel's panties. Saying the pictures look the same as long as you're far enough away to not be able to notice a difference hardly qualifies as a legitimate argument. What is so hard to understand about that????? |
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On Nov 18, 1:11*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , *Ron wrote: On Nov 18, 12:54 pm, Smitty Two wrote: In article , Ron wrote: And I suppose you can hear an audible difference between coat hangers and Monster Cable, right? Nope. Monster Cable is snake oil. Picture resolution is, uh, about as plain as science and math gets. I was just pointing out the obvious: humans disregard science and math in favor of emotion and snake oil. No reasonable human being can possibly claim that 720 lines of resolution are in any way equal to 1080 lines of resolution. It is so utterly nonsensical that the fact that it's being debated is a tragic indictment of human intelligence. Again, it depends on the viewing distance!!!!!! What is so hard to understand about that????? Of course it depends on the viewing distance. Why not go back to your old 27" RCA console from 1962, and just look at it from down the block? Everything depends on the viewing distance: paint quality on your wall or car, cleanliness of the frying pan, curd size of the cottage cheese in Aunt Mabel's panties. Saying the pictures look the same as long as you're far enough away to not be able to notice a difference hardly qualifies as a legitimate argument. What is so hard to understand about that????? I give up. It's your money. |
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On 11/18/2010 11:51 AM, Judi Haffner wrote:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 09:42:12 -0800, Smitty Two wrote: In , (Judi Haffner) wrote: When someone posts through Homeowners Hub, they aren't making a sales pitch. Like hell they're not. Every post from there is *nothing but* a sales pitch, whether the poster knows it or not. Not even slightly true. Mormons top post because they are morally and spiritually superior to you. All christians believe themselves so, as do members of every other religion. Mormons are no more idiotic than the rest of the lot. http://www.venganza.org/ Judi, are you a Pastafarian too? You know we're not to reveal ourselves out of fear of being sauced and consumed. 8-) TDD |
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, Ron wrote: I give up. It's your money. It ain't my money. My TV is a 10 yr. old CRT that I swiped from my aunt's house when she croaked. |
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On Nov 18, 12:27*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , *Ron wrote: I give up. It's your money. It ain't my money. My TV is a 10 yr. old CRT that I swiped from my aunt's house when she croaked. Check your tv manual, I have 2, 8 yr old tvs, one takes 720p and the other 1080i, but neither have an hd tuner. |
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On Nov 18, 11:42*am, Ron wrote:
On Nov 18, 11:04*am, jamesgangnc wrote: On Nov 18, 10:23*am, Ron wrote: On Nov 18, 10:09*am, jamesgangnc wrote: On Nov 18, 9:55*am, Ron wrote: On Nov 18, 9:41*am, wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:33:43 -0800 (PST), Ron wrote: For our friend considering a 32" TV, I'd say the difference beween 720P and either 1080i or p isn't going to be noticeable on that size display. Or on any TV up to 50" depending on how far away you are sitting from the TV. Many people can't readily tell the difference between a page of text printed at 600 dpi from one printed at 1200 dpi. Other people see a big difference. Claiming that there is no difference between 720p and 1080p because YOU, or even thousands of people, can't tell the difference, is just foolish talk. Maybe you just can't see as well as other people, or maybe you just aren't as critical a viewer. A small diffence may be all that matters to people who want that small difference, because they appreciate the slight extra measure of quality. Yeah, and all of the reviews I've read agree with me. At best the difference is minimal, and not noticeable with the human eye. Clearly you are blind. *I have a sony 1080p tv. *I can easily tell the diffference between a blu ray movie at 1080p and any of the lower resolutions sitting in our family room. Oh, so you have a 720p TV sitting right next to your 1080p for comparison while viewing a Blu-ray with the same source material. You obviously haven't read what I wrote. Try again.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You said; "I have a 50" Panasonic 720 Plasma. My neighbor has a 50" LG 1080 Plasma. We both sit about 11 ft away from our TVs. There is NO noticeable resolution difference, period. Sounds like you bought the Best Buy sales pitch." I'm watching the same tv at different resolutions. *And at 1080p the picture is clearly better than at 720p. I know what I said. I'm talking about the SAME source on a 720 vs 1080 TV. I NEVER said that a 1080p wasn't a better source than 720p.........sheesh.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - He doesn't understand the difference between the source resolution and the native resolution of the display. Watching 720P on a 1080P display is not the same thing as watching 720P on a display that has a maximum resolution of 720P. |
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On Nov 18, 1:41*pm, ransley wrote:
On Nov 18, 10:51*am, Ron wrote: Take a Panny 50" 720 Plasma and a Panny 50" 1080 Plasma that are equal models (expect for the resolution of course). *Hook them both up to a Blu-ray player with the same source viewed from 10 ft or father away and there will be no noticeable difference. Broadcast tv is 720p, so you are saying broadcast tv equals blue ray on a 1080p plasma at 10 ft? I find that impossible to believe. No that's not what I'm saying. I can't be any more clear than I was above. |
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On Nov 18, 1:27*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article , *Ron wrote: I give up. It's your money. It ain't my money. My TV is a 10 yr. old CRT that I swiped from my aunt's house when she croaked. You don't even OWN an HDTV and you are "debating" this? Hilarious. |
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On Nov 18, 12:05*pm, Ron wrote:
On Nov 18, 1:27*pm, Smitty Two wrote: In article , *Ron wrote: I give up. It's your money. It ain't my money. My TV is a 10 yr. old CRT that I swiped from my aunt's house when she croaked. You don't even OWN an HDTV and you are "debating" this? Hilarious. Ron, I understand what you are saying. A 1080p TV can not render the same quality 720p picture as a 720p only, TV can. |
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On Nov 18, 11:42*am, Ron wrote:
On Nov 18, 11:04*am, jamesgangnc wrote: On Nov 18, 10:23*am, Ron wrote: On Nov 18, 10:09*am, jamesgangnc wrote: On Nov 18, 9:55*am, Ron wrote: On Nov 18, 9:41*am, wrote: On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:33:43 -0800 (PST), Ron wrote: For our friend considering a 32" TV, I'd say the difference beween 720P and either 1080i or p isn't going to be noticeable on that size display. Or on any TV up to 50" depending on how far away you are sitting from the TV. Many people can't readily tell the difference between a page of text printed at 600 dpi from one printed at 1200 dpi. Other people see a big difference. Claiming that there is no difference between 720p and 1080p because YOU, or even thousands of people, can't tell the difference, is just foolish talk. Maybe you just can't see as well as other people, or maybe you just aren't as critical a viewer. A small diffence may be all that matters to people who want that small difference, because they appreciate the slight extra measure of quality. Yeah, and all of the reviews I've read agree with me. At best the difference is minimal, and not noticeable with the human eye. Clearly you are blind. *I have a sony 1080p tv. *I can easily tell the diffference between a blu ray movie at 1080p and any of the lower resolutions sitting in our family room. Oh, so you have a 720p TV sitting right next to your 1080p for comparison while viewing a Blu-ray with the same source material. You obviously haven't read what I wrote. Try again.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You said; "I have a 50" Panasonic 720 Plasma. My neighbor has a 50" LG 1080 Plasma. We both sit about 11 ft away from our TVs. There is NO noticeable resolution difference, period. Sounds like you bought the Best Buy sales pitch." I'm watching the same tv at different resolutions. *And at 1080p the picture is clearly better than at 720p. I know what I said. I'm talking about the SAME source on a 720 vs 1080 TV. I NEVER said that a 1080p wasn't a better source than 720p.........sheesh.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You didn't say anything about the same source. The word source isn't in your comment anywhere. If the source is 720p and you view it native then obviously it doesn't help any to have a 1080p capable display. |
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On Nov 18, 2:50*pm, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Nov 18, 11:42*am, Ron wrote: I know what I said. I'm talking about the SAME source on a 720 vs 1080 TV. I NEVER said that a 1080p wasn't a better source than 720p.........sheesh. You didn't say anything about the same source. * The word source isn't in your comment anywhere. If the source is 720p and you view it native then obviously it doesn't help any to have a 1080p capable display. If the source being viewed is 1080p (Blu-ray) on a 50" 720 TV from 10-12 ft away, it's going to look the same as it would on a 50" 1080 TV from 10-12 ft away. It's only going to look better on the 1080 as you move closer to the TV. |
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On Nov 18, 3:09*pm, Ron wrote:
On Nov 18, 2:50*pm, jamesgangnc wrote: On Nov 18, 11:42*am, Ron wrote: I know what I said. I'm talking about the SAME source on a 720 vs 1080 TV. I NEVER said that a 1080p wasn't a better source than 720p.........sheesh. You didn't say anything about the same source. * The word source isn't in your comment anywhere. If the source is 720p and you view it native then obviously it doesn't help any to have a 1080p capable display. If the source being viewed is 1080p (Blu-ray) on a 50" 720 TV from 10-12 ft away, it's going to look the same as it would on a 50" 1080 TV from 10-12 ft away. It's only going to look better on the 1080 as you move closer to the TV. You keep telling yourself that while I watch my bluray movies and play my ps3 at 1080p. |
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On Nov 18, 3:19*pm, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Nov 18, 3:09*pm, Ron wrote: On Nov 18, 2:50*pm, jamesgangnc wrote: On Nov 18, 11:42*am, Ron wrote: I know what I said. I'm talking about the SAME source on a 720 vs 1080 TV. I NEVER said that a 1080p wasn't a better source than 720p.........sheesh. You didn't say anything about the same source. * The word source isn't in your comment anywhere. If the source is 720p and you view it native then obviously it doesn't help any to have a 1080p capable display. If the source being viewed is 1080p (Blu-ray) on a 50" 720 TV from 10-12 ft away, it's going to look the same as it would on a 50" 1080 TV from 10-12 ft away. It's only going to look better on the 1080 as you move closer to the TV. You keep telling yourself that while I watch my bluray movies and play my ps3 at 1080p. I don't have to tell myself anything. It is well documented by many reputable sources all over the web. |
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, Ron wrote: On Nov 18, 1:27*pm, Smitty Two wrote: In article , *Ron wrote: I give up. It's your money. It ain't my money. My TV is a 10 yr. old CRT that I swiped from my aunt's house when she croaked. You don't even OWN an HDTV and you are "debating" this? Hilarious. Who said I didn't own an HDTV? All I said was mine didn't involve spending money, and it isn't an LCD. I did misrepresent the age, however: It was actually manufactured in July of 2004. But I'm happy to have amused you. |
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:09:15 -0500, LouB wrote:
My motto when in stores: Don't trust nothing what eats An excellent summary. Thanks. |
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"SBH" wrote in message ... "Higgs Boson" wrote in message ... Oh, ye who are much smarter than *&&^%$) Verizon (if one can ever reach a "human'): 1. I may have to break down and buy a new 32"TV -- which I hate to do, given the small number of channels I watch out of the gazillion available. Am in throes of trying to understand the pros & cons of LCD vs LED. The little research I have done on-line, e.g. http:// www.ledvslcdtv.com/ as well as others, has left me more confused than ever. I don't want to spend "x" today if the technology is going to take a quantum leap tomorrow. Your thoughts on Led vs Lcd welcome. 2. A supposedly knowledgeable friend told me that paying more for a 1080 pixels TV is justified only if images are transmitted in 1080. Can images be transmitted either way? Or is it a function of the receiver? (Showing my ignorance g) Your thoughts on 1080 vs 720 greatly appreciated. HB You've received great advice. As you've read, LED is simply backlighting in the LCD TVs. Normal backlighting used fluorescent tubes and had a lower contrast ration. LED offers a brighter screen and higher contrast ration. Oops..."ratio" |
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On Nov 18, 2:09*pm, Ron wrote:
On Nov 18, 2:50*pm, jamesgangnc wrote: On Nov 18, 11:42*am, Ron wrote: I know what I said. I'm talking about the SAME source on a 720 vs 1080 TV. I NEVER said that a 1080p wasn't a better source than 720p.........sheesh. You didn't say anything about the same source. * The word source isn't in your comment anywhere. If the source is 720p and you view it native then obviously it doesn't help any to have a 1080p capable display. If the source being viewed is 1080p (Blu-ray) on a 50" 720 TV from 10-12 ft away, it's going to look the same as it would on a 50" 1080 TV from 10-12 ft away. It's only going to look better on the 1080 as you move closer to the TV. I must have great eyes, but sitting closer is not a bad idea. You really need to be less than 10ft away with 1080p and 50" to apreciate it best. A 50" might be 45" wide across, for 3d 1.4-1.7 x width is best and thats means sitting 6ft away. |
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On Nov 18, 7:16*pm, ransley wrote:
On Nov 18, 2:09*pm, Ron wrote: On Nov 18, 2:50*pm, jamesgangnc wrote: On Nov 18, 11:42*am, Ron wrote: I know what I said. I'm talking about the SAME source on a 720 vs 1080 TV. I NEVER said that a 1080p wasn't a better source than 720p.........sheesh. You didn't say anything about the same source. * The word source isn't in your comment anywhere. If the source is 720p and you view it native then obviously it doesn't help any to have a 1080p capable display. If the source being viewed is 1080p (Blu-ray) on a 50" 720 TV from 10-12 ft away, it's going to look the same as it would on a 50" 1080 TV from 10-12 ft away. It's only going to look better on the 1080 as you move closer to the TV. I must have great eyes, but sitting closer is not a bad idea. You really need to be less than 10ft away with 1080p and 50" to apreciate it best. A 50" might be 45" wide across, for 3d 1.4-1.7 x width *is best and thats means sitting 6ft away. And you have a nice HT system like I do, sitting any closer would completely ruin the sound stage. |
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"ransley" wrote I have two HD sets, a 32" 720 and a 47" 1080. The picture quality is equal. At 32" you don't really need the 1080. Depending on location and space available, bigger really is better. We have the 32" in the bedroom, the larger in the family room. Do you mean your one set is 1080i or 1080p, only blue ray and maybe some sattelites can do 1080p, 1080 p is better It will do I or P depending the the signal received. |
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"Smitty Two" wrote If you can get a 30 day price guaranty Completely useless. Manufacturers have been creating private model numbers for retailers for decades. That's true to some extent, but it doesn't make every price guarantee useless. I've seen many stores caring the exact same models. I've also seen what you're talking about. The bottom line is, depending on what TV you actually buy, the price guarantee could be useful. All right, I concede that it's conceivable that the same store could carry the same model 30 days later. Still, everyone who's ever bought something and then price-shopped it for the next 30 days, please stand up. I'm standing What don't you understand? You've never gone back to the same store 30 days later? It was a big selling point for some of the electronics sellers that if they drop prices up to 30 days later, they will give you a refund. Makes a lot of sense because sales are lost when a customer is ready to buy and thinks "I'll wait to see if it is one sale for the XXX holiday" and he either never returns or goes elsewhere next week. The LG that I paid $830 for was on marked down to $790 a few weeks later and is probably even down more now. Same exact set. Am I sorry? No, because I've been enjoying it all along. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote: "Smitty Two" wrote If you can get a 30 day price guaranty Completely useless. Manufacturers have been creating private model numbers for retailers for decades. That's true to some extent, but it doesn't make every price guarantee useless. I've seen many stores caring the exact same models. I've also seen what you're talking about. The bottom line is, depending on what TV you actually buy, the price guarantee could be useful. All right, I concede that it's conceivable that the same store could carry the same model 30 days later. Still, everyone who's ever bought something and then price-shopped it for the next 30 days, please stand up. I'm standing What don't you understand? You've never gone back to the same store 30 days later? It was a big selling point for some of the electronics sellers that if they drop prices up to 30 days later, they will give you a refund. Makes a lot of sense because sales are lost when a customer is ready to buy and thinks "I'll wait to see if it is one sale for the XXX holiday" and he either never returns or goes elsewhere next week. The LG that I paid $830 for was on marked down to $790 a few weeks later and is probably even down more now. Same exact set. Am I sorry? No, because I've been enjoying it all along. I'm not really a consumer. I rarely buy things new. When I do, I pay the money and go home. I don't join supermarket clubs, or clip coupons. I really don't care that much how much something costs; if I need it or want it badly enough I buy it for whatever price is asked at the time. (I actually got 86'ed at a grocery store for telling the manager I didn't want to be ****ed in the ass at the cash register just because I didn't want to join their stupid club.) I remember standing in line with a shovel once, and the lady ahead of me in line said I could get a much less expensive shovel at a different store. My dead dog was at home, waiting to be planted, so I wasn't in the mood to price shop. But as I said, I'm rarely in that mood anyway. I would never go back to a store to see if they'd lowered the price on something I already had. So thanks for an alternative viewpoint. |
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wrote As I was paying for my TV, an elderly man was buying a 27" TV and the salesman got him to take the Monster cables. I bet the cables cost a quarter or a third of what the TV cost. And the profit they made on the cable far exceeds what they made on the TV. So, who knows what they would do in a store to push a specific model TV that has a spiff in it for the salesman. If you need HDMI cables, go to Amazon and buy the $4 ones. They works as well as the $30+ cords. When I had my DirecTV setup, the installer left me a couple of extras also. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
If you need HDMI cables, go to Amazon and buy the $4 ones. They works as well as the $30+ cords. When I had my DirecTV setup, the installer left me a couple of extras also. Avoid Monster Cable. Get Blue Jean cable. Here's why: " I say this because my observation has been that Monster Cable typically operates in a hit-and-run fashion. Your client threatens litigation, expecting the victim to panic and plead for mercy; and what follows is a quickie negotiation session that ends with payment and a licensing agreement. Your client then uses this collection of licensing agreements to convince others under similar threat to accede to its demands. Let me be clear about this: there are only two ways for you to get anything out of me. You will either need to (1) convince me that I have infringed, or (2) obtain a final judgment to that effect from a court of competent jurisdiction. " Read the whole thing: http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...s-strikes-back |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
m... Ed Pawlowski wrote: If you need HDMI cables, go to Amazon and buy the $4 ones. They works as well as the $30+ cords. When I had my DirecTV setup, the installer left me a couple of extras also. Avoid Monster Cable. Get Blue Jean cable. Here's why: " I say this because my observation has been that Monster Cable typically operates in a hit-and-run fashion. Your client threatens litigation, expecting the victim to panic and plead for mercy; and what follows is a quickie negotiation session that ends with payment and a licensing agreement. Your client then uses this collection of licensing agreements to convince others under similar threat to accede to its demands. Let me be clear about this: there are only two ways for you to get anything out of me. You will either need to (1) convince me that I have infringed, or (2) obtain a final judgment to that effect from a court of competent jurisdiction. " Read the whole thing: http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...s-strikes-back A great letter. I've saved a copy for "boiler plating" in the future. I really, really would like to see the outrageous and nonsensical claims Monster has been making for year dealt with in court with expert witnesses who would tear them a new output port. Sadly, I have friends that believe that paying 10 times what a cable is worth makes it somehow ten times better. )-: I'm guessing if Monster is stupid enough to proceed, they might very well end up having to admit, in court, that they are 98% hype and nothing more. -- Bobby G. |
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On 11/19/2010 2:19 AM, Robert Green wrote:
wrote in message m... Ed Pawlowski wrote: If you need HDMI cables, go to Amazon and buy the $4 ones. They works as well as the $30+ cords. When I had my DirecTV setup, the installer left me a couple of extras also. Avoid Monster Cable. Get Blue Jean cable. Here's why: " I say this because my observation has been that Monster Cable typically operates in a hit-and-run fashion. Your client threatens litigation, expecting the victim to panic and plead for mercy; and what follows is a quickie negotiation session that ends with payment and a licensing agreement. Your client then uses this collection of licensing agreements to convince others under similar threat to accede to its demands. Let me be clear about this: there are only two ways for you to get anything out of me. You will either need to (1) convince me that I have infringed, or (2) obtain a final judgment to that effect from a court of competent jurisdiction. " Read the whole thing: http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...s-strikes-back A great letter. I've saved a copy for "boiler plating" in the future. I really, really would like to see the outrageous and nonsensical claims Monster has been making for year dealt with in court with expert witnesses who would tear them a new output port. Sadly, I have friends that believe that paying 10 times what a cable is worth makes it somehow ten times better. )-: I'm guessing if Monster is stupid enough to proceed, they might very well end up having to admit, in court, that they are 98% hype and nothing more. -- Bobby G. Wouldn't your electrons rather travel in luxury? Contented audio signals produce superior sound when they don't have to fight their way down an impure copper pathway and traverse anything but the most luxurious gold plated connections. Dang! I should write copy for Monster Cable! 8-) TDD |
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"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
... On 11/19/2010 2:19 AM, Robert Green wrote: wrote in message m... Ed Pawlowski wrote: If you need HDMI cables, go to Amazon and buy the $4 ones. They works as well as the $30+ cords. When I had my DirecTV setup, the installer left me a couple of extras also. Avoid Monster Cable. Get Blue Jean cable. Here's why: " I say this because my observation has been that Monster Cable typically operates in a hit-and-run fashion. Your client threatens litigation, expecting the victim to panic and plead for mercy; and what follows is a quickie negotiation session that ends with payment and a licensing agreement. Your client then uses this collection of licensing agreements to convince others under similar threat to accede to its demands. Let me be clear about this: there are only two ways for you to get anything out of me. You will either need to (1) convince me that I have infringed, or (2) obtain a final judgment to that effect from a court of competent jurisdiction. " Read the whole thing: http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...s-strikes-back A great letter. I've saved a copy for "boiler plating" in the future. I really, really would like to see the outrageous and nonsensical claims Monster has been making for year dealt with in court with expert witnesses who would tear them a new output port. Sadly, I have friends that believe that paying 10 times what a cable is worth makes it somehow ten times better. )-: I'm guessing if Monster is stupid enough to proceed, they might very well end up having to admit, in court, that they are 98% hype and nothing more. -- Bobby G. Wouldn't your electrons rather travel in luxury? Contented audio signals produce superior sound when they don't have to fight their way down an impure copper pathway and traverse anything but the most luxurious gold plated connections. Dang! I should write copy for Monster Cable! 8-) TDD My favorite monsterism is marking the cables to indicate optimum electron flow. -- Bobby G. |
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In article ,
The Daring Dufas wrote: Wouldn't your electrons rather travel in luxury? Contented audio signals produce superior sound when they don't have to fight their way down an impure copper pathway and traverse anything but the most luxurious gold plated connections. Dang! I should write copy for Monster Cable! 8-) Monster Cable's hype is peanuts compared to some of the audiophile stuff. Pick yourself up a copy of The Absolute Sound and you'll find ads for things like a $1500 gadget to "burn in" your new cables before you use them. Saves you waiting several months for them to "burn in" under normal use. Of course, they're talking about cables that cost 10 to 100 times what Monster charges. When cables are that good, you can't possibly get the most from them until they've formed themselves to the music. |
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Robert Green wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message m... Ed Pawlowski wrote: If you need HDMI cables, go to Amazon and buy the $4 ones. They works as well as the $30+ cords. When I had my DirecTV setup, the installer left me a couple of extras also. Avoid Monster Cable. Get Blue Jean cable. Here's why: " I say this because my observation has been that Monster Cable typically operates in a hit-and-run fashion. Your client threatens litigation, expecting the victim to panic and plead for mercy; and what follows is a quickie negotiation session that ends with payment and a licensing agreement. Your client then uses this collection of licensing agreements to convince others under similar threat to accede to its demands. Let me be clear about this: there are only two ways for you to get anything out of me. You will either need to (1) convince me that I have infringed, or (2) obtain a final judgment to that effect from a court of competent jurisdiction. " Read the whole thing: http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...s-strikes-back A great letter. I've saved a copy for "boiler plating" in the future. I really, really would like to see the outrageous and nonsensical claims Monster has been making for year dealt with in court with expert witnesses who would tear them a new output port. Sadly, I have friends that believe that paying 10 times what a cable is worth makes it somehow ten times better. )-: I'm guessing if Monster is stupid enough to proceed, they might very well end up having to admit, in court, that they are 98% hype and nothing more. It's worse. Monster Cable even threatened to sue one "Vermonster Day Care" for using the trademarked word in their name! http://www.techdirt.com/articles/200...03446477.shtml |
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