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Stormin Mormon October 23rd 10 04:16 AM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
Wick type oil or "kerosene" lamps from Walmart or other places. They
put out some heat. But, how much?

Any idea how to figure out the BTU per hour? My thought is that they
burn about an ounce of oil an hour. More or less. So, on the web some
where has to be the heat content of lamp oil. Figure it out from
there.

If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..




[email protected] October 23rd 10 05:24 AM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:16:03 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Wick type oil or "kerosene" lamps from Walmart or other places. They
put out some heat. But, how much?

Any idea how to figure out the BTU per hour? My thought is that they
burn about an ounce of oil an hour. More or less. So, on the web some
where has to be the heat content of lamp oil. Figure it out from
there.

If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.

A few votive candles will keep you from freezing to death. Even Tea
Lights, but they don't last as long.
Lamp oil is about 45Mj/kg. or roughly 43000 BTU per Kg
With a Specific Gravity of .82, 1Kg of Kero/lamp oil is .roughly a
quart - so figure 43000/32 = roughly 95 BTU/hour if your calculations
and mine are both close to real-world.
I believe a single wick candle is roughly 50 BTU, so I suspect your
consumption figure is a bit low, unless you are talking a pretty small
Kero lamp (1/4" wick, more or less?)

I just checked Vermont oil lamps, and they claim thair 1/2" wick lamps
consume roughly 1/2 ounce per hour - so a 1" wick should burn an ounce
an hour. Either my numbers for a candle are off or the heat value of
wax is a lot higher than kero - which is POSSIBLE, but liquid parrafin
puts out less LIGHT than kero in a wick lamp, so?????


Jeff Thies October 23rd 10 02:02 PM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On 10/22/2010 11:24 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:16:03 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Wick type oil or "kerosene" lamps from Walmart or other places. They
put out some heat. But, how much?

Any idea how to figure out the BTU per hour? My thought is that they
burn about an ounce of oil an hour. More or less. So, on the web some
where has to be the heat content of lamp oil. Figure it out from
there.

If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.

A few votive candles will keep you from freezing to death.


I had a friend who lived in the woods for a while. On a cold night he
would light a few candles.


Even Tea
Lights, but they don't last as long.
Lamp oil is about 45Mj/kg. or roughly 43000 BTU per Kg
With a Specific Gravity of .82, 1Kg of Kero/lamp oil is .roughly a
quart - so figure 43000/32 = roughly 95 BTU/hour if your calculations
and mine are both close to real-world.
I believe a single wick candle is roughly 50 BTU, so I suspect your
consumption figure is a bit low, unless you are talking a pretty small
Kero lamp (1/4" wick, more or less?)

I just checked Vermont oil lamps, and they claim thair 1/2" wick lamps
consume roughly 1/2 ounce per hour - so a 1" wick should burn an ounce
an hour. Either my numbers for a candle are off or the heat value of
wax is a lot higher than kero - which is POSSIBLE, but liquid parrafin
puts out less LIGHT than kero in a wick lamp, so?????


I think, perhaps, one too many conversions in the calculations
somewhere. Ed's figure looks about right. In the neighborhood of 1000
BTUs/Hr for a standard oil lamp. Perhaps a bit less.

It may not be worth cleaning up the smoke and smudge.

Jeff


Stormin Mormon October 23rd 10 02:36 PM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 

A few votive candles will keep you from freezing to death. Even Tea
Lights, but they don't last as long.

CY: The time in 2003 when the power was out, four days. My 11,000 BTU
per hour kerosene heater did some good, but it was still painfully
cold.

Lamp oil is about 45Mj/kg. or roughly 43000 BTU per Kg
With a Specific Gravity of .82, 1Kg of Kero/lamp oil is .roughly a
quart - so figure 43000/32 = roughly 95 BTU/hour if your calculations
and mine are both close to real-world.

CY: Yes, that sounds in the ball park. Close enough.

I believe a single wick candle is roughly 50 BTU, so I suspect your
consumption figure is a bit low, unless you are talking a pretty small
Kero lamp (1/4" wick, more or less?)

CY: About an ounce an hour was what I got with a lamp I tried. I can't
remember the wick width.


I just checked Vermont oil lamps, and they claim thair 1/2" wick lamps
consume roughly 1/2 ounce per hour - so a 1" wick should burn an ounce
an hour. Either my numbers for a candle are off or the heat value of
wax is a lot higher than kero - which is POSSIBLE, but liquid parrafin
puts out less LIGHT than kero in a wick lamp, so?????

CY: Still, it gives me a rough idea. I figured it was some heat, but
not a lot. At an ounce an hour, it can't be all that much. Compared to
the kerosene heater which uses a galon in 12 hours, or about 10 ounces
an hour. Actually, if I figure 11 ounces an hour puts out 11,000 BTU
an hour. That gives me some numbers to work with. Thanks for helping
me figure out a reasonable answer.



Stormin Mormon October 23rd 10 02:38 PM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.

A few votive candles will keep you from freezing to death.


I had a friend who lived in the woods for a while. On a cold night he
would light a few candles.

CY: Well, candles do have flame, and do put out "a little" heat.
Another writer says maybe 50 BTU per hour.


I just checked Vermont oil lamps, and they claim thair 1/2" wick
lamps
consume roughly 1/2 ounce per hour - so a 1" wick should burn an
ounce
an hour. Either my numbers for a candle are off or the heat value of
wax is a lot higher than kero - which is POSSIBLE, but liquid
parrafin
puts out less LIGHT than kero in a wick lamp, so?????


I think, perhaps, one too many conversions in the calculations
somewhere. Ed's figure looks about right. In the neighborhood of 1000
BTUs/Hr for a standard oil lamp. Perhaps a bit less.

CY: I ran some numbers, and 1,000 BTU per ounce is more or less
correct.

It may not be worth cleaning up the smoke and smudge.

CY: Yes, candles do put out a lot of soot. I would only use candles
for emergency heat. And then as a last resort.




jeff_wisnia[_2_] October 24th 10 12:05 AM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Wick type oil or "kerosene" lamps from Walmart or other places. They
put out some heat. But, how much?

Any idea how to figure out the BTU per hour? My thought is that they
burn about an ounce of oil an hour. More or less. So, on the web some
where has to be the heat content of lamp oil. Figure it out from
there.

If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.


The human body emits about 400 BTU/hr.

So, if you could get a couple of hotties to snuggle up to you in
"sandwich mode", perhaps with an insulating wrap around the three of
you, you'd not need to worry about the output of oil lamps would you? G

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.

Stormin Mormon October 24th 10 01:02 AM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
I suspect before the end of the Oh Bomb Us administration. We'll all
be wearing sweatters indoors like Jimmuh Kottah. We'll be driving
clown cars, and wishing we could afford to both heat and eat.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..


"A. Baum" wrote in message
...


If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat
when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.


I use a couple to light my entertainment room in the evening. They do
noticeably so keep the furnace from coming on as often. There are what
i
would call standard size wick lamps that I use K1 in. Back when K1
wasn't
3 bucks a gallon I heated my house in the evening with a 100K BTU
heater.
It could be 10F outside and the furnace set at 68F would not come on.
These days it's pretty expensive to supplement the main heat source
with
a portable K1 heater. More so than natural gas at $6.47 per MCF. And i
was pretty serious about it too buying K1 from a local petro dealer by
the 55 gallon drum. Can't afford it these days.



Stormin Mormon October 24th 10 01:03 AM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
Hmm. That's a good idea. Now, I just need a couple more wives.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"jeff_wisnia" wrote in message
...

The human body emits about 400 BTU/hr.

So, if you could get a couple of hotties to snuggle up to you in
"sandwich mode", perhaps with an insulating wrap around the three of
you, you'd not need to worry about the output of oil lamps would you?
G

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10e12 furlongs per fortnight.



David Nebenzahl October 24th 10 01:16 AM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On 10/23/2010 4:03 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

Hmm. That's a good idea. Now, I just need a couple more wives.


Planning on moving up to Northern Arizona, are you?


--
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with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

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Northe[_2_] October 24th 10 02:11 AM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
Wick type oil or "kerosene" lamps from Walmart or other places. They
put out some heat. But, how much?

Any idea how to figure out the BTU per hour? My thought is that they
burn about an ounce of oil an hour. More or less. So, on the web some
where has to be the heat content of lamp oil. Figure it out from
there.

If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.


FWIW, according to:http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?
msg_id=000Qj8

"An Aladdin mantle lamp will use, at full bore, about one gallon of
kerosene for every 50 hours of use. Output is 3500 BTU's... more than
enough to heat one well-insulated room in winter. In addition to
light, you can cook on one... the heat escaping the chimney is over
400 degrees F. Inventive minds can design a sturdy, tall stand to hold
a skillet for cooking. Don't have an inventive mind? Better cultivate
one, or make close acquaintance with one soon... you'll need it to get
through what's coming."

Northe

Stormin Mormon October 24th 10 10:26 PM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
Naah, just staying where I am. I don't have the money to buy my own
fundamentalist compound.

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"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...
On 10/23/2010 4:03 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

Hmm. That's a good idea. Now, I just need a couple more wives.


Planning on moving up to Northern Arizona, are you?


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)



aemeijers October 25th 10 12:14 AM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On 10/24/2010 5:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 10/24/2010 1:26 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

Naah, just staying where I am. I don't have the money to buy my own
fundamentalist compound.


OK, Stormie: I've got a few minutes on my hands I can afford to waste
here, so I'm going to try to drill into that rather thick skull of yours
just why your posts are so annoyingly malformed.

(snip)
It's pointless. We've all tried. He just doesn't care.

--
aem sends....

Oren[_2_] October 25th 10 02:33 AM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:14:18 -0400, aemeijers
wrote:

On 10/24/2010 5:12 PM, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 10/24/2010 1:26 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

Naah, just staying where I am. I don't have the money to buy my own
fundamentalist compound.


OK, Stormie: I've got a few minutes on my hands I can afford to waste
here, so I'm going to try to drill into that rather thick skull of yours
just why your posts are so annoyingly malformed.

(snip)
It's pointless. We've all tried. He just doesn't care.


Yes we have tried. I mentioned to Chris more than several times about
children in Ethiopia having to walk for days to even get hands on a
computer. How they may miss an entire thread because of the way a
server truncates threads.

His top posting is not something _ Jesus_ would do.

I've explained how he could read about this, especially about how
Usenet works -- but he ignores it. Purely a selfish move on his part.

Now watch how he ignores me and fails to respond. Trust me. Not all
Mormons are acting like him, well, except Harry Reid in Nevada.

David Nebenzahl October 27th 10 11:36 PM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On 10/27/2010 1:30 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

Ahhh..... so much better.....


Did you think you changed your setup? You didn't; everything is *still*
below your sig, and gets cut off when replying to, as you can see here.

OK, let's make a deal. Let's just forget about the top-posting for the
time being (one step at a time), and let's just try to get your
newsreader (Outhouse Express) set up correctly so that your sig gets put
at the *very end* of your messages, OK? That'll put your postings in
line with most everyone else 'round heah.

If you can't manage this, I'm sure there's some 12-year-old kid around
who would be glad to take 10 minutes and do it. Or maybe you know some
other computer-savvy person. (Sorry, since I don't use Outlook I can't
help you.) In any case, it should be a simple configuration matter.

I look forward to your new, improved posts.


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

Stormin Mormon October 28th 10 03:08 AM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
After you changed your post around, your post was so much better. Let
me know when the new, improve posts start.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message
.com...
On 10/27/2010 1:30 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

Ahhh..... so much better.....


Did you think you changed your setup? You didn't; everything is
*still*
below your sig, and gets cut off when replying to, as you can see
here.

OK, let's make a deal. Let's just forget about the top-posting for the
time being (one step at a time), and let's just try to get your
newsreader (Outhouse Express) set up correctly so that your sig gets
put
at the *very end* of your messages, OK? That'll put your postings in
line with most everyone else 'round heah.

If you can't manage this, I'm sure there's some 12-year-old kid around
who would be glad to take 10 minutes and do it. Or maybe you know some
other computer-savvy person. (Sorry, since I don't use Outlook I can't
help you.) In any case, it should be a simple configuration matter.

I look forward to your new, improved posts.


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)



David Nebenzahl October 28th 10 04:35 AM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On 10/27/2010 6:08 PM Stormin Mormon spake thus:

After you changed your post around, your post was so much better. Let
me know when the new, improve posts start.


What? I thought we were talking about improving *your* posts. Mine don't
need it (at least so far as formatting goes).

For some reason this reminds me of that old Marx Brothers gag where one
of them would put their leg in some poor schmuck's hand, making it seem
as if the schmuck had grabbed their leg.


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

[email protected] April 5th 14 11:44 PM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On Friday, October 22, 2010 7:16:03 PM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Wick type oil or "kerosene" lamps from Walmart or other places. They
put out some heat. But, how much?

Any idea how to figure out the BTU per hour? My thought is that they
burn about an ounce of oil an hour. More or less. So, on the web some
where has to be the heat content of lamp oil. Figure it out from
there.

If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.



Ed Pawlowski April 6th 14 01:14 AM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On 4/5/2014 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 22, 2010 7:16:03 PM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Wick type oil or "kerosene" lamps from Walmart or other places. They
put out some heat. But, how much?

Any idea how to figure out the BTU per hour? My thought is that they
burn about an ounce of oil an hour. More or less. So, on the web some
where has to be the heat content of lamp oil. Figure it out from
there.

If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.



135,000 btu per gallon or 1054 per ounce. If you burn an ounce per
hour, you will still be cold in the house. Typical 120V space heater is
five times that.

Stormin Mormon[_10_] April 6th 14 04:23 PM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On 4/5/2014 6:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/5/2014 5:44 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 22, 2010 7:16:03 PM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Wick type oil or "kerosene" lamps from Walmart or other places. They
put out some heat. But, how much?

Any idea how to figure out the BTU per hour? My thought is that they
burn about an ounce of oil an hour. More or less. So, on the web some
where has to be the heat content of lamp oil. Figure it out from
there.

If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.



135,000 btu per gallon or 1054 per ounce. If you burn an ounce per
hour, you will still be cold in the house. Typical 120V space heater is
five times that.


One power cut, I tried a 11,000 BTU kerosene heater,
which did not keep my trailer warm. Oil lamps, well,
better than nothing. I'd light all of them, plus
stove burners and anything else for heat. Trailers
lose heat in the winter, at amazing rate.

Yes, typical electric is 5,200 BTU per hour.

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Christopher A. Young
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Stormin Mormon[_10_] April 6th 14 04:24 PM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On 4/5/2014 4:44 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 22, 2010 7:16:03 PM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Wick type oil or "kerosene" lamps from Walmart or other places. They
put out some heat. But, how much?

Any idea how to figure out the BTU per hour? My thought is that they
burn about an ounce of oil an hour. More or less. So, on the web some
where has to be the heat content of lamp oil. Figure it out from
there.

If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


Thanks for bring up this three and a half year old
thread. It's cold again, wonders.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
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[email protected] March 7th 16 09:19 PM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On Friday, October 22, 2010 at 10:16:03 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Wick type oil or "kerosene" lamps from Walmart or other places. They
put out some heat. But, how much?

Any idea how to figure out the BTU per hour? My thought is that they
burn about an ounce of oil an hour. More or less. So, on the web some
where has to be the heat content of lamp oil. Figure it out from
there.

If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


I have a small 10 foot by 8 foot partially insulated shed as my man cave and during the winter keep it above freezing in the winter using small 1/4 inch round wick oil lamps. So if its 32 outside one lamp will keep it about 42 inside. if it goes down to 10 outside two lamps will keep it just above freezing. My estimate based on each small lamp using 3 oz of kerosene per day is each lamp puts out just about 40 watts per hour of heat or 132 btu per hour.

A typical human at rest puts out pending body size from 60 to 80 watts an hour. If I am in the shed with the doors closed and the one lamp burning the internal temp rises pretty quickly by about 15 degrees from 40 to 55 or so in half an hour so the real world math adds up.

If I ever finish insulating the sides and floor better with the ceiling peak vents and soffet vents completely separated from the interior space I am sure the one lamp would provide more like a 20 degree F increase over outside temps.

R.

Stormin Mormon[_10_] March 9th 16 01:04 PM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
On 3/7/2016 3:19 PM, wrote:
On Friday, October 22, 2010 at 10:16:03 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Wick type oil or "kerosene" lamps from Walmart or other places. They
put out some heat. But, how much?

Any idea how to figure out the BTU per hour? My thought is that they
burn about an ounce of oil an hour. More or less. So, on the web some
where has to be the heat content of lamp oil. Figure it out from
there.

If it's enough, then an oil lamp or two or more. Could be used for
heat when the power is off, or the propane tank is empty.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


I have a small 10 foot by 8 foot partially insulated shed as

my man cave and during the winter keep it above freezing in the
winter using small 1/4 inch round wick oil lamps. So if its 32
outside one lamp will keep it about 42 inside. if it goes down
to 10 outside two lamps will keep it just above freezing. My
estimate based on each small lamp using 3 oz of kerosene per
day is each lamp puts out just about 40 watts per hour of heat
or 132 btu per hour.

A typical human at rest puts out pending body size from

60 to 80 watts an hour. If I am in the shed with the doors
closed and the one lamp burning the internal temp rises
pretty quickly by about 15 degrees from 40 to 55 or so in
half an hour so the real world math adds up.

If I ever finish insulating the sides and floor better

with the ceiling peak vents and soffet vents completely
separated from the interior space I am sure the one lamp
would provide more like a 20 degree F increase over outside
temps.

R.


Where I live in wetern NYS, we do have power cuts
now and again. And usually in the winter when heat
is needed. I was thinking that since I have a few
oil lamps, I'd light them if I needed the heat.
Sounds like you do that. I'm pleased to hear I'm on
the right track.

My oil lamps burn about an ounce of fuel per hour,
which is "about" 1,000 BTU per hour.

BTW, I'm the original poster in this thread, from so
many years back.

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bad brain March 9th 16 08:44 PM

OT - Heat output of oil lamp
 
replying to clare, bad brain wrote:
clare wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:16:03 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
A few votive candles will keep you from freezing to death. Even Tea
Lights, but they don't last as long.
Lamp oil is about 45Mj/kg. or roughly 43000 BTU per Kg
With a Specific Gravity of .82, 1Kg of Kero/lamp oil is .roughly a
quart - so figure 43000/32 = roughly 95 BTU/hour if your calculations
and mine are both close to real-world.
I believe a single wick candle is roughly 50 BTU, so I suspect your
consumption figure is a bit low, unless you are talking a pretty small
Kero lamp (1/4" wick, more or less?)
I just checked Vermont oil lamps, and they claim thair 1/2" wick lamps
consume roughly 1/2 ounce per hour - so a 1" wick should burn an ounce
an hour. Either my numbers for a candle are off or the heat value of
wax is a lot higher than kero - which is POSSIBLE, but liquid parrafin
puts out less LIGHT than kero in a wick lamp, so?????



I didn't write this. This forum is messed up. I don't have an Aladdin lamp.

This is supposed to be a response to what was said by bad brain.


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