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On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:06:02 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "J O E" wrote in message ... Regarding police attitude - I've had a few traffic citations over the years for violations I've clearly been guilty of ... some issued with few words exchanged. But I've more often than not, been given a break, like the time I was doing 75 in a residential/business neighborhood, zoned at 25 mph. On my way to work at 5:00 AM, when the city wasn't even awake yet, I clocked 75 every morning to time the lights perfectly, and got away with it for a long while - there was never another vehicle in sight. Destined to happen, I caught the bubble gum machine flashing blue and red lights of a police cruiser in my rear view mirror one morning. Cop says, "Where ya headed?" Told him I was on my way to work - he told me to slow it down, and walked away. My personal contact with LEO's has always found 99% of them to be business like ... and polite. Doesn't hurt to treat a cop like a human being, either. Joe One of my more interesting ones involved a cop telling me that I was doing 60 in a 30 zone. I was driving an 82 Toyota Tercel 4 cyl. He he'd seen me waiting at a red light and that he'd hit me with the radar gun about 100 feet from the light. Clearly, that was absurd, since there's no way that Tercel could accelerate from 0 to 60 in 100 feet. But it didn't matter. He lied to the judge. The judge wasn't interested in mathematics, just money. The last ticket I got (that I didn't beat[*]) was on the Jersey Pike at 60 in a 55 (yes, when the national speed limit was 55). The cop was a dick, I guess because I didn't change six lanes of traffic in 100 ft. But on the other hand, I was fairly clocked doing 85 in a 55 zone and I was on the way home from a gun range, so my handgun (in holster) was on the seat next to me. The lady trooper looked at it and said "license & registration, please, and leave that right where it is." Very businesslike. No big deal. I was pulled over on I84 in NY, close to the CT border for 85 in a 55, also. After a few questions, politely asked and answered, he told me to slow it down and have a good day. ;-) [*] I got ticketed for an accident almost 32 years ago (before my son was born). I went to court because the dickhead cop was, well, a dickhead. He showed what a dickhead he was by reaching for his gun (it was his turn to be bailiff that night) every time the judge had to remind people that they were in a court room. The judge noticed. ;-) |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
... No, not all U.S. cops are saints, there are bad apples in most barrels and in some cases even the barrel itself can be messed up (e.g. New Orleans PD). But there is a world of difference between the police in the U.S. and the USSR. The fact remains that unless they have reason to believe you were involved in a crime, they have no grounds for asking where you're coming from or going to. That's a bit of a climb-down from American cops being the same as cops in the USSR. The only time it may benefit you to answer the question is if you've had a couple of beers, the cop thinks you're OK, but he/she wants to know that you're headed home instead of another bar. I'm generally opposed to the laws (sadly endorsed all the way to the Supreme Court) that allow cops to stop and ask nosy questions of people who haven't done anything to justify being stopped, e.g. they're just driving in a part of town known for drug transactions. But there's nothing to stop you from telling a cop who asks where you've been tonight, "How is that any of your business?" This may be of interest to everyone in the discussion. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5833865&hl=en# As I've believed for a long time, at the moment you realize the cops are looking at you as a suspect the thing to do is shut up and if need be demand the presence of your lawyer. Happily most of the time when I talk to a cop it's because I'm a witness and in a position to help somebody who needs help, like yes I saw the rich old broad in the Caddie drag her bumper up the side of that Chevy and then move a few parking spaces over like it never happened. In cases like that I like talking to the cops. |
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... On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:06:02 -0400, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "J O E" wrote in message ... Regarding police attitude - I've had a few traffic citations over the years for violations I've clearly been guilty of ... some issued with few words exchanged. But I've more often than not, been given a break, like the time I was doing 75 in a residential/business neighborhood, zoned at 25 mph. On my way to work at 5:00 AM, when the city wasn't even awake yet, I clocked 75 every morning to time the lights perfectly, and got away with it for a long while - there was never another vehicle in sight. Destined to happen, I caught the bubble gum machine flashing blue and red lights of a police cruiser in my rear view mirror one morning. Cop says, "Where ya headed?" Told him I was on my way to work - he told me to slow it down, and walked away. My personal contact with LEO's has always found 99% of them to be business like ... and polite. Doesn't hurt to treat a cop like a human being, either. Joe One of my more interesting ones involved a cop telling me that I was doing 60 in a 30 zone. I was driving an 82 Toyota Tercel 4 cyl. He he'd seen me waiting at a red light and that he'd hit me with the radar gun about 100 feet from the light. Clearly, that was absurd, since there's no way that Tercel could accelerate from 0 to 60 in 100 feet. But it didn't matter. He lied to the judge. The judge wasn't interested in mathematics, just money. The last ticket I got (that I didn't beat[*]) was on the Jersey Pike at 60 in a 55 (yes, when the national speed limit was 55). The cop was a dick, I guess because I didn't change six lanes of traffic in 100 ft. But on the other hand, I was fairly clocked doing 85 in a 55 zone and I was on the way home from a gun range, so my handgun (in holster) was on the seat next to me. The lady trooper looked at it and said "license & registration, please, and leave that right where it is." Very businesslike. No big deal. I was pulled over on I84 in NY, close to the CT border for 85 in a 55, also. After a few questions, politely asked and answered, he told me to slow it down and have a good day. ;-) [*] I got ticketed for an accident almost 32 years ago (before my son was born). I went to court because the dickhead cop was, well, a dickhead. He showed what a dickhead he was by reaching for his gun (it was his turn to be bailiff that night) every time the judge had to remind people that they were in a court room. The judge noticed. ;-) This should give you a headache: "Nearly three-quarters of the judges are not lawyers, and many - truck drivers, sewer workers or laborers - have scant grasp of the most basic legal principles. Some never got through high school, and at least one went no further than grade school." http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/25/ny.../25courts.html |
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"DGDevin" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... No, not all U.S. cops are saints, there are bad apples in most barrels and in some cases even the barrel itself can be messed up (e.g. New Orleans PD). But there is a world of difference between the police in the U.S. and the USSR. The fact remains that unless they have reason to believe you were involved in a crime, they have no grounds for asking where you're coming from or going to. That's a bit of a climb-down from American cops being the same as cops in the USSR. The only time it may benefit you to answer the question is if you've had a couple of beers, the cop thinks you're OK, but he/she wants to know that you're headed home instead of another bar. I'm generally opposed to the laws (sadly endorsed all the way to the Supreme Court) that allow cops to stop and ask nosy questions of people who haven't done anything to justify being stopped, e.g. they're just driving in a part of town known for drug transactions. But there's nothing to stop you from telling a cop who asks where you've been tonight, "How is that any of your business?" "That information is provided strictly on a need-to-know basis." If it was good enough for William Casey to use with reporters, it's good enough for us to use with cops. |
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"J O E" wrote in message ... Cojoes wrote: "75 in a 25, and the bubble headed LEO let you go? You're an absolute idiot, as well as your LEO's." Can't dispute that - I was very young, and did some stupid things. I shudder to contemplate the implications of that behavior. Joe At least you realize it now, that's a good thing. My work consists of assisting LEO's & State Patrol in shutting down x-ways for accidents. We get called for the worst of the worst. So, I guess I've seen enough to give me an attitude towards people being irresponsible, especially when there are fatalities involving innocent people. |
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"Cojoes" wrote in message
... "J O E" wrote in message ... Cojoes wrote: "75 in a 25, and the bubble headed LEO let you go? You're an absolute idiot, as well as your LEO's." Can't dispute that - I was very young, and did some stupid things. I shudder to contemplate the implications of that behavior. Joe At least you realize it now, that's a good thing. My work consists of assisting LEO's & State Patrol in shutting down x-ways for accidents. We get called for the worst of the worst. It would be so easy to eliminate a large percentage of such accidents. All we need to do is re-jigger driving tests to cause terror and make failure virtually guaranteed for below average drivers. As things are now, no driving test in the nation reflects worst-case situations. Even an interview would be enough to eliminate certain candidates. Everyone knows people who say "I hate driving in rain / snow / at night / near big trucks / on winding roads." Goodbye. No license for you. Not ever. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Even an interview would be enough to eliminate certain candidates. Everyone knows people who say "I hate driving in rain / snow / at night / near big trucks / on winding roads." Goodbye. No license for you. Not ever. Those are the people who I would give a license to. The ones without enough sense to be cautious and fearful are the ones that end up killing people. -- I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator and name it after the IRS. Robert Bakker, paleontologist |
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"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
m... In article , "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: Even an interview would be enough to eliminate certain candidates. Everyone knows people who say "I hate driving in rain / snow / at night / near big trucks / on winding roads." Goodbye. No license for you. Not ever. Those are the people who I would give a license to. The ones without enough sense to be cautious and fearful are the ones that end up killing people. Caution is one thing. Fear and tension are very different. They do not contribute to competent driving. Anyone who is observant and lives where is REALLY snows is fully aware of this truth. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote Even an interview would be enough to eliminate certain candidates. Everyone knows people who say "I hate driving in rain / snow / at night / near big trucks / on winding roads." Goodbye. No license for you. Not ever. As I get older, more and more I dislike driving in snow, especially at night. That does not mean I can't do it and have not done it. Should I have to turn in my license? |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote Even an interview would be enough to eliminate certain candidates. Everyone knows people who say "I hate driving in rain / snow / at night / near big trucks / on winding roads." Goodbye. No license for you. Not ever. As I get older, more and more I dislike driving in snow, especially at night. That does not mean I can't do it and have not done it. Should I have to turn in my license? Might be a good reason to issue conditional licenses at a certain age, just like we do for teenagers. Peripheral vision decreases with age, as does reaction time. Of course, we could also change the laws regarding use of cell phones while driving. First offense: Same as speeding in a construction zone. Big money, lots of points. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote Even an interview would be enough to eliminate certain candidates. Everyone knows people who say "I hate driving in rain / snow / at night / near big trucks / on winding roads." Goodbye. No license for you. Not ever. As I get older, more and more I dislike driving in snow, especially at night. That does not mean I can't do it and have not done it. Should I have to turn in my license? Might be a good reason to issue conditional licenses at a certain age, just like we do for teenagers. Peripheral vision decreases with age, as does reaction time. Of course, we could also change the laws regarding use of cell phones while driving. First offense: Same as speeding in a construction zone. Big money, lots of points. I believe awareness of surroundings & driving for conditions is the ultimate answer. And, proper knowledge of handling the vehicle for which they are operating. Unfortunately, many people believe they are good drivers, which is also a problem. Just as everyone has experience in their field, I feel I can speak from experience, & training I'm consistantly involved with. I hold every type of endorsement on a license, which is possible. Our area gets 105 avg snowfall a season, of which I'm part of the team to help clear our x-ways. Cell phones are a major problem, speeding in construction zones, well I do work in those, and they are a problem. Most people do not have any idea of how far the distance between vehicles should be, they think in "car lengths", which is incorrect. Failure to use turn indicators is also a problem, one should give their intention of direction instead of trying to zip around changing lanes. We just had a person hit a crash attenuator where a x-way seperates into 2 different routes. The person hit it at 65 m.p.h., never hit the brakes, the driver was texting. He was alive but disoriented, got out of his vehicle & stepped into traffic. We had to shut down the x-ways for the copter to land. He died in transit. Traveling through the state north of us last week, with a speed limit of 70. Three young men in a Dodge Durango pulling a small camper trailer, passed me. The trailer was all over the lanes. They attempted to pass a semi and change lanes without looking in the mirror, another one of these I "think" I'm past him. They caught the semi's fender, ended up down a hill upside down after rolling it several times. The semi jack knifed in front of me. I pulled over, fortunately everyone in all vehicles were ok. Every day I see accidents, which could have been avoided. Our cities & states are crying broke. I say there's a gold mine if they would just enforce the laws we already have on the books. We should be getting a lot of these drivers to change their bad habits by hitting them hard in the pocket book, b/4 they take someone's life. It appears to me, the police are being directed to do certain tasks, and leave these "minor" offenses go. These minor problems end up creating the big problems. |
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"Cojoes" wrote in message
... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote Even an interview would be enough to eliminate certain candidates. Everyone knows people who say "I hate driving in rain / snow / at night / near big trucks / on winding roads." Goodbye. No license for you. Not ever. As I get older, more and more I dislike driving in snow, especially at night. That does not mean I can't do it and have not done it. Should I have to turn in my license? Might be a good reason to issue conditional licenses at a certain age, just like we do for teenagers. Peripheral vision decreases with age, as does reaction time. Of course, we could also change the laws regarding use of cell phones while driving. First offense: Same as speeding in a construction zone. Big money, lots of points. I believe awareness of surroundings & driving for conditions is the ultimate answer. And, proper knowledge of handling the vehicle for which they are operating. Unfortunately, many people believe they are good drivers, which is also a problem. Just as everyone has experience in their field, I feel I can speak from experience, & training I'm consistantly involved with. I hold every type of endorsement on a license, which is possible. Our area gets 105 avg snowfall a season, of which I'm part of the team to help clear our x-ways. Cell phones are a major problem, speeding in construction zones, well I do work in those, and they are a problem. Most people do not have any idea of how far the distance between vehicles should be, they think in "car lengths", which is incorrect. Failure to use turn indicators is also a problem, one should give their intention of direction instead of trying to zip around changing lanes. We just had a person hit a crash attenuator where a x-way seperates into 2 different routes. The person hit it at 65 m.p.h., never hit the brakes, the driver was texting. He was alive but disoriented, got out of his vehicle & stepped into traffic. We had to shut down the x-ways for the copter to land. He died in transit. Traveling through the state north of us last week, with a speed limit of 70. Three young men in a Dodge Durango pulling a small camper trailer, passed me. The trailer was all over the lanes. They attempted to pass a semi and change lanes without looking in the mirror, another one of these I "think" I'm past him. They caught the semi's fender, ended up down a hill upside down after rolling it several times. The semi jack knifed in front of me. I pulled over, fortunately everyone in all vehicles were ok. Every day I see accidents, which could have been avoided. Our cities & states are crying broke. I say there's a gold mine if they would just enforce the laws we already have on the books. We should be getting a lot of these drivers to change their bad habits by hitting them hard in the pocket book, b/4 they take someone's life. It appears to me, the police are being directed to do certain tasks, and leave these "minor" offenses go. These minor problems end up creating the big problems. We have a local talk radio host who's generally useless, but a few years ago, he commented that he's made it a hobby to try and check out what type of people are the worst tailgaters - especially the kind who make you wonder if they're hooked to your trailer hitch. He said that based on his observations, 90% were young women. I started paying attention to this, and he's right. Nothing will be done about it, though. Around the holidays, the NY State Police like to get a spokesperson on TV to remind us that lots of people will be traveling, and we need to be extra super duper careful. One year, the spokesman said "Tailgating is especially dangerous, perhaps more so than speeding." I know lots of people who've gotten speeding tickets. I have NEVER met anyone who's been ticketed for tailgating. Never. Not a single person. It requires no laser or radar devices to detect tailgating. The police could balance the budgets of every municipality in which they operate if they'd simply enforce tailgating laws. Cripes - people will even tailgate police cars! They're begging to be ticketed. |
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On 8/20/2010 2:50 PM, J O E wrote:
My personal contact with LEO's has always found 99% of them to be business like ... and polite. Doesn't hurt to treat a cop like a human being, either. There ya go. I work as a registered nurse and I can't count the number of times I'm told in morning report that a particular patient or his/her family is "difficult". Then I go in there and have absolutely no trouble from either. When you sense that somebody dislikes you, you almost automatically dislike them in return. It's a defense mechanism and a pretty natural response. I've found the Golden Rule to be the one which eases my way through work the most. Cops are just people like everybody else and respond in pretty much the same way as everybody else does to getting attitude. I expect they get a lot of attitude. So what do you expect? Good manners and a friendly demeanor will get you out of trouble many times when the cop has some discretion in the matter. At the very least, it will never make the situation worse. Being nasty and an asshole in general will not serve you well. Jay |
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On 8/21/2010 3:25 PM, Jay Hanig wrote:
On 8/20/2010 2:50 PM, J O E wrote: My personal contact with LEO's has always found 99% of them to be business like ... and polite. Doesn't hurt to treat a cop like a human being, either. There ya go. I work as a registered nurse and I can't count the number of times I'm told in morning report that a particular patient or his/her family is "difficult". Then I go in there and have absolutely no trouble from either. When you sense that somebody dislikes you, you almost automatically dislike them in return. It's a defense mechanism and a pretty natural response. I've found the Golden Rule to be the one which eases my way through work the most. Cops are just people like everybody else and respond in pretty much the same way as everybody else does to getting attitude. I expect they get a lot of attitude. So what do you expect? Good manners and a friendly demeanor will get you out of trouble many times when the cop has some discretion in the matter. At the very least, it will never make the situation worse. Being nasty and an asshole in general will not serve you well. Jay It's all about strategy, I received a ticket for an expired tag while driving a borrowed vehicle. The city wanted $160.00 so I went to court but arrived using my walker. I wasn't faking my trouble getting up from the pew and the case was dismissed by a nice judge. TDD |
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:25:22 -0400, Jay Hanig
wrote: Good manners and a friendly demeanor will get you out of trouble many times when the cop has some discretion in the matter. At the very least, it will never make the situation worse. My first prison riot. Florida had boxing teams. We hosted "Belle Glade" the institution, the heavy weight was also named Belle Glade. Claimed he was "state raised" . I was on the rec yard when Belle Glade knocked our heavy weight out *cold* The Rec Coach called the bout as a knock out. When our boxer came around, he knocked out the staff rec coach. Rocks flying by my head I grabbed the big guy by the elbow. "Come with me." "**** you I ain't going nowhere!" Fine! Go to your cell. I'm bringing help." |
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On 8/21/2010 6:31 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:25:22 -0400, Jay wrote: Good manners and a friendly demeanor will get you out of trouble many times when the cop has some discretion in the matter. At the very least, it will never make the situation worse. My first prison riot. Florida had boxing teams. We hosted "Belle Glade" the institution, the heavy weight was also named Belle Glade. Claimed he was "state raised" . I was on the rec yard when Belle Glade knocked our heavy weight out *cold* The Rec Coach called the bout as a knock out. When our boxer came around, he knocked out the staff rec coach. Rocks flying by my head I grabbed the big guy by the elbow. "Come with me." "**** you I ain't going nowhere!" Fine! Go to your cell. I'm bringing help." Does this have a point? Jay |
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On Aug 21, 9:25*pm, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Cojoes" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message om... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote Even an interview would be enough to eliminate certain candidates. Everyone knows people who say "I hate driving in rain / snow / at night / near big trucks / on winding roads." Goodbye. No license for you. Not ever. As I get older, more and more I dislike driving in snow, especially at night. *That does not mean I can't do it and have not done it. *Should I have to turn in my license? Might be a good reason to issue conditional licenses at a certain age, just like we do for teenagers. Peripheral vision decreases with age, as does reaction time. Of course, we could also change the laws regarding use of cell phones while driving. First offense: Same as speeding in a construction zone. Big money, lots of points. I *believe awareness of surroundings & driving for conditions is the ultimate answer. And, proper knowledge of handling the vehicle for which they are operating. Unfortunately, many people believe they are good drivers, which is also a problem. Just as everyone has experience in their field, I feel I can speak from experience, & training I'm consistantly involved with. I hold every type of endorsement on a license, which is possible. Our area gets 105 avg snowfall a season, of which I'm part of the team to help clear our x-ways. Cell phones are a major problem, speeding in construction zones, well I do work in those, and they are a problem. Most people do not have any idea of how far the distance between vehicles should be, they think in "car lengths", which is incorrect. Failure to use turn indicators is also a problem, one should give their intention of direction instead of trying to zip around changing lanes. We just had a person hit a crash attenuator where a x-way seperates into 2 different routes. The person hit it at 65 m.p.h., never hit the brakes, the driver was texting. He was alive but disoriented, got out of his vehicle & stepped into traffic. We had to shut down the x-ways for the copter to land. He died in transit. Traveling through the state north of us last week, with a speed limit of 70. Three young men in a Dodge Durango pulling a small camper trailer, passed me. The trailer was all over the lanes. They attempted to pass a semi and change lanes without looking in the mirror, another one of these I "think" I'm past him. They caught the semi's fender, ended up down a hill upside down after rolling it several times. The semi jack knifed in front of me. I pulled over, fortunately everyone in all vehicles were ok. Every day I see accidents, which could have been avoided. Our cities & states are crying broke. I say there's a gold mine if they would just enforce the laws we already have on the books. We should be getting a lot of these drivers to change their bad habits by hitting them hard in the pocket book, b/4 they take someone's life. It appears to me, the police are being directed to do certain tasks, and leave these "minor" offenses go. These minor problems end up creating the big problems. We have a local talk radio host who's generally useless, but a few years ago, he commented that he's made it a hobby to try and check out what type of people are the worst tailgaters - especially the kind who make you wonder if they're hooked to your trailer hitch. He said that based on his observations, 90% were young women. I started paying attention to this, and he's right. Nothing will be done about it, though. Around the holidays, the NY State Police like to get a spokesperson on TV to remind us that lots of people will be traveling, and we need to be extra super duper careful. One year, the spokesman said "Tailgating is especially dangerous, perhaps more so than speeding." I know lots of people who've gotten speeding tickets. I have NEVER met anyone who's been ticketed for tailgating. Never. Not a single person. It requires no laser or radar devices to detect tailgating. The police could balance the budgets of every municipality in which they operate if they'd simply enforce tailgating laws. Cripes - people will even tailgate police cars! They're begging to be ticketed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - People get prosecuted in the UK for tailgating. There are special cameras on the motorways detect this. And they can read the numberplate & determine if they have tax & insurance. They can issue a fine, no human being involved. You can appeal but most don't. Big brother! |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message m... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: My observation is that cops aren't smart enough to realize they're acting EXACTLY like cops did in the Soviet Union, under a regime which true Americans were supposed to abhor. As to your misunderstanding of the law, you do not have the right to remain completely silent. In most jurisdictions, it is a crime to fail to identify yourself. Should you insist on total silence, the officer may have no choice but to take you somewhere where you CAN be identified. The photo-equipped license I take out of my wallet is more than sufficient to identify me. Yes it is - you are correct. I took your "complete silence" stance as a refusal to cooperate in any fashion. My blunder. I hope, however, that you can now see that a cop's questions are not designed to trap you into saying "I'm delivering a hundred pounds of Marijuana" but, instead, he's trying to discover if you have some legitimate reason for the infraction. From his viewpoint - and yours - it's better to deal with an exigent or sympathetic circumstance here, rather than waste his and the court's time later. |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"That information is provided strictly on a need-to-know basis." If it was good enough for William Casey to use with reporters, it's good enough for us to use with cops. You're correct. In spite of what newspapers often report, you can't be arrested for "Suspicion of felonious mopery (exposing yourself to a blind person)" inasmuch as it is not an offense to be suspicious. The cop can, and probably will, however, arrest you for felony possession of Marijuana with intent to distribute. Again, it is not prudent to get into a ****ing match on the side of the road. Let me show you how changing ONE LETTER in a report can send someone to prison for a very long time. "While on routine patrol in a neighborhood known for harboring stolen vehicles, my partner and I saw suspect Joe Blow sitting on the above parked vehicle, the vehicle subsequently determined to be stolen..." Change "ON the above vehicle" in the above report to "IN the above vehicle" (a small typographical error) and old Joe Blow is circling the drain, the medicine man is waving chicken claws over his head. |
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RicodJour wrote in
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 06:50:15 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote: [*] I got ticketed for an accident almost 32 years ago (before my son was born). I went to court because the dickhead cop was, well, a dickhead. He showed what a dickhead he was by reaching for his gun (it was his turn to be bailiff that night) every time the judge had to remind people that they were in a court room. The judge noticed. ;-) Basic rule drummed into cadets' heads at the academy: "Give the traffic violator a lecture or a citation. Never both." Doing both ****es off the citizen and he almost always makes a stink in court. Rightfully so. |
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Tegger wrote:
RicodJour wrote in : Don't take this the wrong way, but what the **** is the matter with you? Do you honestly have nothing better to do with your time then post this junk? It's just sad. I think HeyBub comes up with some of the best bizarrities (is that even a word?) I've ever read. Very entertaining. Thank you. Remind me to tell you about one of my customers single-handedly delaying the invasion of Italy for two weeks. Oh, I'll tell you anyway. My customer, we'll call him David because that was his name, was an Army Captain seconded to the OSS and in charge of interrogating Axis officer prisoners in North Africa. Bummer job, he said, but he was the only one they could find that spoke German, Italian, Polish, and a bevy of other languages. Now comes General Mark Clark, readying his forces for the invasion at Anzio. General Clark, it seems, had adopted a mongrel dog and the dog was the problem. It seems as if the Army had a rule that an animal could not be taken across an international frontier without first having been vaccinated for rabies. What to do? The Army searched its 401 files and discovered that David was the only swinging dick in the whole ETO that knew anything about rabies, having written a thesis paper on it at Columbia Medical School. Zip! They snatched him up from the POW camp in North Africa and plopped him down in Sicily with orders to vaccinate this mutt. "With what?" David asked. "Make the serum from scratch" he was told. Back then, David said, you took the pulverized the brain of a rabid animal and injected it into a healthy animal, when that second animal developed symptoms of rabies, you repeated the process ("attenuating the serum") until the injected animal doesn't die. Then you use that animal's brain as the vaccine. All this took about two weeks, and as soon as General Clark's dog was vaccinated, his Fifth Army set sail for Salerno. After hearing this story, I said: "Wait a minute. I can believe the Army has such a rule on vaccinations, but Mark Clark had FOUR STARS on his friggin' shoulder. What if he violated the rule? The Germans would be, like, upset? Make Clark sit in the corner and feel shame?" David said he wasn't privy to the negotiations as he was sent back to North Africa straight away. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I have NEVER met anyone who's been ticketed for tailgating. Never. Not a single person. I did. I slammed on the brakes for a tailgater once, then punched it to avoid being rear-ended. He slammed on his brakes, and the guy behind him creamed him. That guy got a ticket. And, the guy who was tailgating me got a nice friendly lesson in the dangers of tailgating. Unfortunately for him, he was on his first day of vacation with his girlfriend, and it was her car. The damage was pretty substantial. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote: "Cojoes" wrote 75 in a 25, and the bubble headed LEO let you go? You're an absolute idiot, as well as your LEO's. Not that hard to do. We have a road near us that has a speed limit of 45 in most places and rightly so. Where you get past all the homes and buildings, nothing but fields or woods on either side, and start down a long hill it is very easy to coast up to 70 or so and the speed limit drops to 25 for no sensible reason that I've been able to figure out. I've never seen anyone do less than 50 through there. It's illegal, at least in this state, to post a speed limit that is lower than what a reasonable, average person would drive on that road, unless there are mitigating circumstances such as a school playground. Simply put, drivers establish the limit by their own behavior. |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
... zzzzzzzzzz wrote: [*] I got ticketed for an accident almost 32 years ago (before my son was born). I went to court because the dickhead cop was, well, a dickhead. He showed what a dickhead he was by reaching for his gun (it was his turn to be bailiff that night) every time the judge had to remind people that they were in a court room. The judge noticed. ;-) Basic rule drummed into cadets' heads at the academy: "Give the traffic violator a lecture or a citation. Never both." Doing both ****es off the citizen and he almost always makes a stink in court. That's true (the stink), and sometimes, it's REALLY embarrassing for the cop. A few years back, my son (age 19 at the time) was in a rented cabin at a NY state park with a couple of friends. Middle of February, Sunday night 11:00 PM, and it was 7 degrees Fahrenheit. The kind of night when you can almost hear the trees shivering. None of the other cabins were occupied. My son decided he didn't want to make the 5 minute walk to the bathroom building, so he went out behind the cabin and took a leak. He was immediately lit up by the search light on a cop car. The cop lectured him and cited him for disorderly conduct. (See actual text of NY law below). As far as anyone in the family can remember, nobody's ever won an argument with my son, and he's fully aware of that. Since the court appearance was just 10 minutes from college, he decided to kick the cop's butt in court. His first appearance was a request by the court to roll over and either pay the fine or plead to a lesser offense. My son refused and said he wanted an actual trial. The judge said "Young man, we'll need to get an assistant district attorney for that. Are you sure you want to do this?" hahahaha Wrong kid. I'll stop here for the moment. Can anyone guess how my son won the case? He did not have a lawyer present. Below is the full text of the law in question. No other guesses, maybes or yeah-buts enter into this discussion. Section 240.20 Disorderly conduct A person is guilty of disorderly conduct when, with intent to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or recklessly creating a risk thereof: 1. He engages in fighting or in violent, tumultuous or threatening behavior; or 2. He makes unreasonable noise; or 3. In a public place, he uses abusive or obscene language, or makes an obscene gesture; or 4. Without lawful authority, he disturbs any lawful assembly or meeting of persons; or 5. He obstructs vehicular or pedestrian traffic; or 6. He congregates with other persons in a public place and refuses to comply with a lawful order of the police to disperse; or 7. He creates a hazardous or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose. Disorderly conduct is a violation. |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
m... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: "HeyBub" wrote in message m... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: My observation is that cops aren't smart enough to realize they're acting EXACTLY like cops did in the Soviet Union, under a regime which true Americans were supposed to abhor. As to your misunderstanding of the law, you do not have the right to remain completely silent. In most jurisdictions, it is a crime to fail to identify yourself. Should you insist on total silence, the officer may have no choice but to take you somewhere where you CAN be identified. The photo-equipped license I take out of my wallet is more than sufficient to identify me. Yes it is - you are correct. I took your "complete silence" stance as a refusal to cooperate in any fashion. My blunder. I hope, however, that you can now see that a cop's questions are not designed to trap you into saying "I'm delivering a hundred pounds of Marijuana" but, instead, he's trying to discover if you have some legitimate reason for the infraction. From his viewpoint - and yours - it's better to deal with an exigent or sympathetic circumstance here, rather than waste his and the court's time later. I want to hear the cop explain whatever probable cause he had to pull me over. That's what I pay him for. Any other conversation is a waste of my time and his, and I don't like my employees wasting time. |
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Smitty Two wrote:
In article , "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I have NEVER met anyone who's been ticketed for tailgating. Never. Not a single person. I did. I slammed on the brakes for a tailgater once, then punched it to avoid being rear-ended. He slammed on his brakes, and the guy behind him creamed him. That guy got a ticket. And, the guy who was tailgating me got a nice friendly lesson in the dangers of tailgating. Unfortunately for him, he was on his first day of vacation with his girlfriend, and it was her car. The damage was pretty substantial. Had a tail-gater snuggle up to our unmarked police car. Speed up, slow down, hit him with the spotlight. Couldn't get him off. Finally the road widened and he putt-putted around us. My partner, who was driving, hit the red lights in the grill and pulled the goblin to the side of the road. "Get outta the ****in' truck!" said my partner in what I thought was a perfectly reasonable tone. "Get back here" my partner continued. "Don't you know you could kill someone, ridin' on their tail like that?" asked my partner of the miscreant and everybody within two blocks. I'll never forget the reasoned response: "Uh, I didn't know you was the fuzz. I thought you was just a couple ordinary turds." I could see my partner weighing his choices: either draw the sumbitch in chalk on the side of the road or take him to jail. Since we didn't HAVE any chalk... |
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
I hope, however, that you can now see that a cop's questions are not designed to trap you into saying "I'm delivering a hundred pounds of Marijuana" but, instead, he's trying to discover if you have some legitimate reason for the infraction. From his viewpoint - and yours - it's better to deal with an exigent or sympathetic circumstance here, rather than waste his and the court's time later. I want to hear the cop explain whatever probable cause he had to pull me over. That's what I pay him for. Any other conversation is a waste of my time and his, and I don't like my employees wasting time. And I want a unicorn. Until your legislature passes a law that mandates the cop give a reason for a stop, there is no good that can come from him volunteering anything. So he won't. But the cop DOES have a reason, but he doesn't intend to share it with you. If he DOES give a reason, it's usually fictitious in order to achieve some other purpose. Some of his actual reasons might include: * Your car matches (roughly) the description of a get-away vehicle in a recent nastiness. * He has to make ten "citizen contacts" per shift. You're it. * You look like a tosch-hog that needs to be hassled for daring to drive through his town. The citizens of his community complain loudly when a hippie is spotted at the local Stop-And-Rob. His job is keep you - and assorted gypsies - on the move. * You may have spilled coffee in your lap, but your swerving and yelling leads the cop to think you may be a dope-smoking hippie. * He had a fight with his wife before his shift began and **** rolls downhill. * He has to give out a "Safe Driver" coupon as part of the department's community outreach effort. The coupon will be good for a free Whopper Burger. |
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"HeyBub" wrote: * He has to give out a "Safe Driver" coupon as part of the department's community outreach effort. The coupon will be good for a free Whopper Burger. I never found a street cop that actually thought this was a good idea. When I was still doing fire investigations, I was out riding one night with the Sheriff's Lt assigned as our liason (also the local bomb tech, which leads to dozens of other stories). He decided to give a citizen driving right at the speed limit and slowing down at stop lights, etc. one of the safe driving coupons. We turned on the lights and he took off at full speed. The chase was on. As we radioed in the information on the chase, the dispatcher got the plate back to us that the owner was wanted on a number of warrants. Which probably explains the ultra safe driving. Anyway we got, the guy eventually. He was being cuffed and stuffed and the litany of new and old charges was being read to him. L-T leaned in told him: "Plus you aren't gonna get the free Whopper for safe driving." -- I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator and name it after the IRS. Robert Bakker, paleontologist |
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"HeyBub" wrote: Smitty Two wrote: In article , "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: I have NEVER met anyone who's been ticketed for tailgating. Never. Not a single person. I did. I slammed on the brakes for a tailgater once, then punched it to avoid being rear-ended. He slammed on his brakes, and the guy behind him creamed him. That guy got a ticket. And, the guy who was tailgating me got a nice friendly lesson in the dangers of tailgating. Unfortunately for him, he was on his first day of vacation with his girlfriend, and it was her car. The damage was pretty substantial. Had a tail-gater snuggle up to our unmarked police car. Speed up, slow down, hit him with the spotlight. Couldn't get him off. Finally the road widened and he putt-putted around us. My partner, who was driving, hit the red lights in the grill and pulled the goblin to the side of the road. "Get outta the ****in' truck!" said my partner in what I thought was a perfectly reasonable tone. "Get back here" my partner continued. "Don't you know you could kill someone, ridin' on their tail like that?" asked my partner of the miscreant and everybody within two blocks. I'll never forget the reasoned response: "Uh, I didn't know you was the fuzz. I thought you was just a couple ordinary turds." I could see my partner weighing his choices: either draw the sumbitch in chalk on the side of the road or take him to jail. Since we didn't HAVE any chalk... Interesting story. Just the opposite happened to me. I had a tailgater dogging me late at night on a lightly traveled highway. I drove the speed limit, he stayed on my ass. I slowed down to 5 under, he didn't pass. I sped up to 5 over, he stayed with me. I slowed to 30 mph, he didn't pass. So I punched it, and was doing 80 by the time he could catch me and hit the red lights. He let me go when I explained that if I'd known he was a cop, I'd not have done that. I just said I was getting worried that he was a bad guy. |
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Smitty Two wrote:
Had a tail-gater snuggle up to our unmarked police car. Speed up, slow down, hit him with the spotlight. Couldn't get him off. Finally the road widened and he putt-putted around us. My partner, who was driving, hit the red lights in the grill and pulled the goblin to the side of the road. "Get outta the ****in' truck!" said my partner in what I thought was a perfectly reasonable tone. "Get back here" my partner continued. "Don't you know you could kill someone, ridin' on their tail like that?" asked my partner of the miscreant and everybody within two blocks. I'll never forget the reasoned response: "Uh, I didn't know you was the fuzz. I thought you was just a couple ordinary turds." I could see my partner weighing his choices: either draw the sumbitch in chalk on the side of the road or take him to jail. Since we didn't HAVE any chalk... Interesting story. Just the opposite happened to me. I had a tailgater dogging me late at night on a lightly traveled highway. I drove the speed limit, he stayed on my ass. I slowed down to 5 under, he didn't pass. I sped up to 5 over, he stayed with me. I slowed to 30 mph, he didn't pass. So I punched it, and was doing 80 by the time he could catch me and hit the red lights. He let me go when I explained that if I'd known he was a cop, I'd not have done that. I just said I was getting worried that he was a bad guy. And had you said: "I didn't know you was the fuzz, I thought you was just an ordinary turd..."? |
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Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , "HeyBub" wrote: * He has to give out a "Safe Driver" coupon as part of the department's community outreach effort. The coupon will be good for a free Whopper Burger. I never found a street cop that actually thought this was a good idea. When I was still doing fire investigations, I was out riding one night with the Sheriff's Lt assigned as our liason (also the local bomb tech, which leads to dozens of other stories). He decided to give a citizen driving right at the speed limit and slowing down at stop lights, etc. one of the safe driving coupons. We turned on the lights and he took off at full speed. The chase was on. As we radioed in the information on the chase, the dispatcher got the plate back to us that the owner was wanted on a number of warrants. Which probably explains the ultra safe driving. Anyway we got, the guy eventually. He was being cuffed and stuffed and the litany of new and old charges was being read to him. L-T leaned in told him: "Plus you aren't gonna get the free Whopper for safe driving." Heh! That could be another reason for a random stop: Turn on the bubble-gum machine and see who scoots. Of course there would be profiling involved, so the idea is probably a non-starter. |
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I have travel in many different places and I find that state police seems to
be reasonable OK, but the local guys in must places are not by any standard. In my million miles on the road I had few tickets two of them was not call for. One of them was in Parsippany/Troy Hills in NJ not only that I did not deserve to be summons but these scum bag did not show up in court three times and the SOB judge refused to throw the tick but keep rescheduling and prosecutor had to go to call this scum bag on radio to get his ass to court. This cop was out of his uniform stopping everybody, no radio no gun no officer hat privet car and the ticket I got was because my left side tires was not completely in lane of strait away when I went through a light / intersection which he could not see from where he was, but this filthy SOB of judge did gave have decided to make me pay fine that was it. Judge Anthony J. Frese "HeyBub" wrote in message ... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: I hope, however, that you can now see that a cop's questions are not designed to trap you into saying "I'm delivering a hundred pounds of Marijuana" but, instead, he's trying to discover if you have some legitimate reason for the infraction. From his viewpoint - and yours - it's better to deal with an exigent or sympathetic circumstance here, rather than waste his and the court's time later. I want to hear the cop explain whatever probable cause he had to pull me over. That's what I pay him for. Any other conversation is a waste of my time and his, and I don't like my employees wasting time. And I want a unicorn. Until your legislature passes a law that mandates the cop give a reason for a stop, there is no good that can come from him volunteering anything. So he won't. But the cop DOES have a reason, but he doesn't intend to share it with you. If he DOES give a reason, it's usually fictitious in order to achieve some other purpose. Some of his actual reasons might include: * Your car matches (roughly) the description of a get-away vehicle in a recent nastiness. * He has to make ten "citizen contacts" per shift. You're it. * You look like a tosch-hog that needs to be hassled for daring to drive through his town. The citizens of his community complain loudly when a hippie is spotted at the local Stop-And-Rob. His job is keep you - and assorted gypsies - on the move. * You may have spilled coffee in your lap, but your swerving and yelling leads the cop to think you may be a dope-smoking hippie. * He had a fight with his wife before his shift began and **** rolls downhill. * He has to give out a "Safe Driver" coupon as part of the department's community outreach effort. The coupon will be good for a free Whopper Burger. |
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... I have travel in many different places and I find that state police seems to be reasonable OK, but the local guys in must places are not by any standard. In my million miles on the road I had few tickets two of them was not call for. One of them was in Parsippany/Troy Hills in NJ not only that I did not deserve to be summons but these scum bag did not show up in court three times and the SOB judge refused to throw the tick but keep rescheduling and prosecutor had to go to call this scum bag on radio to get his ass to court. This cop was out of his uniform stopping everybody, no radio no gun no officer hat privet car and the ticket I got was because my left side tires was not completely in lane of strait away when I went through a light / intersection which he could not see from where he was, but this filthy SOB of judge did gave have decided to make me pay fine that was it. Judge Anthony J. Frese Did you ever graduate from high school, or even 6th grade? |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Grumpy" wrote in message ... I have travel in many different places and I find that state police seems to be reasonable OK, but the local guys in must places are not by any standard. In my million miles on the road I had few tickets two of them was not call for. One of them was in Parsippany/Troy Hills in NJ not only that I did not deserve to be summons but these scum bag did not show up in court three times and the SOB judge refused to throw the tick but keep rescheduling and prosecutor had to go to call this scum bag on radio to get his ass to court. This cop was out of his uniform stopping everybody, no radio no gun no officer hat privet car and the ticket I got was because my left side tires was not completely in lane of strait away when I went through a light / intersection which he could not see from where he was, but this filthy SOB of judge did gave have decided to make me pay fine that was it. Judge Anthony J. Frese Did you ever graduate from high school, or even 6th grade? "NO" I was born in Europe and I don't have any English schooling And I was born as USA citizen when I came to this "my country" I came here with USA passport and I work full time since I was 16 years old and so far I have work for my living 56 years, so I do not need critics from snob nosed telling me that my English is poor I know that. My country have giving me a "0" of support but I have to support current people that are coming or been broth to this country by our Government for one reason or the other, yes my English is not great but it is better then the officials that run this/ my country so if you don't like it that is just to bad |
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... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Grumpy" wrote in message ... I have travel in many different places and I find that state police seems to be reasonable OK, but the local guys in must places are not by any standard. In my million miles on the road I had few tickets two of them was not call for. One of them was in Parsippany/Troy Hills in NJ not only that I did not deserve to be summons but these scum bag did not show up in court three times and the SOB judge refused to throw the tick but keep rescheduling and prosecutor had to go to call this scum bag on radio to get his ass to court. This cop was out of his uniform stopping everybody, no radio no gun no officer hat privet car and the ticket I got was because my left side tires was not completely in lane of strait away when I went through a light / intersection which he could not see from where he was, but this filthy SOB of judge did gave have decided to make me pay fine that was it. Judge Anthony J. Frese Did you ever graduate from high school, or even 6th grade? "NO" I was born in Europe and I don't have any English schooling And I was born as USA citizen when I came to this "my country" I came here with USA passport and I work full time since I was 16 years old and so far I have work for my living 56 years, so I do not need critics from snob nosed telling me that my English is poor I know that. My country have giving me a "0" of support but I have to support current people that are coming or been broth to this country by our Government for one reason or the other, yes my English is not great but it is better then the officials that run this/ my country so if you don't like it that is just to bad I apologize for my response. |
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Grumpy" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Grumpy" wrote in message ... I have travel in many different places and I find that state police seems to be reasonable OK, but the local guys in must places are not by any standard. In my million miles on the road I had few tickets two of them was not call for. One of them was in Parsippany/Troy Hills in NJ not only that I did not deserve to be summons but these scum bag did not show up in court three times and the SOB judge refused to throw the tick but keep rescheduling and prosecutor had to go to call this scum bag on radio to get his ass to court. This cop was out of his uniform stopping everybody, no radio no gun no officer hat privet car and the ticket I got was because my left side tires was not completely in lane of strait away when I went through a light / intersection which he could not see from where he was, but this filthy SOB of judge did gave have decided to make me pay fine that was it. Judge Anthony J. Frese Did you ever graduate from high school, or even 6th grade? "NO" I was born in Europe and I don't have any English schooling And I was born as USA citizen when I came to this "my country" I came here with USA passport and I work full time since I was 16 years old and so far I have work for my living 56 years, so I do not need critics from snob nosed telling me that my English is poor I know that. My country have giving me a "0" of support but I have to support current people that are coming or been broth to this country by our Government for one reason or the other, yes my English is not great but it is better then the officials that run this/ my country so if you don't like it that is just to bad I apologize for my response. No problem apology accepted |
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