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Jim Elbrecht June 10th 10 07:37 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
Every once in a while on a job I'll have a close call that just for
the grace of god doesn't take off a digit or blind me. [not often,
mind you, but probably a 1/2 dozen times in the last 50 years.]

This poor ******* wasn't that lucky-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100610/...ped_in_furnace

A friend came by in a few days so he 'only' lost an arm- but whatever
he did could have turned fatal.

I can't believe all the ignorant putzes who haven't lived long enough
[or done enough] to know that **** happens & want to jump all over
this guy while he's down.

Jim

Existential Angst June 10th 10 07:57 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
...
Every once in a while on a job I'll have a close call that just for
the grace of god doesn't take off a digit or blind me. [not often,
mind you, but probably a 1/2 dozen times in the last 50 years.]

This poor ******* wasn't that lucky-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100610/...ped_in_furnace

A friend came by in a few days so he 'only' lost an arm- but whatever
he did could have turned fatal.

I can't believe all the ignorant putzes who haven't lived long enough
[or done enough] to know that **** happens & want to jump all over
this guy while he's down.


The article gave no clue as to HOW his arm got that stuck.
THAT seems really really odd.

The amputation suggests the arm was trapped with such force that circulation
was cut off, with gangrene.
I used to work on boilers, and of course fiddle with my own furnace, and I
can't visualize how something like that could happen, other than perhaps a
big cast iron boiler falling over and pinning someone -- which apparently
didn't happen here.

Really tough break.
--
EA



Jim




[email protected] June 10th 10 09:56 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
Be careful, it happens, but that's what makes you lazy or sloppy or
arrogant until one day, kaboom, you pay for it.

I used to take an afternoon commuter rail, but between two relatively
residential and suburban stops. I didn't buy a ticket because the
train was usually so crowded, they didn't ask for it. Until one day, I
had a real excuse. Cops had cornered two racoons in trash pails and we
couldn't buy tickets. Murphy's Law being what it is, that was when one
long haired, pony tailed chap collecting tickets didn't buy my story
and made me pay the on-train-purchase surcharge. I fugured I had
already gotten it back from all the times I hadn't paid.


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LSMFT June 10th 10 11:14 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
Jim Elbrecht wrote:
Every once in a while on a job I'll have a close call that just for
the grace of god doesn't take off a digit or blind me. [not often,
mind you, but probably a 1/2 dozen times in the last 50 years.]

This poor ******* wasn't that lucky-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100610/...ped_in_furnace

A friend came by in a few days so he 'only' lost an arm- but whatever
he did could have turned fatal.

I can't believe all the ignorant putzes who haven't lived long enough
[or done enough] to know that **** happens& want to jump all over
this guy while he's down.

Jim


I have had many many close calls in my life but I don't call it blind
luck. I pay attention to what could happen and react before it happens.
Maybe it IS luck, I don't know. Been around farms, factory machinery and
high voltage all my life.

--
LSMFT

I haven't spoken to my wife in 18 months.
I don't like to interrupt her.

[email protected] June 11th 10 12:56 AM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
After 9/11 I started calling friends I knew who worked at WTC. THe
twenty prior years I spent three hours a week going through WTC,
having worked nearby in one way or another. Many had moved to other
jobs. On chap moved within the same firm the day before. One friend's
borther in law walked out fifteen minutes before the planes hit. One
friend's firm had leased temp space during renovations, which
fortunately ended early. But when I saw the victim list, I saw a name
I hadn't expected, the husband of the lady who took my folks to the
hospital when I was born. Instead of my going to thirty funerals, my
entire family went to one. In the end those below the planes mostly
survived, and those above didn't. It was the most successful massive
rescue op in USA history. How do you explain that luck to those who
didn't make it. One fireman who has lived three blocks from ma all but
three years of my life took a well deserved (but ultimately very
short) day off that day, when most of his colleagues died. Explain
that? It doesn't say MY will be done. It says THY will be done. I was
in my thirties before those words sunk in.

- = -
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http://www.panix.com/~vjp2/vasos.htm http://www.facebook.com/vasjpan2
---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}---
[Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy obstructive guards]
[Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Phooey on GUI: Windows for subprime Bimbos]




David Nebenzahl June 11th 10 01:33 AM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
On 6/10/2010 4:56 PM spake thus:

[...] It doesn't say MY will be done. It says THY will be done. I was
in my thirties before those words sunk in.


Careful; you're skating awful close to Islamic predeterminism there ...


--
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with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (
http://antiwar.com)

aemeijers June 11th 10 02:18 AM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
LSMFT wrote:
Jim Elbrecht wrote:
Every once in a while on a job I'll have a close call that just for
the grace of god doesn't take off a digit or blind me. [not often,
mind you, but probably a 1/2 dozen times in the last 50 years.]

This poor ******* wasn't that lucky-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100610/...ped_in_furnace

A friend came by in a few days so he 'only' lost an arm- but whatever
he did could have turned fatal.

I can't believe all the ignorant putzes who haven't lived long enough
[or done enough] to know that **** happens& want to jump all over
this guy while he's down.

Jim


I have had many many close calls in my life but I don't call it blind
luck. I pay attention to what could happen and react before it happens.
Maybe it IS luck, I don't know. Been around farms, factory machinery and
high voltage all my life.


As much of a klutz as I am, it is only blind luck that I still have all
my extremities and both eyes. My old man was a hardass on safety
precautions, so I guess some of it stuck. And with age comes wisdom- so
as my senses and physical abilities start their downhill slide, I take
even more time planning every move before I make it, and I'm a lot
quicker to knock off when I am tired or ****ed off. (Both of those lead
to more oopsies and injuries.) Anything taller than one story, I hire it
out now. I don't heal up near as quick as I did in my younger years, and
I hate pain, so I go out of my way to avoid it.

--
aem sends...

Ashton Crusher[_2_] June 11th 10 05:55 AM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:37:11 -0400, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:

Every once in a while on a job I'll have a close call that just for
the grace of god doesn't take off a digit or blind me. [not often,
mind you, but probably a 1/2 dozen times in the last 50 years.]

This poor ******* wasn't that lucky-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100610/...ped_in_furnace

A friend came by in a few days so he 'only' lost an arm- but whatever
he did could have turned fatal.

I can't believe all the ignorant putzes who haven't lived long enough
[or done enough] to know that **** happens & want to jump all over
this guy while he's down.

Jim



When I used to fly small aircraft I had several close calls due to
high winds, hot weather and storms. One time a down draft slammed us
back down onto the runway after we had lifted off and when we made it
off the second time we cleared the tall saguaro cactus at the end of
the runway by mere inches/feet. There were times we didn't see power
lines till after we landed, hot weather almost kept us from clearing
trees, high winds prevented us from landing at any airports for 100
mile radius and when we did land we couldn't steer the plane on the
ground the wind was so high, one time the flaps failed to retract on
takeoff (hot weather).

FatterDumber& Happier Moe June 11th 10 12:42 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
Jim Elbrecht wrote:
Every once in a while on a job I'll have a close call that just for
the grace of god doesn't take off a digit or blind me. [not often,
mind you, but probably a 1/2 dozen times in the last 50 years.]

This poor ******* wasn't that lucky-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100610/...ped_in_furnace

A friend came by in a few days so he 'only' lost an arm- but whatever
he did could have turned fatal.

I can't believe all the ignorant putzes who haven't lived long enough
[or done enough] to know that **** happens & want to jump all over
this guy while he's down.

Jim


Oh yes,
Part time job in college I worked at a lumber yard, 13 inch Delta
radial saw, I must have cut 15 miles of all kinds of wood on that saw.
I was careful and respected the thing, one kid wasn't so lucky and we
nailed what was left of his glove above the saw as a safety reminder.
Closest I came to losing a finger was with a chain saw, cut my left
ring finger to the bone but didn't touch the other fingers? And once I
got my fingers in the cable while adjusting a double wide garage door,
like the furnace guy I was alone and the door was winning the contest, I
finally had to jerk my hand out and Ouch! damn that hurt, lost some skin
but the fingers stay attached. Had to go to an ophthalmologist once to
get a metal shaving removed. That's when I learned MD's don't do
"extractions" and optometrist don't do "extractions" I had to find an
ophthalmologist covered by my insurance to do that little job.
I think the safety posters about glass eyes and showing fingers that
had been pulled off in the high school shop class have a lot to do with
me still having all my fingers and both eyes.

[email protected][_2_] June 11th 10 02:14 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
FatterDumber& Happier Moe wrote:
Jim Elbrecht wrote:
Every once in a while on a job I'll have a close call that just for
the grace of god doesn't take off a digit or blind me. [not often,
mind you, but probably a 1/2 dozen times in the last 50 years.]

This poor ******* wasn't that lucky-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100610/...ped_in_furnace

A friend came by in a few days so he 'only' lost an arm- but whatever
he did could have turned fatal.

I can't believe all the ignorant putzes who haven't lived long enough
[or done enough] to know that **** happens & want to jump all over
this guy while he's down.

Jim


Oh yes,
Part time job in college I worked at a lumber yard, 13 inch Delta
radial saw, I must have cut 15 miles of all kinds of wood on that saw. I
was careful and respected the thing, one kid wasn't so lucky and we
nailed what was left of his glove above the saw as a safety reminder.
Closest I came to losing a finger was with a chain saw, cut my left
ring finger to the bone but didn't touch the other fingers? And once I
got my fingers in the cable while adjusting a double wide garage door,
like the furnace guy I was alone and the door was winning the contest, I
finally had to jerk my hand out and Ouch! damn that hurt, lost some skin
but the fingers stay attached. Had to go to an ophthalmologist once to
get a metal shaving removed. That's when I learned MD's don't do
"extractions" and optometrist don't do "extractions" I had to find an
ophthalmologist covered by my insurance to do that little job.
I think the safety posters about glass eyes and showing fingers that
had been pulled off in the high school shop class have a lot to do with
me still having all my fingers and both eyes.


I worked part of my nursing career as an occupational nurse. Each
employer had one department I never wanted to hear from :o) If a
supervisor brought in a guy who couldn't talk, I knew it was a
polisher...polishing heavy stainless steel parts on big wheel, wheel
grabs the part and returns it at 90 mph below the belt :o)

One of my regulars, whom I usually had to treat for embedded steel
slivers, came with his supv. one day. He had forgotten to remove an
Allen wrench from the lathe before turning it on...it spun, hung up
briefly, and shot the Allen wrench at his eyes. Broke one or both
lenses, got glass in his eyes. I could see a tiny amount of blood
coming out of one eye, so shipped him out in a hurry. He had a tiny
little scratch inside his lower lid, NO damage to either eye.

One of my informal studies regarded employees whose cologne was heavier
after lunch...they drank on the job, covered up with cologne. Not great
for machinists, but at least when they got hurt it, perhaps, didn't hurt
as much :o)

[email protected] June 11th 10 07:44 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:42:57 -0500, FatterDumber& Happier Moe
wrote:

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
Every once in a while on a job I'll have a close call that just for
the grace of god doesn't take off a digit or blind me. [not often,
mind you, but probably a 1/2 dozen times in the last 50 years.]

This poor ******* wasn't that lucky-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100610/...ped_in_furnace

A friend came by in a few days so he 'only' lost an arm- but whatever
he did could have turned fatal.

I can't believe all the ignorant putzes who haven't lived long enough
[or done enough] to know that **** happens & want to jump all over
this guy while he's down.

Jim


Oh yes,
Part time job in college I worked at a lumber yard, 13 inch Delta
radial saw, I must have cut 15 miles of all kinds of wood on that saw.
I was careful and respected the thing, one kid wasn't so lucky and we
nailed what was left of his glove above the saw as a safety reminder.
Closest I came to losing a finger was with a chain saw, cut my left
ring finger to the bone but didn't touch the other fingers? And once I
got my fingers in the cable while adjusting a double wide garage door,
like the furnace guy I was alone and the door was winning the contest, I
finally had to jerk my hand out and Ouch! damn that hurt, lost some skin
but the fingers stay attached. Had to go to an ophthalmologist once to
get a metal shaving removed. That's when I learned MD's don't do
"extractions" and optometrist don't do "extractions" I had to find an
ophthalmologist covered by my insurance to do that little job.
I think the safety posters about glass eyes and showing fingers that
had been pulled off in the high school shop class have a lot to do with
me still having all my fingers and both eyes.



Hey, Lets face it. If we are a male over sixteen, have ever DONE
anything, and are still ALIVE, we've by definition" gotten away with
doing something stupid"

Jon Danniken[_4_] June 11th 10 09:47 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
wrote:

I worked part of my nursing career as an occupational nurse. Each
employer had one department I never wanted to hear from :o) If a
supervisor brought in a guy who couldn't talk, I knew it was a
polisher...polishing heavy stainless steel parts on big wheel, wheel
grabs the part and returns it at 90 mph below the belt :o)

One of my regulars, whom I usually had to treat for embedded steel
slivers, came with his supv. one day. He had forgotten to remove an
Allen wrench from the lathe before turning it on...it spun, hung up
briefly, and shot the Allen wrench at his eyes. Broke one or both
lenses, got glass in his eyes. I could see a tiny amount of blood
coming out of one eye, so shipped him out in a hurry. He had a tiny
little scratch inside his lower lid, NO damage to either eye.



Ouch. I was talking with a public works supervisor the other day as we ran
into each other at a parts counter. I was purchasing a wire brush, which
gave him a knee-jerk to bring up safety glasses.

I mentioned that I not only use glasses, but use an additional full-face
shield when I am using a wire wheel in the grinder, bringing up the issue of
long-term accumulation of metal in eyes being a bad thing when you need an
MRI later in life.

He told me a story about one of his workers a few years ago, who only wore
the glasses. It turned out one of the wires came loose (as they are prone
to doing), and got around the glasses and into his eye. He immediately
contacted the supervisor, who got him a ride to the hospital forthwith.

The problem was that the doctor found nothing in his eye, and sent him home.

After two days,, the fellow was experiencing a severe headache, and his head
and eye were experiencing severe inflammation. Upon giving him an X-ray, it
was determined that the wire actually went through his eye (which is why the
original doctor couldn't see it) and embedded itself alongside the optic
nerve, penetrating the outer membrane of his brain.

He was airlifted to OHSU up in Portland, and while they were able to save
his life (and his brain), he permanently lost his sight in the eye that the
wire went through.

I'm usually pretty religious about safety gear, but that made me a fanatic.

Jon





keith June 11th 10 10:25 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
On Jun 11, 1:44*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:42:57 -0500, FatterDumber& Happier Moe



wrote:
Jim Elbrecht wrote:
Every once in a while on a job I'll have a close call that just for
the grace of god doesn't take off a digit or blind me. * [not often,
mind you, but probably a 1/2 dozen times in the last 50 years.]


This poor ******* wasn't that lucky-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100610/...ped_in_furnace


A friend came by in a few days so he 'only' lost an arm- but whatever
he did could have turned fatal.


I can't believe all the ignorant putzes who haven't lived long enough
[or done enough] to know that **** happens & want to jump all over
this guy while he's down.


Jim


*Oh yes,
* Part time job in college I worked at a lumber yard, 13 inch Delta
radial saw, I must have cut 15 miles of all kinds of wood on that saw.
I was careful and respected the thing, one kid wasn't so lucky and we
nailed what was left of his glove above the saw as a safety reminder.
*Closest I came to losing a finger was with a chain saw, cut my left
ring finger to the bone but didn't touch the other fingers? *And once I
got my fingers in the cable while adjusting a double wide garage door,
like the furnace guy I was alone and the door was winning the contest, I
finally had to jerk my hand out and Ouch! damn that hurt, lost some skin
but the fingers stay attached. *Had to go to an ophthalmologist once to
get a metal shaving removed. *That's when I learned MD's don't do
"extractions" and optometrist don't do "extractions" *I had to find an
ophthalmologist covered by my insurance to do that little job.
* I think the safety posters about glass eyes and showing fingers that
had been pulled off in the high school shop class have a lot to do with
me still having all my fingers and both eyes.


Hey, Lets face it. If we are a male over sixteen, have ever DONE
anything, and are still ALIVE, we've by definition" gotten away with
doing something stupid"


About 20 years ago I was called for jury duty. During jury selection
one of the candidates (ended up being the foreman) was asked about her
children (all males 21, 29, 31, 33ish at the time), and whether they'd
ever been to the emergency room. Her: no. Me (to self): liar.

I was the last man standing and went home with a get out of jail free
card good for two years without having to sit through a trial.

[email protected][_2_] June 11th 10 10:55 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
Jon Danniken wrote:
wrote:
I worked part of my nursing career as an occupational nurse. Each
employer had one department I never wanted to hear from :o) If a
supervisor brought in a guy who couldn't talk, I knew it was a
polisher...polishing heavy stainless steel parts on big wheel, wheel
grabs the part and returns it at 90 mph below the belt :o)

One of my regulars, whom I usually had to treat for embedded steel
slivers, came with his supv. one day. He had forgotten to remove an
Allen wrench from the lathe before turning it on...it spun, hung up
briefly, and shot the Allen wrench at his eyes. Broke one or both
lenses, got glass in his eyes. I could see a tiny amount of blood
coming out of one eye, so shipped him out in a hurry. He had a tiny
little scratch inside his lower lid, NO damage to either eye.



Ouch. I was talking with a public works supervisor the other day as we ran
into each other at a parts counter. I was purchasing a wire brush, which
gave him a knee-jerk to bring up safety glasses.

I mentioned that I not only use glasses, but use an additional full-face
shield when I am using a wire wheel in the grinder, bringing up the issue of
long-term accumulation of metal in eyes being a bad thing when you need an
MRI later in life.

He told me a story about one of his workers a few years ago, who only wore
the glasses. It turned out one of the wires came loose (as they are prone
to doing), and got around the glasses and into his eye. He immediately
contacted the supervisor, who got him a ride to the hospital forthwith.

The problem was that the doctor found nothing in his eye, and sent him home.

After two days,, the fellow was experiencing a severe headache, and his head
and eye were experiencing severe inflammation. Upon giving him an X-ray, it
was determined that the wire actually went through his eye (which is why the
original doctor couldn't see it) and embedded itself alongside the optic
nerve, penetrating the outer membrane of his brain.

He was airlifted to OHSU up in Portland, and while they were able to save
his life (and his brain), he permanently lost his sight in the eye that the
wire went through.

I'm usually pretty religious about safety gear, but that made me a fanatic.

Jon




If I used power tools, I'd probably have to wear a helmet, bullet proof
vest, and face shield to feel safe :o) There are memorable stories in
the news pretty regularly...a guy who was up in a tree, trimming with
chain saw and cut the back of his calf with the saw. Experienced, in
the biz 20 years or more. His helpers on the ground wanted him to get
down, but he would not. They called for help but he bled to death up in
the tree before help arrived...

Or the guy mowing grass on a bank along the water, tractor tipped and
pinned him under water...

Guy using grinder, wheel broke and a chunk severed a vein or artery in
his neck and he bled to death...

I was driving downtown one day on a street where sewer installation was
going on. The sewer excavation was in the curb lane, front-loader in
the lane next to it, I in the third lane going opposite way. Traffic
was barely moving, so I watched the young guy digging...the ditch was to
his side and each time he took a scoop of dirt, the rig tipped toward
the ditch so that the tread on other side lifted off the ground. I
almost had a heart attack...stopped as soon as I could and grabbed the
first person with a hard hat and told him my concern. His reply was
really weird..."Do you think it looks dangerous?" I thought that was
nuts, so went back to the car and drove to the construction trailer to
find a boss. The first guy I spoke to was already there, in the boss'
office. The boss was really terse and told me the situation was taken
care of.

Oren[_2_] June 11th 10 11:31 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:37:11 -0400, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:

Every once in a while on a job I'll have a close call that just for
the grace of god doesn't take off a digit or blind me.


Here, there was a bum found in a rail car. He took a nap for the ride.
When they found him. under a hundred tons of re-bar, well you know.


[email protected] June 12th 10 12:49 AM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
On Jun 11, 5:55�pm, "
wrote:
Jon Danniken wrote:
wrote:
I worked part of my nursing career as an occupational nurse. �Each
employer had one department I never wanted to hear from :o) �If a
supervisor brought in a guy who couldn't talk, I knew it was a
polisher...polishing heavy stainless steel parts on big wheel, wheel
grabs the part and returns it at 90 mph below the belt :o)


One of my regulars, whom I usually had to treat for embedded steel
slivers, came with his supv. one day. �He had forgotten to remove an
Allen wrench from the lathe before turning it on...it spun, hung up
briefly, and shot the Allen wrench at his eyes. �Broke one or both
lenses, got glass in his eyes. �I could see a tiny amount of blood
coming out of one eye, so shipped him out in a hurry. �He had a tiny
little scratch inside his lower lid, NO damage to either eye.


Ouch. �I was talking with a public works supervisor the other day as we ran
into each other at a parts counter. �I was purchasing a wire brush, which
gave him a knee-jerk to bring up safety glasses.


I mentioned that I not only use glasses, but use an additional full-face
shield when I am using a wire wheel in the grinder, bringing up the issue of
long-term accumulation of metal in eyes being a bad thing when you need an
MRI later in life.


He told me a story about one of his workers a few years ago, who only wore
the glasses. �It turned out one of the wires came loose (as they are prone
to doing), and got around the glasses and into his eye. �He immediately
contacted the supervisor, who got him a ride to the hospital forthwith.


The problem was that the doctor found nothing in his eye, and sent him home.


After two days,, the fellow was experiencing a severe headache, and his head
and eye were experiencing severe inflammation. �Upon giving him an X-ray, it
was determined that the wire actually went through his eye (which is why the
original doctor couldn't see it) and embedded itself alongside the optic
nerve, penetrating the outer membrane of his brain.


He was airlifted to OHSU up in Portland, and while they were able to save
his life (and his brain), he permanently lost his sight in the eye that the
wire went through.


I'm usually pretty religious about safety gear, but that made me a fanatic.


Jon


If I used power tools, I'd probably have to wear a helmet, bullet proof
vest, and face shield to feel safe :o) �There are memorable stories in
the news pretty regularly...a guy who was up in a tree, trimming with
chain saw and cut the back of his calf with the saw. �Experienced, in
the biz 20 years or more. �His helpers on the ground wanted him to get
down, but he would not. �They called for help but he bled to death up in
the tree before help arrived...

Or the guy mowing grass on a bank along the water, tractor tipped and
pinned him under water...

Guy using grinder, wheel broke and a chunk severed a vein or artery in
his neck and he bled to death...

I was driving downtown one day on a street where sewer installation was
going on. �The sewer excavation was in the curb lane, front-loader in
the lane next to it, I in the third lane going opposite way. �Traffic
was barely moving, so I watched the young guy digging...the ditch was to
his side and each time he took a scoop of dirt, the rig tipped toward
the ditch so that the tread on other side lifted off the ground. �I
almost had a heart attack...stopped as soon as I could and grabbed the
first person with a hard hat and told him my concern. �His reply was
really weird..."Do you think it looks dangerous?" �I thought that was
nuts, so went back to the car and drove to the construction trailer to
find a boss. �The first guy I spoke to was already there, in the boss'
office. �The boss was really terse and told me the situation was taken
care of.- Hide quoted text -

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I accidently ran a tiller into my main service electric cable, one of
those I almost died. It was a borroweed tiller, the rubber handle
grips kept falling off. neighbor put them back on moments before
shower of sparks.

neighbor had borrowed tiller from a friend of his and he was afraid I
would lose the handle grips

[email protected][_2_] June 12th 10 01:30 AM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
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I accidently ran a tiller into my main service electric cable, one of
those I almost died. It was a borroweed tiller, the rubber handle
grips kept falling off. neighbor put them back on moments before
shower of sparks.

neighbor had borrowed tiller from a friend of his and he was afraid I
would lose the handle grips


I beheaded an extension cord with my hedge trimmer...plastic body. Had
me rubber gloves on when I hit the light switch with my utility knife
while trimming wallpaper :o)

Robert Neville June 12th 10 02:26 AM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
wrote:

Hey, Lets face it. If we are a male over sixteen, have ever DONE
anything, and are still ALIVE, we've by definition" gotten away with
doing something stupid"


Many years ago, I was building a deck off the back sliding door on an older
house. When planning the size and location, I initially considering wrapping the
deck around the side of the house with a small extention that would tie out with
the sidewalk from the drive to the side garage door. The electric & phone
entered the house near that door, so I decided that it wouldn't be a good idea
to dig posts in that area and mentally eliminated that portion of the deck in my
mind.

Weeks later, I rented a gas post hole drill and started whacking out the holes
for the deck posts. Totally forgetting why I wasn't going to build the deck
around the side of the house, I cleverly drilled a few more holes on the side of
the house until I got to the very last one. For some reason, the auger would
only go about 24" down and not to the 36" frost line. I figured I had hit a rock
and leaned as hard as I could, but the drill just wouldn't go any farther.

Pulled the auger out of the hole, cleared the dirt at the bottom and what do I
discover? The electric service cable from the transformer at the street to the
house. If that line hadn't been armoured, I would be singing with the angels.

Sat down on the grass and repeated a thank you prayer for about 30 minutes
straight. To this day I can't believe I survived.

Ed Pawlowski[_2_] June 12th 10 04:27 AM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
Every once in a while on a job I'll have a close call that just for
the grace of god doesn't take off a digit or blind me. [not often,
mind you, but probably a 1/2 dozen times in the last 50 years.]

This poor ******* wasn't that lucky-
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100610/...ped_in_furnace


I often work alone in the garage using power tools. I carry a cell phone
with me and keep it in my pocket.

I've had a few close calls with sharp tools over the years.


h[_11_] June 12th 10 11:48 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
I often work alone in the garage using power tools. I carry a cell phone
with me and keep it in my pocket.

I've had a few close calls with sharp tools over the years.



Yup. I've kept a cell phone in my pocket whenever I do anything "dangerous"
when I'm home alone every since I fell off the roof 25 years ago. The ladder
slid sideways, and I ended up in the lilac bushes with no injuries. I was
JUST LUCKY. There is neither "smart" nor "stupid" on many home improvement
injuries. Sure, there are really "stupid" things, like using a saw without
safety goggles, not turning off the breaker before modifying an electrical
outlet, etc., but the older you get, the more careful you are, because "bad
things have happened and you survived."



[email protected] June 12th 10 11:59 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
On Jun 12, 6:48�pm, "h" wrote:
I often work alone in the garage using power tools. I carry a cell phone
with me and keep it in my pocket.


I've had a few close calls with sharp tools over the years.


Yup. I've kept a cell phone in my pocket whenever I do anything "dangerous"
when I'm home alone every since I fell off the roof 25 years ago. The ladder
slid sideways, and I ended up in the lilac bushes with no injuries. I was
JUST LUCKY. There is neither "smart" nor "stupid" on many home improvement
injuries. Sure, there are really "stupid" things, like using a saw without
safety goggles, not turning off the breaker before modifying an electrical
outlet, etc., but the older you get, the more careful you are, because "bad
things have happened and you survived."


I always turn off breaker before doing anything electrical but learned
long ago i might think its off but it may still be on:(

So I stick a screwdriver into a vulnerable spotto confirm its off!!!

On a couple occasions I have gotten a nice arc, better my screwdriver
than me:)

Roy June 13th 10 05:56 AM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
On Jun 12, 4:59*pm, " wrote:
On Jun 12, 6:48 pm, "h" wrote:

I often work alone in the garage using power tools. I carry a cell phone
with me and keep it in my pocket.


I've had a few close calls with sharp tools over the years.


Yup. I've kept a cell phone in my pocket whenever I do anything "dangerous"
when I'm home alone every since I fell off the roof 25 years ago. The ladder
slid sideways, and I ended up in the lilac bushes with no injuries. I was
JUST LUCKY. There is neither "smart" nor "stupid" on many home improvement
injuries. Sure, there are really "stupid" things, like using a saw without
safety goggles, not turning off the breaker before modifying an electrical
outlet, etc., but the older you get, the more careful you are, because "bad
things have happened and you survived."


I always turn off breaker before doing anything electrical but learned
long ago i might think its off but it may still be on:(

So I stick a screwdriver into a vulnerable spotto confirm its off!!!

On a couple occasions I have gotten a nice arc, better my screwdriver
than me:)


==
When I lived in the city I had a snow blower with an 8 HP motor and
when it snowed I would often clear my driveway and sidewalk for myself
and a couple of neighbors on either side of me. No problems most of
the time but once after a heavy snowfall I "accidentally" digested one
neighbors power cord. Its a wonder I didn't get a shock or worse.
Local bylaws required overhead support for temporary cords so the
neighbor really couldn't say much when I sheepishly rang his doorbell
and handed him the mangled cord.
Needless to say, I was more vigilante after that episode.
==


Don Klipstein June 13th 10 07:26 AM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
In ,
wrote:
On Jun 12, 6:48=EF=BF=BDpm, "h" wrote:
I often work alone in the garage using power tools. I carry a cell phone
with me and keep it in my pocket.


I've had a few close calls with sharp tools over the years.


Yup. I've kept a cell phone in my pocket whenever I do anything "dangerous"
when I'm home alone every since I fell off the roof 25 years ago. The
ladder slid sideways, and I ended up in the lilac bushes with no injuries.
I was JUST LUCKY. There is neither "smart" nor "stupid" on many home
improvement injuries. Sure, there are really "stupid" things, like using
a saw without safety goggles, not turning off the breaker before
modifying an electrical outlet, etc., but the older you get, the more
careful you are, because "bad things have happened and you survived."


I always turn off breaker before doing anything electrical but learned
long ago i might think its off but it may still be on:(

So I stick a screwdriver into a vulnerable spotto confirm its off!!!

On a couple occasions I have gotten a nice arc, better my screwdriver
than me:)


That sounds to me to be a variation of the "Jesus Method".

That in-more-original-form is "best-done" with suitably-insulated wires
of 12 AWG or preferably 10 AWG if that is convenient or if you need to do
that a few times or more in your lifetime.

The "tip ends" are stripped to expose an inch or so of bare copper wire.

If you apply this to an outlet, a way mentioned is to suitably connect
these wires to a cord-with-plug no thinner than AWG 16. Otherwise, I
would offer usage of clip-leads to clip onto the mostly-insulated wires
12 - 10 AWG mentioned above, as well as to the circuit where you want to
verify that it is "dead" or otherwise "kill it".

One thing that I would add - use a voltmeter to make sure that you have
identified what wires you are up against, since the "Jesus Method" is
intended to pop a hard-to-find breaker.

The action finally taken to "pop that breaker" is to short the circuit.
That typically involves an initial spark often bright enough to mildly put
a spot in peoples' eyes, a sound that can be considered anywhere from
"mildly-moderately loud pop" to "more like a bang or 'small kaboom', "
along with fair chance of a small brief shower to smaller splattering of
small molten metal droplets that could be a problem if they hit anything
flammable and you don't verify lack of a fire starting in such a way.

This method is traditionally called the "Jesus Method" because when that
is done, traditionally either the one using it or someone else nearby
screams "Jesus!" in response to the pop/bang sound and bright "initial
spark", unless doing so a second or 2 later in response to everyone in
the room in question still being as alive-and-well as 1 minute before.

--
- Don Klipstein )

[email protected] June 13th 10 04:10 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:56:33 -0700 (PDT), Roy wrote:

On Jun 12, 4:59*pm, " wrote:
On Jun 12, 6:48 pm, "h" wrote:

I often work alone in the garage using power tools. I carry a cell phone
with me and keep it in my pocket.


I've had a few close calls with sharp tools over the years.


Yup. I've kept a cell phone in my pocket whenever I do anything "dangerous"
when I'm home alone every since I fell off the roof 25 years ago. The ladder
slid sideways, and I ended up in the lilac bushes with no injuries. I was
JUST LUCKY. There is neither "smart" nor "stupid" on many home improvement
injuries. Sure, there are really "stupid" things, like using a saw without
safety goggles, not turning off the breaker before modifying an electrical
outlet, etc., but the older you get, the more careful you are, because "bad
things have happened and you survived."


I always turn off breaker before doing anything electrical but learned
long ago i might think its off but it may still be on:(

So I stick a screwdriver into a vulnerable spotto confirm its off!!!

On a couple occasions I have gotten a nice arc, better my screwdriver
than me:)


==
When I lived in the city I had a snow blower with an 8 HP motor and
when it snowed I would often clear my driveway and sidewalk for myself
and a couple of neighbors on either side of me. No problems most of
the time but once after a heavy snowfall I "accidentally" digested one
neighbors power cord. Its a wonder I didn't get a shock or worse.
Local bylaws required overhead support for temporary cords so the
neighbor really couldn't say much when I sheepishly rang his doorbell
and handed him the mangled cord.
Needless to say, I was more vigilante after that episode.

^^^^^^^^^

You killed your neighbor for leaving a cord on his driveway?

Roy June 13th 10 05:42 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
On Jun 13, 9:10*am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:56:33 -0700 (PDT), Roy wrote:
On Jun 12, 4:59 pm, " wrote:
On Jun 12, 6:48 pm, "h" wrote:


I often work alone in the garage using power tools. I carry a cell phone
with me and keep it in my pocket.


I've had a few close calls with sharp tools over the years.


Yup. I've kept a cell phone in my pocket whenever I do anything "dangerous"
when I'm home alone every since I fell off the roof 25 years ago. The ladder
slid sideways, and I ended up in the lilac bushes with no injuries. I was
JUST LUCKY. There is neither "smart" nor "stupid" on many home improvement
injuries. Sure, there are really "stupid" things, like using a saw without
safety goggles, not turning off the breaker before modifying an electrical
outlet, etc., but the older you get, the more careful you are, because "bad
things have happened and you survived."


I always turn off breaker before doing anything electrical but learned
long ago i might think its off but it may still be on:(


So I stick a screwdriver into a vulnerable spotto confirm its off!!!


On a couple occasions I have gotten a nice arc, better my screwdriver
than me:)


==
When I lived in the city I had a snow blower with an 8 HP motor and
when it snowed I would often clear my driveway and sidewalk for myself
and a couple of neighbors on either side of me. No problems most of
the time but once after a heavy snowfall I "accidentally" digested one
neighbors power cord. Its a wonder I didn't get a shock or worse.
Local bylaws required overhead support for temporary cords so the
neighbor really couldn't say much when I sheepishly rang his doorbell
and handed him the mangled cord.
Needless to say, I was more vigilante after that episode.


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *^^^^^^^^^

You killed your neighbor for leaving a cord on his driveway?


==
No, but I should have. That should have read "neighbor's power
cord"...although with that neighbor I should really have blown the
snow onto his sidewalk instead of from it.
==

[email protected] June 13th 10 06:16 PM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:42:24 -0700 (PDT), Roy wrote:

On Jun 13, 9:10*am, "
wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:56:33 -0700 (PDT), Roy wrote:
On Jun 12, 4:59 pm, " wrote:
On Jun 12, 6:48 pm, "h" wrote:


I often work alone in the garage using power tools. I carry a cell phone
with me and keep it in my pocket.


I've had a few close calls with sharp tools over the years.


Yup. I've kept a cell phone in my pocket whenever I do anything "dangerous"
when I'm home alone every since I fell off the roof 25 years ago. The ladder
slid sideways, and I ended up in the lilac bushes with no injuries. I was
JUST LUCKY. There is neither "smart" nor "stupid" on many home improvement
injuries. Sure, there are really "stupid" things, like using a saw without
safety goggles, not turning off the breaker before modifying an electrical
outlet, etc., but the older you get, the more careful you are, because "bad
things have happened and you survived."


I always turn off breaker before doing anything electrical but learned
long ago i might think its off but it may still be on:(


So I stick a screwdriver into a vulnerable spotto confirm its off!!!


On a couple occasions I have gotten a nice arc, better my screwdriver
than me:)


==
When I lived in the city I had a snow blower with an 8 HP motor and
when it snowed I would often clear my driveway and sidewalk for myself
and a couple of neighbors on either side of me. No problems most of
the time but once after a heavy snowfall I "accidentally" digested one
neighbors power cord. Its a wonder I didn't get a shock or worse.
Local bylaws required overhead support for temporary cords so the
neighbor really couldn't say much when I sheepishly rang his doorbell
and handed him the mangled cord.
Needless to say, I was more vigilante after that episode.


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *^^^^^^^^^

You killed your neighbor for leaving a cord on his driveway?


==
No, but I should have. That should have read "neighbor's power
cord"...although with that neighbor I should really have blown the
snow onto his sidewalk instead of from it.
==


Oh, after reading it again, you became more of a vigilante after. You weren't
to the "killin'" stage yet. ;-)

Stormin Mormon June 14th 10 02:33 AM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
Sensible, I think.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Jon Danniken" wrote in message
...


I'm usually pretty religious about safety gear, but that made me a
fanatic.

Jon






Stormin Mormon June 14th 10 02:34 AM

Ever get away with doing something stupid?
 
Glad you said something. Most people just drive on.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
m...

I was driving downtown one day on a street where sewer installation
was
going on. The sewer excavation was in the curb lane, front-loader in
the lane next to it, I in the third lane going opposite way. Traffic
was barely moving, so I watched the young guy digging...the ditch was
to
his side and each time he took a scoop of dirt, the rig tipped toward
the ditch so that the tread on other side lifted off the ground. I
almost had a heart attack...stopped as soon as I could and grabbed the
first person with a hard hat and told him my concern. His reply was
really weird..."Do you think it looks dangerous?" I thought that was
nuts, so went back to the car and drove to the construction trailer to
find a boss. The first guy I spoke to was already there, in the boss'
office. The boss was really terse and told me the situation was taken
care of.




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