90 amps for electric car charge!
On Feb 15, 5:20*pm, George wrote:
On 2/15/2010 4:08 PM, Bill wrote: Well I'm getting out my popcorn to sit back and watch the show in California with this. They [California] had a fit with everyone buying those new TV's which use a bit more energy. (Overloading the electric grid.) In California no one wants any new major electric transmission lines built in their backyard. If quite a few people buy these cars in California, it will be interesting to see what they do when it places a strain on their electric grid. Neighborhood nukes? Or for that matter if there was a concentration of these new cars in one neighborhood anywhere. Say 3 homes all on the same electric company transformer. Then all 3 homes get electric vehicles, and they all recharge them at 6:00 pm when they get home on a hot summer day, and also have their AC and everything else going full blast??? Neighborhood Nuclear Power... http://www.hyperionpowergeneration.com/about.html Aren't you assuming worst case? I think a lot of diversity will be involved. Many would likely just use a longer term lower current draw charge.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You have a choice. In his hypothetical case of several homes sharing a transformer, you can either design for worst case or ignore it. The latter could very well result in the transformer overloading and the homes being without power. And his point is a very valid one. The existing transformer loads were calculated based on some assumptions of what loads would be in the future and a worst case scenario had to be calculated. I would not be surprised that suddenly having homes where new 70A loads for 4 hours appear could exceed the system design, with his transformer loading being a good example. As for using a longer term lower current, there are two big problems with that: 1 - The longer it takes to recharge the car, the less attractive these cars become and they become totally excluded from many applications. That's especially true when you compare their operating costs with similar size ICE cars available today, eg hybrids, that have no charging issues. 2 - In today's instant gratification world, I doubt many people are going to want to charge it at less than the maximum. You need to run a new circuit to charge them anyway, so why would you not make it capable of charging at the max? And once you have that 90A circuit, you know people are going to use it. You could discourage this by offpeak pricing. But that gets back to what I said a long time ago, which is that you need to talk about a COMPLETE solution, from energy generation to the point of usage, not just an electric car. Yet, the miracle, clean, green electric car is all the media cares to talk about. |
90 amps for electric car charge!
On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:26:16 -0800, "Bob F"
wrote: wrote: On Feb 16, 11:00 am, "Bob F" wrote: wrote: You have a choice. In his hypothetical case of several homes sharing a transformer, you can either design for worst case or ignore it. The latter could very well result in the transformer overloading and the homes being without power. As with any other big addition of power using equipment, you let the power Cc. know what you are doing (By getting a permit?) The transformer problem is then their responsibility. At least that was what I was told when I added a hot tub years ago. You're the first residential user that I ever heard of that notified the power company because they were installing a hot tub. In the rest of the residential world, no one is keeping track of what loads get added. You put in a 200amp service and that's the end of the story. If you need more capacity, THEN you call the electric company and upgrade to 300amps. So no one you know gets an electrical permit when adding a major circuit? No. |
90 amps for electric car charge!
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:00:58 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Bob F wrote: The permits are the city, the power utility is the city. What's laughable? I've never lived anywhere where "the power utility is the city", so you are laughable. The city here has the power company, but I assure you that their planning tsars aren't counting hot tubs. Tax assessors, OTOH... |
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