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Antifreeze - not just for cars
"mm" wrote I didnt' know the head came off. Thanks. Probably varies with brands. Steve |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:46 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:
You think we should clean up our crappy language? at least flush your mouth out with soapy water! |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:46 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:
You think we should clean up our crappy language? at least flush your mouth out with soapy water! |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
I'm not a communist! I voted for Stalin!
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Being Mormon, and the house belongs to a practicing Mormon, that's more likely to be a rootbeer than a real beer. I can't believe you said that. You are obviously a communist. :-) |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
I'm not a communist! I voted for Stalin!
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Being Mormon, and the house belongs to a practicing Mormon, that's more likely to be a rootbeer than a real beer. I can't believe you said that. You are obviously a communist. :-) |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
It's an older house, probably 30 plus years old. VERY easy
to have saggy horizontals. Is it (typically) easier to pour antifreeze into the pipes, or blow the water out? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:13 -0500, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: That's my concern. Might be horizontal pipes with sags. A 1/2 inch pipe that is run more or less horizontal but is 3/4 inch higher at one end than the other is enough to cause a disaster. Now think about how easy it would be for that condition to exist! |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
It's an older house, probably 30 plus years old. VERY easy
to have saggy horizontals. Is it (typically) easier to pour antifreeze into the pipes, or blow the water out? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:13 -0500, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: That's my concern. Might be horizontal pipes with sags. A 1/2 inch pipe that is run more or less horizontal but is 3/4 inch higher at one end than the other is enough to cause a disaster. Now think about how easy it would be for that condition to exist! |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
On Dec 9, 6:05*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote: During the phase change from liquid water to solid ice, the water (ice) expands. It can easily crack the pipe. So that when the weather warms up, the drain trap leaks. I don't believe it can crack the pipe. As the water turns to ice it expands, true. But in a p-trap it's got PLENTY of space to expand into (like millions of cubic feet) - in both directions. Well as I said earlier the slug of water expands in all directions. Not just the directions in line with the pipes. The pressure that causes is more than enough to fracture stone so the piping has no hope of surviving the experience. Every time the hunters have used the toilets after they were antifreeze treated the toilets break and that is just because the antifreeze is diluted with urine. When they are also fastidious enough to use the sink the S trap breaks. So from experience I can tell you that if the water hard freezes in the trap it will fracture. -- Tom Horne |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
On Dec 9, 6:05*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote: During the phase change from liquid water to solid ice, the water (ice) expands. It can easily crack the pipe. So that when the weather warms up, the drain trap leaks. I don't believe it can crack the pipe. As the water turns to ice it expands, true. But in a p-trap it's got PLENTY of space to expand into (like millions of cubic feet) - in both directions. Well as I said earlier the slug of water expands in all directions. Not just the directions in line with the pipes. The pressure that causes is more than enough to fracture stone so the piping has no hope of surviving the experience. Every time the hunters have used the toilets after they were antifreeze treated the toilets break and that is just because the antifreeze is diluted with urine. When they are also fastidious enough to use the sink the S trap breaks. So from experience I can tell you that if the water hard freezes in the trap it will fracture. -- Tom Horne |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
Muslims don't have a hotel? All that money, and no hotel?
Well, with the island of Dubai, who needs a hotel. I think they have a bunch of hotels, and corner stores in the US. You know why India women have that dark spot in their forehead? On the wedding night, the groom has to scratch it off, and see if he got a 7-11, a bodega, or a taxicab. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... But the Muslims don't have their own official hotel. So they suck. :-) http://www.palmyrainn.com/ |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
Muslims don't have a hotel? All that money, and no hotel?
Well, with the island of Dubai, who needs a hotel. I think they have a bunch of hotels, and corner stores in the US. You know why India women have that dark spot in their forehead? On the wedding night, the groom has to scratch it off, and see if he got a 7-11, a bodega, or a taxicab. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... But the Muslims don't have their own official hotel. So they suck. :-) http://www.palmyrainn.com/ |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
Use a sink sprayer hose, and make it a swirly?
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jules" wrote in message ail.com... On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:46 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: You think we should clean up our crappy language? at least flush your mouth out with soapy water! |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
Use a sink sprayer hose, and make it a swirly?
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jules" wrote in message ail.com... On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:46 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: You think we should clean up our crappy language? at least flush your mouth out with soapy water! |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
They may own hotels, but are they official Muslim hotels, built specifically
to cater to a pilgrimage? I don't know. But Mormons have one! Have you ever experienced this amazing show? http://www.hillcumorah.org/Pageant/Default.aspx "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Muslims don't have a hotel? All that money, and no hotel? Well, with the island of Dubai, who needs a hotel. I think they have a bunch of hotels, and corner stores in the US. You know why India women have that dark spot in their forehead? On the wedding night, the groom has to scratch it off, and see if he got a 7-11, a bodega, or a taxicab. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... But the Muslims don't have their own official hotel. So they suck. :-) http://www.palmyrainn.com/ |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
They may own hotels, but are they official Muslim hotels, built specifically
to cater to a pilgrimage? I don't know. But Mormons have one! Have you ever experienced this amazing show? http://www.hillcumorah.org/Pageant/Default.aspx "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Muslims don't have a hotel? All that money, and no hotel? Well, with the island of Dubai, who needs a hotel. I think they have a bunch of hotels, and corner stores in the US. You know why India women have that dark spot in their forehead? On the wedding night, the groom has to scratch it off, and see if he got a 7-11, a bodega, or a taxicab. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... But the Muslims don't have their own official hotel. So they suck. :-) http://www.palmyrainn.com/ |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
Only if the water supply enters the house above all the other pipes, which
is an arrangement I don't think is very common on this planet. Now, if you change the word "pour" to "pump", you may have a chance of this discussion ending before a week from next Tuesday. "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... It's an older house, probably 30 plus years old. VERY easy to have saggy horizontals. Is it (typically) easier to pour antifreeze into the pipes, or blow the water out? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:13 -0500, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: That's my concern. Might be horizontal pipes with sags. A 1/2 inch pipe that is run more or less horizontal but is 3/4 inch higher at one end than the other is enough to cause a disaster. Now think about how easy it would be for that condition to exist! |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
Only if the water supply enters the house above all the other pipes, which
is an arrangement I don't think is very common on this planet. Now, if you change the word "pour" to "pump", you may have a chance of this discussion ending before a week from next Tuesday. "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... It's an older house, probably 30 plus years old. VERY easy to have saggy horizontals. Is it (typically) easier to pour antifreeze into the pipes, or blow the water out? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:13 -0500, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: That's my concern. Might be horizontal pipes with sags. A 1/2 inch pipe that is run more or less horizontal but is 3/4 inch higher at one end than the other is enough to cause a disaster. Now think about how easy it would be for that condition to exist! |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Only if the water supply enters the house above all the other pipes, which is an arrangement I don't think is very common on this planet. Now, if you change the word "pour" to "pump", you may have a chance of this discussion ending before a week from next Tuesday. huh? for most of the houses in az, the water supply enters about 3' up an outside wall, and all pipes are below the slab except for stubs coming up where there is a valve. "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... It's an older house, probably 30 plus years old. VERY easy to have saggy horizontals. Is it (typically) easier to pour antifreeze into the pipes, or blow the water out? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:13 -0500, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: That's my concern. Might be horizontal pipes with sags. A 1/2 inch pipe that is run more or less horizontal but is 3/4 inch higher at one end than the other is enough to cause a disaster. Now think about how easy it would be for that condition to exist! |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
Only if the water supply enters the house above all the other pipes, which is an arrangement I don't think is very common on this planet. Now, if you change the word "pour" to "pump", you may have a chance of this discussion ending before a week from next Tuesday. huh? for most of the houses in az, the water supply enters about 3' up an outside wall, and all pipes are below the slab except for stubs coming up where there is a valve. "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... It's an older house, probably 30 plus years old. VERY easy to have saggy horizontals. Is it (typically) easier to pour antifreeze into the pipes, or blow the water out? -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . wrote in message ... On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:13 -0500, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: That's my concern. Might be horizontal pipes with sags. A 1/2 inch pipe that is run more or less horizontal but is 3/4 inch higher at one end than the other is enough to cause a disaster. Now think about how easy it would be for that condition to exist! |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
I'm not sure about the Muslim pilgrimage hotels. As to
Pageant, yes, I've heard of it. And I've also been in the audience to see it. Rather impressive. Also rather spiritual, and a great way for the church to get the word out. The Spirit of the Lord is strong there, and helps people to decide to join the church. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... They may own hotels, but are they official Muslim hotels, built specifically to cater to a pilgrimage? I don't know. But Mormons have one! Have you ever experienced this amazing show? http://www.hillcumorah.org/Pageant/Default.aspx "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Muslims don't have a hotel? All that money, and no hotel? Well, with the island of Dubai, who needs a hotel. I think they have a bunch of hotels, and corner stores in the US. You know why India women have that dark spot in their forehead? On the wedding night, the groom has to scratch it off, and see if he got a 7-11, a bodega, or a taxicab. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... But the Muslims don't have their own official hotel. So they suck. :-) http://www.palmyrainn.com/ |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
I'm not sure about the Muslim pilgrimage hotels. As to
Pageant, yes, I've heard of it. And I've also been in the audience to see it. Rather impressive. Also rather spiritual, and a great way for the church to get the word out. The Spirit of the Lord is strong there, and helps people to decide to join the church. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... They may own hotels, but are they official Muslim hotels, built specifically to cater to a pilgrimage? I don't know. But Mormons have one! Have you ever experienced this amazing show? http://www.hillcumorah.org/Pageant/Default.aspx "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Muslims don't have a hotel? All that money, and no hotel? Well, with the island of Dubai, who needs a hotel. I think they have a bunch of hotels, and corner stores in the US. You know why India women have that dark spot in their forehead? On the wedding night, the groom has to scratch it off, and see if he got a 7-11, a bodega, or a taxicab. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... But the Muslims don't have their own official hotel. So they suck. :-) http://www.palmyrainn.com/ |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
"charlie" wrote in message
... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: Only if the water supply enters the house above all the other pipes, which is an arrangement I don't think is very common on this planet. Now, if you change the word "pour" to "pump", you may have a chance of this discussion ending before a week from next Tuesday. huh? for most of the houses in az, the water supply enters about 3' up an outside wall, and all pipes are below the slab except for stubs coming up where there is a valve. So, pouring would get the anti-freeze to the 2nd floor. Right? Yes? Base your response ONLY on the word "pouring". |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
"charlie" wrote in message
... JoeSpareBedroom wrote: Only if the water supply enters the house above all the other pipes, which is an arrangement I don't think is very common on this planet. Now, if you change the word "pour" to "pump", you may have a chance of this discussion ending before a week from next Tuesday. huh? for most of the houses in az, the water supply enters about 3' up an outside wall, and all pipes are below the slab except for stubs coming up where there is a valve. So, pouring would get the anti-freeze to the 2nd floor. Right? Yes? Base your response ONLY on the word "pouring". |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
I figured there had to be some way to use a garden sprayer,
and adapt it some how, to a garden hose. Maybe a lot of duct tape, and a couple hose clamps. Use that to pump antifreeze into the water lines. Of course, when the house is reoccupied, they would have to flush a bunch of water through the lines, to clear the antifreeze. The water inlet is through the cellar floor. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Only if the water supply enters the house above all the other pipes, which is an arrangement I don't think is very common on this planet. Now, if you change the word "pour" to "pump", you may have a chance of this discussion ending before a week from next Tuesday. |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
I figured there had to be some way to use a garden sprayer,
and adapt it some how, to a garden hose. Maybe a lot of duct tape, and a couple hose clamps. Use that to pump antifreeze into the water lines. Of course, when the house is reoccupied, they would have to flush a bunch of water through the lines, to clear the antifreeze. The water inlet is through the cellar floor. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... Only if the water supply enters the house above all the other pipes, which is an arrangement I don't think is very common on this planet. Now, if you change the word "pour" to "pump", you may have a chance of this discussion ending before a week from next Tuesday. |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
The house in question is in NY. Water supply comes through
the floor, and goes up from there. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "charlie" wrote in message ... huh? for most of the houses in az, the water supply enters about 3' up an outside wall, and all pipes are below the slab except for stubs coming up where there is a valve. |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
The house in question is in NY. Water supply comes through
the floor, and goes up from there. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "charlie" wrote in message ... huh? for most of the houses in az, the water supply enters about 3' up an outside wall, and all pipes are below the slab except for stubs coming up where there is a valve. |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
Now, that's a real life experience field report. Thanks for
the dose of reality. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Tom Horne" wrote in message ... Well as I said earlier the slug of water expands in all directions. Not just the directions in line with the pipes. The pressure that causes is more than enough to fracture stone so the piping has no hope of surviving the experience. Every time the hunters have used the toilets after they were antifreeze treated the toilets break and that is just because the antifreeze is diluted with urine. When they are also fastidious enough to use the sink the S trap breaks. So from experience I can tell you that if the water hard freezes in the trap it will fracture. -- Tom Horne |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
Now, that's a real life experience field report. Thanks for
the dose of reality. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Tom Horne" wrote in message ... Well as I said earlier the slug of water expands in all directions. Not just the directions in line with the pipes. The pressure that causes is more than enough to fracture stone so the piping has no hope of surviving the experience. Every time the hunters have used the toilets after they were antifreeze treated the toilets break and that is just because the antifreeze is diluted with urine. When they are also fastidious enough to use the sink the S trap breaks. So from experience I can tell you that if the water hard freezes in the trap it will fracture. -- Tom Horne |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
All I know is that the traffic kept me from getting to a fishing hole early
enough one day. It's just a 2-lane road leading to that festival. "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... I'm not sure about the Muslim pilgrimage hotels. As to Pageant, yes, I've heard of it. And I've also been in the audience to see it. Rather impressive. Also rather spiritual, and a great way for the church to get the word out. The Spirit of the Lord is strong there, and helps people to decide to join the church. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... They may own hotels, but are they official Muslim hotels, built specifically to cater to a pilgrimage? I don't know. But Mormons have one! Have you ever experienced this amazing show? http://www.hillcumorah.org/Pageant/Default.aspx "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Muslims don't have a hotel? All that money, and no hotel? Well, with the island of Dubai, who needs a hotel. I think they have a bunch of hotels, and corner stores in the US. You know why India women have that dark spot in their forehead? On the wedding night, the groom has to scratch it off, and see if he got a 7-11, a bodega, or a taxicab. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... But the Muslims don't have their own official hotel. So they suck. :-) http://www.palmyrainn.com/ |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
All I know is that the traffic kept me from getting to a fishing hole early
enough one day. It's just a 2-lane road leading to that festival. "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... I'm not sure about the Muslim pilgrimage hotels. As to Pageant, yes, I've heard of it. And I've also been in the audience to see it. Rather impressive. Also rather spiritual, and a great way for the church to get the word out. The Spirit of the Lord is strong there, and helps people to decide to join the church. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... They may own hotels, but are they official Muslim hotels, built specifically to cater to a pilgrimage? I don't know. But Mormons have one! Have you ever experienced this amazing show? http://www.hillcumorah.org/Pageant/Default.aspx "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Muslims don't have a hotel? All that money, and no hotel? Well, with the island of Dubai, who needs a hotel. I think they have a bunch of hotels, and corner stores in the US. You know why India women have that dark spot in their forehead? On the wedding night, the groom has to scratch it off, and see if he got a 7-11, a bodega, or a taxicab. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... But the Muslims don't have their own official hotel. So they suck. :-) http://www.palmyrainn.com/ |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
How many lungs full of air would it take to blow the antifreeze into the
pipes? Let's get all mathy. "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... The house in question is in NY. Water supply comes through the floor, and goes up from there. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "charlie" wrote in message ... huh? for most of the houses in az, the water supply enters about 3' up an outside wall, and all pipes are below the slab except for stubs coming up where there is a valve. |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
How many lungs full of air would it take to blow the antifreeze into the
pipes? Let's get all mathy. "Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... The house in question is in NY. Water supply comes through the floor, and goes up from there. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org . "charlie" wrote in message ... huh? for most of the houses in az, the water supply enters about 3' up an outside wall, and all pipes are below the slab except for stubs coming up where there is a valve. |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:09:38 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: It's an older house, probably 30 plus years old. VERY easy to have saggy horizontals. Is it (typically) easier to pour antifreeze into the pipes, or blow the water out? Pouring antifreeze into the pipes would have the same problem as trying to use gravity alone to drain them. So, do you want easy that doesn't work? In that case, why bother doing anything? Doing nothing would be even easier, and just as effective! |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:09:38 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: It's an older house, probably 30 plus years old. VERY easy to have saggy horizontals. Is it (typically) easier to pour antifreeze into the pipes, or blow the water out? Pouring antifreeze into the pipes would have the same problem as trying to use gravity alone to drain them. So, do you want easy that doesn't work? In that case, why bother doing anything? Doing nothing would be even easier, and just as effective! |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:13 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: That's my concern. Might be horizontal pipes with sags. As long as the low parts are not more than half filled with water they are unlikely to burst. Same goes with traps. If there is only enough water to half fill the bottom of the trap, they usually won't split. |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:36:13 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: That's my concern. Might be horizontal pipes with sags. As long as the low parts are not more than half filled with water they are unlikely to burst. Same goes with traps. If there is only enough water to half fill the bottom of the trap, they usually won't split. |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
Route 21 is two lanes, north and south of the visitor
center. Opens up to 4 lanes, by the visitor center and the Pageant. Sorry it delayed your fishing. It's usually busy only from about 8 PM to midnight. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... All I know is that the traffic kept me from getting to a fishing hole early enough one day. It's just a 2-lane road leading to that festival. Have you ever experienced this amazing show? http://www.hillcumorah.org/Pageant/Default.aspx |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
Route 21 is two lanes, north and south of the visitor
center. Opens up to 4 lanes, by the visitor center and the Pageant. Sorry it delayed your fishing. It's usually busy only from about 8 PM to midnight. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... All I know is that the traffic kept me from getting to a fishing hole early enough one day. It's just a 2-lane road leading to that festival. Have you ever experienced this amazing show? http://www.hillcumorah.org/Pageant/Default.aspx |
Antifreeze - not just for cars
I doubt human lung power would do the job. A pump top garden
sprayer, and some duct tape, and the end off a garden hose, maybe. And a couple hose clamps. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... How many lungs full of air would it take to blow the antifreeze into the pipes? Let's get all mathy. |
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