In article ,
aemeijers wrote:

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

I've pretty much given up on finding any
metric stainless hardware locally

Really? If you live in a city large enough to support a half dozen
machine shops, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a tool and hardware
store dedicated to serving them. It'll be on a dead-end side street in
the industrial part of town. They'll have 100 or 1000 times the hardware
that your average big box has, but of course you'll have to go talk to
the guy at the counter to get it, because it won't be in little plastic
bags hanging on a customer-accessible pegboard.

They have those around here. Open 0700-1600, M-F. Which is fine for
their main customers- Joe Blow civilian buying 20 bucks a year is at
best a nuisance to them anyway. You gotta know exactly what you want
when you walk in, though. Vendors to the trade may tolerate retail
customers, but no hand-holding is offered.


True. But Nate asked about metric stainless. That specificity alone
makes me think he probably knows exactly what he wants. Besides, how
useful is the "hand-holding" you get at the big box?

I'm thrilled that some products are labelled in both French and
English so I can improve my foreign language skills.


Does anybody actually have any evidence that Lowes or Home Depot, when
opening a store, lowers prices to put local competition out of
business, then raises prices? Or is that just what people want to
believe? Because when I bought my house and went to replace the
outlet covers, they were 79 cents at the local hardware store, and a
small fraction of that at HD. They're still pretty inexpensive at
HD. And predatory pricing is very illegal-- and not that hard to
monitor. If HD opens a new store and stuff is cheaper than at their
other stores, then a year later they raise their prices at that store,
well, class-action lawyers live for that sort of behavior by big
companies.



My inventory experience is a bit different from the OP.

I went to HD to buy a bathroom vanity-- the cheap one that's not at
all fancy. None in stock. I asked when they'd be in stock, was told
to go to the Special Order desk. They checked, their computer said
they had a bunch in stock, and until those were sold, they wouldn't
order more. I explained there were NONE on the floor, as confirmed by
an employee in that department. I asked if they could special-order
it, and was told that they can't special order a stock item...

A couple of years later we had a flood and I needed a wet-vac. HD was
out. The nearest Lowes is 40 miles away. But with Lowes you can
order on line and pick up in a store. I figured it couldn't hurt;
their system said the store had two. I called the store, they said if
the computer says two, there are two. I said "At Home Depot..." and
was told "This is NOT Home Depot!"

So I ordered on line, it said I could pick it up the next morning. 7
AM I called the store, not believing they'd have a wet-vac after a
flood in the area (and roads were closed getting to the store, due to
the flooding). I said I paid for a wet-vac on line last night, and
before I could finish my sentence she told me my name and that it was
sitting next to her in the front of the store. Showed up, showed ID,
signed my name, and finished the transaction.

That was Saturday. Monday morning I sold my HD stock and bought Lowes
stock.

Shaun Eli
www.BrainChampagne.com
This posting copyright by Shaun Eli. All rights reserved. Reposting
on other web sites strictly prohibited.

Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(Jon Danniken) says...
When the local Lowes went up earlier this year I stopped by to check it out.
On the front door was a large welcome sign in both English and Spanish.
This theme was repeated throughout the store.

Now I'm pretty sure the last time I checked that this was still America, and
that immigrants to this country should understand English if they wish to
live here. Apparently not to the executives at Lowes.

I walked out of that store within five minutes of walking into it, and I
will never set foot in it again.

Since I speak both English and Spanish, that would be helpful to me, in
that I can brush up on my building supply vocabulary in Spanish.
Unfortunately, the local Lowes is all English, though it was only built
about 5 years ago.

That surprises me. I've been to Lowe's in about five states (north and
south) over the last couple of years (while visiting relatives, and
being drafted to help with projects), and every single one had the
English/Spanish signs. I assumed it was chain-wide.

--
aem sends...

aemeijers wrote:
[...]
.... I've been to Lowe's in about five states (north and
south) over the last couple of years (while visiting relatives, and
being drafted to help with projects), and every single one had the
English/Spanish signs. I assumed it was chain-wide.


I think you are right, it is chain-wide.

What seems odd to me is why there is no outcry about "profiling" - I
mean, I would expect stores operating in the US where English is the
predominant language to use English for their signs, but why target
Mexicans as the "other" shoppers? - that's profiling, plain & simple.
What about Austrian speaking peoples? ("Austrian language" as being
recently discovered by our president).

AL

nada wrote:

I went to Lowe's today to pick up an assortment of materials; a 1
micron water filter, a toilet handle, a tube of butyl calk, a gallon
of Snow Roof, a 3" self-closing RV trailer dump fitting, and a 3x2
curb mount Velux skylight.

I ended up getting the toilet handle. None of the other items were in
stock. What kind of building supply store doesn't stock butyl calk?
Last month I went there looking for a quad 20 breaker, and they didn't
stock those either. The irritating thing is that, when Lowes built
their store, a local building supply went out of business, but I could
buy all the stuff at the local building supply in one stop.

Big Box stores don't come into an area to save you/us money.
After they take the business/ put the local competition out, of business
they raise prices and cut inventory to the fast movers or items that
offer the larger margins of profit. This is one reason that American
made is being made ancient history.
Small harware building supply stores often tried rigorously to carry
American made. people bought it even if it was a little more. The
quality was there, generally. Big Box carries only what it's buyers buy
in China etc in volume. Of course lumber and other things are
exceptions. There is no concern with what we want. We are forced to buy
what they offer because they are the only game in town.

A year or so ago I went to our local lumber/hardware store to look for
an item I had not been able to find anywhere else. While there I
happened across a Stanley "Wonder Bar" with a price tag of $11.xx. I was
surprised, because I already had one at home that I had bought not long
before at Menards (Wisconsin-based regional chain), and I was sure I had
not paid that much for it. In fact it still had the Menards price
sticker on it -- $5.99, and I am sure that I had bought it when it was
on sale, probably for $4.xx. At Lowe's it was $8.xx. I don't recall ever
checking HD's price.

Same item, same "famous" US brand, all made in China, widely differing
prices. Guess why I go the the local lumber/hardware store only as a
last resort.

One day in the electrical aisle at HD I ran into a guy who was checking
marked prices against what turned out to be an invoice from one of
several local "real electrical suppliers." Some items were cheaper at
one, some cheaper at the other.

One of the local Ace Hardware stores carries Benjamin Moore paint only
in gallon cans -- no 5-gallon pails. The other doesn't carry Benjamin
Moore at all -- only the store brand.

Perce

AL wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
[...]
.... I've been to Lowe's in about five states (north and south) over
the last couple of years (while visiting relatives, and being drafted
to help with projects), and every single one had the English/Spanish
signs. I assumed it was chain-wide.


I think you are right, it is chain-wide.

What seems odd to me is why there is no outcry about "profiling" - I
mean, I would expect stores operating in the US where English is the
predominant language to use English for their signs, but why target
Mexicans as the "other" shoppers? - that's profiling, plain & simple.
What about Austrian speaking peoples? ("Austrian language" as being
recently discovered by our president).

AL




The city I live in, Fremont, CA., has over 60 languages and dialects
present. There wouldn't be any room for merchandise if they had to
provide signage for all. Big Grin. I don't even register on the other
language signs anymore. I see the ones I understand and that's about it.

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:41:12 -0700, Doug
wrote:

AL wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
[...]
.... I've been to Lowe's in about five states (north and south) over
the last couple of years (while visiting relatives, and being drafted
to help with projects), and every single one had the English/Spanish
signs. I assumed it was chain-wide.


I think you are right, it is chain-wide.

What seems odd to me is why there is no outcry about "profiling" - I
mean, I would expect stores operating in the US where English is the
predominant language to use English for their signs, but why target
Mexicans as the "other" shoppers? - that's profiling, plain & simple.
What about Austrian speaking peoples? ("Austrian language" as being
recently discovered by our president).

AL




The city I live in, Fremont, CA., has over 60 languages and dialects
present. There wouldn't be any room for merchandise if they had to
provide signage for all. Big Grin. I don't even register on the other
language signs anymore. I see the ones I understand and that's about it.


Are all the Fremont street signs printed in 60 languages too? Or, is
it required to read English to get a driver's license?

Phisherman wrote:

The city I live in, Fremont, CA., has over 60 languages and dialects
present. There wouldn't be any room for merchandise if they had to
provide signage for all. Big Grin. I don't even register on the other
language signs anymore. I see the ones I understand and that's about it.

Are all the Fremont street signs printed in 60 languages too? Or, is
it required to read English to get a driver's license?

ISTR that in So. Cal. about 30 years ago one could take the driver's
license test in any one of a whole list of languages. Isn't the whole
point of "iconic" (pictorial) street signs that one does not need to be
able to read any particular language?

One of the things that struck me when I returned to Australia after
living in California for a few years was that in Australian phone booths
the full instructions were in English on one side of the notice, while
on the other side was something like "For instructions in language
dial number" in ten or a dozen different languages, each language
having its own dedicated number.

The younger generation will normally become fluent in English as long as
the education system is working OK, and their kids probably will know
little or nothing of their grandparents' mother tongue. There's no need
for draconian measures to stamp out all but English.

Perce

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:54:09 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

I've pretty much given up on finding any
metric stainless hardware locally

Really? If you live in a city large enough to support a half dozen
machine shops, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a tool and hardware
store dedicated to serving them. It'll be on a dead-end side street in
the industrial part of town. They'll have 100 or 1000 times the hardware
that your average big box has, but of course you'll have to go talk to
the guy at the counter to get it, because it won't be in little plastic
bags hanging on a customer-accessible pegboard.


I have found a useful inventory of stainless hardware at my local Ace
Hardware store, including metric. Then there are all those marine
chandeleries...

wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:54:09 -0700, Smitty Two
wrote:

In article ,
Nate Nagel wrote:

I've pretty much given up on finding any
metric stainless hardware locally
Really? If you live in a city large enough to support a half dozen
machine shops, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a tool and hardware
store dedicated to serving them. It'll be on a dead-end side street in
the industrial part of town. They'll have 100 or 1000 times the hardware
that your average big box has, but of course you'll have to go talk to
the guy at the counter to get it, because it won't be in little plastic
bags hanging on a customer-accessible pegboard.


I have found a useful inventory of stainless hardware at my local Ace
Hardware store, including metric. Then there are all those marine
chandeleries...


That's the thing, there aren't a half dozen machine shops here, or at
least I don't know where they are. Most of the "industry" around here
is government or IT related (or both.) Chesapeake Marine Fasteners used
to be my go-to place, but they shut their doors a few years ago and West
Marine is a poor substitute. By comparison, McMaster-Carr is quick and
easy, ship lightning fast. Only downside is that they use UPS but I
still have yet to wait more than two days for an order from them.

nate

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wrote:

[....]

Now I'm pretty sure the last time I checked that this was still America, and
that immigrants to this country should understand English if they wish to
live here. Apparently not to the executives at Lowes.

this is america because people from europe got off the boat and wasted
no time learning the languages of the indigenous people of this continent.
instead they set about the task of raping murdering and committing general
genocide against those indigenous people for the purpose of stealing their
lands so as to craft a nation of their own liking. so yes now we have america,
a land of liars, thieves, fornicators, idolaters and covetous extortioners
whose primary concern focuses explicitly on their own needs.



I walked out of that store within five minutes of walking into it, and I
will never set foot in it again.

Jon


Jesus didn't speak English, either.

you mention my saviour and all the unbelievers come out of the woodwork
to put forth their ridicule. so I stop and remember God loves unbelievers
too.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:47:10 -0400, Jim wrote:

wrote:

[....]

Now I'm pretty sure the last time I checked that this was still America, and
that immigrants to this country should understand English if they wish to
live here. Apparently not to the executives at Lowes.

this is america because people from europe got off the boat and wasted
no time learning the languages of the indigenous people of this continent.
instead they set about the task of raping murdering and committing general
genocide against those indigenous people for the purpose of stealing their
lands so as to craft a nation of their own liking. so yes now we have america,
a land of liars, thieves, fornicators, idolaters and covetous extortioners
whose primary concern focuses explicitly on their own needs.


I didn't write the paragraph to which you responded.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
I had much the same impression, the couple time I've been in
Lowe's. I wish people would learn to speak American, which
is noticably different than English.

North America is a continent. The predominant language of North America
is English. Mexico and Central and South America are also part of the
Americas and the language spoken there is predominantly Spanish.
Mexicans and South and Central Americans are speaking "American" too,
just not the language you happen to prefer. They are here to stay, and
their kids are learning to speak fluent English. In a generation or two
they will assimilate just as people of other nationalities have. My
Italian great grandmother never learned English even though she lived
here for over 20 years. My grandmother was fluent in Italian and English
and My father could understand Italian and German, but was only fluent
in English. I can recognize a few words of Italian, only because I took
a latin based language in grade school: Spanish. It doesn't hurt to
broaden your horizons a bit and learn a little bit of another language.
You may be surprised at how well it will serve you some day. America is
a melting pot, people who come here do eventually learn the language, it
doesn't happen immediately, it sometimes takes a generation or two, but
eventually they assimilate.

wrote:

Jim wrote:
wrote:

[....]

Now I'm pretty sure the last time I checked that this was still America, and
that immigrants to this country should understand English if they wish to
live here. Apparently not to the executives at Lowes.

this is america because people from europe got off the boat and wasted
no time learning the languages of the indigenous people of this continent.
instead they set about the task of raping murdering and committing general
genocide against those indigenous people for the purpose of stealing their
lands so as to craft a nation of their own liking. so yes now we have america,
a land of liars, thieves, fornicators, idolaters and covetous extortioners
whose primary concern focuses explicitly on their own needs.


I didn't write the paragraph to which you responded.

I'm well aware of that because the attributes make it clearly obvious
to me who wrote what and in what order they were written.

The version of English spoken in the USA, I call American.
Of course, there are regional accents and word usage within
the Americn language.

Some politicians have changed the USA from "melting pot" to
"salad bowl" where communities refuse to blend in. I think
that's a shame.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Grizzly" wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
I had much the same impression, the couple time I've been
in
Lowe's. I wish people would learn to speak American, which
is noticably different than English.

North America is a continent. The predominant language of
North America
is English. Mexico and Central and South America are also
part of the
Americas and the language spoken there is predominantly
Spanish.
Mexicans and South and Central Americans are speaking
"American" too,
just not the language you happen to prefer. They are here to
stay, and
their kids are learning to speak fluent English. In a
generation or two
they will assimilate just as people of other nationalities
have. My
Italian great grandmother never learned English even though
she lived
here for over 20 years. My grandmother was fluent in Italian
and English
and My father could understand Italian and German, but was
only fluent
in English. I can recognize a few words of Italian, only
because I took
a latin based language in grade school: Spanish. It doesn't
hurt to
broaden your horizons a bit and learn a little bit of
another language.
You may be surprised at how well it will serve you some day.
America is
a melting pot, people who come here do eventually learn the
language, it
doesn't happen immediately, it sometimes takes a generation
or two, but
eventually they assimilate.

On Sep 13, 1:03*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,





*aemeijers wrote:
Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
*Nate Nagel wrote:

I've pretty much given up on finding any
metric stainless hardware locally

Really? If you live in a city large enough to support a half dozen
machine shops, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a tool and hardware
store dedicated to serving them. It'll be on a dead-end side street in
the industrial part of town. They'll have 100 or 1000 times the hardware
that your average big box has, but of course you'll have to go talk to
the guy at the counter to get it, because it won't be in little plastic
bags hanging on a customer-accessible pegboard.

They have those around here. Open 0700-1600, M-F. Which is fine for
their main customers- Joe Blow civilian buying 20 bucks a year is at
best a nuisance to them anyway. You gotta know exactly what you want
when you walk in, though. Vendors to the trade may tolerate retail
customers, but no hand-holding is offered.

True. But Nate asked about metric stainless. That specificity alone
makes me think he probably knows exactly what he wants. Besides, how
useful is the "hand-holding" you get at the big box?

heh. true dat.

Current strategy has been to simply buy the longest fully-threaded
screws in the sizes that I need (generally either M5 or M6, button
head or socket head) from McM-C and cut to length when fitting. Works
OK, so long as you have a set of dies to clean up the threads after
cutting. So theoretically all I need to "stock" is four different cap
screws, two sizes of washers, and two sizes of nylocs, and that takes
care of 90% of my bicycle accessory fitting needs.

What'd be really helpful, if I were doing this professionally and not
as a hobby, would be if someone made a screw cutter for M5x0.8 and
M6x1.0 kind of like the ones that are built into some crimp tools.
but for all the more I need to do this a hacksaw, file, and die works
fine.

But then there's weird stuff like pedal threads (9/16" but neither NC
or NF, and the left side is left hand thread) and derailleur hanger
bolts (I think 10mm, but not a pitch that is in my standard tap and
die set...)

nate

On Sep 12, 6:08*pm, Larry Caldwell
wrote:
I went to Lowe's today to pick up an assortment of materials; a 1 micron
water filter, a toilet handle, a tube of butyl calk, a gallon of Snow
Roof, a 3" self-closing RV trailer dump fitting, and a 3x2 curb mount
Velux skylight.

I ended up getting the toilet handle. *None of the other items were in
stock. *What kind of building supply store doesn't stock butyl calk?
Last month I went there looking for a quad 20 breaker, and they didn't
stock those either. *The irritating thing is that, when Lowes built
their store, a local building supply went out of business, but I could
buy all the stuff at the local building supply in one stop. *
--
For email, replace firstnamelastinitial
with my first name and last initial.

The Lowes here has no lumber over 10 feet long, so I have little
reason to ever go to Lowes.

On Sep 13, 7:27*am, aemeijers wrote:
Phisherman wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:58:37 -0700, Larry Caldwell
wrote:

In article , nada (nada
) says...

Big Box stores don't come into an area to save you/us money.
After they take the business/ put the local competition out, of business
they raise prices and cut inventory to the fast movers or items that
offer the larger margins of profit. This is one reason that American
made is being made ancient history.
Small harware building supply stores often tried rigorously to carry
American made. people bought it even if it was a little more. The
quality was there, generally. Big Box carries only what it's buyers buy
in China etc in volume. Of course lumber and other things are
exceptions. There is no concern with what we want. We are forced to buy
what they offer because they are the only game in town.
The big box stores didn't put the lumber yards out of business, but the
lumber yards around here close on weekends and at 5:30 PM. *One yard
used to be the Saturday morning meeting place for hundreds of men in the
county, but too many weekend tinkerers go to the big box stores, so that
business is gone. *

I don't know anyone who buys lumber from the big box stores. *They carry
some specialty items, like 3/16 planed box stock, that is hard to find
anywhere else, but for studs, rafters, TJ-Is and trusses, a lumber yard
is the place to go, if you can't go directly to the truss manufacturer.. *

One time I went to 84 Lumber and needed to buy several 2x4s. * As I
sorted thorugh the boards associate approached me and said, "You can't
do that!" * Hugh? He stated that I picked the best ones there would be
a useless pile of warped, waned, split, and twisted boards left. * HD
or Lowes never does that. *Guess who went out of business?

Agreed, at the end 84 was also pretty sad, and carried a very limited
line. Our 84 went away shortly after Menards opened up across the street
from Lowes. No traditional full-line yards left near here, just a couple
boutique places that specialize in high-end doors/windows or fancy
millwork, and only have a small supply of normal stuff. I assume they
survive on M-F crack-of-dawn business from the trade, because during the
few hours they are open when I can shop there, the parking lots are
always empty. A regional franchise, 'The Yard', tried to open up here a
few years ago. Selection was slanted to rural country folk houses or
pole barns, and prices were on the high side, but at least the small
showroom smelled like a real lumberyard. They went away when the
money-lenders imploded last year. I miss the Wolohans we used to have.
They tried to match the selection Lowes had on decorator frou-frou, and
cut back their selection of actual building materials, and the real
builders quit going there. They had been like a traditional yard, in an
industrial area and all, but they weren't that old. I think they were
the ones that made the local ma'n'pa yards that stored their framing
lumber in outside racks go under or become boutique specialty yards.

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Menards is a killer store, great prices, every length and type of
lumber imaginable, whole house kits, garage kits, shed kits, very
complete departments in all the other building and decorating
trades.... And you can fit 2 HD's and 2 Lowes stores inside the
Menards around here. Farm and Fleet is pretty good too, if I cant
find something anywhere else F and F will often have it.

Larry Caldwell wrote:
I went to Lowe's today to pick up an assortment of materials; a 1 micron
water filter, a toilet handle, a tube of butyl calk, a gallon of Snow
Roof, a 3" self-closing RV trailer dump fitting, and a 3x2 curb mount
Velux skylight.

I ended up getting the toilet handle. None of the other items were in
stock. What kind of building supply store doesn't stock butyl calk?
Last month I went there looking for a quad 20 breaker, and they didn't
stock those either. The irritating thing is that, when Lowes built
their store, a local building supply went out of business, but I could
buy all the stuff at the local building supply in one stop.

That's just one of the reasons I try to give my business to a locally
owned retail. We have electrical and plumbing supply dealers as well
as a local building supply store that delivers things too big for my
vehicle at no extra cost within a day or two. Sid's hardware store
is open on Sunday and has a very good inventory of electrical and
plumbing parts -- enough to handle anything I'd actually need on a
Sunday emergency. For electrical stuff I don't feel comfortable doing
myself there are Charlie and Gil (Charlie also runs network cables)
and for plumbing there's Rolf all of whom tend to have an amazing supply
of items in their possession on a daily basis.

LowesDepot is for looking around and getting ideas.

--
Always remember that it is impossible to speak in such
a way that you cannot be misunderstood: there will always
be some who misunderstand you.

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:35:53 -0400, Jim wrote:

wrote:

Jim wrote:
wrote:
[....]
Now I'm pretty sure the last time I checked that this was still America, and
that immigrants to this country should understand English if they wish to
live here. Apparently not to the executives at Lowes.
this is america because people from europe got off the boat and wasted
no time learning the languages of the indigenous people of this continent.
instead they set about the task of raping murdering and committing general
genocide against those indigenous people for the purpose of stealing their
lands so as to craft a nation of their own liking. so yes now we have america,
a land of liars, thieves, fornicators, idolaters and covetous extortioners
whose primary concern focuses explicitly on their own needs.

I didn't write the paragraph to which you responded.
I'm well aware of that because the attributes make it clearly obvious
to me who wrote what and in what order they were written.

You did it wrong and made it look as if I wrote that. Please learn to
attribute correctly.


I think the problem is that when you start getting the indents too deep
you may be responding to a paragraph written earlier in the thread but
your software just thinks that the actual post is the one that said it.

I made the same mistake last week -- much to my chagrin.


--
"America itself is a one-party state.
But with typical American extravagance,
you have two of them."

Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(Jon Danniken) says...
When the local Lowes went up earlier this year I stopped by to check it out.
On the front door was a large welcome sign in both English and Spanish.
This theme was repeated throughout the store.

Now I'm pretty sure the last time I checked that this was still America, and
that immigrants to this country should understand English if they wish to
live here. Apparently not to the executives at Lowes.

I walked out of that store within five minutes of walking into it, and I
will never set foot in it again.

Since I speak both English and Spanish, that would be helpful to me, in
that I can brush up on my building supply vocabulary in Spanish.
Unfortunately, the local Lowes is all English, though it was only built
about 5 years ago.

We had a Lowes that was about 10 years old. They built a newer one a little
ways away where they could make it bigger (and by chance be right across the
road from where Home Depot was putting in a store). The new Lowes had the
bilingual signs. My guess is that they're made in bulk -- and shipped to the
stores as needed.

I was very happy to have the large Spanish speaking population in Texas when
I was there -- made it much easier to find good Mexican food than where I
live now. I also see no reason to blame the people who are providing cheap
labor to corporate America right here in the USA. It saves them the cost of
shipping those jobs overseas and increases shareholder equity.

--
No patriarchal institution has acquired greater legal
entitlement than has the giant corporation. When We
the People try to eliminate the corporation's power
over us, we are told we're taking away their "rights."
And indeed, legislative and judicial establishments
have given corporations a legal claim to such authority.

In article 0087e6ea-86fa-4e8b-9540-bb74977cec89
@d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com, (N8N) says...

But then there's weird stuff like pedal threads (9/16" but neither NC
or NF, and the left side is left hand thread) and derailleur hanger
bolts (I think 10mm, but not a pitch that is in my standard tap and
die set...)

You need a small lathe with good gearing. You can cut any thread on a
lathe.

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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:16:02 -0400, Elmo wrote:
wrote:

You did it wrong and made it look as if I wrote that. Please learn to
attribute correctly.


I think the problem is that when you start getting the indents too deep
you may be responding to a paragraph written earlier in the thread but
your software just thinks that the actual post is the one that said it.

I made the same mistake last week -- much to my chagrin.


There is almost never a need to quote past two levels of attribution.

In article ,
(Grizzly) says...

They are here to stay, and
their kids are learning to speak fluent English. In a generation or two
they will assimilate just as people of other nationalities have. My
Italian great grandmother never learned English even though she lived
here for over 20 years. My grandmother was fluent in Italian and English
and My father could understand Italian and German, but was only fluent
in English.

My mother's parents spoke German at home until WWI, when it became
dangerous to speak German. Their church switched to English services at
the same time. And yes, both of them were born in America.

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In article
,
N8N wrote:


Current strategy has been to simply buy the longest fully-threaded
screws in the sizes that I need (generally either M5 or M6, button
head or socket head) from McM-C and cut to length when fitting. Works
OK, so long as you have a set of dies to clean up the threads after
cutting. So theoretically all I need to "stock" is four different cap
screws, two sizes of washers, and two sizes of nylocs, and that takes
care of 90% of my bicycle accessory fitting needs.



If you're going to do much bolt cutting, you might consider a bench
grinder with an abrasive cut-off disc on one side and a scotch-brite
buffing wheel on the other. Put a nut on the bolt before you cut it,
buff the end after you cut it, and test the end by removing the nut. No
die needed.

AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:16:02 -0400, Elmo wrote:
wrote:
You did it wrong and made it look as if I wrote that. Please learn to
attribute correctly.


I think the problem is that when you start getting the indents too deep
you may be responding to a paragraph written earlier in the thread but
your software just thinks that the actual post is the one that said it.

I made the same mistake last week -- much to my chagrin.


There is almost never a need to quote past two levels of attribution.

While I would agree, there is a school of thought that runs contrary to
my bandwidth conservation approach and insists on quoting the entire
previous post in all its glory regardless of any appeals to sanity. I
think it was started by a top-posting, cross-posting [your epithet of
choice here].

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They're locking them up today they're throwing away the key
I wonder who it'll be tomorrow you or me.

Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article ,
(Grizzly) says...

They are here to stay, and
their kids are learning to speak fluent English. In a generation or two
they will assimilate just as people of other nationalities have. My
Italian great grandmother never learned English even though she lived
here for over 20 years. My grandmother was fluent in Italian and English
and My father could understand Italian and German, but was only fluent
in English.

My mother's parents spoke German at home until WWI, when it became
dangerous to speak German. Their church switched to English services at
the same time. And yes, both of them were born in America.


That's what happened to the Pennsylvania Dutch speakers in my area.
This was a group distinct from the Amish (who still use a dialect of
German) who continued to speak "Dutch" until the same time. There
are remnants in the local dialect of English which eschews the use
of "to be". Instead of saying something "needs to be done" it simply
"needs done". Also the use of "let" and "leave" such that when the
dog is inside and needs to go outside you "leave the dog out" while
when the dog is already outside and you wish it to remain there then
you "let the dog out". And as I have said many times, if John Lennon
had been born around here the song title would have been "Leave it Be".

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a way that you cannot be misunderstood: there will always
be some who misunderstand you.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:57:53 -0400, Elmo wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:16:02 -0400, Elmo wrote:
wrote:
You did it wrong and made it look as if I wrote that. Please learn to
attribute correctly.


I think the problem is that when you start getting the indents too deep
you may be responding to a paragraph written earlier in the thread but
your software just thinks that the actual post is the one that said it.

I made the same mistake last week -- much to my chagrin.


There is almost never a need to quote past two levels of attribution.

While I would agree, there is a school of thought that runs contrary to
my bandwidth conservation approach and insists on quoting the entire
previous post in all its glory regardless of any appeals to sanity. I
think it was started by a top-posting, cross-posting [your epithet of
choice here].

If I have to scroll past more than two screens before I see any added content,
I plonk the sender and move on.

wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:35:53 -0400, Jim wrote:

wrote:

Jim wrote:
wrote:
[....]
Now I'm pretty sure the last time I checked that this was still America, and
that immigrants to this country should understand English if they wish to
live here. Apparently not to the executives at Lowes.
this is america because people from europe got off the boat and wasted
no time learning the languages of the indigenous people of this continent.
instead they set about the task of raping murdering and committing general
genocide against those indigenous people for the purpose of stealing their
lands so as to craft a nation of their own liking. so yes now we have america,
a land of liars, thieves, fornicators, idolaters and covetous extortioners
whose primary concern focuses explicitly on their own needs.

I didn't write the paragraph to which you responded.
I'm well aware of that because the attributes make it clearly obvious
to me who wrote what and in what order they were written.

You did it wrong and made it look as if I wrote that. Please learn to
attribute correctly.




You are correct - I've been watching to see if jimmie would ever admit
to his blunder. He is notorious for screwing up attributes. I suspect he
does it on purpose to **** off people who say things he doesn't like,
but it may simply be he is too simple to understand or too lazy to care.
The message he attributed to you and responded to was not yours, but
save yourself the aggravation of discussing it further - just think of
the "wrestling a pig analogy"...

AL

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:22:59 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

I had much the same impression, the couple time I've been in
Lowe's. I wish people would learn to speak American, which
is noticably different than English.


http://www.wfsb.com/family/20910122/detail.html

AZ Nomad wrote:

Elmo wrote:
wrote:

You did it wrong and made it look as if I wrote that. Please learn to
attribute correctly.


I think the problem is that when you start getting the indents too deep
you may be responding to a paragraph written earlier in the thread but
your software just thinks that the actual post is the one that said it.

I made the same mistake last week -- much to my chagrin.

There is almost never a need to quote past two levels of attribution.

salty is not familiar with the technique I utilized to remove the
attributes of certain posters while at the same time not removing
their text. The technique is used for brevity in order to shorten
the post while maintaining conciseness of expression.

salty, if you go back and look at the post in question you will
observe how the attribute markers clearly identify the words you
said as the words you said as well as how there is no attribute
remaining for other words reposted you did not say.

I'm not arguing the point any further due to the fact you may be
using a newsreader which uses indentations rather than actual
attribute markers.

Elmo wrote:

wrote:
Jim wrote:
wrote:
Jim wrote:
wrote:
[....]
Now I'm pretty sure the last time I checked that this was still America, and
that immigrants to this country should understand English if they wish to
live here. Apparently not to the executives at Lowes.

this is america because people from europe got off the boat and wasted
no time learning the languages of the indigenous people of this continent.
instead they set about the task of raping murdering and committing general
genocide against those indigenous people for the purpose of stealing their
lands so as to craft a nation of their own liking. so yes now we have america,
a land of liars, thieves, fornicators, idolaters and covetous extortioners
whose primary concern focuses explicitly on their own needs.

I didn't write the paragraph to which you responded.

I'm well aware of that because the attributes make it clearly obvious
to me who wrote what and in what order they were written.

You did it wrong and made it look as if I wrote that. Please learn to
attribute correctly.


I think the problem is that when you start getting the indents too deep
you may be responding to a paragraph written earlier in the thread but
your software just thinks that the actual post is the one that said it.

I made the same mistake last week -- much to my chagrin.

but then you Elmo, being astute alert and capable were actually able
to make the realization on your own. I really do not mind restating
how I respect and admire you Elmo for the corrective action you by
your own determination chose to pursue. unique, rather. hi Ann...

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:36:50 -0400, Jim wrote:

AZ Nomad wrote:

Elmo wrote:
wrote:

You did it wrong and made it look as if I wrote that. Please learn to
attribute correctly.


I think the problem is that when you start getting the indents too deep
you may be responding to a paragraph written earlier in the thread but
your software just thinks that the actual post is the one that said it.

I made the same mistake last week -- much to my chagrin.

There is almost never a need to quote past two levels of attribution.

salty is not familiar with the technique I utilized to remove the
attributes of certain posters while at the same time not removing
their text. The technique is used for brevity in order to shorten
the post while maintaining conciseness of expression.

salty, if you go back and look at the post in question you will
observe how the attribute markers clearly identify the words you
said as the words you said as well as how there is no attribute
remaining for other words reposted you did not say.

I'm not arguing the point any further due to the fact you may be
using a newsreader which uses indentations rather than actual
attribute markers.

So, in addition top doing it completely wrong, you also admit that you
don't know how to do something as simple as look at headers to see
what newsreader I am using.

You Posted my name followed by something that I DID NOT WRITE.

Your excuses are meaningless. You ****ed up, and quite badly by usenet
standards. It's bad form to do what you did. Done deliberately, as you
insist it was, it's a form of lying.

you are forgiven because that is what Jesus would do
in any language He so desired to speak.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:43:18 -0400, Jim wrote:
you are forgiven because that is what Jesus would do
in any language He so desired to speak.

Take it to alt.christian.****heads.

Jim wrote:

[...]

salty is not familiar with the technique I utilized to remove the
attributes of certain posters while at the same time not removing
their text. The technique is used for brevity in order to shorten
the post while maintaining conciseness of expression.


Then you are wrong. If you are going to delete any attribute, then
delete them all, and simply respond to the anonymous text. But your
argument that deleting some attributes while leaving other makes it more
concise is bull****. One line attributes do not represent a burden to
the reader and it maintains the integrity of the thread. What you do is
dishonest.


[...]

I'm not arguing the point any further due to the fact...

Due to the fact you are aware what you are doing is dishonest, but
that's just the kind of guy you are, jimmie.

On Sep 14, 8:36*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
The version of English spoken in the USA, I call American.
Of course, there are regional accents and word usage within
the Americn language.

Some politicians have changed the USA from "melting pot" to
"salad bowl" where communities refuse to blend in. I think
that's a shame.

I prefer "stew". Everything contributes a little flavor to the entire
dish, everything takes on a little flavor from the other ingredients,
and things tend to keep some of their own character. Much
more interesting than blenderizing everything to a homogeneous
mush.

Cindy Hamilton

Well, the Book of Mormon is in 100 plus languages, so that's
nothing new. We also have Spanish speaking congregations in
the US. Wish they would teach American, instead of making
the church cater to Spanish speakers.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:22:59 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

I had much the same impression, the couple time I've been
in
Lowe's. I wish people would learn to speak American, which
is noticably different than English.


http://www.wfsb.com/family/20910122/detail.html

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:09:34 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Well, the Book of Mormon is in 100 plus languages, so that's
nothing new. We also have Spanish speaking congregations in
the US. Wish they would teach American, instead of making
the church cater to Spanish speakers.

Why do you even go to church? It's obvious you disagree with one of
the core principles. Forget church, and join a white supremacist cult.
Then you'll be among those who think just like you.

Oh, wow. I feel the urge to bear my testimony. Stand back
everyone!

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


wrote in message
...
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:09:34 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Well, the Book of Mormon is in 100 plus languages, so
that's
nothing new. We also have Spanish speaking congregations in
the US. Wish they would teach American, instead of making
the church cater to Spanish speakers.

Why do you even go to church? It's obvious you disagree with
one of
the core principles. Forget church, and join a white
supremacist cult.
Then you'll be among those who think just like you.