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mower won't turn over
my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new
battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj |
mower won't turn over
"cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj I would put the battery on a charger. While I was waiting for the battery to charge I would clean all connections. Is there a starting solenoid? |
mower won't turn over
"cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression |
mower won't turn over
"cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. It has a fairly low center of gravity by design. Get a neighbor or two to help you lift one side and you can get it over. If you can park sideways on a hill, it is much easier. |
mower won't turn over
"RBM" wrote in :
"cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. |
mower won't turn over
Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug
and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. My thoughts exactly. Thats what happened to my Agway ride-on mower. The motor would not even crank. When I pulled the plug it was all flooded with gas. let it dry a bit, put the plug back and it fired up. |
mower won't turn over
On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 12:56:43 -0400, cj wrote:
my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Did you try to jump it? Getting a spark? Spark plug clean and gapped to spec? Inspect spark plug wires? Check/change oil? Bad gas? Following the recommended maintenance schedule? |
mower won't turn over
On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 13:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Mike rock
wrote: Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. My thoughts exactly. Thats what happened to my Agway ride-on mower. The motor would not even crank. When I pulled the plug it was all flooded with gas. let it dry a bit, put the plug back and it fired up. Called a "flooded cylinder" (my learning). Generally it means the carb float has "sunk" (tiny hole) or is stuck open. With the plug out, piston top dead center, strike a match from a distance and ignite the fumes in the cylinder. Dry's the flood right up. Fix the float. YMMV |
mower won't turn over
On Sep 6, 1:23*pm, Red Green wrote:
"RBM" wrote : "cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. But if it flooded from the carb often oil level is up because its full of gas, then oil is worthless a motor can be ruined with gas diluted oil, gasolene doesnt lubricate. |
mower won't turn over
Insert hands under edge and lift. You should be able to flip it. If it's
real heavy, get some help. Really. Eliminate things as suggested, except the match and gas thing. When checking the plug, I have always engaged the help of a relative to hold the plug wire, but I'm running out of ones who want to help me. Steve |
mower won't turn over
On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 15:33:36 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote: When checking the plug, I have always engaged the help of a relative to hold the plug wire, but I'm running out of ones who want to help me. They learned fast. "My mower won't shut off, just **** on the spark plug ". Damn how fast people can run! |
mower won't turn over
On Sep 6, 5:04*pm, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 15:33:36 -0600, "SteveB" wrote: When checking the plug, I have always engaged the help of a relative to hold the plug wire, but I'm running out of ones who want to help me. They learned fast. "My mower won't shut off, just **** on the spark plug ". *Damn how fast people can run! I saw someone **** on an electric fence, that was funny. |
mower won't turn over
ransley wrote in
: On Sep 6, 1:23*pm, Red Green wrote: "RBM" wrote : "cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. But if it flooded from the carb often oil level is up because its full of gas, then oil is worthless a motor can be ruined with gas diluted oil, gasolene doesnt lubricate. Yea well, let's not depress the hell out of the OP. Hopefully something simple. Hey, I had a bad motor in an old pickup once. Good news was it then got 400 miles to the gallon...of oil. |
mower won't turn over
On Sep 6, 2:25*pm, ransley wrote:
On Sep 6, 1:23*pm, Red Green wrote: "RBM" wrote : "cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. But if it flooded from the carb often oil level is up because its full of gas, then oil is worthless a motor can be ruined with gas diluted oil, gasolene doesnt lubricate.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, my old Ryobi (rebadged MTD) flooded teh cylinder with enought to hydrolock plus filled crankcase with gas. Harry K |
mower won't turn over
On Sep 7, 9:01*am, harry k wrote:
On Sep 6, 2:25*pm, ransley wrote: On Sep 6, 1:23*pm, Red Green wrote: "RBM" wrote : "cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. But if it flooded from the carb often oil level is up because its full of gas, then oil is worthless a motor can be ruined with gas diluted oil, gasolene doesnt lubricate.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, my old Ryobi (rebadged MTD) flooded teh cylinder with enought to hydrolock plus filled crankcase with gas. Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A friends gen did that, I pulled the plug, pulled the cord and I swear gas shot out 10ft out the plug hole, the crankcase was about completely full of gas, a 1$ inline fuel filter probably would have avoided this. Im suprised how most equipment lack inline filters as standard. |
mower won't turn over
Red Green wrote:
"RBM" wrote in : "cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. i pulled the plug a a ton of gas shot out when i cranked it over...so that means a bad float? what do you mean when you say the carb is hosed up? on the bottom of my float there is some sort of sensor two wire, one black one white thanks, cj |
mower won't turn over
On Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:50:48 -0500, Red Green
wrote: ransley wrote in : On Sep 6, 1:23Â*pm, Red Green wrote: "RBM" wrote : "cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. But if it flooded from the carb often oil level is up because its full of gas, then oil is worthless a motor can be ruined with gas diluted oil, gasolene doesnt lubricate. Yea well, let's not depress the hell out of the OP. Hopefully something simple. Hey, I had a bad motor in an old pickup once. Good news was it then got 400 miles to the gallon...of oil. A good friend could not get his Honda mower to turn over this spring and called me over to take a look. He had never cleaned out the deck, and a "wad" of dried chewed up grass had flaked loose from the deck, jamming the blade. A few minutes with a dull stich had the deck cleaned out and it has started and run just fine ever since. |
mower won't turn over
cj wrote in
: Red Green wrote: "RBM" wrote in : "cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. i pulled the plug a a ton of gas shot out when i cranked it over...so that means a bad float? what do you mean when you say the carb is hosed up? on the bottom of my float there is some sort of sensor two wire, one black one white thanks, cj Probably could mean a few things. I'll leave those possibilities to those who have solved that type of problem via nitty gritty digging. The times I've had carb problems I tend to just get a rebuild kit and a can of carb cleaner. Sometimes see the cause when I take it apart and sometimes not but the rebuild and cleaning takes care of it. Or you could get a replacement carb and be done with it. Either way, change the oil before trying to run it again. As Ransley said, oil is likely diluted with gas. Will quickly ruin bearings and then some if run as is. Don't know what those wires are for. I'm sure someone has input. |
mower won't turn over
Sounds like time to get the volt ohm meter out. Check the
volts at the battery, while turning the starter. Jump it to get the mower running, check the battery voltage with the machine running. That kind of test. Fairly basic. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj |
mower won't turn over
On Sep 7, 8:33*am, ransley wrote:
On Sep 7, 9:01*am, harry k wrote: On Sep 6, 2:25*pm, ransley wrote: On Sep 6, 1:23*pm, Red Green wrote: "RBM" wrote : "cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. But if it flooded from the carb often oil level is up because its full of gas, then oil is worthless a motor can be ruined with gas diluted oil, gasolene doesnt lubricate.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, my old Ryobi (rebadged MTD) flooded teh cylinder with enought to hydrolock plus filled crankcase with gas. Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A friends gen did that, I pulled the plug, pulled the cord and I swear gas shot out 10ft out the plug hole, the crankcase was about completely full of gas, a 1$ inline fuel filter probably would have avoided this. Im suprised how most equipment lack inline filters as standard.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I diagnosed the problem when it wouldn't turn over (saw gas on dipstick). Pulled plut and made sure the plug wire could not spark. Changed oil and then hit the starter - let it roll for many seconds to clear it out. Problem was the usual 'stuck float valve'. ??? Why would an inline filter prevent it? It is just a porous filter andgas should flow through it, perhaps not as fast as an unobstructd line but... Harry K |
mower won't turn over
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:18:25 -0700 (PDT), harry k
wrote: On Sep 7, 8:33Â*am, ransley wrote: On Sep 7, 9:01Â*am, harry k wrote: On Sep 6, 2:25Â*pm, ransley wrote: On Sep 6, 1:23Â*pm, Red Green wrote: "RBM" wrote : "cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. But if it flooded from the carb often oil level is up because its full of gas, then oil is worthless a motor can be ruined with gas diluted oil, gasolene doesnt lubricate.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, my old Ryobi (rebadged MTD) flooded teh cylinder with enought to hydrolock plus filled crankcase with gas. Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A friends gen did that, I pulled the plug, pulled the cord and I swear gas shot out 10ft out the plug hole, the crankcase was about completely full of gas, a 1$ inline fuel filter probably would have avoided this. Im suprised how most equipment lack inline filters as standard.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I diagnosed the problem when it wouldn't turn over (saw gas on dipstick). Pulled plut and made sure the plug wire could not spark. Changed oil and then hit the starter - let it roll for many seconds to clear it out. Problem was the usual 'stuck float valve'. ??? Why would an inline filter prevent it? It is just a porous filter andgas should flow through it, perhaps not as fast as an unobstructd line but... Harry K It would keep the crap out of the float valve - most common cause of "stuck" float valve. |
mower won't turn over
On Sep 7, 9:25*pm, Red Green wrote:
Don't know what those wires are for. I'm sure someone has input. - Some mowers have a fuel shutoff solenoid mounted on the carb. Turn off the key and it shuts off the fuel. Supposedly it eliminates chugging/ running after you turn the motor off - although I don't know exactly how it does it. |
mower won't turn over
On Sep 8, 6:25*pm, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:18:25 -0700 (PDT), harry k wrote: On Sep 7, 8:33*am, ransley wrote: On Sep 7, 9:01*am, harry k wrote: On Sep 6, 2:25*pm, ransley wrote: On Sep 6, 1:23*pm, Red Green wrote: "RBM" wrote : "cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. when i turn the key it seems like the battery doesnt have enough 'umph' to get the motor spinning...i have the correct cold cranking amps for the size motor.also, am i correct in assuming that when the motor is running that the battery is getting charged.. the mower is about 4 years old.. thanks, cj Maybe dead battery, or bad starter. Try jumping it, or pull the plug and see if it will turn over without compression And if when you crank it with the plug out, it cranks fine and gas shoots out of the plug hole then the carb is hosed up. Fluids don't compress easily. But if it flooded from the carb often oil level is up because its full of gas, then oil is worthless a motor can be ruined with gas diluted oil, gasolene doesnt lubricate.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yep, my old Ryobi (rebadged MTD) flooded teh cylinder with enought to hydrolock plus filled crankcase with gas. Harry K- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A friends gen did that, I pulled the plug, pulled the cord and I swear gas shot out 10ft out the plug hole, the crankcase was about completely full of gas, a 1$ inline fuel filter probably would have avoided this. Im suprised how most equipment lack inline filters as standard.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I diagnosed the problem when it wouldn't turn over (saw gas on dipstick). *Pulled plut and made sure the plug wire could not spark. Changed oil and then hit the starter - let it roll for many seconds to clear it out. *Problem was the usual 'stuck float valve'. ??? Why would an inline filter prevent it? *It is just a porous filter andgas should flow through it, perhaps not as fast as an unobstructd line but... Harry K *It would keep the crap out of the float valve - most common cause of "stuck" float valve.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But that is what happened to mine. Stuck float valve and it did have an in'line. Harry K |
mower won't turn over
Ed Pawlowski;3014178 Wrote: "cj" wrote in message ... my 42" MTD mower with a 17hp. motor won't turn over..new starter, new battery. It has a fairly low center of gravity by design. Get a neighbor or two to help you lift one side and you can get it over. If you can park sideways on a hill, it is much easier. Be sure to tie it up!!! Last summer a young friend did something like this - had it jacked up and was working on it. But he did not tie it up. Thing fell on him. His dad found his dead body with a broken neck! He was only 19. -- Dymphna Message origin: www.TRAVEL.com |
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