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Two weeks ago I wrote about my trials and tribulations regarding a
toilet that wouldn't flush any solids.

After reading all of the suggestions, I figured it would be easier to
just replace the toilet and see what happens.

My plumber indirectly suggested that I do my own plumbing from now on by
handing me a choker of a bill for the last job so went to Home Despot to
look at the toilets with the intention of installing it myself.

I found one that grabbed my eye: "Virtually guaranteed to flush a
bucket of golf balls" (note the operative word 'virtually'). Rated a
'10' on the flush scale (seriously). An American Standard (made in
Mexico) Champion 4 toilet. About $140 on sale.

The bottom part must have weighed just a wee less than myself. I nearly
broke my back getting it upstairs.

Okay, having never replaced a toilet before I approached the job with
much trepidation. I had outlined a battle plan days in advance. I read
all of the instructions many times. I bought all the necessary
equipment. I was ready for action.

The day before I replaced the toilet, I flushed the toilet (no solid
wastes at all) and it overflowed massively. As there was no caulking
around the trim work, the water I wasn't able to vacuum up with a
Floormate came down through the floor and stained the living room
ceiling. Another project for another day.

The old toilet came off easily. As expected, with no children or pets,
I found nothing in the drain.

I noticed that the bolts that attach the toilet to the floor came off
fairly easily so I figured out that the goal was to tighten the bolts
just enough but no so much that the pressure breaks the fixture. When I
attached the toilet, I used a small wrench and didn't apply any
significant torque.

After several hours, I completed the task. Of course, now that I've
installed a toilet, I can smugly tell everyone that it's so easy, simple
and quick to replace a toilet. The next toilet will take less than an
hour to replace. If I was bigger, I could do it faster.

After assembling, I anxiously turned the water on looking for leaks.
Initially there wasn't any but after flushing the toilet a few times I
noticed that some dripping coming from the tank. I hadn't tighten down
the tank enough because I was terrified of cracking something. A few
more turns and the dripping disappeared.

Now for the litmus test: Will the toilet flush solid wastes or not?
Since there was no immediate demand to fulfill that task, I resorted to
placing a large bunch of old wet clumps of paper in the toilet. 99.99%
flushed down. There is no flapper with this toilet and it acts very
differently than any other toilet I've ever seen. It seems that a quick
press on the lever is sufficient for non-solid wastes and holding the
lever for an extra second or two does the trick for solid wastes. I
don't know if that's by design or not. There's nothing in the
instructions to suggest that it's a design feature. Anyway, the toilet
flushes quickly and it seems that the water is pressurized. It doesn't
have that forever swirling action. Just a quick "whoomp" and it's gone.
I'm going to replace another toilet (that must have cost $50 10 years
ago and built for young children since it's so tiny) to see if the
toilet flushes in the same manner or if the replaced toilet doesn't have
enough venting.

Aside from the time, I saved myself about $150 in labor costs and
received an education.

Stay tuned for more of my exciting adventures in toilets.

Suggested uses for recycling old fixtures. My neighbor thought it was cute.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2qin511.jpg


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Two weeks ago I wrote about my trials and tribulations regarding a
toilet that wouldn't flush any solids.

After reading all of the suggestions, I figured it would be easier to
just replace the toilet and see what happens.

My plumber indirectly suggested that I do my own plumbing from now on by
handing me a choker of a bill for the last job so went to Home Despot to
look at the toilets with the intention of installing it myself.

I found one that grabbed my eye: *"Virtually guaranteed to flush a
bucket of golf balls" *(note the operative word 'virtually'). *Rated a
'10' on the flush scale (seriously). An American Standard (made in
Mexico) Champion 4 toilet. *About $140 on sale.

The bottom part must have weighed just a wee less than myself. *I nearly
broke my back getting it upstairs.

Okay, having never replaced a toilet before I approached the job with
much trepidation. I had outlined a battle plan days in advance. *I read
all of the instructions many times. *I bought all the necessary
equipment. *I was ready for action.

The day before I replaced the toilet, I flushed the toilet (no solid
wastes at all) and it overflowed massively. *As there was no caulking
around the trim work, the water I wasn't able to vacuum up with a
Floormate came down through the floor and stained the living room
ceiling. *Another project for another day.

The old toilet came off easily. *As expected, with no children or pets,
I found nothing in the drain.

I noticed that the bolts that attach the toilet to the floor came off
fairly easily so I figured out that the goal was to tighten the bolts
just enough but no so much that the pressure breaks the fixture. *When I
attached the toilet, I used a small wrench and didn't apply any
significant torque.

After several hours, I completed the task. Of course, now that I've
installed a toilet, I can smugly tell everyone that it's so easy, simple
and quick to replace a toilet. *The next toilet will take less than an
hour to replace. *If I was bigger, I could do it faster.

After assembling, I anxiously turned the water on looking for leaks.
Initially there wasn't any but after flushing the toilet a few times I
noticed that some dripping coming from the tank. *I hadn't tighten down
the tank enough because I was terrified of cracking something. *A few
more turns and the dripping disappeared.

Now for the litmus test: *Will the toilet flush solid wastes or not?
Since there was no immediate demand to fulfill that task, I resorted to
placing a large bunch of old wet clumps of paper in the toilet. *99.99%
flushed down. *There is no flapper with this toilet and it acts very
differently than any other toilet I've ever seen. *It seems that a quick
press on the lever is sufficient for non-solid wastes and holding the
lever for an extra second or two does the trick for solid wastes. *I
don't know if that's by design or not. *There's nothing in the
instructions to suggest that it's a design feature. *Anyway, the toilet
flushes quickly and it seems that the water is pressurized. *It doesn't
have that forever swirling action. *Just a quick "whoomp" and it's gone..
* I'm going to replace another toilet (that must have cost $50 10 years
ago and built for young children since it's so tiny) to see if the
toilet flushes in the same manner or if the replaced toilet doesn't have
enough venting.

Aside from the time, I saved myself about $150 in labor costs and
received an education.

Stay tuned for more of my exciting adventures in toilets.

Suggested uses for recycling old fixtures. *My neighbor thought it was cute.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2qin511.jpg

John


Congratulations! Oh, and nice photo.

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John wrote:
Two weeks ago I wrote about my trials and tribulations regarding a
toilet that wouldn't flush any solids.


Since you just about proven that the fixture itself was to blame for your
earlier problems, I'd disassemble the sucker to satisfy my curiosity (you
need a hammer).


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John wrote:
Two weeks ago I wrote about my trials and tribulations regarding a
toilet that wouldn't flush any solids.


Since you just about proven that the fixture itself was to blame for your
earlier problems, I'd disassemble the sucker to satisfy my curiosity (you
need a hammer).



Well I don't think he needs a hammer, but an after action report on the old
unit might prove interesting.

I would disassemble the tank from the bowl and invert the bowl on the lawn.
Using a garden hose, I would "snake the trap" to see if there was anything
stuck inside. My kid once dropped a plastic cap that caused similar issues.

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Roger Shoaf wrote:
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John wrote:
Two weeks ago I wrote about my trials and tribulations regarding a
toilet that wouldn't flush any solids.

Since you just about proven that the fixture itself was to blame for your
earlier problems, I'd disassemble the sucker to satisfy my curiosity (you
need a hammer).



Well I don't think he needs a hammer, but an after action report on the old
unit might prove interesting.

I would disassemble the tank from the bowl and invert the bowl on the lawn.
Using a garden hose, I would "snake the trap" to see if there was anything
stuck inside. My kid once dropped a plastic cap that caused similar issues.


I could do that, but for the time being we kind of like the incongruous
garden planter. Maybe after awhile, we'll get tired of it or someone
will complain and I'll do a postmortem on the john.

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On Aug 30, 1:32*pm, John wrote:
Roger Shoaf wrote:
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John wrote:
Two weeks ago I wrote about my trials and tribulations regarding a
toilet that wouldn't flush any solids.


Since you just about proven that the fixture itself was to blame for your
earlier problems, I'd disassemble the sucker to satisfy my curiosity (you
need a hammer).


Well I don't think he needs a hammer, but an after action report on the old
unit might prove interesting.


I would disassemble the tank from the bowl and invert the bowl on the lawn.
Using a garden hose, I would "snake the trap" to see if there was anything
stuck inside. *My kid once dropped a plastic cap that caused similar issues.


I could do that, but for the time being we kind of like the incongruous
garden planter. *Maybe after awhile, we'll get tired of it or someone
will complain and I'll do a postmortem on the john.

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John wrote:

Well I don't think he needs a hammer, but an after action report on
the old unit might prove interesting.

I would disassemble the tank from the bowl and invert the bowl on
the lawn. Using a garden hose, I would "snake the trap" to see if
there was anything stuck inside. My kid once dropped a plastic cap
that caused similar issues.


I could do that, but for the time being we kind of like the
incongruous garden planter. Maybe after awhile, we'll get tired of
it or someone will complain and I'll do a postmortem on the john.


Cracking the thing open with a very large hammer to discover the cause of
all the consternation was just an excuse.

The real reason is revenge.


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Well yes I'm curious too! And note to the OP.

Well done; after a few more 'successful' jobs you will be qualified to
join the DIYF (do it yourself) fraternity. In fact by tackling the
toilet reckon you are more than half way there!

Since DIY takes a modicum of sense and the humility to ask questions
(at least 50% of which will be misread and possibly deliberately
misconstrued by other diyers), macho types who think they know
everything are not allowed to join!

I must be a pretty junior member, yet, although been asking questions,
receiving good advice and learning here and elsewhere; for years.
Despite having built much of the three homes we have lived in since
1958 and still doing own repairs.
It's stopped raining so got to get back to painting the house siding.
Not only saves cost but also sense of satisfaction knowing how well it
was done and with what materials.

Also thanks for your good humour; IMO it's part of learning when you
have to remind yourself that you needed to tighten something, "Cos it
still drips" or, worse, didn't need to tighten it 'as much'. Cos;
"Oops. It now leaks copiously and all the time!". Please post again.
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On Aug 31, 12:28*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
John wrote:

Well I don't think he needs a hammer, but an after action report on
the old unit might prove interesting.


I would disassemble the tank from the bowl and invert the bowl on
the lawn. Using a garden hose, I would "snake the trap" to see if
there was anything stuck inside. *My kid once dropped a plastic cap
that caused similar issues.


I could do that, but for the time being we kind of like the
incongruous garden planter. *Maybe after awhile, we'll get tired of
it or someone will complain and I'll do a postmortem on the john.


Cracking the thing open with a very large hammer to discover the cause of
all the consternation was just an excuse.

The real reason is revenge.


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Roger Shoaf wrote:
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John wrote:
Two weeks ago I wrote about my trials and tribulations regarding a
toilet that wouldn't flush any solids.


Since you just about proven that the fixture itself was to blame for your
earlier problems, I'd disassemble the sucker to satisfy my curiosity (you
need a hammer).


Well I don't think he needs a hammer, but an after action report on the old
unit might prove interesting.


I would disassemble the tank from the bowl and invert the bowl on the lawn.
Using a garden hose, I would "snake the trap" to see if there was anything
stuck inside. *My kid once dropped a plastic cap that caused similar issues.


I could do that, but for the time being we kind of like the incongruous
garden planter. *Maybe after awhile, we'll get tired of it or someone
will complain and I'll do a postmortem on the john.

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The cause of non-flushing of solids in my case was the attempted flush
of a toilet paper roll. D*mn Kids!

It lodged upright just above the stack, so liquids (and the snake)
went past, but toilet paper got caught on the lip and blocked the
toilet until it was plunged.

Had I waited, it probably would have dissolved, but I didn't know the
cause until I had pulled the toilet and looked underneath. What a
sh*tty mess! It was packed.

Kids are the reason I always have a spare wax ring and johnny bolts
stored with my plumbing tools. With those 2 items on hand, you can
pull, clear and re-install most toilets in under an hour.


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John wrote:
Two weeks ago I wrote about my trials and tribulations regarding a toilet that wouldn't flush any solids.

After reading all of the suggestions, I figured it would be easier to
just replace thetoiletand see what happens.


Interesting. I have a toilet with the same problem as your old one:
Sluggish and won't flush solids.

I have suspected that the problem is not with the toilet, but with the
vent or drain pipe.

Since the toilet used to flush fine, what would account for a decrease
in flushing power? Is there a standard method of isolating the
problem? You were lucky, but I'd hate to replace the toilet only to
find that the real problem was something else.

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John wrote:
Two weeks ago I wrote about my trials and tribulations regarding a toilet that wouldn't flush any solids.

After reading all of the suggestions, I figured it would be easier to
just replace thetoiletand see what happens.


Interesting. I have a toilet with the same problem as your old one:
Sluggish and won't flush solids.

I have suspected that the problem is not with the toilet, but with the
vent or drain pipe.

Since the toilet used to flush fine, what would account for a decrease
in flushing power? Is there a standard method of isolating the
problem? You were lucky, but I'd hate to replace the toilet only to
find that the real problem was something else.

Art Harris

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Or a plumber's snake.
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I had a similar problem with a toilet which hung up on any solids including
plain toilet paper.
It turns out the problem was an improperly installed wax ring which allowed
excess wax to
protrude into the waste pipe. Solids would stick to the wax and impede
emptying of the
bowl. Carefully snake the bowl trap with a small snake and see if any wax
comes out on
the snake.

Bob
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John wrote:
Two weeks ago I wrote about my trials and tribulations regarding a toilet
that wouldn't flush any solids.

After reading all of the suggestions, I figured it would be easier to
just replace thetoiletand see what happens.


Interesting. I have a toilet with the same problem as your old one:
Sluggish and won't flush solids.

I have suspected that the problem is not with the toilet, but with the
vent or drain pipe.

Since the toilet used to flush fine, what would account for a decrease
in flushing power? Is there a standard method of isolating the
problem? You were lucky, but I'd hate to replace the toilet only to
find that the real problem was something else.

Art Harris


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On Aug 30, 11:22*am, John wrote:
Two weeks ago I wrote about my trials and tribulations regarding a
toilet that wouldn't flush any solids.

After reading all of the suggestions, I figured it would be easier to
just replace the toilet and see what happens.

My plumber indirectly suggested that I do my own plumbing from now on by
handing me a choker of a bill for the last job so went to Home Despot to
look at the toilets with the intention of installing it myself.

I found one that grabbed my eye: *"Virtually guaranteed to flush a
bucket of golf balls" *(note the operative word 'virtually'). *Rated a
'10' on the flush scale (seriously). An American Standard (made in
Mexico) Champion 4 toilet. *About $140 on sale.

The bottom part must have weighed just a wee less than myself. *I nearly
broke my back getting it upstairs.

Okay, having never replaced a toilet before I approached the job with
much trepidation. I had outlined a battle plan days in advance. *I read
all of the instructions many times. *I bought all the necessary
equipment. *I was ready for action.

The day before I replaced the toilet, I flushed the toilet (no solid
wastes at all) and it overflowed massively. *As there was no caulking
around the trim work, the water I wasn't able to vacuum up with a
Floormate came down through the floor and stained the living room
ceiling. *Another project for another day.

The old toilet came off easily. *As expected, with no children or pets,
I found nothing in the drain.

I noticed that the bolts that attach the toilet to the floor came off
fairly easily so I figured out that the goal was to tighten the bolts
just enough but no so much that the pressure breaks the fixture. *When I
attached the toilet, I used a small wrench and didn't apply any
significant torque.

After several hours, I completed the task. Of course, now that I've
installed a toilet, I can smugly tell everyone that it's so easy, simple
and quick to replace a toilet. *The next toilet will take less than an
hour to replace. *If I was bigger, I could do it faster.

After assembling, I anxiously turned the water on looking for leaks.
Initially there wasn't any but after flushing the toilet a few times I
noticed that some dripping coming from the tank. *I hadn't tighten down
the tank enough because I was terrified of cracking something. *A few
more turns and the dripping disappeared.

Now for the litmus test: *Will the toilet flush solid wastes or not?
Since there was no immediate demand to fulfill that task, I resorted to
placing a large bunch of old wet clumps of paper in the toilet. *99.99%
flushed down. *There is no flapper with this toilet and it acts very
differently than any other toilet I've ever seen. *It seems that a quick
press on the lever is sufficient for non-solid wastes and holding the
lever for an extra second or two does the trick for solid wastes. *I
don't know if that's by design or not. *There's nothing in the
instructions to suggest that it's a design feature. *Anyway, the toilet
flushes quickly and it seems that the water is pressurized. *It doesn't
have that forever swirling action. *Just a quick "whoomp" and it's gone..
* I'm going to replace another toilet (that must have cost $50 10 years
ago and built for young children since it's so tiny) to see if the
toilet flushes in the same manner or if the replaced toilet doesn't have
enough venting.

Aside from the time, I saved myself about $150 in labor costs and
received an education.

Stay tuned for more of my exciting adventures in toilets.

Suggested uses for recycling old fixtures. *My neighbor thought it was cute.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2qin511.jpg

John


I know a guy who was PO with his neighbor across the street so he kept
setting the toilet out to be picked up and bringing it in just before
pickup. He must have kept the thing out there a month or more.

Jimmie
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I know a guy who was PO with his neighbor across the street so he kept
setting the toilet out to be picked up and bringing it in just before
pickup. He must have kept the thing out there a month or more.

Jimmie

Nice guy. Hmm, that gives me an idea.


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if toilet swirls and doesnt flush solids, but flushes solids fine if
you use a bucket the interior passages are likely clogged easily
solved with 5 bucks of acid and 15 minutes of time no disassembly
necessary

this is safe effective ad cheap
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Art Harris wrote:

Interesting. I have a toilet with the same problem as your old one:
Sluggish and won't flush solids.


I have suspected that the problem is not with the toilet, but with the
vent or drain pipe.


Since the toilet used to flush fine, what would account for a decrease
in flushing power? Is there a standard method of isolating the
problem? You were lucky, but I'd hate to replace the toilet only to
find that the real problem was something else.


The kids had their own bathroom and for about 1 year or more, their
commode would clog up about once a month. I could clean it out with a
plunger, and would accuse them of using too much paper, or flushing
stuff that shouldn't be flushed (daughter). Ran a snake though, no luck
although it was a little hard getting through. Eventually I went up on
the roof and snaked out the vent, but found nothing, and it still
clogged. As a last resort, I ripped out the commode....

Well, low and behold, stuck in the trap was a ceramic bar about the
width of a roll of toilet paper. I looked at the toilet paper holder,
which was ceramic, but had a stainless steel, spring loaded paper
holder... I knew immediately what happened, and both kids deny it to
this day, knowing I may still kill anyone that owns up to it, not for
doing it, but not telling me...

The amazing thing is I spent 3 hours trying to get the thing out, but no
way, it seemed to not fit around the bend... had to though, unless they
built the commode with the ceramic bar in it. I carried the damned
thing to the basement, to work on it and after another hour, I gave up,
sat the thing down to leave and when I sat it down, the damned bar just
fell out on it's own....

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The amazing thing is I spent 3 hours trying to get the thing out, but no
way, it seemed to not fit around the bend... had to though, unless they
built the commode with the ceramic bar in it. I carried the damned
thing to the basement, to work on it and after another hour, I gave up,
sat the thing down to leave and when I sat it down, the damned bar just
fell out on it's own....


Aw, that is just the DIY gods screwing with you. That is their way of
keeping us from getting too cocky.

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if toilet swirls and doesnt flush solids, but flushes solids fine if
you use a bucket the interior passages are likely clogged easily
solved with 5 bucks of acid and 15 minutes of time no disassembly
necessary


Bingo! I tried the bucket flush and it worked great! A check of the
internal passage confirmed a significant blockage. So now I know what
the problem is.

Thanks for tip. I would never have thought of that.

How does the acid treatment work? Does water need to be drained from
the toilet? How much acid and what kind are needed?


Art Harris

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