I have a few brass cleanout plugs on cast iron risers, they probably have
not been opened in 30 years and would not come out. I tried a 18" wrench
and even a chisel with a hammer to try to drift it open and it would not
move an inch. Soaked with WD-40 let sit for an hour tried again no luck.

I think my only option left is a desctructive method.

Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece out (like a
slice of cake)? and then use a plier to pull it out once a slice is
removed? I don't care about the plug I can replace it with PVC plugs, but I
don't want to destroy the threads (or whatever threads are left).

MC

"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
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I have a few brass cleanout plugs on cast iron risers, they probably have
not been opened in 30 years and would not come out. I tried a 18" wrench
and even a chisel with a hammer to try to drift it open and it would not
move an inch. Soaked with WD-40 let sit for an hour tried again no luck.

I think my only option left is a desctructive method.

Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece out (like a
slice of cake)? and then use a plier to pull it out once a slice is
removed? I don't care about the plug I can replace it with PVC plugs, but
I don't want to destroy the threads (or whatever threads are left).

MC

The threads may already be shot. I'd try heat next. Lots of heat.

MiamiCuse wrote:
I have a few brass cleanout plugs on cast iron risers, they probably have
not been opened in 30 years and would not come out. I tried a 18" wrench
and even a chisel with a hammer to try to drift it open and it would not
move an inch. Soaked with WD-40 let sit for an hour tried again no luck.

I think my only option left is a desctructive method.

Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece out (like a
slice of cake)? and then use a plier to pull it out once a slice is
removed? I don't care about the plug I can replace it with PVC plugs, but I
don't want to destroy the threads (or whatever threads are left).

MC


They are brass, because they are softer than iron. When Drain Guy tried
futilely to open up my basement floor drain, he didn't even try
wrenching them. He just whacked them on the edge with a drift and a BFH.
They popped right out, visibly potato-chipped. Maybe you need a bigger H.

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aem sends...

On Aug 29, 10:35*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"MiamiCuse" wrote in message

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I have a few brass cleanout plugs on cast iron risers, they probably have
not been opened in 30 years and would not come out. *I tried a 18" wrench
and even a chisel with a hammer to try to drift it open and it would not
move an inch. *Soaked with WD-40 let sit for an hour tried again no luck.

I think my only option left is a desctructive method.

Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece out (like a
slice of cake)? *and then use a plier to pull it out once a slice is
removed? *I don't care about the plug I can replace it with PVC plugs, but
I don't want to destroy the threads (or whatever threads are left).

MC

The threads may already be shot. *I'd try heat next. *Lots of heat.

I would heat the pipe up with a good torch, and then put some ice on
the plug to shrink it. The a wrench and a long extension on the plug
and an accomplice to hit the plug with a hammer.

On Aug 29, 8:27*pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
I have a few brass cleanout plugs on cast iron risers, they probably have
not been opened in 30 years and would not come out. *I tried a 18" wrench
and even a chisel with a hammer to try to drift it open and it would not
move an inch. *Soaked with WD-40 let sit for an hour tried again no luck.

I think my only option left is a desctructive method.

Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece out (like a
slice of cake)? *and then use a plier to pull it out once a slice is
removed? *I don't care about the plug I can replace it with PVC plugs, but I
don't want to destroy the threads (or whatever threads are left).

MC

Try Liquid Wrench, let it soak & tap on it a bit, let it soak
longer.

Use a larger wrench (18" isn't very big) , 24" or larger........
tighten first, then loosen.''


cheers
Bob

Our plumbers might try one half hearted time to turn out a brass
plug. If it doesn't turn first lick, the next tool is a hammer
with a chisel. They are kinda meant to be expendable.

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______________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)




"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
...
I have a few brass cleanout plugs on cast iron risers, they
probably have not been opened in 30 years and would not come out.
I tried a 18" wrench and even a chisel with a hammer to try to
drift it open and it would not move an inch. Soaked with WD-40
let sit for an hour tried again no luck.

I think my only option left is a desctructive method.

Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece
out (like a slice of cake)? and then use a plier to pull it out
once a slice is removed? I don't care about the plug I can
replace it with PVC plugs, but I don't want to destroy the
threads (or whatever threads are left).

MC

On Aug 30, 4:51*am, "DanG" wrote:
Our plumbers might try one half hearted time to turn out a brass
plug. *If it doesn't turn first lick, the next tool is a hammer
with a chisel. *They are kinda meant to be expendable.

--
______________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG *(remove the sevens)


"MiamiCuse" wrote in message

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I have a few brass cleanout plugs on cast iron risers, they
probably have not been opened in 30 years and would not come out.
I tried a 18" wrench and even a chisel with a hammer to try to
drift it open and it would not move an inch. *Soaked with WD-40
let sit for an hour tried again no luck.

I think my only option left is a desctructive method.

Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece
out (like a slice of cake)? *and then use a plier to pull it out
once a slice is removed? *I don't care about the plug I can
replace it with PVC plugs, but I don't want to destroy the
threads (or whatever threads are left).

MC- Hide quoted text -

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Yes use a hammer on the edge of it a few times soak in wd40 then
tighten a then lossen , if no success use chisel on very edge of plug
and hammer it out replace with abs plug use vasiline on the threads to
stop this problem .

MiamiCuse wrote:
I have a few brass cleanout plugs on cast iron risers, they probably have
not been opened in 30 years and would not come out. I tried a 18" wrench
and even a chisel with a hammer to try to drift it open and it would not
move an inch. Soaked with WD-40 let sit for an hour tried again no luck.

I think my only option left is a desctructive method.

Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece out (like a
slice of cake)? and then use a plier to pull it out once a slice is
removed? I don't care about the plug I can replace it with PVC plugs, but I
don't want to destroy the threads (or whatever threads are left).

MC


put some fast heat around the cast perimeter, then try it. If that
fails, let it cool completely and repeat. Remember, once the plug gets
hot, you've not gained anything. You need the cast hot fast and the
plug still relatively cool.

s

..

Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece out (like a
slice of cake)? �and then use a plier to pull it out once a slice is
removed? �I don't care about the plug I can replace it with PVC plugs, but I
don't want to destroy the threads (or whatever threads are left).

MC

this is how the pros on this old house do it.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
...
I have a few brass cleanout plugs on cast iron risers, they
probably have not been opened in 30 years and would not come out. I
tried a 18" wrench and even a chisel with a hammer to try to
drift it open and it would not move an inch. Soaked with WD-40 let
sit for an hour tried again no luck. I think my only option left is a
desctructive method.

Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece out
(like a slice of cake)? and then use a plier to pull it out once a
slice is removed? I don't care about the plug I can replace it
with PVC plugs, but I don't want to destroy the threads (or
whatever threads are left). MC

The threads may already be shot. I'd try heat next. Lots of heat.

After you get it real hot, squirt some penetrating oil on the seam. The
chilling effect of putting the penetrating oil on the hot metal causes it to
suck the oil into the threads. Did this many times in my fathers auto repair
shop to get rusted parts apart without damage. Then heat again and use a BIG
wrench, possibly with a pipe a few feet long on the end of it. If that fails
destroy it and replace it.

"Jim" wrote in message
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On Aug 30, 4:51 am, "DanG" wrote:
Our plumbers might try one half hearted time to turn out a brass
plug. If it doesn't turn first lick, the next tool is a hammer
with a chisel. They are kinda meant to be expendable.

--
______________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)


"MiamiCuse" wrote in message

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I have a few brass cleanout plugs on cast iron risers, they
probably have not been opened in 30 years and would not come out.
I tried a 18" wrench and even a chisel with a hammer to try to
drift it open and it would not move an inch. Soaked with WD-40
let sit for an hour tried again no luck.

I think my only option left is a desctructive method.

Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece
out (like a slice of cake)? and then use a plier to pull it out
once a slice is removed? I don't care about the plug I can
replace it with PVC plugs, but I don't want to destroy the
threads (or whatever threads are left).

MC- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes use a hammer on the edge of it a few times soak in wd40 then
tighten a then lossen , if no success use chisel on very edge of plug
and hammer it out replace with abs plug use vasiline on the threads to
stop this problem .

I don't care about the plug I can replace it. But I cannot get it out no
matter what I tried. I did not hammer it REAL hard I didn't want to crack
the cast riser and turn this small problem into a bug problem.

There is no edge exposed in that the plug is recessed deeper than the edge
of the riser, the only access I have is from the top, and it has a square
knob but my largest plier would not even do anything.

MiamiCuse wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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On Aug 30, 4:51 am, "DanG" wrote:
Our plumbers might try one half hearted time to turn out a brass
plug. If it doesn't turn first lick, the next tool is a hammer
with a chisel. They are kinda meant to be expendable.

--
______________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)


"MiamiCuse" wrote in message

...



I have a few brass cleanout plugs on cast iron risers, they
probably have not been opened in 30 years and would not come out.
I tried a 18" wrench and even a chisel with a hammer to try to
drift it open and it would not move an inch. Soaked with WD-40
let sit for an hour tried again no luck.
I think my only option left is a desctructive method.
Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece
out (like a slice of cake)? and then use a plier to pull it out
once a slice is removed? I don't care about the plug I can
replace it with PVC plugs, but I don't want to destroy the
threads (or whatever threads are left).
MC- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Yes use a hammer on the edge of it a few times soak in wd40 then
tighten a then lossen , if no success use chisel on very edge of plug
and hammer it out replace with abs plug use vasiline on the threads to
stop this problem .

I don't care about the plug I can replace it. But I cannot get it out no
matter what I tried. I did not hammer it REAL hard I didn't want to crack
the cast riser and turn this small problem into a bug problem.

There is no edge exposed in that the plug is recessed deeper than the edge
of the riser, the only access I have is from the top, and it has a square
knob but my largest plier would not even do anything.


get the appropriate sized 8pt socket and a large ratchet and cheater if
necessary. It'll come out.

On Aug 30, 2:54*pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message

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On Aug 30, 4:51 am, "DanG" wrote:



Our plumbers might try one half hearted time to turn out a brass
plug. If it doesn't turn first lick, the next tool is a hammer
with a chisel. They are kinda meant to be expendable.

--
______________________________
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)


"MiamiCuse" wrote in message

. ..

I have a few brass cleanout plugs on cast iron risers, they
probably have not been opened in 30 years and would not come out.
I tried a 18" wrench and even a chisel with a hammer to try to
drift it open and it would not move an inch. Soaked with WD-40
let sit for an hour tried again no luck.

I think my only option left is a desctructive method.

Can I drill a hole and start a cut with sawzall to cut a piece
out (like a slice of cake)? and then use a plier to pull it out
once a slice is removed? I don't care about the plug I can
replace it with PVC plugs, but I don't want to destroy the
threads (or whatever threads are left).

MC- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Yes use a hammer on the edge of it a few times soak in wd40 then
tighten a then lossen , if no success use chisel on very edge of plug
and hammer it out replace with abs plug use vasiline on the threads to
stop this problem .

I don't care about the plug I can replace it. *But I cannot get it out no
matter what I tried. *I did not hammer it REAL hard I didn't want to crack
the cast riser and turn this small problem into a bug problem.

There is no edge exposed in that the plug is recessed deeper than the edge
of the riser, the only access I have is from the top, and it has a square
knob but my largest plier would not even do anything.

MC-

Sorry to not answer your original questions...yes, you can cut the
plug out.

I use saw cuts at 10 o'clock & 2 o'clock

Make cuts only deep enough to just kiss the the cast iron. The
chisel, pry or twist the pieces out.

When you install the new plug, use a soft set dope compatible with the
plastic plug (or use brass)

cheers
Bob

"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
There is no edge exposed in that the plug is recessed deeper than the edge
of the riser, the only access I have is from the top, and it has a square
knob but my largest plier would not even do anything.

Put the pliers away and get a wrench. Now slip a 4' piece of pipe over the
handle for real leverage.

I've seen 6 and 12. But, an 8 point socket? That's likely to
cost more than the job is worth. Bigger pipe wrench comes to
mind. Cutting the brass plug with a sawzall is also
sensible.

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"Steve Barker" wrote in message
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get the appropriate sized 8pt socket and a large ratchet and
cheater if
necessary. It'll come out.