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Wire nut w/5 #12
Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4"
box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. |
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On Aug 25, 10:50*pm, sid wrote:
Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. *I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? *I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. *I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Chocolate block. |
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sid wrote:
Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. You could also use a small copper split-bolt and (assuming it's not a grounding wire) wrap it with tape. If I was using a wire-nut, I'd go one size bigger than red (don't remember what color that is, blue?) Bob |
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On Aug 25, 9:50*pm, sid wrote:
Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. *I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? *I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. *I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. split bolt and tape. |
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"sid" wrote in message ... Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Buchanan WT53 B, I love this nut for bunches of wires: http://www.aikencolon.com/Ideal-Buch...-100_p_41.html |
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sid wrote:
Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Just go one size bigger (gray) and get a quality brand. I don't know if HomeCheepo sells a quality brand so you may need to stop at a real supply house. http://www.idealindustries.com/produ.../wingtwist.jsp WT53 is a good choice. |
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sid wrote:
Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Strip off 1" or better, get a real good twist with a GOOD pair of flat nosed pliers, then solder, then cut back to 1/2" to 3/4" of soldered wire showing and tape well. s |
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On 8/26/2009 7:49 AM Steve Barker spake thus:
sid wrote: Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Strip off 1" or better, get a real good twist with a GOOD pair of flat nosed pliers, then solder, then cut back to 1/2" to 3/4" of soldered wire showing and tape well. Surprised to see someone make that suggestion. Yes, it would definitely be a superior connection, both electrically and mechanically. But aside from the extra work involved, it has the problem of not being easily un-doable in case some future electrician needs to fix or add something. Kind of like the old Western Union splices ... -- Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism |
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On 2009-08-26, Steve Barker wrote:
Strip off 1" or better, get a real good twist with a GOOD pair of flat nosed pliers, then solder, then cut back to 1/2" to 3/4" of soldered wire showing and tape well. It would appear that cutting back the wires after soldering would violate NEC 110.14(B): "Soldered splices shall first be spliced or joined so as to be mechanically and electrically secure without solder and then be soldered." Also, NEC 250.148(E) prohibits relying on solder for the grounding conductor (EGC): "Connections depending solely on solder shall not be used." Cheers, Wayne |
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On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:31:09 -0700, David Nebenzahl
wrote: On 8/26/2009 7:49 AM Steve Barker spake thus: sid wrote: Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Strip off 1" or better, get a real good twist with a GOOD pair of flat nosed pliers, then solder, then cut back to 1/2" to 3/4" of soldered wire showing and tape well. Surprised to see someone make that suggestion. Yes, it would definitely be a superior connection, both electrically and mechanically. But aside from the extra work involved, it has the problem of not being easily un-doable in case some future electrician needs to fix or add something. Ever try to open a crimped connector and add a wire? Kind of like the old Western Union splices ... -- Mr.E |
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On Aug 25, 11:02*pm, TimR wrote:
On Aug 25, 10:50*pm, sid wrote: Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. *I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? *I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. *I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Chocolate block. I know Radio Shack (and others) sell these for low voltage connections but are they NEC approved for house wiring? I Googled them and all the sites that carry larger sizes seem to be in the UK or NZ. I was first introduced to them while serving in the USCG in Germany back in the late seventies, but again, only for low voltage apps. Are they NEC approved to be used in the application the OP described? |
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On Aug 26, 9:02*am, George wrote:
sid wrote: Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. *I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? *I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. *I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Just go one size bigger (gray) and get a quality brand. I don't know if HomeCheepo sells a quality brand so you may need to stop at a real supply house. http://www.idealindustries.com/produ...n/twist-on/win... WT53 is a good choice. Problem there of course is buying a bag of 100 when I'm guessing the OP needs - dare I say - 1. |
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On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:24:58 +0000 (UTC), Wayne Whitney
wrote: On 2009-08-26, Steve Barker wrote: Strip off 1" or better, get a real good twist with a GOOD pair of flat nosed pliers, then solder, then cut back to 1/2" to 3/4" of soldered wire showing and tape well. It would appear that cutting back the wires after soldering would violate NEC 110.14(B): "Soldered splices shall first be spliced or joined so as to be mechanically and electrically secure without solder and then be soldered." Twist to sufficient length, trim, then solder and tape. Bundle, serve with #12 or #14 then solder and tape. Also, NEC 250.148(E) prohibits relying on solder for the grounding conductor (EGC): "Connections depending solely on solder shall not be used." Key word here is "solely" as making mechanically and electrically secure followed by solder is not "solely". This was done to prevent just placing the conductors in contact and soldering. -- Mr.E |
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"sid" wrote in message ... Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Ideal makes push in connectors similar to these in I have seen up to six conductors. http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/...or-638828.aspx They really do work well in where space is an issue. |
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On Aug 26, 4:41*pm, "gore" wrote:
"sid" wrote in message ... Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. *I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? *I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. *I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Ideal makes push in connectors similar to these in I have seen up to six conductors. http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/...rs/push-in-wir... They really do work well in where space is an issue. I did see these at HomeDepot, but when you examine them up close, I don't see how that could not melt when subject to any amperage. The expert on hand said that some/most the new light fixtures have these provided as opposed to wire-nuts with the fixture in the box. |
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"sid" wrote in message ... On Aug 26, 4:41 pm, "gore" wrote: "sid" wrote in message ... Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Ideal makes push in connectors similar to these in I have seen up to six conductors. http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/...rs/push-in-wir... They really do work well in where space is an issue. I did see these at HomeDepot, but when you examine them up close, I don't see how that could not melt when subject to any amperage. The expert on hand said that some/most the new light fixtures have these provided as opposed to wire-nuts with the fixture in the box. They are rated for number 12 wire. I haven't researched all the specs, but we have used them on several jobs without a problem. They make pigtailing really quick too. |
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"sid" wrote in message ... On Aug 26, 4:41 pm, "gore" wrote: "sid" wrote in message ... Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Ideal makes push in connectors similar to these in I have seen up to six conductors. http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/...rs/push-in-wir... They really do work well in where space is an issue. I did see these at HomeDepot, but when you examine them up close, I don't see how that could not melt when subject to any amperage. The expert on hand said that some/most the new light fixtures have these provided as opposed to wire-nuts with the fixture in the box. http://www.idealindustries.com/prodD...-in&l2=in-sure |
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Was Wire nut w/5 #12 Now: OT Related Items????
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:02:33 -0400, "RBM" wrote:
"sid" wrote in message ... Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Buchanan WT53 B, I love this nut for bunches of wires: http://www.aikencolon.com/Ideal-Buch...-100_p_41.html Sorry for hijacking... Had to laugh when viewing that page. Main item: wire nuts. Suggested Related items: Two diamond circular saw blades and a Bosch drill/driver. Gotta love software (or more likely, keyword coding) that comes up with that combination. And I've seen ridiculous suggestions on plenty of other sites and pages. Amazon usually has relevant suggestions, but I've seen some crazy ones there too. One of the most memorable goofy suggestions was at Cabellas or some other big sportsman store. I was searching for combination sunscreen and bug repellant, which it found. The related item it suggested was a 5 pack of pitons (the things mountain climbers pound into rocks to secure lines). Why even bother having such a feature if it can't work better than that? Paul F. |
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On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:24:58 +0000 (UTC), Wayne Whitney
wrote: On 2009-08-26, Steve Barker wrote: Strip off 1" or better, get a real good twist with a GOOD pair of flat nosed pliers, then solder, then cut back to 1/2" to 3/4" of soldered wire showing and tape well. It would appear that cutting back the wires after soldering would violate NEC 110.14(B): "Soldered splices shall first be spliced or joined so as to be mechanically and electrically secure without solder and then be soldered." Where does cutting back a well twisted and soldered joint violate that?? Also, NEC 250.148(E) prohibits relying on solder for the grounding conductor (EGC): "Connections depending solely on solder shall not be used." Or anything recommended violate that??? The ground connector, twisted and soldered with no tape meets the requirement (assuming solid wires) Cheers, Wayne |
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On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:41:17 -0400, "gore"
wrote: "sid" wrote in message ... Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Ideal makes push in connectors similar to these in I have seen up to six conductors. http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/...or-638828.aspx They really do work well in where space is an issue. Just like a "back-stab" connection. |
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Was Wire nut w/5 #12 Now: OT Related Items????
On Aug 26, 9:03*pm, Paul Franklin
wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:02:33 -0400, "RBM" wrote: "sid" wrote in message .... Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. *I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? *I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. *I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Buchanan WT53 B, I love this nut for bunches of wires: http://www.aikencolon.com/Ideal-Buch...ay-Wing-Twist-.... Sorry for hijacking... Had to laugh when viewing that page. *Main item: wire nuts. Suggested Related items: Two diamond circular saw blades and a Bosch drill/driver. Gotta love software (or more likely, keyword coding) that comes up with that combination. *And I've seen ridiculous suggestions on plenty of other sites and pages. * Amazon usually has relevant suggestions, but I've seen some crazy ones there too. One of the most memorable goofy suggestions was at Cabellas or some other big sportsman store. *I was searching for combination sunscreen and bug repellant, which it found. *The related item it suggested was a 5 pack of pitons (the things mountain climbers pound into rocks to secure lines). Why even bother having such a feature if it can't work better than that? Paul F. Just hijacking along... The related item it suggested was a 5 pack of pitons (the things mountain climbers pound into rocks to secure lines). Makes sense to me. The last thing I want to have happen when hanging off a cliff a couple of hundred feet above some jagged rocks is for a mosquito to start gnawing on my neck. Bug repellent and mountain climbing gear go hand in hand. g |
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From: Newsgroups: alt.home.repair Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Wire nut w/5 #12 On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:41:17 -0400, "gore" wrote: "sid" wrote in message ... Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Ideal makes push in connectors similar to these in I have seen up to six conductors. http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/...or-638828.aspx They really do work well in where space is an issue. Just like a "back-stab" connection. Not like a back stab connection. With a back stab you have like a millimeter connection on 2 sides of the wire. With the push in connectors the connection inside kinda wraps around the wire covering almost the full wire where it makes contact |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 8/26/2009 7:49 AM Steve Barker spake thus: sid wrote: Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Strip off 1" or better, get a real good twist with a GOOD pair of flat nosed pliers, then solder, then cut back to 1/2" to 3/4" of soldered wire showing and tape well. Surprised to see someone make that suggestion. Yes, it would definitely be a superior connection, both electrically and mechanically. But aside from the extra work involved, it has the problem of not being easily un-doable in case some future electrician needs to fix or add something. Kind of like the old Western Union splices ... Oh it's undoable. You just cut right below the solder and start over. If you did it right, there's enough wire there to do that 3 or 4 times. |
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Wayne Whitney wrote:
On 2009-08-26, Steve Barker wrote: Strip off 1" or better, get a real good twist with a GOOD pair of flat nosed pliers, then solder, then cut back to 1/2" to 3/4" of soldered wire showing and tape well. It would appear that cutting back the wires after soldering would violate NEC 110.14(B): "Soldered splices shall first be spliced or joined so as to be mechanically and electrically secure without solder and then be soldered." Also, NEC 250.148(E) prohibits relying on solder for the grounding conductor (EGC): "Connections depending solely on solder shall not be used." Cheers, Wayne ya and for a number of years the speed limit was 55. What's your point? No one's opening up the tape and looking. |
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DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Aug 26, 9:02 am, George wrote: sid wrote: Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Just go one size bigger (gray) and get a quality brand. I don't know if HomeCheepo sells a quality brand so you may need to stop at a real supply house. http://www.idealindustries.com/produ...n/twist-on/win... WT53 is a good choice. Problem there of course is buying a bag of 100 when I'm guessing the OP needs - dare I say - 1. But they usually sell small packs of common stuff. |
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Was Wire nut w/5 #12 Now: OT Related Items????
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Paul Franklin wrote: Sorry for hijacking... Had to laugh when viewing that page. Main item: wire nuts. Suggested Related items: Two diamond circular saw blades and a Bosch drill/driver. Gotta love software (or more likely, keyword coding) that comes up with that combination. And I've seen ridiculous suggestions on plenty of other sites and pages. Amazon usually has relevant suggestions, but I've seen some crazy ones there too. One of the most memorable goofy suggestions was at Cabellas or some other big sportsman store. I was searching for combination sunscreen and bug repellant, which it found. The related item it suggested was a 5 pack of pitons (the things mountain climbers pound into rocks to secure lines). Why even bother having such a feature if it can't work better than that? Paul F. The wife of a coworker and close personal friend died six months ago of hepatitis and liver cancer. A year or so prior, I was doing some internet browsing on the topic and was surprised to find this sponsored link: "Looking for liver cancer? Find it on eBay." |
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Smitty Two wrote:
In article , Paul Franklin wrote: Sorry for hijacking... Had to laugh when viewing that page. Main item: wire nuts. Suggested Related items: Two diamond circular saw blades and a Bosch drill/driver. Gotta love software (or more likely, keyword coding) that comes up with that combination. And I've seen ridiculous suggestions on plenty of other sites and pages. Amazon usually has relevant suggestions, but I've seen some crazy ones there too. One of the most memorable goofy suggestions was at Cabellas or some other big sportsman store. I was searching for combination sunscreen and bug repellant, which it found. The related item it suggested was a 5 pack of pitons (the things mountain climbers pound into rocks to secure lines). Why even bother having such a feature if it can't work better than that? Paul F. The wife of a coworker and close personal friend died six months ago of hepatitis and liver cancer. A year or so prior, I was doing some internet browsing on the topic and was surprised to find this sponsored link: "Looking for liver cancer? Find it on eBay." I get tickled at some of the search results at times. "And" we have all the "and" in different sizes and colors. Our "and" is superior to all the other "and" on the market. Go to dingbat.com for all your "and" needs. note: There actually is a dingbat.com . TDD |
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I suggested the chocolate block, because we used those in Europe on
all sizes of conductor. House wiring was 220V of course. Wire nuts were prohibited as inferior, and I have to admit they are, though they usually work. I've never checked NEC and don't know if the chocolate block is legal here. But it's completely secure, and completely checkable - you can see if you got the connection perfect or not, unlike a wire nut. |
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On Aug 27, 9:59*pm, TimR wrote:
I suggested the chocolate block, because we used those in Europe on all sizes of conductor. *House wiring was 220V of course. *Wire nuts were prohibited as inferior, and I have to admit they are, though they usually work. I've never checked NEC and don't know if the chocolate block is legal here. *But it's completely secure, and completely checkable - you can see if you got the connection perfect or not, unlike a wire nut. Can you provide a link to a "chocolate block", all my searches don't find any electrical connectors. Thanks |
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On Aug 26, 7:25*pm, sid wrote:
On Aug 26, 4:41*pm, "gore" wrote: "sid" wrote in message .... Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. *I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? *I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. *I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Ideal makes push in connectors similar to these in I have seen up to six conductors. http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/...rs/push-in-wir... They really do work well in where space is an issue. I did see these at HomeDepot, but when you examine them up close, I don't see how that could not melt when subject to any amperage. The expert on hand said that some/most the new light fixtures have these provided as opposed to wire-nuts with the fixture in the box.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I saw them also, but on reading the fine wording it stated "for ground connections". Also, how would the block be any different than back- stabbed recepticals, which are no longer allowed for #12 wire??? Red |
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"Red" wrote in message ... On Aug 26, 7:25 pm, sid wrote: On Aug 26, 4:41 pm, "gore" wrote: "sid" wrote in message ... Can someone tell me the best way to wire-nut 5 #12 wires in a 4x4" box. I know that a red nut will accept 5 #12 solid wires, but is there a better way ? I have seen posts that talk about con-blocks and others that talk about compression nuts. I can't find either at HomeDepot or any other big box. Any help is appreciated. Ideal makes push in connectors similar to these in I have seen up to six conductors. http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/...rs/push-in-wir... They really do work well in where space is an issue. I did see these at HomeDepot, but when you examine them up close, I don't see how that could not melt when subject to any amperage. The expert on hand said that some/most the new light fixtures have these provided as opposed to wire-nuts with the fixture in the box.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I saw them also, but on reading the fine wording it stated "for ground connections". Also, how would the block be any different than back- stabbed recepticals, which are no longer allowed for #12 wire??? Red I read the label on the container of the Ideal In-Sure Push-In connector, and it does not mention for ground connections anywhere. It says #12 - #20 solid, and also various sizes of stranded copper only. The way these differ from backstab receptacles is there is more surface area contact. On the label it says 600V, but stamped on the device is 20A 300V. Also on the label is a heat rating of 105C (221F). |
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Wire nut w/5 #12
On Aug 28, 2:54*pm, sid wrote:
On Aug 27, 9:59*pm, TimR wrote: I suggested the chocolate block, because we used those in Europe on all sizes of conductor. *House wiring was 220V of course. *Wire nuts were prohibited as inferior, and I have to admit they are, though they usually work. I've never checked NEC and don't know if the chocolate block is legal here. *But it's completely secure, and completely checkable - you can see if you got the connection perfect or not, unlike a wire nut. Can you provide a link to a "chocolate block", all my searches don't find any electrical connectors. Thanks Look here http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3319/...255ed1fd42.jpg or here https://www.europaspares.com/ELECTRI...CTOR_3239.html to see what I'm talking about. But I really don't know about NEC in the US. When I worked in Europe I never saw anything else, they came in multiple sizes. Understand I supervised electricians but am not one myself. And sometimes the language barrier got in the way. But you could crank down on those chocolate blocks as tight as you needed. They were absolutely secure with no strain relief required. And they are completely inspectable - after tightening you can see if a wire slipped out or didn't make contact, unlike a wire nut where it's all hidden. |
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Wire nut w/5 #12
TimR wrote:
On Aug 28, 2:54 pm, sid wrote: On Aug 27, 9:59 pm, TimR wrote: I suggested the chocolate block, because we used those in Europe on all sizes of conductor. House wiring was 220V of course. Wire nuts were prohibited as inferior, and I have to admit they are, though they usually work. I've never checked NEC and don't know if the chocolate block is legal here. But it's completely secure, and completely checkable - you can see if you got the connection perfect or not, unlike a wire nut. Can you provide a link to a "chocolate block", all my searches don't find any electrical connectors. Thanks Look here http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3319/...255ed1fd42.jpg or here https://www.europaspares.com/ELECTRI...CTOR_3239.html to see what I'm talking about. But I really don't know about NEC in the US. When I worked in Europe I never saw anything else, they came in multiple sizes. Understand I supervised electricians but am not one myself. And sometimes the language barrier got in the way. Musta worked in the UK. But you could crank down on those chocolate blocks as tight as you needed. They were absolutely secure with no strain relief required. And they are completely inspectable - after tightening you can see if a wire slipped out or didn't make contact, unlike a wire nut where it's all hidden. Looks like the screws stay accessible (a hazard). Are there covers? I have read that you snap off the number of chocolate block terminals you need (probable source of the name) - broken ends stay insulated? The nearest product in the US is probably AlumiConn from King innovation: http://www.kinginnovation.com/products/electrical-products/alumiconn/ it is screw terminal, like the UK chocolate blocks above. Was made for copper - aluminum connections but good for copper - copper. 3 ports; wire range #10-18 I suspect these are significantly more expensive than the 2 below. The 2 products in this thread (posted by gore) are both push in: Ideal http://www.idealindustries.com/prodDetail.do?prodId=in-sure&div=0&l1=push-in&l2=in-sure 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ports; generally #12-20, one #10 Gardner Bender PushGard™ Push-in Wire Connectors http://www.gardnerbender.com/products/wire_connectors.html 2, 3, 4, 8 ports; #12-22; easy to remove (GB says) Anyone know how the connection is made in Ideal and GB? Specifically why they are better than backstabs? -- bud-- |
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