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Y'all can laugh at over-unity all you want, I still think I'm gonna live
long enough to see nuclear fusion ...
Please don't look at it directly.

http://www.solarviews.com/raw/sun/sun.jpg

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Now we just need an electrical transmission line 93 million miles long,
heat-insulated at one end.

*I know!* Let's convert the sun's energy at the point
of origination into some kind of electromagnetically
transmissible form. I'm thinking perhaps broadband
radiation, bounded by IR and UV plus some gamma just
to keep things from getting too staid.

We could use the IR directly for space heat and for
domestic hot water. We could grow some photosynthetic
entities using the higher frequency radiation.
We could eat some of the entities and convert others
to biogas for storage and power.

Is that too "over the top"?



That'd never work.


Oh.

All right then.

Sorry.

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All of the known rules of physics say that this is impossible but
all of the "known" rules of physics have been wrong before so who
is to say. In theory if you could find a material that would
block magnetic forces, you could in fact create a machine that
power itself without any outside source of power. The problem is
in finding a material that can block magnetic fields and to my
knowledge no such material exists.

It was invented in the 50's. It's called Flubber. But nobody took it
seriously.


I thought that blocked gravity.


You're thinking of upsidasium.



I always thought perpetual motion came in the form of toddlers.

TDD
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All of the known rules of physics say that this is impossible but
all of the "known" rules of physics have been wrong before so who
is to say. In theory if you could find a material that would
block magnetic forces, you could in fact create a machine that
power itself without any outside source of power. The problem is
in finding a material that can block magnetic fields and to my
knowledge no such material exists.


It was invented in the 50's. It's called Flubber. But nobody took it
seriously.


I thought that blocked gravity.


You're thinking of upsidasium.


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David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 8/12/2009 3:49 PM Bob F spake thus:

Ulysses wrote:

"BobR" wrote in message
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All of the known rules of physics say that this is impossible
but all of the "known" rules of physics have been wrong
before so who is to say. In theory if you could find a
material that would block magnetic forces, you could in fact
create a machine that power itself without any outside source
of power. The problem is in finding a material that can block
magnetic fields and to my knowledge no such material exists.

It was invented in the 50's. It's called Flubber. But nobody
took it seriously.

I thought that blocked gravity.


You're thinking of upsidasium.


I always thought perpetual motion came in the form of toddlers.


I think that's why some folks refer to them as "tricycle motors".


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David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 8/13/2009 10:35 AM The Daring Dufas spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

On 8/12/2009 3:49 PM Bob F spake thus:

Ulysses wrote:

"BobR" wrote in message
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All of the known rules of physics say that this is impossible
but all of the "known" rules of physics have been wrong
before so who is to say. In theory if you could find a
material that would block magnetic forces, you could in fact
create a machine that power itself without any outside source
of power. The problem is in finding a material that can block
magnetic fields and to my knowledge no such material exists.

It was invented in the 50's. It's called Flubber. But nobody
took it seriously.

I thought that blocked gravity.

You're thinking of upsidasium.


I always thought perpetual motion came in the form of toddlers.


I think that's why some folks refer to them as "tricycle motors".


Yea, the only problem is that they run wide open then suddenly
conk out for hours at a time.

TDD


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I already live on a perpetual motion machine.
Eh???
Well, it'll probably still be moving when the sun explodes, so I guess
that's close to perpetual motion.

Actually it's no "closer" than any other process--it follows same
thermodynamic laws--it's just that the losses are relatively small with
respect to the total mass. It (assuming the reference is to the earth I
presume) _is_ slowing measurably albeit granted it's on a relatively
long time frame.

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Well, maybe it's not pure perpetual motion, but it'll probably keep going
longer than anyone will be around to see it finally stop. In any case,
without visiting the link, I'm pretty sure it's closer than what they have.


Whether anybody will be around is totally immaterial; the point is it
really _isn't_ any "closer"; it's just a different system but 2nd law is
2nd law, no matter where (at least as far as we know, anyway).

And, yes, the lure of perpetual motion and the simply naive as well as
the charlatans have being touting solutions based on faulty premises
using permanent magnets since about forever--that phenomenon may be the
most perpetual of all.

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In theory if you could find a material that would block magnetic
forces, you could in fact create a machine that power itself without
any outside source of power. The problem is in finding a material
that can block magnetic fields and to my knowledge no such material
exists.


Bismuth, or any superconductor. HTH :-)

Bob
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BobR wrote:
In theory if you could find a material that would block magnetic
forces, you could in fact create a machine that power itself without
any outside source of power. The problem is in finding a material
that can block magnetic fields and to my knowledge no such material
exists.


Bismuth, or any superconductor. HTH :-)

Bob


OK, I picked up a can of bismuth and some magnets. Now where are those
plans for my free energy device?
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BobR wrote:

In theory if you could find a material that would block magnetic
forces, you could in fact create a machine that power itself without
any outside source of power. The problem is in finding a material
that can block magnetic fields and to my knowledge no such material
exists.


Bismuth, or any superconductor. HTH :-)

Bob



OK, I picked up a can of bismuth and some magnets. Now where are those
plans for my free energy device?


Yes, bismuth is diamagnetic and repels magnets (of either polarity), but
rather weakly, with far less repulsive force than the attractive force
of the same size magnet to a material such as iron.

I built a magnetic levitator years ago which used bismuth. It's still
standing amongst the clutter on my desk.

http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/jeff/diamag.html

Jeff

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jeff_wisnia wrote in
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Smitty Two wrote:

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BobR wrote:

In theory if you could find a material that would block magnetic
forces, you could in fact create a machine that power itself without
any outside source of power. The problem is in finding a material
that can block magnetic fields and to my knowledge no such material
exists.

Bismuth, or any superconductor. HTH :-)

Bob



OK, I picked up a can of bismuth and some magnets. Now where are
those plans for my free energy device?


Yes, bismuth is diamagnetic and repels magnets (of either polarity),
but rather weakly, with far less repulsive force than the attractive
force of the same size magnet to a material such as iron.

I built a magnetic levitator years ago which used bismuth. It's still
standing amongst the clutter on my desk.

http://home.comcast.net/~jwisnia18/jeff/diamag.html

Jeff



I'm impressed Jeff...You can at least find your desk:-)
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