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On Aug 6, 2:16*pm, Phisherman wrote:
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:00:22 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html What ever happened to the "reuse" concept to be green and save the planet? How do you suggest that we reuse, in an evironmentally friendly way, the engine from an old gas guzzler? |
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We're not allowed to question the government's judgement,
any more. After all, anyone who opposes President Herr Obama (you know, Barry....) must be racist and Anti American. And, as Obama pranced back and forth, his little curly tail whisked back and forth in a manner that was somehow most appealling. In his most strained voice, he said "Surely, you don't want Jones to come back?" and the barnyard animals were quiet. Even Boxer, the oldest of them all, could not answer that question. In the distance, there was sounds of a party happening at the manor farm house. Humans had been seen. Rolling a barrel of something into the back of the farm house. Obama explained, simply, that the humans were merely doing some repairs to the structure of the house. There was nothing to be suspicious about. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Phisherman" wrote in message ... What ever happened to the "reuse" concept to be green and save the planet? |
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Load the vehicle with Mexicans, and send it south.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "DerbyDad03" wrote in message ... How do you suggest that we reuse, in an evironmentally friendly way, the engine from an old gas guzzler? |
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DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Aug 6, 2:16 pm, Phisherman wrote: On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 07:00:22 -0500, "HeyBub" wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html What ever happened to the "reuse" concept to be green and save the planet? How do you suggest that we reuse, in an evironmentally friendly way, the engine from an old gas guzzler? Newspaper here said around 2/3 of the vehicles being murdered are trucks and such. Plenty of broke tradesmen out there who would like a newer truck than the even-older one they are driving. Even with the $4500 check (which is probably added back to the price of a new car), there are a lot of people out there that can't afford to buy new. When you are thinning a herd, you don't kill the middle-age ones, you kill the oldest and sickest. There is a lot of iron driving around on the streets here that is even older and more polluting than the vehicles being destroyed. They should at least SORT the trade-ins, and give the ones with usable life left in them to Goodwill 'Wheels to Work' and similar programs, that give cars to people so they can get jobs and get off welfare. For people that have nothing but shoes, even a 15 mpg car looks pretty damn good, if it means they can get to and from work. Don't worry, the pending return of $4 gas will keep them from driving anywhere but to work and the grocery store. If there is no local donation program, have a first-come, first-serve swap arrangement, where people with NO money, can bring in an older and higher mileage car, and let that take the place of the one on the condemned list. Only destroy the oldest and crappiest ones. Call me a luddite- destroying working tools and equipment is a sin, and bad for the environment. 'Use it up, wear it out', etc. -- aem sends... |
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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:47:06 -0700 (PDT), in alt.home.repair, DerbyDad03
wrote: On Aug 6, 2:16=A0pm, Phisherman wrote: What ever happened to the "reuse" concept to be green and save the planet? How do you suggest that we reuse, in an evironmentally friendly way, the engine from an old gas guzzler? Drive it. Seriously. Driving an old gas guzzler 50,000 miles has less impact on the environment than building a new car. Of course some of these "old gas guzzlers" being destroyed by the CARS program might have got as good or better fuel economy than a new car. Didn't the VW diesels of the mid-80s get 60+ MPG? Where can I buy a new car today that gets 60+ MPG? CARS: Just another corporate welfare program. -- Due to Usenet spam, emailed replies must pass an intelligence test: if you want me to read your reply, be sure to include this line of text in your email, but remove this line before sending, otherwise my filters will delete your email with all due prejudice. Thanks! |
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"Phisherman" wrote in message What ever happened to the "reuse" concept to be green and save the planet? It is being re-used. The scrap metal will go to China and in a couple of months we'll have new toasters and can openers made from '84 Gran Marquis. |
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On Aug 4, 8:54*am, Chuck wrote:
Jon Danniken wrote: HeyBub wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Jon This also feeds the greed of today's citizen. They forget that it is there own tax money that's being spent. We will all pay for it later. How many of the buyers actually can afford the new cars they are buying? * Remember all the homes that they bought and couldn't keep. Will they be working next week or next month. I doubt it. Party on!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very few posts mention that _you and I_ are paying out those bonuses. I hope my neighbor appreciates me helping him buy a new car. Harry K |
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On Aug 4, 11:25*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Aug 4, 2:03*pm, wrote: On Aug 4, 11:44*am, "Jon Danniken" wrote: I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Unless the vehicles are DESTROYED, there is nothing the government can do to prevent less scrupulous dealers and other shady profiteers from double-dipping by collecting the CARS rebate, then turning around and selling the trade-in clunker for Kelly Blue Book price. Heck from some accounts, vehicles from the CARS program are showing up on auction lots, running and driving under their own power already. Anything but the total destruction of the tradeins leaves that loophole. "Heck from some accounts, vehicles from the CARS program are showing up on auction lots, running and driving under their own power already" Cite please. "Unless the vehicles are DESTROYED..." The program requires that the engine be destroyed and the vehicle labled attesting that fact. If the dealers are getting around that requirement, then what will stop them from getting around the requirement that the entire vehicle be destroyed? But really, please provide a cite for the "some accounts" you mentioned. Thus far I have seen nothing that says the entire vehicle must be destroyed. Only the engine has been mentioned. I have been wondering what would keep someone from buying the "hulk" after engine destruction and putting a new motor in it. Harry K |
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harry k wrote:
On Aug 4, 11:25 am, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Aug 4, 2:03 pm, wrote: On Aug 4, 11:44 am, "Jon Danniken" wrote: I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Unless the vehicles are DESTROYED, there is nothing the government can do to prevent less scrupulous dealers and other shady profiteers from double-dipping by collecting the CARS rebate, then turning around and selling the trade-in clunker for Kelly Blue Book price. Heck from some accounts, vehicles from the CARS program are showing up on auction lots, running and driving under their own power already. Anything but the total destruction of the tradeins leaves that loophole. "Heck from some accounts, vehicles from the CARS program are showing up on auction lots, running and driving under their own power already" Cite please. "Unless the vehicles are DESTROYED..." The program requires that the engine be destroyed and the vehicle labled attesting that fact. If the dealers are getting around that requirement, then what will stop them from getting around the requirement that the entire vehicle be destroyed? But really, please provide a cite for the "some accounts" you mentioned. Thus far I have seen nothing that says the entire vehicle must be destroyed. Only the engine has been mentioned. I have been wondering what would keep someone from buying the "hulk" after engine destruction and putting a new motor in it. The "clunker's" VIN is recorded as junked. The car cannot be registered. BUT if you have a corresponding model, you can transfer the engine and VIN tag to the cluncker and you're good to go. Probably. For a while, anyway. |
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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:30:57 -0700 (PDT), harry k
wrote: On Aug 4, 11:25*am, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Aug 4, 2:03*pm, wrote: On Aug 4, 11:44*am, "Jon Danniken" wrote: I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Unless the vehicles are DESTROYED, there is nothing the government can do to prevent less scrupulous dealers and other shady profiteers from double-dipping by collecting the CARS rebate, then turning around and selling the trade-in clunker for Kelly Blue Book price. Heck from some accounts, vehicles from the CARS program are showing up on auction lots, running and driving under their own power already. Anything but the total destruction of the tradeins leaves that loophole. "Heck from some accounts, vehicles from the CARS program are showing up on auction lots, running and driving under their own power already" Cite please. "Unless the vehicles are DESTROYED..." The program requires that the engine be destroyed and the vehicle labled attesting that fact. If the dealers are getting around that requirement, then what will stop them from getting around the requirement that the entire vehicle be destroyed? But really, please provide a cite for the "some accounts" you mentioned. Thus far I have seen nothing that says the entire vehicle must be destroyed. Only the engine has been mentioned. I have been wondering what would keep someone from buying the "hulk" after engine destruction and putting a new motor in it. Harry K Well, generally speaking, the cars traded in are probably worth less than the $4500 bonus. That's why it was so attractive to trade them in. The vast majority of the clunkers are not WORTH installing a new engine. Prices for big gas guzzlers are extremely depressed already. |
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In article 4a7b8019.643089231@localhost,
wrote: CARS: Just another corporate welfare program. Technically it is a union (UAW) welfare plan. These are Democrats we are talking about afterall. Please try to remember who has bought of which party (g). -- Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party. Jimmy Buffett |
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On Aug 7, 8:05�am, Kurt Ullman wrote:
� Technically it is a union (UAW) welfare plan. These are Democrats we are talking about afterall. Please try to remember who has bought of which party (g). well it has gotten the auto companies selling vehicles again. if government had done nothing we would be in a depression today. although this serious recession has probably changed behavior for at least a generation. unlimited credit isnt a health thing....... |
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And, our toast will taste like sodium silicate for the first
few slices. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... It is being re-used. The scrap metal will go to China and in a couple of months we'll have new toasters and can openers made from '84 Gran Marquis. |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
And, our toast will taste like sodium silicate for the first few slices. Remember what the Japs did with our empty beer cans before WW2. History can repeat and usually does. |
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harry k wrote:
On Aug 4, 8:54 am, Chuck wrote: Jon Danniken wrote: HeyBub wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Jon This also feeds the greed of today's citizen. They forget that it is there own tax money that's being spent. We will all pay for it later. How many of the buyers actually can afford the new cars they are buying? Remember all the homes that they bought and couldn't keep. Will they be working next week or next month. I doubt it. Party on!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very few posts mention that _you and I_ are paying out those bonuses. I hope my neighbor appreciates me helping him buy a new car. Harry K You seem awfully confused. Obama told us that the government found this money someplace and he is a really smart guy.. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400, George wrote:
harry k wrote: On Aug 4, 8:54 am, Chuck wrote: Jon Danniken wrote: HeyBub wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Jon This also feeds the greed of today's citizen. They forget that it is there own tax money that's being spent. We will all pay for it later. How many of the buyers actually can afford the new cars they are buying? Remember all the homes that they bought and couldn't keep. Will they be working next week or next month. I doubt it. Party on!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very few posts mention that _you and I_ are paying out those bonuses. I hope my neighbor appreciates me helping him buy a new car. Harry K You seem awfully confused. Obama told us that the government found this money someplace and he is a really smart guy.. Except that he never said any such thing. You need to develop some more plausible lies if you're going to use strawmen as your primary argumentative style. |
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In article , AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400, George wrote: harry k wrote: On Aug 4, 8:54 am, Chuck wrote: Jon Danniken wrote: HeyBub wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Jon This also feeds the greed of today's citizen. They forget that it is there own tax money that's being spent. We will all pay for it later. How many of the buyers actually can afford the new cars they are buying? Remember all the homes that they bought and couldn't keep. Will they be working next week or next month. I doubt it. Party on!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very few posts mention that _you and I_ are paying out those bonuses. I hope my neighbor appreciates me helping him buy a new car. Harry K You seem awfully confused. Obama told us that the government found this money someplace and he is a really smart guy.. Except that he never said any such thing. You need to develop some more plausible lies if you're going to use strawmen as your primary argumentative style. So where do *you* think the money is coming from? |
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Actually, I don't remember. Maybe you'll be kind enough to
tell us. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Chuck" wrote in message ... Stormin Mormon wrote: And, our toast will taste like sodium silicate for the first few slices. Remember what the Japs did with our empty beer cans before WW2. History can repeat and usually does. |
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AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400, George wrote: harry k wrote: On Aug 4, 8:54 am, Chuck wrote: Jon Danniken wrote: HeyBub wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Jon This also feeds the greed of today's citizen. They forget that it is there own tax money that's being spent. We will all pay for it later. How many of the buyers actually can afford the new cars they are buying? Remember all the homes that they bought and couldn't keep. Will they be working next week or next month. I doubt it. Party on!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very few posts mention that _you and I_ are paying out those bonuses. I hope my neighbor appreciates me helping him buy a new car. Harry K You seem awfully confused. Obama told us that the government found this money someplace and he is a really smart guy.. Except that he never said any such thing. You need to develop some more plausible lies if you're going to use strawmen as your primary argumentative style. No strawman involved. They ran through the first billion and Obama said they "found" more money to keep the program going. And just to give you a chance to enlighten us apparently confused folks where exactly does he actually get the money to pay for these programs? |
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bob haller wrote:
On Aug 7, 8:05�am, Kurt Ullman wrote: � Technically it is a union (UAW) welfare plan. These are Democrats we are talking about afterall. Please try to remember who has bought of which party (g). well it has gotten the auto companies selling vehicles again. if government had done nothing we would be in a depression today. You know this how? That was certainly the spin when the government said they had to act immediately to transfer wealth to their owners but who knows what would have actually happened. although this serious recession has probably changed behavior for at least a generation. unlimited credit isnt a health thing....... |
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although this serious recession has probably changed behavior for at least a generation. unlimited credit isnt a health thing....... Missed this the first time through. Anyone else think this is just too ironic for words given... well unlimited credit.. of the government and Fed. -- Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party. Jimmy Buffett |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:00:36 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
In article , AZ Nomad wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400, George wrote: harry k wrote: On Aug 4, 8:54 am, Chuck wrote: Jon Danniken wrote: HeyBub wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Jon This also feeds the greed of today's citizen. They forget that it is there own tax money that's being spent. We will all pay for it later. How many of the buyers actually can afford the new cars they are buying? Remember all the homes that they bought and couldn't keep. Will they be working next week or next month. I doubt it. Party on!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very few posts mention that _you and I_ are paying out those bonuses. I hope my neighbor appreciates me helping him buy a new car. Harry K You seem awfully confused. Obama told us that the government found this money someplace and he is a really smart guy.. Except that he never said any such thing. You need to develop some more plausible lies if you're going to use strawmen as your primary argumentative style. So where do *you* think the money is coming from? Irrelevent. |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:28:34 -0400, George wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400, George wrote: harry k wrote: On Aug 4, 8:54 am, Chuck wrote: Jon Danniken wrote: HeyBub wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Jon This also feeds the greed of today's citizen. They forget that it is there own tax money that's being spent. We will all pay for it later. How many of the buyers actually can afford the new cars they are buying? Remember all the homes that they bought and couldn't keep. Will they be working next week or next month. I doubt it. Party on!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very few posts mention that _you and I_ are paying out those bonuses. I hope my neighbor appreciates me helping him buy a new car. Harry K You seem awfully confused. Obama told us that the government found this money someplace and he is a really smart guy.. Except that he never said any such thing. You need to develop some more plausible lies if you're going to use strawmen as your primary argumentative style. No strawman involved. They ran through the first billion and Obama said they "found" more money to keep the program going. And just to give you a chance to enlighten us apparently confused folks where exactly does he actually get the money to pay for these programs? Please provide the time and place where obama said "I found this money someplace" |
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Doug Miller wrote:
In article , AZ Nomad wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400, George wrote: harry k wrote: On Aug 4, 8:54 am, Chuck wrote: Jon Danniken wrote: HeyBub wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Jon This also feeds the greed of today's citizen. They forget that it is there own tax money that's being spent. We will all pay for it later. How many of the buyers actually can afford the new cars they are buying? Remember all the homes that they bought and couldn't keep. Will they be working next week or next month. I doubt it. Party on!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very few posts mention that _you and I_ are paying out those bonuses. I hope my neighbor appreciates me helping him buy a new car. Harry K You seem awfully confused. Obama told us that the government found this money someplace and he is a really smart guy.. Except that he never said any such thing. You need to develop some more plausible lies if you're going to use strawmen as your primary argumentative style. So where do *you* think the money is coming from? So where do you think the cars are going? Just came across this and thought it might be of interest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8188267.stm |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
Actually, I don't remember. Maybe you'll be kind enough to tell us. They made toys and other stuff. It was all marked: "Made in Occupied Japan." |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:28:34 -0400, George wrote: AZ Nomad wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400, George wrote: harry k wrote: On Aug 4, 8:54 am, Chuck wrote: Jon Danniken wrote: HeyBub wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Jon This also feeds the greed of today's citizen. They forget that it is there own tax money that's being spent. We will all pay for it later. How many of the buyers actually can afford the new cars they are buying? Remember all the homes that they bought and couldn't keep. Will they be working next week or next month. I doubt it. Party on!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very few posts mention that _you and I_ are paying out those bonuses. I hope my neighbor appreciates me helping him buy a new car. Harry K You seem awfully confused. Obama told us that the government found this money someplace and he is a really smart guy.. Except that he never said any such thing. You need to develop some more plausible lies if you're going to use strawmen as your primary argumentative style. No strawman involved. They ran through the first billion and Obama said they "found" more money to keep the program going. And just to give you a chance to enlighten us apparently confused folks where exactly does he actually get the money to pay for these programs? Please provide the time and place where obama said "I found this money someplace" Around 5:30 on Wednesday at a local pizza shop that happened to have a TV on. It was the typical liberal "I am such a uber smart person and found money to do this" comment. No clue where he happened to be speaking. The "found" referred to some shell game move it from someplace else deal. Please answer my question about where he actually gets the money to pay for these programs? |
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On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:52:54 -0400, George wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:28:34 -0400, George wrote: AZ Nomad wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400, George wrote: harry k wrote: On Aug 4, 8:54 am, Chuck wrote: Jon Danniken wrote: HeyBub wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Jon This also feeds the greed of today's citizen. They forget that it is there own tax money that's being spent. We will all pay for it later. How many of the buyers actually can afford the new cars they are buying? Remember all the homes that they bought and couldn't keep. Will they be working next week or next month. I doubt it. Party on!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very few posts mention that _you and I_ are paying out those bonuses. I hope my neighbor appreciates me helping him buy a new car. Harry K You seem awfully confused. Obama told us that the government found this money someplace and he is a really smart guy.. Except that he never said any such thing. You need to develop some more plausible lies if you're going to use strawmen as your primary argumentative style. No strawman involved. They ran through the first billion and Obama said they "found" more money to keep the program going. And just to give you a chance to enlighten us apparently confused folks where exactly does he actually get the money to pay for these programs? Please provide the time and place where obama said "I found this money someplace" Around 5:30 on Wednesday at a local pizza shop that happened to have a TV on. It was the typical liberal "I am such a uber smart person and found money to do this" comment. No clue where he happened to be speaking. The "found" referred to some shell game move it from someplace else deal. Please answer my question about where he actually gets the money to pay for these programs? Irrelevent. The claim was that he said "I found this money someplace" As far as the source, it is the same as everything else congress does: they pay by taxing and borrowing. Is this something that has to be explained to you? |
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AZ Nomad wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400, George wrote: SNIP to here to edit for space You seem awfully confused. Obama told us that the government found this money someplace and he is a really smart guy.. Except that he never said any such thing. You need to develop some more plausible lies if you're going to use strawmen as your primary argumentative style. No strawman involved. They ran through the first billion and Obama said they "found" more money to keep the program going. And just to give you a chance to enlighten us apparently confused folks where exactly does he actually get the money to pay for these programs? It will come from you and me. It's our money. Meanwhile, one question I think worth asking is: How much value did the cars being clunkerjunked have above their scrap value? If that exceeds how much more they would have cost to operate through the remainders of their natural lives than their replacements would cost for same miles, then America as a whole is losing from the destruction of these cars. (Decrease the fuel cost difference by the loss of the portion of fuel taxes actually used to effectively serve the taxpayers.) I would have had this program changed to require a bigger upgrade in fuel economy, minimum of either 70% MPG improvement or both 9 MPG improvement and 50% MPG improvement by the new car over the destroyed one. (I would have improvement by 50-69% but by under 9 MPG qualify for a smaller rebate, to provide an incentive to take an easily available larger improvement.) - Don Klipstein ) |
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"AZ Nomad" wrote in message Irrelevent. The claim was that he said "I found this money someplace" As far as the source, it is the same as everything else congress does: they pay by taxing and borrowing. Is this something that has to be explained to you? Who cares what he said or did not say. Fact is, this is a redistribution of wealth plan. Short lived (hopefully) program to take our money and help buy new cars for others. Not much different than a Ponzi scheme where we all pay in and a handful of us grab the money and run. |
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AZ Nomad wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:28:34 -0400, George wrote: AZ Nomad wrote: On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:37:10 -0400, George wrote: harry k wrote: On Aug 4, 8:54 am, Chuck wrote: Jon Danniken wrote: HeyBub wrote: Sodium Silicate. The government mandates that cars traded in under the "Cash for Clunkers" program be permanently disabled and specifies that the method used is to replace the oil with Sodium Silicate then run the engine until it freezes. This has caught the suppliers of the substance by surprise. One company that sold maybe 150 gallons of the stuff a year has already sold 15,000 gallons! From the Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124934376942503053.html I'm not exactly what you would call a die hard "green" kind of a person, but having learned the ways of thrift and economy from grandparents who survived the great depression of 1929, I can't help but see this as a total waste of otherwise useful resources. Jon This also feeds the greed of today's citizen. They forget that it is there own tax money that's being spent. We will all pay for it later. How many of the buyers actually can afford the new cars they are buying? Remember all the homes that they bought and couldn't keep. Will they be working next week or next month. I doubt it. Party on!!!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Very few posts mention that _you and I_ are paying out those bonuses. I hope my neighbor appreciates me helping him buy a new car. Harry K You seem awfully confused. Obama told us that the government found this money someplace and he is a really smart guy.. Except that he never said any such thing. You need to develop some more plausible lies if you're going to use strawmen as your primary argumentative style. No strawman involved. They ran through the first billion and Obama said they "found" more money to keep the program going. And just to give you a chance to enlighten us apparently confused folks where exactly does he actually get the money to pay for these programs? Please provide the time and place where obama said "I found this money someplace" Skip it AZ. a.h.r. is swarming with Fox "news" and Rush fans, not to mention bible thumpers. Yer better off keeping it on topic, which is home repair. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote: "AZ Nomad" wrote in message Irrelevent. The claim was that he said "I found this money someplace" As far as the source, it is the same as everything else congress does: they pay by taxing and borrowing. Is this something that has to be explained to you? Who cares what he said or did not say. Fact is, this is a redistribution of wealth plan. Short lived (hopefully) program to take our money and help buy new cars for others. Not much different than a Ponzi scheme where we all pay in and a handful of us grab the money and run. I have always thought that calling anything the government did a Ponzi scheme was an insult to Ponzi. At least he got his "investors" to kick in voluntarily. Try to avoid paying taxes and see how voluntary that is. -- Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party. Jimmy Buffett |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"AZ Nomad" wrote in message Irrelevent. The claim was that he said "I found this money someplace" As far as the source, it is the same as everything else congress does: they pay by taxing and borrowing. Is this something that has to be explained to you? Who cares what he said or did not say. Fact is, this is a redistribution of wealth plan. Short lived (hopefully) program to take our money and help buy new cars for others. Not much different than a Ponzi scheme where we all pay in and a handful of us grab the money and run. It was just a comment on typical liberal thinking who can't seem to describe where the money comes from so they need to use a metaphor like "we found it". |
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On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 09:00:46 -0400, George wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote: "AZ Nomad" wrote in message Irrelevent. The claim was that he said "I found this money someplace" As far as the source, it is the same as everything else congress does: they pay by taxing and borrowing. Is this something that has to be explained to you? Who cares what he said or did not say. Fact is, this is a redistribution of wealth plan. Short lived (hopefully) program to take our money and help buy new cars for others. Not much different than a Ponzi scheme where we all pay in and a handful of us grab the money and run. It was just a comment on typical liberal thinking who can't seem to describe where the money comes from so they need to use a metaphor like "we found it". Can't you argue a point without introducing strawmen? |
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AZ Nomad wrote:
On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 09:00:46 -0400, George wrote: Ed Pawlowski wrote: "AZ Nomad" wrote in message Irrelevent. The claim was that he said "I found this money someplace" As far as the source, it is the same as everything else congress does: they pay by taxing and borrowing. Is this something that has to be explained to you? Who cares what he said or did not say. Fact is, this is a redistribution of wealth plan. Short lived (hopefully) program to take our money and help buy new cars for others. Not much different than a Ponzi scheme where we all pay in and a handful of us grab the money and run. It was just a comment on typical liberal thinking who can't seem to describe where the money comes from so they need to use a metaphor like "we found it". Can't you argue a point without introducing strawmen? Sure, and I did. This thread regarded liberal thinking (in case you didn't notice liberals control the entire Federal government). So my comment about typical liberal thinking is quite valid. I did notice that you seem to like to declaring things are "irrelevent" when they are touching a nerve. |
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"George" wrote in message It was just a comment on typical liberal thinking who can't seem to describe where the money comes from so they need to use a metaphor like "we found it". They found it in our pockets |
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:44:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"George" wrote in message It was just a comment on typical liberal thinking who can't seem to describe where the money comes from so they need to use a metaphor like "we found it". They found it in our pockets as opposed to? Do anybody really need it explained that govt. either taxes or borrows? |
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AZ Nomad wrote:
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:44:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: "George" wrote in message It was just a comment on typical liberal thinking who can't seem to describe where the money comes from so they need to use a metaphor like "we found it". They found it in our pockets as opposed to? Do anybody really need it explained that govt. either taxes or borrows? Well, lately, they are doing the electronic equivalent of just running the printing presses. And the world is noticing- the exchange rates against the other major currencies are going down. Bankers know a defacto devaluation when they see it. Things will probably hold together, sort of, for the 20 or 30 years I probably have left. But I fear what middle age holds for my little niece and nephew. Good thing their daddy is teaching them how to to plant and grow veggies on a production basis, and tend chickens. At least they won't starve. -- aem sends.... |
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aemeijers wrote: Things will probably hold together, sort of, for the 20 or 30 years I probably have left. But I fear what middle age holds for my little niece and nephew. Good thing their daddy is teaching them how to to plant and grow veggies on a production basis, and tend chickens. At least they won't starve. We'll be the North American Britain by then. Basking in our former glory, doing okay but not as good as in our hay-day, and plugging along. -- Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party. Jimmy Buffett |
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On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:30:48 -0400, aemeijers wrote:
AZ Nomad wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:44:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: "George" wrote in message It was just a comment on typical liberal thinking who can't seem to describe where the money comes from so they need to use a metaphor like "we found it". They found it in our pockets as opposed to? Do anybody really need it explained that govt. either taxes or borrows? Well, lately, they are doing the electronic equivalent of just running the printing presses. And the world is noticing- the exchange rates That would be an improvement over the insane borrowing. Both devalue the money, but the latter requires payback. I predicted raging inflation a decade ago; how else can the U.S. deal with the ten trillion dollar debt? Made it worth the equivelent of 100 billion! |
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