No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

On Aug 2, 11:56*am, hibb wrote:
No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them *And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

It sounds like your lot was cut out of a family plot and they still
consider it in the family therefore community property. That happens
quite often and results in family rifts like yours. The situation
rarely improves. You could drive sharpened stakes along the property
line to puncture tires when they drive across them, or you could
move. I'd consider moving before escalating a family feud. I'd never
live within 5 miles of any family member anyway.

KC

"hibb" wrote in message
I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property,

How about a moat? No material cost, just time to dig.

hibb wrote:
No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

Land mines.

TDD

The Daring Dufas wrote:
hibb wrote:
No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

Land mines.

TDD
Lotsa big landscaping boulders.

--
aem sends...

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:56:07 -0700 (PDT), against all advice,
something compelled hibb , to say:

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good.


Post and rail would look pretty good.




--

Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will
have to ram it down their throats.
- Howard Aiken

On Aug 2, 4:08*pm, KC wrote:
On Aug 2, 11:56*am, hibb wrote:



No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them *And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

It sounds like your lot was cut out of a family plot and they still
consider it in the family therefore community property. *That happens
quite often and results in family rifts like yours. *The situation
rarely improves. You could drive sharpened stakes along the property
line to puncture tires when they drive across them, or you could
move. *I'd consider moving before escalating a family feud. *I'd never
live within 5 miles of any family member anyway.

KC

You do know what you are talking about. I would love to move but I
don't want to take any chances since my wife had a severe head injury
6 years ago and will never be able to live on her own again if
something should happen to me. I don't think I can risk taking her too
far away from her family. Plus things are just too hard for her to
also remove her from her familiar confines.

We will have to see how far this escalates when we all meet at the
lawyers office Tuesday and the lawyer tells my brother-in-law he is
not the executer of his father's will even tho he gets the lion's
share of the estate. In the last two weeks since his father's death,
he has been acting like the big man in charge and even gave away a few
of the things that his sisters were to share in. If he had not started
behaving like a jackass, he could have had his lion's share and his
two sisters would have taken their smaller shares and there would not
have been any big problems.

David

On Aug 2, 7:18*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"hibb" wrote in message
I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property,

How about a moat? *No material cost, just time to dig.

Not a bad idea since the aquifer is only about 10 feet below the
surface and all we have is easy digging sand just under the topsoil.

But I don't think the alligators would fare too well here in Michigan
unless we heated the moat all winter. And that would be expensive.

On Aug 2, 7:29*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
hibb wrote:
No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them *And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

Land mines.

TDD

I wouldn't want to break any international treaties but I do feel
there might be a few "F-Bombs" thrown around Tuesday.

On Aug 2, 7:44*pm, aemeijers wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
hibb wrote:
No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them *And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

Land mines.

TDD

Lotsa big landscaping boulders.

--
aem sends...

I do like big rocks. Sounds expensive, tho.

On Aug 2, 7:58*pm, Steve Daniels wrote:
On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:56:07 -0700 (PDT), against all advice,
something compelled hibb , to say:

* * I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
* * but still looks good.

Post and rail would look pretty good.

--

Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will
have to ram it down their throats.
* - Howard Aiken

That might be the best way to go.

"hibb" wrote in message
...
No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

David, that's like writing here and asking what the weather is going to be
like tomorrow. Well, HERE, about 102. Where YOU live, it may be different.

Start at the local level. You can access your county records online. Find
out what your zoning is if you don't already know it. You sound country,
and may be a zoning designation that would allow barbed wire. I live in an
agricultural zone, although it is very close to a residential area. The
codes specify how tall the fence can be, how many strand it may have, and
the level of the lowest strand from the ground.

No sense spending a dime until you find out exactly what you CAN do, as your
relatives would certainly have a good laugh if you spent bucks and had to
take it all down.

I don't envy your position. Any way you go, it is going to cost you, and
family dinners and get togethers will never be the same.

Know whut uh mean, Vern?

Good luck

Steve

On Aug 2, 9:56*am, hibb wrote:
No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them *And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

Shrubs or tress look good and can be cheap, depending on which ones
you choose. You can also drive in steel t-posts to dissuade traffic
instantly, but you can claim you're just using them to train up your
plants.

I'd still talk it over with your neighbors, just to be nice.

In article ,
"SteveB" wrote:

"hibb" wrote in message
...
No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

David, that's like writing here and asking what the weather is going to be
like tomorrow. Well, HERE, about 102. Where YOU live, it may be different.

Start at the local level. You can access your county records online. Find
out what your zoning is if you don't already know it. You sound country,
and may be a zoning designation that would allow barbed wire. I live in an
agricultural zone, although it is very close to a residential area. The
codes specify how tall the fence can be, how many strand it may have, and
the level of the lowest strand from the ground.

No sense spending a dime until you find out exactly what you CAN do, as your
relatives would certainly have a good laugh if you spent bucks and had to
take it all down.

I don't envy your position. Any way you go, it is going to cost you, and
family dinners and get togethers will never be the same.

Know whut uh mean, Vern?

Good luck

Steve

Ah hell, as long as he's got family trouble, might as well make the best
of it. Maybe drive a skip loader through the side wall of his garage,
and flip his car upside down.

On Aug 2, 11:59*pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"hibb" wrote in message

...







No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them *And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

David, that's like writing here and asking what the weather is going to be
like tomorrow. *Well, HERE, about 102. *Where YOU live, it may be different.

Start at the local level. *You can access your county records online. *Find
out what your zoning is if you don't already know it. *You sound country,
and may be a zoning designation that would allow barbed wire. *I live in an
agricultural zone, although it is very close to a residential area. *The
codes specify how tall the fence can be, how many strand it may have, and
the level of the lowest strand from the ground.

No sense spending a dime until you find out exactly what you CAN do, as your
relatives would certainly have a good laugh if you spent bucks and had to
take it all down.

I don't envy your position. *Any way you go, it is going to cost you, and
family dinners and get togethers will never be the same.

Know whut uh mean, Vern?

Good luck

Steve

I have been mulling over giving the local zoning officer a call. She
enjoyed it too much when we didn't get a building permit for my last
addition for the house. She was just ribbing me tho and the contractor
did keep telling me he was going to do it and I waited until the
township treasurer sent word to get it done.

David

On Aug 3, 1:19*am, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,



*"SteveB" wrote:
"hibb" wrote in message
....
No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them *And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

David, that's like writing here and asking what the weather is going to be
like tomorrow. *Well, HERE, about 102. *Where YOU live, it may be different.

Start at the local level. *You can access your county records online. *Find
out what your zoning is if you don't already know it. *You sound country,
and may be a zoning designation that would allow barbed wire. *I live in an
agricultural zone, although it is very close to a residential area. *The
codes specify how tall the fence can be, how many strand it may have, and
the level of the lowest strand from the ground.

No sense spending a dime until you find out exactly what you CAN do, as your
relatives would certainly have a good laugh if you spent bucks and had to
take it all down.

I don't envy your position. *Any way you go, it is going to cost you, and
family dinners and get togethers will never be the same.

Know whut uh mean, Vern?

Good luck

Steve

Ah hell, as long as he's got family trouble, might as well make the best
of it. Maybe drive a skip loader through the side wall of his garage,
and flip his car upside down.

Ye think it would be OK if I used his skip loader to do it?

On Aug 3, 12:02*am, mike wrote:
On Aug 2, 9:56*am, hibb wrote:



No, I'm not selling stolen property. But there has been a bit of a
rift between my Brother-in-law and me and his property surrounds mine
on three sides. He did me the favor of having my property lines
surveyed for me so I know where my place is. So I am thinking of
putting up a fence around my property.

I am looking for something that is on the lower end of the cost scale
but still looks good. I don't need a security fence or to keep animals
out. I just need to keep my BIL and his family from driving their
tractors and trucks on my property, Sometimes they leave some deep
ruts in the lawn and don't even bother to fix them *And they still
encroach about 20 ft. onto my property with their corn field.

I would be fencing my property on three sides. The north and south
boundaries are 200 ft. from the road to the back of the lot. The back
line runs about 600 ft. There are no curves in the lot lines. The only
angles would be just the two 90 degree turns.

David

Shrubs or tress look good and can be cheap, depending on which ones
you choose. *You can also drive in steel t-posts to dissuade traffic
instantly, but you can claim you're just using them to train up your
plants.

I'd still talk it over with your neighbors, just to be nice.

I would like that but I do find it hard to be nice to anyone that
would not only take his bigger share of he dad's stuff but rip off his
handicapped sister for more. And he's already a millionaire for
Chrissake.

David

"Shy Picker" wrote

David, there's lots of issues here. Right now, tide's running high and
tempers are not normal. Best to not destroy something that can't be
repaired later. My SIL did that. email me if you want the ugly details
(address not munged).

Anyways, best bet is they have always driven over that land area and didnt
'just start doing it'. If so, plant a few small fruit trees (assuming you
are in an area where that is an option) and put tomato guards about them
when small so they can be seen. Don't plant too close as you want them to
grow, but you can plant them close enough that a farm vehicle would have to
go around. Don't worry about the 20 ft cornfield area. Just shift back 20
feet or make a cut out for it (leaving room if it's something they need to
get a farm harvester around so they can). Tell them once crops come in,
they are welcome to pick personal consumption levels for the house and if
the hired labor gets hungry and sees an apple, it's fair game.

This is a fence, that builds a bond, instead of breaks one.