Waterproof Membrane for water run off
 

I'm using gravel to provide an incline for water run off away from the
house Managed to snag a load of gravel for nothing, so might as
well use it. Plus this is under the eaves of a house and the gutters
occasionally leak and overflow, so gravel is being used to
prevent erosion.

I have one layer of gravel inclined away from the house and would
like to place a waterproof membrane over this layer, and then place
another layer of gravel on top. The first layer is already inclined
away from the house.

What type of membrane or plastic sheeting would be best to
use? Something that is fairly durable and long lasting.


Thanks in advance !!

Peter

Waterproof Membrane for water run off
 

Waterproof Membrane for water run off
 

"Red Green" wrote in message
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wrote in news:u5877598iigth4i3np5nmr3p8otq08ukro@
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I'm using gravel to provide an incline for water run off away from the
house Managed to snag a load of gravel for nothing, so might as
well use it. Plus this is under the eaves of a house and the gutters
occasionally leak and overflow, so gravel is being used to
prevent erosion.

I have one layer of gravel inclined away from the house and would
like to place a waterproof membrane over this layer, and then place
another layer of gravel on top. The first layer is already inclined
away from the house.

What type of membrane or plastic sheeting would be best to
use? Something that is fairly durable and long lasting.


Thanks in advance !!

Peter




fairly durable and long lasting.

And made to withstand water, temp extremes, sunlight and rocks on top?

Pond construction liner.

EDPM (vs PVC) liner would probably be the Crème de la Crop.

You didn't say cheap.

Maybe try roofing supplier as well. I believe I've seen in this group
that EDPM is used in certain roofing applications. I know the pond liners
run 20 and 45 mil thick.


I agree that would certainly be the ultimate choice.

Some lower cost options include 4-6 mil plastic or a single row of roofing
shingles placed end to end.

I would use landscape fabric cut into strips. It is not water proof but
would serve the purpose of allowing heavy flow to run off.

Waterproof Membrane for water run off
 

On Aug 1, 7:20�am, "Colbyt" wrote:
"Red Green" wrote in message

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wrote in news:u5877598iigth4i3np5nmr3p8otq08ukro@
4ax.com:

I'm using gravel to provide an incline for water run off away from the
house �Managed to snag a load of gravel for nothing, so might as
well use it. �Plus this is under the eaves of a house and the gutters
occasionally leak and overflow, �so gravel is being used to
prevent erosion.

� I have one layer of gravel inclined away from the house and would
like to place a waterproof membrane over this layer, �and then place
another layer of gravel �on top. � The first layer is already inclined
away from the house.

What type of membrane or plastic sheeting would be best to
use? � �Something that is fairly durable and long lasting.

Thanks in advance !!

Peter

fairly durable and long lasting.

And made to withstand water, temp extremes, sunlight and rocks on top?

� �Pond construction liner.

EDPM (vs PVC) liner would probably be the Cr�me de la Crop.

You didn't say cheap.

Maybe try roofing supplier as well. I believe I've seen in this group
that EDPM is used in certain roofing applications. I know the pond liners
run 20 and 45 mil thick.

I agree that would certainly be the ultimate choice.

Some lower cost options include �4-6 mil plastic or �a single row of roofing
shingles placed end to end.

I would use landscape fabric cut into strips. �It is not water proof but
would serve the purpose of allowing heavy flow to run off.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

install a perforated pipe running to daylight ...........

far better to upgrade to larger gutters and downspouts. water
cascading down side of home can cause big grief:( like rot, mold on
inside of home, detoriation of brick and even siding.

better to fix the real problem than try to redirect water.

Waterproof Membrane for water run off
 

On Aug 1, 8:45*am, bob haller wrote:
On Aug 1, 7:20 am, "Colbyt" wrote:





"Red Green" wrote in message

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wrote in news:u5877598iigth4i3np5nmr3p8otq08ukro@
4ax.com:

I'm using gravel to provide an incline for water run off away from the
house Managed to snag a load of gravel for nothing, so might as
well use it. Plus this is under the eaves of a house and the gutters
occasionally leak and overflow, so gravel is being used to
prevent erosion.

I have one layer of gravel inclined away from the house and would
like to place a waterproof membrane over this layer, and then place
another layer of gravel on top. The first layer is already inclined
away from the house.

What type of membrane or plastic sheeting would be best to
use? Something that is fairly durable and long lasting.

Thanks in advance !!

Peter

fairly durable and long lasting.

And made to withstand water, temp extremes, sunlight and rocks on top?

Pond construction liner.

EDPM (vs PVC) liner would probably be the Cr me de la Crop.

You didn't say cheap.

Maybe try roofing supplier as well. I believe I've seen in this group
that EDPM is used in certain roofing applications. I know the pond liners
run 20 and 45 mil thick.

I agree that would certainly be the ultimate choice.

Some lower cost options include 4-6 mil plastic or a single row of roofing
shingles placed end to end.

I would use landscape fabric cut into strips. It is not water proof but
would serve the purpose of allowing heavy flow to run off.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

install a perforated pipe running to daylight ...........

far better to upgrade to larger gutters and downspouts. water
cascading down side of home can cause big grief:( like rot, mold on
inside of home, detoriation of brick and even siding.

better to fix the real problem than try to redirect water.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I assume by gravel he means washed gravel or stone? If it's true
gravel, ie stones mixed with sand, clay, etc then I don;'t see the
point at all. Even with stone, it doesn't sound like a good plan to
put a membrane between the existing stone, then more stone on top.
The water has no place to go and with an irregular surface to the
membrane, will tend to pool up in spots and stay there until it
evaporates.

Normally, just having the grade slope away from the house is
sufficient to move water away

Waterproof Membrane for water run off
 

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wrote:



I assume by gravel he means washed gravel or stone? If it's true
gravel, ie stones mixed with sand, clay, etc then I don;'t see the
point at all. Even with stone, it doesn't sound like a good plan to
put a membrane between the existing stone, then more stone on top.
The water has no place to go and with an irregular surface to the
membrane, will tend to pool up in spots and stay there until it
evaporates.

Normally, just having the grade slope away from the house is
sufficient to move water away

It seems to me that he created the slope with the gravel. I agree the
whole concept seems a little half-baked.

Waterproof Membrane for water run off
 

The ground is still generally sloping away from the house, but there
are a few problem areas that need to be fixed and erosion areas
which needed to be prevented. The area is under a gutter which,
doesn't seem to handle the torrential thunderstorms during the summer
time.

Choice of material is more of an opportune thing.... I picked up
about one and a half tons of washed gravel no clay or soil....
sitting around doing absolutely nothing, so considered this would do
the job of preventing future erosion.... and because the gravel can
be inclined very nicely, a plastic membrane would help divert the
water into the backyard away from the foundation.... the fact
that some water MAY be retained in small pockets in the membrane
isn't all that important as there are foundation plants which could
use the moisture. I'm inclining the gravel about 24 " away from
the house, into another gently sloping area starting at 36 which
has foundation plants... so the runoff will have plenty of places
to be used.

Compelling reasons the gravel was 1 - free 2 already onsite 3 - I
needed to use it for something.. Beats the heck out of hauling fill
dirt. to regrade and then worry about compaction and erosion again.

Hopes that explains the why !!

Peter


On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 07:41:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Aug 1, 8:45*am, bob haller wrote:
On Aug 1, 7:20 am, "Colbyt" wrote:





"Red Green" wrote in message

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wrote in news:u5877598iigth4i3np5nmr3p8otq08ukro@
4ax.com:

I'm using gravel to provide an incline for water run off away from the
house Managed to snag a load of gravel for nothing, so might as
well use it. Plus this is under the eaves of a house and the gutters
occasionally leak and overflow, so gravel is being used to
prevent erosion.

I have one layer of gravel inclined away from the house and would
like to place a waterproof membrane over this layer, and then place
another layer of gravel on top. The first layer is already inclined
away from the house.

What type of membrane or plastic sheeting would be best to
use? Something that is fairly durable and long lasting.

Thanks in advance !!

Peter

fairly durable and long lasting.

And made to withstand water, temp extremes, sunlight and rocks on top?

Pond construction liner.

EDPM (vs PVC) liner would probably be the Cr me de la Crop.

You didn't say cheap.

Maybe try roofing supplier as well. I believe I've seen in this group
that EDPM is used in certain roofing applications. I know the pond liners
run 20 and 45 mil thick.

I agree that would certainly be the ultimate choice.

Some lower cost options include 4-6 mil plastic or a single row of roofing
shingles placed end to end.

I would use landscape fabric cut into strips. It is not water proof but
would serve the purpose of allowing heavy flow to run off.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

install a perforated pipe running to daylight ...........

far better to upgrade to larger gutters and downspouts. water
cascading down side of home can cause big grief:( like rot, mold on
inside of home, detoriation of brick and even siding.

better to fix the real problem than try to redirect water.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I assume by gravel he means washed gravel or stone? If it's true
gravel, ie stones mixed with sand, clay, etc then I don;'t see the
point at all. Even with stone, it doesn't sound like a good plan to
put a membrane between the existing stone, then more stone on top.
The water has no place to go and with an irregular surface to the
membrane, will tend to pool up in spots and stay there until it
evaporates.

Normally, just having the grade slope away from the house is
sufficient to move water away

Waterproof Membrane for water run off
 

bob haller wrote:
On Aug 1, 7:20�am, "Colbyt" wrote:
"Red Green" wrote in message

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wrote in news:u5877598iigth4i3np5nmr3p8otq08ukro@
4ax.com:
I'm using gravel to provide an incline for water run off away from the
house �Managed to snag a load of gravel for nothing, so might as
well use it. �Plus this is under the eaves of a house and the gutters
occasionally leak and overflow, �so gravel is being used to
prevent erosion.
� I have one layer of gravel inclined away from the house and would
like to place a waterproof membrane over this layer, �and then place
another layer of gravel �on top. � The first layer is already inclined
away from the house.
What type of membrane or plastic sheeting would be best to
use? � �Something that is fairly durable and long lasting.
Thanks in advance !!
Peter
fairly durable and long lasting.
And made to withstand water, temp extremes, sunlight and rocks on top?
� �Pond construction liner.
EDPM (vs PVC) liner would probably be the Cr�me de la Crop.
You didn't say cheap.
Maybe try roofing supplier as well. I believe I've seen in this group
that EDPM is used in certain roofing applications. I know the pond liners
run 20 and 45 mil thick.
I agree that would certainly be the ultimate choice.

Some lower cost options include �4-6 mil plastic or �a single row of roofing
shingles placed end to end.

I would use landscape fabric cut into strips. �It is not water proof but
would serve the purpose of allowing heavy flow to run off.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

install a perforated pipe running to daylight ...........

far better to upgrade to larger gutters and downspouts. water
cascading down side of home can cause big grief:( like rot, mold on
inside of home, detoriation of brick and even siding.

better to fix the real problem than try to redirect water.
Hmmm,
Some learns things the HARD way. Doing things first time right saves a
lot in the long run. I think the real problem is undersized gutter system.

Waterproof Membrane for water run off
 

In article ,
Tony Hwang wrote:

bob haller wrote:
On Aug 1, 7:20?am, "Colbyt" wrote:
"Red Green" wrote in message

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wrote in news:u5877598iigth4i3np5nmr3p8otq08ukro@
4ax.com:
I'm using gravel to provide an incline for water run off away from the
house ?Managed to snag a load of gravel for nothing, so might as
well use it. ?Plus this is under the eaves of a house and the gutters
occasionally leak and overflow, ?so gravel is being used to
prevent erosion.
? I have one layer of gravel inclined away from the house and would
like to place a waterproof membrane over this layer, ?and then place
another layer of gravel ?on top. ? The first layer is already inclined
away from the house.
What type of membrane or plastic sheeting would be best to
use? ? ?Something that is fairly durable and long lasting.
Thanks in advance !!
Peter
fairly durable and long lasting.
And made to withstand water, temp extremes, sunlight and rocks on top?
? ?Pond construction liner.
EDPM (vs PVC) liner would probably be the Cr?me de la Crop.
You didn't say cheap.
Maybe try roofing supplier as well. I believe I've seen in this group
that EDPM is used in certain roofing applications. I know the pond liners
run 20 and 45 mil thick.
I agree that would certainly be the ultimate choice.

Some lower cost options include ?4-6 mil plastic or ?a single row of
roofing
shingles placed end to end.

I would use landscape fabric cut into strips. ?It is not water proof but
would serve the purpose of allowing heavy flow to run off.- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

install a perforated pipe running to daylight ...........

far better to upgrade to larger gutters and downspouts. water
cascading down side of home can cause big grief:( like rot, mold on
inside of home, detoriation of brick and even siding.

better to fix the real problem than try to redirect water.
Hmmm,
Some learns things the HARD way. Doing things first time right saves a
lot in the long run. I think the real problem is undersized gutter system.

I'm not keen on the OP's plan either, but I'm not sure that I agree with
the gutter system being undersized. The definition of "torrential"
varies with location, but I recall a storm where we got 2 inches of rain
in 20 minutes. I'm not sure the gutter system exists that could handle
that.

Waterproof Membrane for water run off
 

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:04:54 -0400, wrote:



I'm using gravel to provide an incline for water run off away from the
house Managed to snag a load of gravel for nothing, so might as
well use it. Plus this is under the eaves of a house and the gutters
occasionally leak and overflow, so gravel is being used to
prevent erosion.

I have one layer of gravel inclined away from the house and would
like to place a waterproof membrane over this layer, and then place
another layer of gravel on top. The first layer is already inclined
away from the house.

What type of membrane or plastic sheeting would be best to
use? Something that is fairly durable and long lasting.


Thanks in advance !!

Peter


Thanks again for all the responses..... the pond liner membrane
seems to be the best and is readily available. Roofing material
is a second best. Both are good suggestions for the purpose.

Torrential downpours, those who have experienced them know
what they are like..... those who haven't experienced them haven't
a clue. This is Maryland, the humidity bowl of the East, with
the Chesapeake on one side and the mountains on the other. July
and August temps in the 90's and occasionally triple digits. High
humidity... I was actually watching the haze from evaporating water
yesterday while the thunderheads were starting to grow... hours later
it was coming down in buckets. An hour later the sun was out again.

Anyway... as always, thanks for sharing your knowledge and
experience. The people in this newsgroup are the most helpful in
the world !!!

Peter

Waterproof Membrane for water run off
 

I didn't see your first post. I think you will find one of the 10
or 15 mil vapor barriers your best choice.

Example:
Perminator
http://www.wrmeadows.com/wrm00068.htm


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wrote in message
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:04:54 -0400, wrote:



I'm using gravel to provide an incline for water run off away
from the
house Managed to snag a load of gravel for nothing, so might as
well use it. Plus this is under the eaves of a house and the
gutters
occasionally leak and overflow, so gravel is being used to
prevent erosion.

I have one layer of gravel inclined away from the house and
would
like to place a waterproof membrane over this layer, and then
place
another layer of gravel on top. The first layer is already
inclined
away from the house.

What type of membrane or plastic sheeting would be best to
use? Something that is fairly durable and long lasting.


Thanks in advance !!

Peter


Thanks again for all the responses..... the pond liner
membrane
seems to be the best and is readily available. Roofing
material
is a second best. Both are good suggestions for the purpose.

Torrential downpours, those who have experienced them know
what they are like..... those who haven't experienced them
haven't
a clue. This is Maryland, the humidity bowl of the East,
with
the Chesapeake on one side and the mountains on the other. July
and August temps in the 90's and occasionally triple digits.
High
humidity... I was actually watching the haze from evaporating
water
yesterday while the thunderheads were starting to grow... hours
later
it was coming down in buckets. An hour later the sun was out
again.

Anyway... as always, thanks for sharing your knowledge and
experience. The people in this newsgroup are the most helpful
in
the world !!!

Peter