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Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
UPDATE:
Well, I opened up the wall and found the source of the leak. There was crack in the concrete wall that had been caulked over. It rained a couple of times today and water poured out of the crack about 4 inches off the floor. http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/crack.jpg The good news is that that area is only 2 feet under grade. The strange thing is that after I pulled some of the loose caulk away was that a lot of the water coming out of the crack that then drained out of 1/8" vertical separation between the wall and the floor. Looking around the interwebs it looks like every crack repair company says their solution is better than all the rest. Anybody got any suggestions? DIY? __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4271 (20090723) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:23:53 -0400, "CraigT"
wrote: UPDATE: Well, I opened up the wall and found the source of the leak. There was crack in the concrete wall that had been caulked over. It rained a couple of times today and water poured out of the crack about 4 inches off the floor. Does it leak after the sprinklers run? If so, consider moving that one or capping it off. http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/crack.jpg The good news is that that area is only 2 feet under grade. You could dig a good size area out below grade and tar/place a membrane of the outside wall. Dig deeper and add some stone for drainage. The strange thing is that after I pulled some of the loose caulk away was that a lot of the water coming out of the crack that then drained out of 1/8" vertical separation between the wall and the floor. To really prepare the crack for repair, it may be necessary to use a 4" angle grinder with a diamond blade to slightly open/bevel the crack up a little. It makes for a better repair, Imo. Looking around the interwebs it looks like every crack repair company says their solution is better than all the rest. Anybody got any suggestions? DIY? Butyl caulk (bitch-a-thane) will stick to a ball of lard. They build buses, trains and other things with it. DIY two cents. |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
Caulk isn't very good for having water push it out of a hole/crack
like that (it'd work better on the outside of the wall). How about patching with concrete then painting over with leak-blocking paint? I got some of that paint at HD and it seems to work pretty well. |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
"CraigT" wrote in
: I forget the name but the hardware stores sell some crack repair stuff that expands in the crack which prevents water pressure from pushing it out of the crack. You can squeeze it in from the inside of the basement. Best results require good cleaning of the crack. Only use the expanding stuff. People will try to sell you on hydraulic cement but that does not expand and will not solve your problem. |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
Oren wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:23:53 -0400, "CraigT" wrote: UPDATE: Well, I opened up the wall and found the source of the leak. There was crack in the concrete wall that had been caulked over. It rained a couple of times today and water poured out of the crack about 4 inches off the floor. Does it leak after the sprinklers run? If so, consider moving that one or capping it off. http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/crack.jpg The good news is that that area is only 2 feet under grade. You could dig a good size area out below grade and tar/place a membrane of the outside wall. Dig deeper and add some stone for drainage. The strange thing is that after I pulled some of the loose caulk away was that a lot of the water coming out of the crack that then drained out of 1/8" vertical separation between the wall and the floor. To really prepare the crack for repair, it may be necessary to use a 4" angle grinder with a diamond blade to slightly open/bevel the crack up a little. It makes for a better repair, Imo. Looking around the interwebs it looks like every crack repair company says their solution is better than all the rest. Anybody got any suggestions? DIY? Butyl caulk (bitch-a-thane) will stick to a ball of lard. They build buses, trains and other things with it. DIY two cents. but if water is "pouring out" patching the crack could just cause hydraulic pressure on the wall, and then the crack will open up more (as well as making the wall bulge.) How's the french drains? nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
on 7/23/2009 6:50 PM (ET) Reno wrote the following:
"CraigT" wrote in : I forget the name but the hardware stores sell some crack repair stuff that expands in the crack which prevents water pressure from pushing it out of the crack. You can squeeze it in from the inside of the basement. Best results require good cleaning of the crack. Only use the expanding stuff. People will try to sell you on hydraulic cement but that does not expand and will not solve your problem. UGL DryLok. Fast Plug Can be used even when the water is flowing. |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
on 7/23/2009 7:13 PM (ET) willshak wrote the following:
on 7/23/2009 6:50 PM (ET) Reno wrote the following: "CraigT" wrote in : I forget the name but the hardware stores sell some crack repair stuff that expands in the crack which prevents water pressure from pushing it out of the crack. You can squeeze it in from the inside of the basement. Best results require good cleaning of the crack. Only use the expanding stuff. People will try to sell you on hydraulic cement but that does not expand and will not solve your problem. UGL DryLok. Fast Plug Can be used even when the water is flowing. Sorry, move the period after DryLok to after Fast Plug. |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
CraigT wrote:
UPDATE: Well, I opened up the wall and found the source of the leak. There was crack in the concrete wall that had been caulked over. It rained a couple of times today and water poured out of the crack about 4 inches off the floor. http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/crack.jpg The good news is that that area is only 2 feet under grade. The strange thing is that after I pulled some of the loose caulk away was that a lot of the water coming out of the crack that then drained out of 1/8" vertical separation between the wall and the floor. Looking around the interwebs it looks like every crack repair company says their solution is better than all the rest. Anybody got any suggestions? DIY? Whatever you decide, patch if from the outside (also). |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
On Jul 23, 3:23*pm, "CraigT" wrote:
UPDATE: Well, I opened up the wall and found the source of the leak. There was crack in the concrete wall that had been caulked over. It rained a couple of times today and water poured out of the crack about 4 inches off the floor. http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/crack.jpg The good news is that that area is only 2 feet under grade. The strange thing is that after I pulled some of the loose caulk away was that a lot of the water coming out of the crack that then drained out of 1/8" vertical separation between the wall and the floor. Looking around the interwebs it looks like every crack repair company says their solution is better than all the rest. Anybody got any suggestions? DIY? __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4271 (20090723) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com After all these years the crack is dirty and maybe moldy, no repair will adhere until its cleaned and the only way I know is Muriatic acid or chisel and grind into clean concrete, acid takes a bit of care and needs a good hosing , it fumes and you wont remove anything loose.You can do two part epoxy, silicone caulk and other caulks, mortar, and im sure many other ways to stop it. If you know it has settled completely mortar would work fine. On old foundations ive chiseled to remove anything loose and make a bigger hole so I can get deeper with the repair and used mortar and oil base UGL since my wall was real wet. The foundation is thick so try to be sure you fill in as much as you can, more than 1/4", at least 1" id guess. It may still be settling thats why I thought of silicone sealant caulk, it will flex and hold longer. Never buy old silicone, look at the expiration date and dont go near it as it might have been stored at 150f in a whore house [warehouse] in mexico. |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
On Jul 23, 7:13*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
CraigT wrote: UPDATE: Well, I opened up the wall and found the source of the leak. There was crack in the concrete wall that had been caulked over. It rained a couple of times today and water poured out of the crack about 4 inches off the floor. http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/crack.jpg The good news is that that area is only 2 feet under grade. The strange thing is that after I pulled some of the loose caulk away was that a lot of the water coming out of the crack that then drained out of 1/8" vertical separation between the wall and the floor. Looking around the interwebs it looks like every crack repair company says their solution is better than all the rest. Anybody got any suggestions? DIY? Whatever you decide, patch if from the outside (also).- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Since its only 2 ft down, outside won be that hard |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
The strange thing is that after I pulled some of the loose caulk away was that a lot of the water coming out of the crack that then drained out of 1/8" vertical separation between the wall and the floor. That indicates that you have drainage issues, which is probably the reason why you have cracks in the wall to begin with. The soil around the foundation is over saturated with water and the resulting hydrostatic pressure is what is causing the problem. No crack repair will hold if you don't do anything to solve the drainage issue and relieve the hydrostatic pressure. Check your gutters, extend the downspouts as far from the house as possible, grade the terrain as to slope away from the foundation and keep sprinkles, garden hoses and plants that need constant watering away from the foundation walls. In other words, do your best to keep that soil as dry as possible. If that doesn't help, you might need to install a new drain tile. Formerly you would have to dig out the foundation and install or replace the drain tile by the footing. Nowadays, you can do it internally, installing the drain tile along the internal perimeter of basement walls, to collect the water and a sump pump to get it out and away from the basement. Once you relieve that pressure you will need to clean up (and dry up) the wall crack and then patch it.Keep in mind that basement walls move: they settle with the soil and they expand and contract with temperature variations.So hard cement based compounds will not work, and will be only a temporary solution. You will need a rubbery compound that will follow the wall movements without crumbling or cracking. Here's some information on wall cracks - http://www.basement-repair.com/found...ll-cracks.html And on wall crack repair, with an explanation of all different methods and options: http://www.basement-repair.com/found...al-cracks.html Hope that helps. |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
On Jul 24, 9:11�am, Cy Freeney wrote:
The strange thing is that after I pulled some of the loose caulk away was that a lot of the water coming out of the crack that then drained out of 1/8" vertical separation between the wall and the floor. That indicates that you have drainage issues, which is probably the reason why you have cracks in the wall to begin with. The soil around the foundation is over saturated with water and the resulting hydrostatic pressure is what is causing the problem. No crack repair will hold if you don't do anything to solve the drainage issue and relieve the hydrostatic pressure. Check your gutters, extend the downspouts as far from the house as possible, grade the terrain as to slope away from the foundation and keep sprinkles, garden hoses and plants that need constant watering away from the foundation walls. In other words, do your best to keep that soil as dry as possible. If that doesn't help, you might need to install a new drain tile. Formerly you would have to dig out the foundation and install or replace the drain tile by the footing. Nowadays, you can do it internally, installing the drain tile along the internal perimeter of basement walls, to collect the water and a sump pump to get it out and away from the basement. Once you relieve that pressure you will need to clean up (and dry up) the wall crack and then patch it.Keep in mind that basement walls move: they settle with the soil and they expand and contract with temperature variations.So hard cement based compounds will not work, and will be only a temporary solution. You will need a rubbery compound that will follow the wall movements without crumbling or cracking. Here's some information on wall cracks - http://www.basement-repair.com/found...ll-cracks.html And on wall crack repair, with an explanation of all different methods and options: http://www.basement-repair.com/found...ertical-cracks.... Hope that helps. interior french drain is the best solution once you elminate the easy fixes like downspouts. theres no way to seal the walls good enough and besides they are cracking |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
On Jul 24, 10:41*am, bob haller wrote:
On Jul 24, 9:11 am, Cy Freeney wrote: The strange thing is that after I pulled some of the loose caulk away was that a lot of the water coming out of the crack that then drained out of 1/8" vertical separation between the wall and the floor. That indicates that you have drainage issues, which is probably the reason why you have cracks in the wall to begin with. The soil around the foundation is over saturated with water and the resulting hydrostatic pressure is what is causing the problem. No crack repair will hold if you don't do anything to solve the drainage issue and relieve the hydrostatic pressure. Check your gutters, extend the downspouts as far from the house as possible, grade the terrain as to slope away from the foundation and keep sprinkles, garden hoses and plants that need constant watering away from the foundation walls. In other words, do your best to keep that soil as dry as possible. If that doesn't help, you might need to install a new drain tile. Formerly you would have to dig out the foundation and install or replace the drain tile by the footing. Nowadays, you can do it internally, installing the drain tile along the internal perimeter of basement walls, to collect the water and a sump pump to get it out and away from the basement. Once you relieve that pressure you will need to clean up (and dry up) the wall crack and then patch it.Keep in mind that basement walls move: they settle with the soil and they expand and contract with temperature variations.So hard cement based compounds will not work, and will be only a temporary solution. You will need a rubbery compound that will follow the wall movements without crumbling or cracking. Here's some information on wall cracks - http://www.basement-repair.com/found...ll-cracks.html And on wall crack repair, with an explanation of all different methods and options: http://www.basement-repair.com/found...ertical-cracks.... Hope that helps. interior french drain is the best solution once you elminate the easy fixes like downspouts. theres no way to seal the walls good enough and besides they are cracking- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I agree with some of the other posters. The best first move is to get the water away from the house as much as possible. Extend the gutters. Reposition the sprinkler head so it is away from the house ans sprays away. If needed regrade so you have swells that direct water away. If you have to seal the wall, do it from the outside. Sealing on the inside is worthless and will simply fail again. Plus the wall is being damaged by the water. |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
On Jul 23, 3:23*pm, "CraigT" wrote:
UPDATE: Well, I opened up the wall and found the source of the leak. There was crack in the concrete wall that had been caulked over. It rained a couple of times today and water poured out of the crack about 4 inches off the floor. http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/crack.jpg The good news is that that area is only 2 feet under grade. The strange thing is that after I pulled some of the loose caulk away was that a lot of the water coming out of the crack that then drained out of 1/8" vertical separation between the wall and the floor. Looking around the interwebs it looks like every crack repair company says their solution is better than all the rest. Anybody got any suggestions? DIY? __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4271 (20090723) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com In my old house I had a crack "volclayed" with an injection method, it worked, but not 100%. If it is only 2 feet below grade I'd just dig it up, expose and clean the wall and have someone repair the crack and waterproof it properly. Its hit or miss with the injection method (IMHO) unless they improved it in the past 15 years or so. |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:40:33 -0700 (PDT), Shaun Eli
wrote: Caulk isn't very good for having water push it out of a hole/crack like that (it'd work better on the outside of the wall). How about patching with concrete then painting over with leak-blocking paint? I got some of that paint at HD and it seems to work pretty well. Holes drilled at an angle into the crack, with expanding sealer (usually urethane or an epoxy)) forced in fills the crack from the middle out to both surfaces and is considered a permanent repair |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 22:50:08 GMT, Reno wrote:
"CraigT" wrote in : I forget the name but the hardware stores sell some crack repair stuff that expands in the crack which prevents water pressure from pushing it out of the crack. You can squeeze it in from the inside of the basement. Best results require good cleaning of the crack. Only use the expanding stuff. People will try to sell you on hydraulic cement but that does not expand and will not solve your problem. Hydraulic cement DOES expand. At least the stuff I've used over the years does. |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
"Cy Freeney" wrote in message ... The strange thing is that after I pulled some of the loose caulk away was that a lot of the water coming out of the crack that then drained out of 1/8" vertical separation between the wall and the floor. That indicates that you have drainage issues, which is probably the reason why you have cracks in the wall to begin with. The soil around the foundation is over saturated with water and the resulting hydrostatic pressure is what is causing the problem. No crack repair will hold if you don't do anything to solve the drainage issue and relieve the hydrostatic pressure. Check your gutters, extend the downspouts as far from the house as possible, grade the terrain as to slope away from the foundation and keep sprinkles, garden hoses and plants that need constant watering away from the foundation walls. In other words, do your best to keep that soil as dry as possible. If that doesn't help, you might need to install a new drain tile. Formerly you would have to dig out the foundation and install or replace the drain tile by the footing. Nowadays, you can do it internally, installing the drain tile along the internal perimeter of basement walls, to collect the water and a sump pump to get it out and away from the basement. Once you relieve that pressure you will need to clean up (and dry up) the wall crack and then patch it.Keep in mind that basement walls move: they settle with the soil and they expand and contract with temperature variations.So hard cement based compounds will not work, and will be only a temporary solution. You will need a rubbery compound that will follow the wall movements without crumbling or cracking. Here's some information on wall cracks - http://www.basement-repair.com/found...ll-cracks.html And on wall crack repair, with an explanation of all different methods and options: http://www.basement-repair.com/found...al-cracks.html Hope that helps. Thanks for the links. I don't think the ground is super saturated or is their high hydrostatic pressure. The area of the crack is only 2 feet under grade. The crack seems to be a stress crack from settling (house is only 8 years old). The water has been held back for the entire 4 years I've been the house by nothing more that caulk. The leak is 20 inches to right of that window and note the grade: http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/leak.jpg Gutters are clean and twenty plus feet up in a 8 year old sub-division. Not much chance for plugging unless done by varmints. All downspouts enter irrigation pipe in which they and my sump pump drain into a pond that runs behind all the houses. http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/IMG_6629.JPG Walkout basement floor is probably 6 feet higher than the high water mark of the pond. My sump pump only runs during times of very inclement weather. Given that the crack is only 2 feet under grade I'd like to address the crack from the outside, but all the flexible repair products seem to be designed for use from the interior. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4275 (20090724) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
"CraigT" wrote in message ... "Cy Freeney" wrote in message ... The strange thing is that after I pulled some of the loose caulk away was that a lot of the water coming out of the crack that then drained out of 1/8" vertical separation between the wall and the floor. That indicates that you have drainage issues, which is probably the reason why you have cracks in the wall to begin with. The soil around the foundation is over saturated with water and the resulting hydrostatic pressure is what is causing the problem. No crack repair will hold if you don't do anything to solve the drainage issue and relieve the hydrostatic pressure. Check your gutters, extend the downspouts as far from the house as possible, grade the terrain as to slope away from the foundation and keep sprinkles, garden hoses and plants that need constant watering away from the foundation walls. In other words, do your best to keep that soil as dry as possible. If that doesn't help, you might need to install a new drain tile. Formerly you would have to dig out the foundation and install or replace the drain tile by the footing. Nowadays, you can do it internally, installing the drain tile along the internal perimeter of basement walls, to collect the water and a sump pump to get it out and away from the basement. Once you relieve that pressure you will need to clean up (and dry up) the wall crack and then patch it.Keep in mind that basement walls move: they settle with the soil and they expand and contract with temperature variations.So hard cement based compounds will not work, and will be only a temporary solution. You will need a rubbery compound that will follow the wall movements without crumbling or cracking. Here's some information on wall cracks - http://www.basement-repair.com/found...ll-cracks.html And on wall crack repair, with an explanation of all different methods and options: http://www.basement-repair.com/found...al-cracks.html Hope that helps. Thanks for the links. I don't think the ground is super saturated or is their high hydrostatic pressure. The area of the crack is only 2 feet under grade. The crack seems to be a stress crack from settling (house is only 8 years old). The water has been held back for the entire 4 years I've been the house by nothing more that caulk. The leak is 20 inches to right of that window and note the grade: http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/leak.jpg Gutters are clean and twenty plus feet up in a 8 year old sub-division. Not much chance for plugging unless done by varmints. All downspouts enter irrigation pipe in which they and my sump pump drain into a pond that runs behind all the houses. http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/IMG_6629.JPG Walkout basement floor is probably 6 feet higher than the high water mark of the pond. My sump pump only runs during times of very inclement weather. Given that the crack is only 2 feet under grade I'd like to address the crack from the outside, but all the flexible repair products seem to be designed for use from the interior. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4275 (20090724) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Use some Quikrete Hydraulic Water Stop Cement to fix the crack and then seal the area with roofing tar/foundation coating or similar... |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
Dig outside and fix it right. You won't have to worry about it again. I
worked for a builder and every time they made me waste my time trying to " **** repair " a cracked wall from inside a year later I was there facing a very ****ed off home owner.And it never seemed to fail It would be in the winter I would be out there digging in the snow.Those damn builders always did it the cheepest way twice. Jerry http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutc...oodWorkingPage http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutcher/1974RuppCentair |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:16:51 -0400, "CraigT"
wrote: Given that the crack is only 2 feet under grade I'd like to address the crack from the outside, but all the flexible repair products seem to be designed for use from the interior. A butyl rubber membrane. Some types have adhesive on one side. A piece a pond liner or shower pan liner with tar will stop the leak. Sample pic: http://www.selec****erproofingusa.co...20basement.jpg |
Update to: Leak in my basement (found the source)
CraigT wrote:
I don't think the ground is super saturated or is their high hydrostatic pressure. The area of the crack is only 2 feet under grade. The crack seems to be a stress crack from settling (house is only 8 years old). The water has been held back for the entire 4 years I've been the house by nothing more that caulk. The leak is 20 inches to right of that window and note the grade: http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/leak.jpg Where is the water coming from? Your house is not a swimming pool. Trying to stop leaks seldom/never works for long. You first must identify where the water is coming from. Most of the time it comes from leaky gutters or from drainage pipe often wrapped around your house tied into the downspouts. You can find out by sticking a hose in the gutters and run water for at least an hour, or run the downspouts temporarily through a flexible downspout hose extension that takes the water away from the foundation If you are getting ground water (not from your roof) you probably will need to put in a french drain. If your walls are only 2 feet below grade, a french drain would be fairly easy. Fixing gutters or drainage tile is the easiest and easiest to investigate. Gutters are clean and twenty plus feet up in a 8 year old sub-division. Not much chance for plugging unless done by varmints. It's pretty easy to look at them when it rains and make sure they are not leaking. It's also possible that the drainage tile is leaking from settling. roots, poor installation etc. I once had a house that leaked, and turnout the terra cotta drainage tile around the house was destroyed. It was about 1 1/2 feet below the ground and looked like someone attacked it with a sledge hammer... The idea is to remove the water source if possible. Removing or stopping the water after it seeps through your walls is not a good solution. Foundation cracks are part of life, no need to worry much about them if if water is out of the equation, which is what you want to shoot for. All downspouts enter irrigation pipe in which they and my sump pump drain into a pond that runs behind all the houses. http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/Squisher/IMG_6629.JPG Walkout basement floor is probably 6 feet higher than the high water mark of the pond. My sump pump only runs during times of very inclement weather. I guess you don't have enough fall to slope a pipe to the pond? I also assume your basement leaks only during times of very inclement weather, when the sump pump runs? Given that the crack is only 2 feet under grade I'd like to address the crack from the outside, Is your basement only 2 feet under grade, or is just this crack 2 feet under grade? Are your walls concrete block, poured cement or something else? If water is building up around your walls, there are very likely many places it seeps in. but all the flexible repair products seem to be designed for use from the interior. Thats because it seems far easier to try the inside repair. Often it's easier to fix a gutter/drainage tile problem. After you do this inside "fix" several times, you will eventually be back to finding the source of the water, and stopping it from reaching your walls in the first place. If you need a french drain, you will be digging out the outside walls, and there are lots of products intended to seal the walls from the outside. The big thing still is to get the water away, if you can't, then french drain is the solution. -- Jack Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/ http://jbstein.com |
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