Turns out around here at leaste, probably everywhere, drain pipe
relining isn't cheaper than replacing the drain pipe. In fact I think
it's more expecnsive. However it is done in one day, and doesn't
require digging up more than about 3'x2' of the front lawn. They
advertise that you can keep your business open while they do the job.

Perhaps they can do it from the clean-out in the basement. The
webpage didn't say this but the secretary thought she had heard of it.
That would mean no digging, no filling, cheaper and quicker, if it's
possible.

I finally reached a plumbing company which does this, and the company
charges 100 to 125 dollar per foot, at least for a 4" drain pipe, and
that includes everything including video before and after. If they
video it and it can't be repaired this way, they charge 300 to 350 for
the trip out and the video. (At that point I didn't have nerve enough
to ask her what the odds were that they would video it and say it
didn't need relining OR a new pipe. Because the thing is already
working now.)

She said the travel time, I think from Virginia to Baltimore County
would cost 125 for what they know takes 3 hours. I think that was part
of the 350 for the trip out and the video, if the person didn't go
farther with them after the video.

Maybe there is a company in Baltimore that does relining, but when I
googled Baltimore "Pipe relining", the only one I found and looked at
was this one in Virginia. The webpages make it look good and one
person here months ago recommended it, so I don't know why my look at
google didn't find anyone around here promoting it.


My friend didn't need a new drain pipe after the county snaked out his
drain through the cleanout in the yard.

But he's still perturbed that the plumber removed his basement toilet
to snake/rotoroot the drain since there was a cleanout obvious in the
next room, and only 4 feet from where the same plumber had reconnected
the dishwasher.

He's also very perturbed that the plumber rotoed the drain twice, the
second time with a larger blade, and still didn't unclog it. The
plumber said he used all his cable, which was 100 feet, which the
distance to the public sewer is no more than 70 or 80 feet, and still
didn't succeed.

I'm annoyed by those two things and even more because he told him to
hire another guy to dig up and replace the whole drain line, for more
than 3000 dollars.

It's only because I nagged him

On Jul 2, 3:35�pm, mm wrote:
Turns out around here at leaste, probably everywhere, drain pipe
relining isn't cheaper than replacing the drain pipe. �In fact I think
it's more expecnsive. �However it is done in one day, and doesn't
require digging up more than about 3'x2' of the front lawn. �They
advertise that you can keep your business open while they do the job.

Perhaps they can do it from the clean-out in the basement. �The
webpage didn't say this but the secretary thought she had heard of it.
That would mean no digging, no filling, cheaper and quicker, if it's
possible.

I finally reached a plumbing company which does this, and the company
charges 100 to 125 dollar per foot, at least for a 4" drain pipe, and
that includes everything including video before and after. � If they
video it and it can't be repaired this way, they charge 300 to 350 for
the trip out and the video. (At that point I didn't have nerve enough
to ask her what the odds were that they would video it and say it
didn't need relining OR a new pipe. �Because the thing is already
working now.)

She said the travel time, I think from Virginia to Baltimore County
would cost 125 for what they know takes 3 hours. I think that was part
of the 350 for the trip out and the video, if the person didn't go
farther with them after the video.

Maybe there is a company in Baltimore that does relining, but when I
googled Baltimore "Pipe relining", the only one I found and looked at
was this one in Virginia. � The webpages make it look good and one
person here months ago recommended it, so I don't know why my look at
google didn't find anyone around here promoting it.

My friend didn't need a new drain pipe after the county snaked out his
drain through the cleanout in the yard. �

But he's still perturbed that the plumber removed his basement toilet
to snake/rotoroot the drain since there was a cleanout obvious in the
next room, and only 4 feet from where the same plumber had reconnected
the dishwasher. �

He's also very perturbed that the plumber rotoed the drain twice, the
second time with a larger blade, and still didn't unclog it. �The
plumber said he used all his cable, which was 100 feet, which the
distance to the public sewer is no more than 70 or 80 feet, and still
didn't succeed.

I'm annoyed by those two things and even more because he told him to
hire another guy to dig up and replace the whole drain line, for more
than 3000 dollars.

It's only because I nagged him

relining saves restoration and digging.

its actual cost is probably far less than charged, its targeted to
people who want convenience

In article ,
mm wrote:

But he's still perturbed that the plumber removed his basement toilet
to snake/rotoroot the drain since there was a cleanout obvious in the
next room, and only 4 feet from where the same plumber had reconnected
the dishwasher.

A fellow ought to be familiar enough with his own home that he can tell
the plumber where the cleanout is.

mm wrote:
Turns out around here at leaste, probably everywhere, drain pipe
relining isn't cheaper than replacing the drain pipe. In fact I think
it's more expecnsive. However it is done in one day, and doesn't
require digging up more than about 3'x2' of the front lawn. They
advertise that you can keep your business open while they do the job.

Perhaps they can do it from the clean-out in the basement. The
webpage didn't say this but the secretary thought she had heard of it.
That would mean no digging, no filling, cheaper and quicker, if it's
possible.

I finally reached a plumbing company which does this, and the company
charges 100 to 125 dollar per foot, at least for a 4" drain pipe, and
that includes everything including video before and after. If they
video it and it can't be repaired this way, they charge 300 to 350 for
the trip out and the video. (At that point I didn't have nerve enough
to ask her what the odds were that they would video it and say it
didn't need relining OR a new pipe. Because the thing is already
working now.)

She said the travel time, I think from Virginia to Baltimore County
would cost 125 for what they know takes 3 hours. I think that was part
of the 350 for the trip out and the video, if the person didn't go
farther with them after the video.

Maybe there is a company in Baltimore that does relining, but when I
googled Baltimore "Pipe relining", the only one I found and looked at
was this one in Virginia. The webpages make it look good and one
person here months ago recommended it, so I don't know why my look at
google didn't find anyone around here promoting it.


My friend didn't need a new drain pipe after the county snaked out his
drain through the cleanout in the yard.

But he's still perturbed that the plumber removed his basement toilet
to snake/rotoroot the drain since there was a cleanout obvious in the
next room, and only 4 feet from where the same plumber had reconnected
the dishwasher.

He's also very perturbed that the plumber rotoed the drain twice, the
second time with a larger blade, and still didn't unclog it. The
plumber said he used all his cable, which was 100 feet, which the
distance to the public sewer is no more than 70 or 80 feet, and still
didn't succeed.

I'm annoyed by those two things and even more because he told him to
hire another guy to dig up and replace the whole drain line, for more
than 3000 dollars.

It's only because I nagged him

You need to make friends with some alien/immigrant handy-man.

My son's next door neighbor is a Guatemalan. The neighbor dug up my son's
70' sewer drain (original pipe made of moderately thick cardboard or
somesuch) and replaced it with some super plastic pipe with half-inch thick
walls. The trench ran from 2' deep at the house to about 7' at the sanitary
sewer connection. That's a LOT of dirt.

Anyway, the project cost my son $550 total.

I used the same guy to take down a dead 40' oak tree, cut into logs, and
carried to the curb. $180.00.

Ain't an underground economy swell?

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Ain't an underground economy swell?

I guess that depends on your perspective. If you're trying to make a
living by competing against it, then you might say, no, it isn't swell.

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:47:05 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:


It's only because I nagged him

relining saves restoration and digging.

its actual cost is probably far less than charged, its targeted to
people who want convenience

You know, yo're right. It couldn't possibly cost 100 or 125 dollars a
foot for materials, and it couldnt' take so much labor. But as long
as digging and replacing the pipe is as expensive as it is, they can
still be a little more than that. Maybe there's room for dickering.

Smitty, my friend might have been at work. Some people have to go to
work.

HeyBub wrote:
mm wrote:
Turns out around here at leaste, probably everywhere, drain pipe
relining isn't cheaper than replacing the drain pipe. In fact I think
it's more expecnsive. However it is done in one day, and doesn't
require digging up more than about 3'x2' of the front lawn. They
advertise that you can keep your business open while they do the job.

Perhaps they can do it from the clean-out in the basement. The
webpage didn't say this but the secretary thought she had heard of it.
That would mean no digging, no filling, cheaper and quicker, if it's
possible.

I finally reached a plumbing company which does this, and the company
charges 100 to 125 dollar per foot, at least for a 4" drain pipe, and
that includes everything including video before and after. If they
video it and it can't be repaired this way, they charge 300 to 350 for
the trip out and the video. (At that point I didn't have nerve enough
to ask her what the odds were that they would video it and say it
didn't need relining OR a new pipe. Because the thing is already
working now.)

She said the travel time, I think from Virginia to Baltimore County
would cost 125 for what they know takes 3 hours. I think that was part
of the 350 for the trip out and the video, if the person didn't go
farther with them after the video.

Maybe there is a company in Baltimore that does relining, but when I
googled Baltimore "Pipe relining", the only one I found and looked at
was this one in Virginia. The webpages make it look good and one
person here months ago recommended it, so I don't know why my look at
google didn't find anyone around here promoting it.


My friend didn't need a new drain pipe after the county snaked out his
drain through the cleanout in the yard.

But he's still perturbed that the plumber removed his basement toilet
to snake/rotoroot the drain since there was a cleanout obvious in the
next room, and only 4 feet from where the same plumber had reconnected
the dishwasher.

He's also very perturbed that the plumber rotoed the drain twice, the
second time with a larger blade, and still didn't unclog it. The
plumber said he used all his cable, which was 100 feet, which the
distance to the public sewer is no more than 70 or 80 feet, and still
didn't succeed.

I'm annoyed by those two things and even more because he told him to
hire another guy to dig up and replace the whole drain line, for more
than 3000 dollars.

It's only because I nagged him

You need to make friends with some alien/immigrant handy-man.

My son's next door neighbor is a Guatemalan. The neighbor dug up my son's
70' sewer drain (original pipe made of moderately thick cardboard or
somesuch) and replaced it with some super plastic pipe with half-inch thick
walls. The trench ran from 2' deep at the house to about 7' at the sanitary
sewer connection. That's a LOT of dirt.

Anyway, the project cost my son $550 total.

I used the same guy to take down a dead 40' oak tree, cut into logs, and
carried to the curb. $180.00.

Ain't an underground economy swell?


As long as the guy doesn't get hurt, and your insurance company looks at
you and laughs, sure, it is swell.

--
aem sends...

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Ain't an underground economy swell?

I guess that depends on your perspective. If you're trying to make a
living by competing against it, then you might say, no, it isn't
swell.

Your point is a good one.

aemeijers wrote:

Anyway, the project cost my son $550 total.

I used the same guy to take down a dead 40' oak tree, cut into logs,
and carried to the curb. $180.00.

Ain't an underground economy swell?


As long as the guy doesn't get hurt, and your insurance company looks
at you and laughs, sure, it is swell.

You make a good point. In the original case of $3000 vs $550 it's a gamble
my son thought was worthwhile.

In the event of some disaster, his line would have been: "I had no idea why
a stranger was digging up my backyard!"

HeyBub wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
Anyway, the project cost my son $550 total.

I used the same guy to take down a dead 40' oak tree, cut into logs,
and carried to the curb. $180.00.

Ain't an underground economy swell?


As long as the guy doesn't get hurt, and your insurance company looks
at you and laughs, sure, it is swell.

You make a good point. In the original case of $3000 vs $550 it's a gamble
my son thought was worthwhile.

In the event of some disaster, his line would have been: "I had no idea why
a stranger was digging up my backyard!"



Better yet:
"D*mn! Last week someone stole a 40' oak tree, and now they are
stealing our plumbing!"


--
PB
"I suspect you're an arrogant little ****ant who grew up in the
Red Bull generation." - CJW

HeyBub wrote:
mm wrote:
Turns out around here at leaste, probably everywhere, drain pipe
relining isn't cheaper than replacing the drain pipe. In fact I think
it's more expecnsive. However it is done in one day, and doesn't
require digging up more than about 3'x2' of the front lawn. They
advertise that you can keep your business open while they do the job.

Perhaps they can do it from the clean-out in the basement. The
webpage didn't say this but the secretary thought she had heard of it.
That would mean no digging, no filling, cheaper and quicker, if it's
possible.

I finally reached a plumbing company which does this, and the company
charges 100 to 125 dollar per foot, at least for a 4" drain pipe, and
that includes everything including video before and after. If they
video it and it can't be repaired this way, they charge 300 to 350 for
the trip out and the video. (At that point I didn't have nerve enough
to ask her what the odds were that they would video it and say it
didn't need relining OR a new pipe. Because the thing is already
working now.)

She said the travel time, I think from Virginia to Baltimore County
would cost 125 for what they know takes 3 hours. I think that was part
of the 350 for the trip out and the video, if the person didn't go
farther with them after the video.

Maybe there is a company in Baltimore that does relining, but when I
googled Baltimore "Pipe relining", the only one I found and looked at
was this one in Virginia. The webpages make it look good and one
person here months ago recommended it, so I don't know why my look at
google didn't find anyone around here promoting it.


My friend didn't need a new drain pipe after the county snaked out his
drain through the cleanout in the yard.

But he's still perturbed that the plumber removed his basement toilet
to snake/rotoroot the drain since there was a cleanout obvious in the
next room, and only 4 feet from where the same plumber had reconnected
the dishwasher.

He's also very perturbed that the plumber rotoed the drain twice, the
second time with a larger blade, and still didn't unclog it. The
plumber said he used all his cable, which was 100 feet, which the
distance to the public sewer is no more than 70 or 80 feet, and still
didn't succeed.

I'm annoyed by those two things and even more because he told him to
hire another guy to dig up and replace the whole drain line, for more
than 3000 dollars.

It's only because I nagged him

You need to make friends with some alien/immigrant handy-man.

My son's next door neighbor is a Guatemalan. The neighbor dug up my son's
70' sewer drain (original pipe made of moderately thick cardboard or
somesuch) and replaced it with some super plastic pipe with half-inch thick
walls. The trench ran from 2' deep at the house to about 7' at the sanitary
sewer connection. That's a LOT of dirt.

Anyway, the project cost my son $550 total.

I used the same guy to take down a dead 40' oak tree, cut into logs, and
carried to the curb. $180.00.

Ain't an underground economy swell?



That's why BeeHO and his cohorts want to find a way to tax it.
If they can figure out a way to ruin it, they will.

TDD

On Jul 2, 5:18�pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,

�"HeyBub" wrote:
Ain't an underground economy swell?

I guess that depends on your perspective. If you're trying to make a
living by competing against it, then you might say, no, it isn't swell.

No different than americans attempting to compete with chinese goods