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Steve Daniels wrote:
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On Jun 12, 7:42 pm, Josh wrote:
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I had a friend that did pretty much that. He was in the vending
machine business and often had large sums of cash at his business over
the weekend. A pair on the phone lines was wired into the alarm
system. This scared off would be burglars a couple of times. There was
no real worries about them getting any money as it was all in a big
walkin safe but in the past they did a lot of damage breaking in the
place.

When I worked in a supermarket years ago, we were instructed to open
all of the register cash drawers at the end of the day -- they were
empty (the tills with cash were locked in the safe), but another store
in the chain had a breakin with thousands of dollars of damage to the
registers before the would-be theives found out they were empty.

Josh



My dad ran a bar for 44 years, he always left the cash register open
and a $20 in it. Hoping that if they did break in they would just take
the money and leave without breaking anything. Sure enough one night
two guys broke in took the twenty but instead of leaving they decided
to have a party in the bar. The next morning he found them passed out
on the pool table. They were still asleep when the police woke them
up.


Oh, please. How do two guys get that wasted with only twenty
bucks?





You're joking, right? They broke into a bar, remember? They don't lock
up the bottles when they leave.

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Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to
install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone
service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a
minimum) noisy methods and tools?


When I built our AZ house, I wanted the same setup. The phone wires were in
a trench as they approached the house.
When it got next to the foundation, I ran the cable into a black 1" dia.
gas pipe" about 2 1/2 ft below grade. From there, the pipe came to the
surface, went up about 2 ft, then an elbow put it thru the garage wall. I
installed the phone "interface" inside the garage (facing "inside"). That
was Ok'd by the local Qwest phone installer.
Afterward, I put a 3" slab down against the outer wall (and around the "gas
pipe")and that became the resting place for one of my Carrier A/C units.

The end result was there was no sign of any phone line/connection outside
the house anywhere.


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On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:27:16 -0500, The Daring Dufas
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Bill J. wrote:
Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to
install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone
service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a
minimum) noisy methods and tools?

A decoy phone box.


When some cars still had exterior hood releases, I installed an under
the hood handle that looked like it opened the hood but really just
tripped the car alarm. It looked great. I once found the alarm
runnng, and I think someone fell for it and tripped my device.
Nothing else was open or damaged and if a car had bumped me
accidentally, I don't think the mercury switches would have tripped.

The hood wasn't opened but then again, this wasn't even connected to
the hood.



I had a customer, an old Black man who was
loosing batteries from under the hood of
his old land yacht. The burglars were taking
the batteries while he slept. I installed a
pin switch under the hood and a key switch
between a pair of headlights on one side of
the grill. The switch simply powered the car
horns whenever the hood was lifted. The old
fellow was awakened one night by the car horns,
crash of the hood and a loud scream. He never
lost another battery.

TDD
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:27:16 -0500, The Daring Dufas
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Bill J. wrote:
Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to
install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone
service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a
minimum) noisy methods and tools?

A decoy phone box.

TDD


And an alarm that sounds when the decoy box is opened.


Or when the wires are cut. I'm quite fond
of Edwards fire horns for causing miscreants
to suffer from brown shorts.

TDD
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You're joking, right?


Yes, he was. Very astute of you ...


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On Jun 12, 9:57*pm, Steve Daniels wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:49:07 -0700 (PDT), against all advice,
something compelled JIMMIE , to say:



* * On Jun 12, 7:42*pm, Josh wrote:
* * On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:08:38 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE


* * wrote:


* * I had a friend that did pretty much that. He was in the vending
* * machine business and often had large sums of cash at his business over
* * the weekend. A pair on the phone lines was wired into the alarm
* * system. This scared off would be burglars a couple of times. There was
* * no real worries about them getting any money as it was all in a big
* * walkin safe but in the past they did a lot of damage breaking in the
* * place.


* * When I worked in a supermarket years ago, we were instructed to open
* * all of the register cash drawers at the end of the day -- they were
* * empty (the tills with cash were locked in the safe), but another store
* * in the chain had a breakin with thousands of dollars of damage to the
* * registers before the would-be theives found out they were empty.


* * Josh


* * My dad ran a bar for 44 years, he always left the cash register open
* * and a $20 in it. Hoping that if they did break in they would just take
* * the money and leave without breaking anything. Sure enough one night
* * two guys broke in took the twenty but instead of leaving they decided
* * to have a party in the bar. The next morning he found them passed out
* * on the pool table. They were still asleep when the police woke them
* * up.




Oh, please. *How do two guys get that wasted with only twenty
bucks?


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DGDevin wrote:
Oren wrote:

In the James Caan movie (1981) "Thief", they sprayed the bell alarms
with expanding foam, let is set and went to work on the bank..


They did the same in the robbery I mentioned, as well as cutting the
phone lines in multiple locations just to make sure they got the
right line.
Another cute trick I saw in a commercial burglary involved opening a
locked door by using a chisel to cut out a chunk of door frame so the
still-locked door could swing open with the bolt still sticking out
of the lock. Those aluminum-clad wood door frames common in
commercial properties look way tougher than they are. These days
cordless power tools mean they don't have to use chisels anymore.


Yet one more use for the HARBOR FREIGHT MULTIFUNCTION POWER TOOL (maybe the
cordless version)!


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On Jun 12, 7:14*pm, LouB wrote:
George wrote:
Bill J. wrote:
On Jun 12, 11:48 am, LouB wrote:
Bill J. wrote:
Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to
install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone
service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a
minimum) noisy methods and tools?
The device you need is called a Cell Phone:-))


Lou


If you're going to make up a different question to the one I asked and
answer the made-up question instead of mine, then why bother posting
in this thread at all? Also, your answer was not helpful in any way, I
am still looking for an answer which is.


Actually the answer was quite helpful. Cell alarm connections are quite
common for locations where someone is concerned about a cable cut.


Thank You.
I was not thinking about the need to protect an alarm system, but I know
* there is NO way to cut the "wires" from a cell phone.

Lou- Hide quoted text -

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No; but apparently there are devices that can 'jam' cell phone
signals!
Not sure how they work but apparently they have been used in certain
secure buildings, to prevent cheating in areas where examinations are
taking place, to avoid interruptions during publicly broadcast
meetings etc. Maybe even in places of worship to prevent cell phones
from ringing during services.

One of the 'best' scams of a wired alarm system was when some thieves
introduced a stray cat into a warehouse that had had an alarm system
installed or upgraded.
The cat set off motion detectors. Several time during a long weekend.
After the several false-alarms, the whole alarm system was turned off;
to be 'repaired' the following week.
Whereupon the thieves who had left a trailer backed up against an
outside wall broke through and stole goods from the warehouse!

So while digressing from the OPs question there is in my opinion no
way totally that an alarm sytem could be protected or by-passed. Even
if encased in three feet of reinforced concrete!

And what is meant by 'legally'????

Also and finally to the OP, lighten up! Some of the humour (on this
freely available and no charge for advice forum) may be juvenile; but
does one want to cut off all debate/suggestions.

Have fun with it; many a good suggestion has come from a light hearted
suggestion or remark.
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On Jun 12, 11:47*pm, The Daring Dufas
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:27:16 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote:


Bill J. wrote:
Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to
install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone
service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a
minimum) noisy methods and tools?
A decoy phone box.


TDD


And an alarm that sounds when the decoy box is opened.


Or when the wires are cut. I'm quite fond
of Edwards fire horns for causing miscreants
to suffer from brown shorts.

TDD


My father in law came by an old siren, the kind use by volunteer fire
departments to call people in. He wired this into his workshop alarm
system after getting broken into and none of the neighbors paid
attention to the alarm. He also wired saws, most of his power tools to
come on. I dont know of anyone trying to break in after taht but he
showed it to me by setting the thing off while I was in the shop.
Imagine lights going out, siren, in the shop, coming on and saw,
planers and shapers all around you starting up. No guards on anything.
I would have been laughing my ass off if it had happened to someone
else except I realized how close I came to sticking my hand in a
radial arm saw after he turned the lights on.

Jimmie

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Doug Miller wrote:

You can get 12 volt versions that will keep other motorists off their
cell phones within 100-150 feet of your vehicle, too. Drive now,
talk later.

Got a link?


Don't bother. Even if they are available, they are highly illegal.

Our state prison system tried to install such devices and the feds had a
hemorrhage.


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Same with Verizon. The demarc point on a new residential install is
always outside.-


if its a overhead drop a polwe tree trimmer can take it out in under a
minute.

just harden as best you can and put up a dummy security camera with
warning signs.

you dont need to make it impossible to disrupt phone, just more
trouble than its worth

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Doug Miller wrote:

Why does the skin color of the thieves make any more difference than
the skin
color of their victim? Why does *anybody's* skin color matter?


Because it just does in many places. If it didn't matter, the government
wouldn't keep statistics on crime by skin color.



Any more silly Liberal politically correct questions?


What's "liberal" or "politically correct" about seeing human beings
as human
beings, and not as "black" or "white"?


Nothing. But not recognizing that others may NOT see things the way they
ought to be is often suicidal. Don't believe me? Walk through Watts or South
Chicago after dark.




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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:41:29 -0500, "HeyBub"
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Doug Miller wrote:

Why does the skin color of the thieves make any more difference than
the skin
color of their victim? Why does *anybody's* skin color matter?


Because it just does in many places. If it didn't matter, the government
wouldn't keep statistics on crime by skin color.


When you fill out the forthcoming Census they will ask for race. One
Dbase of government computers can sort all prisoners with one green
eye and one brown eye. Only need the 6 foot guys, just plug it in and
sort.


Any more silly Liberal politically correct questions?


What's "liberal" or "politically correct" about seeing human beings
as human
beings, and not as "black" or "white"?


Nothing. But not recognizing that others may NOT see things the way they
ought to be is often suicidal. Don't believe me? Walk through Watts or South
Chicago after dark.


I've been inside Liberty City (copycat Watts Riots but later)

I've know Tyrone for 32 years. I call him a nigga, he calls me honkey
ass cracker.

I did meet Bob (Black man) and he told the story of Black people.

Bob: "Black people are like crabs in bucket, when one tries to climb
out another will reach up and pull him back down."

Bob was talking about when one makes something for himself, another is
jealous.


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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:22:45 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
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you dont need to make it impossible to disrupt phone, just more
trouble than its worth


Lately, I've been thinking that a phone is more trouble than it's
worth!
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In article , "HeyBub" wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:

You can get 12 volt versions that will keep other motorists off their
cell phones within 100-150 feet of your vehicle, too. Drive now,
talk later.

Got a link?


Don't bother. Even if they are available, they are highly illegal.


I understand that...
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On Jun 12, 3:03 pm, Zephyr wrote:
On Jun 12, 2:12 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:





On Jun 12, 1:57 pm, Zephyr wrote:


On Jun 12, 1:23 pm, WhiteTea77581 wrote:


On Jun 12, 11:06 am, "gilb" wrote:


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On Jun 12, 11:48 am, LouB wrote:


Bill J. wrote:
Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way
to
install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's
phone
service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc.
without(at a
minimum) noisy methods and tools?


The device you need is called a Cell Phone:-))


Lou
If you're going to make up a different question to the one I
asked and
answer the made-up question instead of mine, then why bother
posting
in this thread at all? Also, your answer was not helpful in any
way, I
am still looking for an answer which is.


I also find it rather tedious when asking a specific question to
get a
"funny\cridical" answer rather than a genuine reply to my issue.
But many in
usenet seem to have little self control over the manner in which
they resond
and I don't expect anything to change soon.


You are right. Maybe they did not grow up or have some anger issues.


I usually don't respond to those posts.


Take care,
Andy


me too,


btw, I think the OP needs to stop being paranoid.- Hide quoted text -


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btw, I think the OP needs to stop being paranoid


Now I get to defend the OP.


How do you know that these phone lines aren't for the alarm system at
a business or storage facility in a neighborhood where the crime rate
is higher than one would like?


There could very well be a valid reason why a more robust
infrastructure is required, but where enough noise would raise
suspicions and therefore investigation.


You're right,
there could be good reasons why.
I was just being an ass.- Hide quoted text -

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Me too! ;-)

Well you know what they say..... There's a little asshole in all of us!
;-)

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