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Steve Daniels wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:49:07 -0700 (PDT), against all advice, something compelled JIMMIE , to say: On Jun 12, 7:42 pm, Josh wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:08:38 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE wrote: I had a friend that did pretty much that. He was in the vending machine business and often had large sums of cash at his business over the weekend. A pair on the phone lines was wired into the alarm system. This scared off would be burglars a couple of times. There was no real worries about them getting any money as it was all in a big walkin safe but in the past they did a lot of damage breaking in the place. When I worked in a supermarket years ago, we were instructed to open all of the register cash drawers at the end of the day -- they were empty (the tills with cash were locked in the safe), but another store in the chain had a breakin with thousands of dollars of damage to the registers before the would-be theives found out they were empty. Josh My dad ran a bar for 44 years, he always left the cash register open and a $20 in it. Hoping that if they did break in they would just take the money and leave without breaking anything. Sure enough one night two guys broke in took the twenty but instead of leaving they decided to have a party in the bar. The next morning he found them passed out on the pool table. They were still asleep when the police woke them up. Oh, please. How do two guys get that wasted with only twenty bucks? You're joking, right? They broke into a bar, remember? They don't lock up the bottles when they leave. -- aem sends... |
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Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a minimum) noisy methods and tools? When I built our AZ house, I wanted the same setup. The phone wires were in a trench as they approached the house. When it got next to the foundation, I ran the cable into a black 1" dia. gas pipe" about 2 1/2 ft below grade. From there, the pipe came to the surface, went up about 2 ft, then an elbow put it thru the garage wall. I installed the phone "interface" inside the garage (facing "inside"). That was Ok'd by the local Qwest phone installer. Afterward, I put a 3" slab down against the outer wall (and around the "gas pipe")and that became the resting place for one of my Carrier A/C units. The end result was there was no sign of any phone line/connection outside the house anywhere. |
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mm wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:27:16 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: Bill J. wrote: Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a minimum) noisy methods and tools? A decoy phone box. When some cars still had exterior hood releases, I installed an under the hood handle that looked like it opened the hood but really just tripped the car alarm. It looked great. I once found the alarm runnng, and I think someone fell for it and tripped my device. Nothing else was open or damaged and if a car had bumped me accidentally, I don't think the mercury switches would have tripped. The hood wasn't opened but then again, this wasn't even connected to the hood. I had a customer, an old Black man who was loosing batteries from under the hood of his old land yacht. The burglars were taking the batteries while he slept. I installed a pin switch under the hood and a key switch between a pair of headlights on one side of the grill. The switch simply powered the car horns whenever the hood was lifted. The old fellow was awakened one night by the car horns, crash of the hood and a loud scream. He never lost another battery. TDD |
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:27:16 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: Bill J. wrote: Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a minimum) noisy methods and tools? A decoy phone box. TDD And an alarm that sounds when the decoy box is opened. Or when the wires are cut. I'm quite fond of Edwards fire horns for causing miscreants to suffer from brown shorts. TDD |
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aemeijers wrote: You're joking, right? Yes, he was. Very astute of you ... |
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On Jun 12, 9:57*pm, Steve Daniels wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:49:07 -0700 (PDT), against all advice, something compelled JIMMIE , to say: * * On Jun 12, 7:42*pm, Josh wrote: * * On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:08:38 -0700 (PDT), JIMMIE * * wrote: * * I had a friend that did pretty much that. He was in the vending * * machine business and often had large sums of cash at his business over * * the weekend. A pair on the phone lines was wired into the alarm * * system. This scared off would be burglars a couple of times. There was * * no real worries about them getting any money as it was all in a big * * walkin safe but in the past they did a lot of damage breaking in the * * place. * * When I worked in a supermarket years ago, we were instructed to open * * all of the register cash drawers at the end of the day -- they were * * empty (the tills with cash were locked in the safe), but another store * * in the chain had a breakin with thousands of dollars of damage to the * * registers before the would-be theives found out they were empty. * * Josh * * My dad ran a bar for 44 years, he always left the cash register open * * and a $20 in it. Hoping that if they did break in they would just take * * the money and leave without breaking anything. Sure enough one night * * two guys broke in took the twenty but instead of leaving they decided * * to have a party in the bar. The next morning he found them passed out * * on the pool table. They were still asleep when the police woke them * * up. Oh, please. *How do two guys get that wasted with only twenty bucks? Bottom Shelf Vodka |
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DGDevin wrote:
Oren wrote: In the James Caan movie (1981) "Thief", they sprayed the bell alarms with expanding foam, let is set and went to work on the bank.. They did the same in the robbery I mentioned, as well as cutting the phone lines in multiple locations just to make sure they got the right line. Another cute trick I saw in a commercial burglary involved opening a locked door by using a chisel to cut out a chunk of door frame so the still-locked door could swing open with the bolt still sticking out of the lock. Those aluminum-clad wood door frames common in commercial properties look way tougher than they are. These days cordless power tools mean they don't have to use chisels anymore. Yet one more use for the HARBOR FREIGHT MULTIFUNCTION POWER TOOL (maybe the cordless version)! |
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On Jun 12, 7:14*pm, LouB wrote:
George wrote: Bill J. wrote: On Jun 12, 11:48 am, LouB wrote: Bill J. wrote: Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a minimum) noisy methods and tools? The device you need is called a Cell Phone:-)) Lou If you're going to make up a different question to the one I asked and answer the made-up question instead of mine, then why bother posting in this thread at all? Also, your answer was not helpful in any way, I am still looking for an answer which is. Actually the answer was quite helpful. Cell alarm connections are quite common for locations where someone is concerned about a cable cut. Thank You. I was not thinking about the need to protect an alarm system, but I know * there is NO way to cut the "wires" from a cell phone. Lou- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No; but apparently there are devices that can 'jam' cell phone signals! Not sure how they work but apparently they have been used in certain secure buildings, to prevent cheating in areas where examinations are taking place, to avoid interruptions during publicly broadcast meetings etc. Maybe even in places of worship to prevent cell phones from ringing during services. One of the 'best' scams of a wired alarm system was when some thieves introduced a stray cat into a warehouse that had had an alarm system installed or upgraded. The cat set off motion detectors. Several time during a long weekend. After the several false-alarms, the whole alarm system was turned off; to be 'repaired' the following week. Whereupon the thieves who had left a trailer backed up against an outside wall broke through and stole goods from the warehouse! So while digressing from the OPs question there is in my opinion no way totally that an alarm sytem could be protected or by-passed. Even if encased in three feet of reinforced concrete! And what is meant by 'legally'???? Also and finally to the OP, lighten up! Some of the humour (on this freely available and no charge for advice forum) may be juvenile; but does one want to cut off all debate/suggestions. Have fun with it; many a good suggestion has come from a light hearted suggestion or remark. |
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On Jun 12, 11:47*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote: Mark Lloyd wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:27:16 -0500, The Daring Dufas wrote: Bill J. wrote: Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a minimum) noisy methods and tools? A decoy phone box. TDD And an alarm that sounds when the decoy box is opened. Or when the wires are cut. I'm quite fond of Edwards fire horns for causing miscreants to suffer from brown shorts. TDD My father in law came by an old siren, the kind use by volunteer fire departments to call people in. He wired this into his workshop alarm system after getting broken into and none of the neighbors paid attention to the alarm. He also wired saws, most of his power tools to come on. I dont know of anyone trying to break in after taht but he showed it to me by setting the thing off while I was in the shop. Imagine lights going out, siren, in the shop, coming on and saw, planers and shapers all around you starting up. No guards on anything. I would have been laughing my ass off if it had happened to someone else except I realized how close I came to sticking my hand in a radial arm saw after he turned the lights on. Jimmie Jimmie |
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In article 1f63bf98-f94d-4ccd-b3ec-8ca13e35b696
@v35g2000pro.googlegroups.com, (stan) says... No; but apparently there are devices that can 'jam' cell phone signals! Not sure how they work but apparently they have been used in certain secure buildings, to prevent cheating in areas where examinations are taking place, to avoid interruptions during publicly broadcast meetings etc. Maybe even in places of worship to prevent cell phones from ringing during services. You can get 12 volt versions that will keep other motorists off their cell phones within 100-150 feet of your vehicle, too. Drive now, talk later. -- For email, replace firstnamelastinitial with my first name and last initial. |
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In article , Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article 1f63bf98-f94d-4ccd-b3ec-8ca13e35b696 , (stan) says... No; but apparently there are devices that can 'jam' cell phone signals! Not sure how they work but apparently they have been used in certain secure buildings, to prevent cheating in areas where examinations are taking place, to avoid interruptions during publicly broadcast meetings etc. Maybe even in places of worship to prevent cell phones from ringing during services. You can get 12 volt versions that will keep other motorists off their cell phones within 100-150 feet of your vehicle, too. Drive now, talk later. Got a link? |
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article dc441393-2f87-400e-8f73-1267ea78c4f7 @p6g2000pre.googlegroups.com, (Bill J.) says... Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a minimum) noisy methods and tools? There is no law that says the service box has to be exterior. Just move it inside the house. Most commercial buildings have a telephone entrance in a service closet, you can do the same. Of course, you will have to be home for any service calls, to allow them access. Then, as long as all your lines are buried, the phone will be pretty impervious. The phone company I've dealt with, AT&T formerly BellSouth will not install an interior network interface at a residence. It's a company policy that probably has to do with access. A business will almost always be open during business hours and the telephone tech can get to the RJ21X. A homeowner may not always be home to let a tech in. TDD |
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Doug Miller wrote:
You can get 12 volt versions that will keep other motorists off their cell phones within 100-150 feet of your vehicle, too. Drive now, talk later. Got a link? Don't bother. Even if they are available, they are highly illegal. Our state prison system tried to install such devices and the feds had a hemorrhage. |
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:46:57 -0700, against all advice, something
compelled Larry Caldwell , to say: In article 1f63bf98-f94d-4ccd-b3ec-8ca13e35b696 @v35g2000pro.googlegroups.com, (stan) says... No; but apparently there are devices that can 'jam' cell phone signals! Not sure how they work but apparently they have been used in certain secure buildings, to prevent cheating in areas where examinations are taking place, to avoid interruptions during publicly broadcast meetings etc. Maybe even in places of worship to prevent cell phones from ringing during services. You can get 12 volt versions that will keep other motorists off their cell phones within 100-150 feet of your vehicle, too. Drive now, talk later. At first blush, this looks like a good idea. But, upon further reflection one wonders what would happen if The Other Guy suddenly lost his phone conversation. Would he immediately start concentrating on his driving? Or would he rather take his mind completely off of managing his vehicle to stare stupidly at his suddenly non-functioning phone, completely distracted from the more important job at hand? I'm thinkin' the latter. -- Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have to ram it down their throats. - Howard Aiken |
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The Daring Dufas wrote:
Larry Caldwell wrote: In article dc441393-2f87-400e-8f73-1267ea78c4f7 @p6g2000pre.googlegroups.com, (Bill J.) says... Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a minimum) noisy methods and tools? There is no law that says the service box has to be exterior. Just move it inside the house. Most commercial buildings have a telephone entrance in a service closet, you can do the same. Of course, you will have to be home for any service calls, to allow them access. Then, as long as all your lines are buried, the phone will be pretty impervious. The phone company I've dealt with, AT&T formerly BellSouth will not install an interior network interface at a residence. It's a company policy that probably has to do with access. A business will almost always be open during business hours and the telephone tech can get to the RJ21X. A homeowner may not always be home to let a tech in. TDD Same with Verizon. The demarc point on a new residential install is always outside. |
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Same with Verizon. The demarc point on a new residential install is always outside.- if its a overhead drop a polwe tree trimmer can take it out in under a minute. just harden as best you can and put up a dummy security camera with warning signs. you dont need to make it impossible to disrupt phone, just more trouble than its worth |
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Doug Miller wrote:
Why does the skin color of the thieves make any more difference than the skin color of their victim? Why does *anybody's* skin color matter? Because it just does in many places. If it didn't matter, the government wouldn't keep statistics on crime by skin color. Any more silly Liberal politically correct questions? What's "liberal" or "politically correct" about seeing human beings as human beings, and not as "black" or "white"? Nothing. But not recognizing that others may NOT see things the way they ought to be is often suicidal. Don't believe me? Walk through Watts or South Chicago after dark. |
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:41:29 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote: Doug Miller wrote: Why does the skin color of the thieves make any more difference than the skin color of their victim? Why does *anybody's* skin color matter? Because it just does in many places. If it didn't matter, the government wouldn't keep statistics on crime by skin color. When you fill out the forthcoming Census they will ask for race. One Dbase of government computers can sort all prisoners with one green eye and one brown eye. Only need the 6 foot guys, just plug it in and sort. Any more silly Liberal politically correct questions? What's "liberal" or "politically correct" about seeing human beings as human beings, and not as "black" or "white"? Nothing. But not recognizing that others may NOT see things the way they ought to be is often suicidal. Don't believe me? Walk through Watts or South Chicago after dark. I've been inside Liberty City (copycat Watts Riots but later) I've know Tyrone for 32 years. I call him a nigga, he calls me honkey ass cracker. I did meet Bob (Black man) and he told the story of Black people. Bob: "Black people are like crabs in bucket, when one tries to climb out another will reach up and pull him back down." Bob was talking about when one makes something for himself, another is jealous. |
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Larry Caldwell wrote:
In article 1f63bf98-f94d-4ccd-b3ec-8ca13e35b696 @v35g2000pro.googlegroups.com, (stan) says... No; but apparently there are devices that can 'jam' cell phone signals! Not sure how they work but apparently they have been used in certain secure buildings, to prevent cheating in areas where examinations are taking place, to avoid interruptions during publicly broadcast meetings etc. Maybe even in places of worship to prevent cell phones from ringing during services. You can get 12 volt versions that will keep other motorists off their cell phones within 100-150 feet of your vehicle, too. Drive now, talk later. You do know actively jamming cell phones is illegal, right? And could subject you to Large Fines if the FCC tracks you down? In this country, only people that can jam sort-of-legally are law enforcement. Places that block cell phones do it with PASSIVE jamming- essentially turning their buildings into giant Faraday cages using metal mesh on the walls, under the wallpaper or whatever. -- aem sends... |
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:22:45 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote: you dont need to make it impossible to disrupt phone, just more trouble than its worth Lately, I've been thinking that a phone is more trouble than it's worth! |
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In article , "HeyBub" wrote:
Doug Miller wrote: You can get 12 volt versions that will keep other motorists off their cell phones within 100-150 feet of your vehicle, too. Drive now, talk later. Got a link? Don't bother. Even if they are available, they are highly illegal. I understand that... |
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"DerbyDad03" wrote in message ... On Jun 12, 3:03 pm, Zephyr wrote: On Jun 12, 2:12 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Jun 12, 1:57 pm, Zephyr wrote: On Jun 12, 1:23 pm, WhiteTea77581 wrote: On Jun 12, 11:06 am, "gilb" wrote: "Bill J." wrote in message ... On Jun 12, 11:48 am, LouB wrote: Bill J. wrote: Is there an acceptable (legally and to the phone company) way to install phone wires and exterior service box such that one's phone service cannot be easily disconnected by burglars, etc. without(at a minimum) noisy methods and tools? The device you need is called a Cell Phone:-)) Lou If you're going to make up a different question to the one I asked and answer the made-up question instead of mine, then why bother posting in this thread at all? Also, your answer was not helpful in any way, I am still looking for an answer which is. I also find it rather tedious when asking a specific question to get a "funny\cridical" answer rather than a genuine reply to my issue. But many in usenet seem to have little self control over the manner in which they resond and I don't expect anything to change soon. You are right. Maybe they did not grow up or have some anger issues. I usually don't respond to those posts. Take care, Andy me too, btw, I think the OP needs to stop being paranoid.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - btw, I think the OP needs to stop being paranoid Now I get to defend the OP. How do you know that these phone lines aren't for the alarm system at a business or storage facility in a neighborhood where the crime rate is higher than one would like? There could very well be a valid reason why a more robust infrastructure is required, but where enough noise would raise suspicions and therefore investigation. You're right, there could be good reasons why. I was just being an ass.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Me too! ;-) Well you know what they say..... There's a little asshole in all of us! ;-) |
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