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On Jun 10, 9:12*pm, Jim Yanik wrote: Well Jim even the MOST patriotic American would have to agree the last 8 years were the most disastrous for the USA in history! It is way too soon to decide that. There is a lot of competition for that title and we'll need to get some historical perspective (like maybe 20 years) to decide. Consider ca 1812 and near total shutdown of trade, ca 1865 with 660,000 dead, and ca 1935 with an economic crisis that dwarfs the current one. Two unresolved and unnecessary wars, no WMDs, erosion of civil rights all over the place, torture, wire-tapping, illegal detention etc. Look at standard local police practice until the 1960's or so for violations of civil rights, torture, and illegal detention. By the way got your compulsory passport to leave the country and return???? There was time when Americans didn't need that; but as a result of a 'Fortress America' mentality; the rise of protectionism and isolationism that imposes restrictions on other nations, means that US citizens now have to carry passports and obtain visas; like everybody else! An unnecessary PITA, but only that. By the way, if you're a citizen, you don't need a visa to return. Any visa requirements are imposed by other countries. Culmination being a major economic down turn; a credit crisis due to poor financial controls of the US banking lending and insurance system, and finally the US auto industry fiasco. (Always said that if GM had made Toyotas under licence there never would have been a gas price crisis or auto-sales down turn.) They did. In Fremont, CA in the 80's. So; with old US system in crisis, other countries, many with much more social kindly government-run Employment and Health systems recovering quite nicely and more quickly, there are apparently STILL people who can't see follies of the government policies of the recent past. Running a country with honesty and good legal controls/laws isn't Communism! You really think other countries are recovering more quickly than the US? Try again. From: http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/pdf/mwo052309.pdf "In the first quarter, the German economy fell by 14%, Japan by 15%, Mexico by 21%, and England was down almost 8%" The US economy was down by 5.9%. -- Doug |
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The Daring Dufas wrote: I've tried to explain that concept to anti-abortion conservatives. The good conservative woman is not going to get an abortion and probably not get pregnant out of wedlock anyway. The Liberal fornicator is going to seek an abortion because she doesn't want to deal with the consequences of her behavior. Do you have any data supporting the idea that liberals have more abortions than conservatives or are we just spouting speculation? -- Doug Sarah Palin. |
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The Daring Dufas wrote: HeyBub wrote: The Daring Dufas wrote: That village in Kenya is still one idiot short Watch it, Kenyans are great folks, we have a lot of them around here and you couldn't have a better neighbor. The difference is they're all here because they're not all there. I'm going to the clinic today and the therapist who will be changing the pressure bandage on my leg is a wonderful gal from Kenya. All of the *REAL* Africans I've met were wonderful people. When I tell someone that there are a lot of Africans in Birmingham, I get funny looks. Yep. Here's a test you can pull on them: "What is your best guess of the percentage of the London population being African-American?" (Make your guess, then scroll down) Virtually zero. Blacks in London would properly be called "African-Anglos." My internist is of Vietnamese heritage. A couple of years ago, I asked him if he was Catholic - many Vietnamese are Catholic and, had he answered in the affirmative, I was going to congratulate him on the elevation of a new Pontiff. He said: "To tell the truth, it depends on the girl I'm dating at the time." The man had been Americanized. Me and my friend from Kenya were about to bust a gut laughing when a politically correct young woman called my dark skinned friend an African-American African. I generally refer to myself as a Honkey-American much to the consternation of the PC infected around me. I can't help myself, I have to tweak the noses of those politically correct Liberal wackos. TDD |
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The Daring Dufas wrote: I've tried to explain that concept to anti-abortion conservatives. The good conservative woman is not going to get an abortion and probably not get pregnant out of wedlock anyway. The Liberal fornicator is going to seek an abortion because she doesn't want to deal with the consequences of her behavior. Do you have any data supporting the idea that liberals have more abortions than conservatives or are we just spouting speculation? -- Doug It's a speculation based on what Conservative Religious Republicans consider to be proper behavior and my observations of various groups over the years. It's simply a way to get Conservatives to look at the subject from a different angle. TDD |
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The Daring Dufas wrote: HeyBub wrote: The Daring Dufas wrote: What was the position of the Florida Secretary of State? You know, the one responsible for elections? A republican? Yes. The Republican Secretary of State (Kathleen Harris), however, had zero control over the election process. She had no authority or responsibility regarding the counting of votes. Her job, vis-a-vis the election, was to maintain state-wide voter registration lists and to accept the certified results of the election from the county canvassing boards. DO NOT EVER ATTEMPT TO CONFRONT A LIBERAL WITH FACTS. It confuses them and causes a marked increase in their blood pressure and a lot of screaming, cursing and name calling. Be a compassionate Conservative and show some concern for their health. I AM concerned for their health. I think Adrenaline is good for them! And for me. Laughter is good for the digestion and watching someone itch to death is hilarious. Make some popcorn and watch what happens over the following statement. In 1978 thru 1981 it was estimated that there were 40,000 abortions performed in the state of Florida. Those 40,000 non-births would have been voting in their first election in 2000 had they not been aborted. Since children generally follow the political inclinations of their parents, and a woman who would have an abortion is more likely to be of a liberal persuasion than otherwise, Al Gore did not receive up to 40,000 or so votes he would have otherwise gotten had abortion been unlawful. Gore lost by 585 votes. For those who are interested, this is called "The Roe Effect." I've tried to explain that concept to anti-abortion conservatives. The good conservative woman is not going to get an abortion and probably not get pregnant out of wedlock anyway. The Liberal fornicator is going to seek an abortion because she doesn't want to deal with the consequences of her behavior. Republicans should not oppose abortions for Democrats. It's simple, out-breed them and soon be the majority party. Republicans, being ...conservative and responsible sorts, would have a hard time (no pun intended) out-breeding your average Democrat. Even conceding the losses to abortion, I bet they could outstrip us. Wait, let me rephrase that. Basically, Democrats get abortions, Republicans get vasectomies. So count me out ;) It's interesting that the more intelligent or conservative folks don't have as many children because they consider it very important to be able to afford to provide for and properly raise a child. Whenever Liberals trot out some poor sap who works for minimum wage and is the father of 6 children, I always wonder why the dumb ass is having children. TDD |
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On Jun 12, 11:04*am, Douglas Johnson wrote:
stan wrote: On Jun 10, 9:12*pm, Jim Yanik wrote: Well Jim even the MOST patriotic American would have to agree the last 8 years were the most disastrous for the USA in history! It is way too soon to decide that. *There is a lot of competition for that title and we'll need to get some historical perspective (like maybe 20 years) to decide. *Consider ca 1812 and near total shutdown of trade, ca 1865 with 660,000 dead, and ca 1935 with an economic crisis that dwarfs the current one. How can you say there is no need to wait? The examples you gave above clearly decide the issue. Only a kook with BDS would think that the last 8 years are even remotely close to the years encompassing the civil war or many other dark periods in US history. It's not even close to being debatable. Two unresolved and unnecessary wars, no WMDs, erosion of civil rights all over the place, torture, wire-tapping, illegal detention etc. Look at standard local police practice until the 1960's or so for violations of civil rights, torture, and illegal detention. By the way got your compulsory passport to leave the country and return???? There was time when Americans didn't need that; but as a result of a 'Fortress America' mentality; the rise of protectionism and isolationism that imposes restrictions on other nations, means that US citizens now have to carry passports and obtain visas; like everybody else! An unnecessary PITA, but only that. *By the way, if you're a citizen, you don't need a visa to return. *Any visa requirements are imposed by other countries. You always needed a passport to travel to most countries. So the additional requirement, covering places like Canada, Mexico, etc is just a minor extension of what was already in place. And again, I don't see why anyone should have a problem with it in today's world. The interesting thing is how these kooks bitch about reasonable requirements that the US has in place for very valid security reasons, but never say a peep about countries like North Korea, Cuba, etc, where they won't let anyone leave period. Culmination being a major economic down turn; a credit crisis due to poor financial controls of the US banking lending and insurance system, and finally the US auto industry fiasco. (Always said that if GM had made Toyotas under licence there never would have been a gas price crisis or auto-sales down turn.) They did. *In Fremont, CA in the 80's. So; with old US system in crisis, other countries, many with much more social kindly government-run Employment and Health systems recovering quite nicely and more quickly, there are apparently STILL people who can't see follies of the government policies of the recent past. Running a country with honesty and good legal controls/laws isn't Communism! You really think other countries are recovering more quickly than the US? *Try again. From:http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/pdf/mwo052309.pdf "In the first quarter, the German economy fell by 14%, Japan by 15%, Mexico by 21%, and England was down almost 8%" *The US economy was down by 5.9%. -- Doug Yes and also factor in that their unemployment levels have been 2X ours for decades, with slower growth, due to their socialist policies. |
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: stan wrote: On Jun 10, 9:12*pm, Jim Yanik wrote: Well Jim even the MOST patriotic American would have to agree the last 8 years were the most disastrous for the USA in history! They would be wrong. If anything,Pearl Harbor was more disastrous for the US.Then there's Jimmy Carter's rampant inflation,Iranian hostage seizure and 444 day captivity. But Obummer is exceeding JC in his first 180 days. It is way too soon to decide that. There is a lot of competition for that title and we'll need to get some historical perspective (like maybe 20 years) to decide. Consider ca 1812 and near total shutdown of trade, ca 1865 with 660,000 dead, and ca 1935 with an economic crisis that dwarfs the current one. Two unresolved and unnecessary wars, WHO says those wars were unnecessary? Only the leftists,the supporters of fascism and communism. no WMDs, erosion of civil rights all over the place, torture, wire-tapping, illegal detention etc. BJClinton was doing far more wiretapping and "erosion of civil rights",and much more on actual US citizens. He also believed Saddam had WMD.(along with the rest of the Western world) AND,I note that Obummer is CONTINUING the practices Bush established. BTW,enemy combatants do not get Geneva protections,nor ordinary civil criminal treatment.For GOOD reason. Even POWs are HELD until the war is over,without charges or trials. Ununiformed enemy combatants CAN be executed at any time. We did it in WW2,1000's of German soldiers in US uniforms;lined up and shot. Look at standard local police practice until the 1960's or so for violations of civil rights, torture, and illegal detention. By the way got your compulsory passport to leave the country and return???? There was time when Americans didn't need that; but as a result of a 'Fortress America' mentality; the rise of protectionism and isolationism that imposes restrictions on other nations, means that US citizens now have to carry passports and obtain visas; like everybody else! The leftists support open borders so the Mexicans can sneak in,and along with them,in come Muslim terrorists. An unnecessary PITA, but only that. By the way, if you're a citizen, you don't need a visa to return. Any visa requirements are imposed by other countries. Culmination being a major economic down turn; a credit crisis due to poor financial controls of the US banking lending and insurance system, by the DemocRATs. they blocked legislation to replace controls on the loan industries.Don't forget the Dems were in charge of Congress for the last 2 years of Bush's term. and finally the US auto industry fiasco. (Always said that if GM had made Toyotas under licence there never would have been a gas price crisis or auto-sales down turn.) They did. In Fremont, CA in the 80's. Yes,NUMMI motors.Ford also used Mazda drivetrains in their Probe. HOWEVER,the gas crisis was in 1973. I went through it. And what did JC and the DemocRATs do? they restricted DOMESTIC oil production,resulting in MORE dependence on foreign oil. The DemocRATs are doing the SAME thing today. Blocking new drilling and refineries. So; with old US system in crisis, other countries, many with much more social kindly government-run Employment and Health systems recovering quite nicely and more quickly, there are apparently STILL people who can't see follies of the government policies of the recent past. Running a country with honesty and good legal controls/laws isn't Communism! You really think other countries are recovering more quickly than the US? Try again. From: http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/pdf/mwo052309.pdf "In the first quarter, the German economy fell by 14%, Japan by 15%, Mexico by 21%, and England was down almost 8%" The US economy was down by 5.9%. -- Doug These leftists like to ignore parts of history they don't like. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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: The Daring Dufas wrote: I've tried to explain that concept to anti-abortion conservatives. The good conservative woman is not going to get an abortion and probably not get pregnant out of wedlock anyway. The Liberal fornicator is going to seek an abortion because she doesn't want to deal with the consequences of her behavior. Do you have any data supporting the idea that liberals have more abortions than conservatives or are we just spouting speculation? -- Doug I don't care; IMO,abortion is between a woman and her doctor. It's certainly none of MY business. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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stan wrote: On Jun 10, 9:12*pm, Jim Yanik wrote: Well Jim even the MOST patriotic American would have to agree the last 8 years were the most disastrous for the USA in history! It is way too soon to decide that. There is a lot of competition for that title and we'll need to get some historical perspective (like maybe 20 years) to decide. Consider ca 1812 and near total shutdown of trade, ca 1865 with 660,000 dead, and ca 1935 with an economic crisis that dwarfs the current one. I'll raise you 3 depressions- and state that the 1962-78 era gets an honorable mention for unrest and pecuniary difficulties. -snip- You really think other countries are recovering more quickly than the US? Try again. From: http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/pdf/mwo052309.pdf "In the first quarter, the German economy fell by 14%, Japan by 15%, Mexico by 21%, and England was down almost 8%" The US economy was down by 5.9%. No comment- just thought it could bear repeating. I like a guy who deals in facts. Jim |
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: David Nebenzahl wrote: So please, tell us just exactly what we got for our $190 B. o Greater national security? (no) o "Terrorism" suppressed/obliterated (no) o People of the world love us more? (no) o Afghans love us more? (no) o Secure energy supplies? * (no) o Giant steps toward world peace? (no) We successfully revived the opium trade, which the Taliban had shut down cold. From a March 2001 New York Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/wo...poppy-a-succes s-us-aides-say.html "The first American narcotics experts to go to Afghanistan under Taliban rule have concluded that the movement's ban on opium-poppy cultivation appears to have wiped out the world's largest crop in less than a year, officials said" today. -- Doug We also are helping HAMAS continue it's terrorism against Israel,with our $900 million in aid to Hamas.(and helping IRAN in the process,too.) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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On Jun 11, 7:20*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 6/11/2009 11:32 AM spake thus: On Jun 11, 12:19 pm, RicodJour wrote: http://costofwar.com/I don't see that that money was wisely invested in our future, do you? I say the money spent on the war in Afghanistan was absolutely the correct thing to do. *That's $190Bil. Whoa. Stop right there. So please, tell us just exactly what we got for our $190 B. We put all the Al-Qaeda training camps that were in Afghanistan and through which 50K terrorists passed out of commission. We took the Taliban out of power and showed the world that if you sponsor terrorism, you run the risk of having the US take out your little empire, blow up your house, and kill your family. Col Khadafi apparently got the message. Now, suffering from BDS, you're probably gonna bitch that because it isn't over yet, it's a total failure. And without regard to the outcome, clearly it was the right thing to do. We were attacked on 9-11 by Al-Qaeda, which was centered in Afghanistan. They refused to hand him over or do anything about the terroist camps. What exactly would you have done? Have tea with them? o Greater national security? *(no) Yes, there have been no more attacks by Al-Qaeda here in the USA. Col Khadafi saw the light, turned over his WMD and nuclear programs, and stopped sponsoring terrorism. His uranium is now powering US civilian plants. o "Terrorism" suppressed/obliterated *(no) Yes, there have been no more attacks by Al-Qaeda here in the USA o People of the world love us more? *(no) I really don't care what the "people of the world" think. I'm sure next time a country like France needs us to come save them again, then they will like us, at least for a little while. o Afghans love us more? *(no) I'd like to see polling data on that. Even if they don't love us, at least women are now able to go to school instead of being forbidden by the Taliban. o Secure energy supplies? * *(no) Afghanistan has no oil of significance. o Giant steps toward world peace? *(no) Afghanistan was never intended to be a giant step to world peace. Has there ever been world peace? What planet are you on? I say that due to our stupid, adventuristic, totally avoidable, needless and senseless recent wars (both Iraq and Afghanistan, now morphing into "Af-Pak"), Al Quaeda has won twice. Spoken like a true BDS case. Al_Qaeda got their ass kicked and is just about totally defeated in Iraq, Yeah, there may be some still there, but their numbers have dwindled and their influence is gone. You sound like Harry Reid "The war in Iraq is lost" In fact, it looks today like Iraq has a good shot at becoming a free country. Would you prefer it to still be under Saddam, so his sons could take women off the streets, rape and kill them. Or where he could invade Kuwait again, killing tens of thousands, when he felt like it? Or start another war with Iran, where millions died? Al-Qaeda is no longer running training camps in Afghanistan. Before they were openly doing what they please. Today they are hiding in caves in Pakistan, worried that the next predator drone may take them out. Are they still a serious threat? Sure. But maybe it's time to consider what would have happened if we had not invaded Afghanistan. You'd have women forbidden to attend school, people being beheaded because of some minor crime or religious infraction and Al-Qaeda would have trained another 100K terrorists in their camps. First time when they attacked us on 9/11. Second time when those wars bled the U.S. dry economically. Oh please. We spent less money on both those wars over 8 years than on the bailout money passed recently. And Obama proposes to run deficits of $1 Tril a year for the next decade. So, if you want to bitch about bleeding the US economically, try looking there. Nice going there. (And just to toss you a little bone, I agree that Obama is absolutely no better than Bush when it comes to foreign policy. Smarter, more articulate, yes, but still a knee-jerk defender of the American Empire.) Don't say that you agree, because that is not my position, so you aren't agreeing with me. In fact, I wish he were a knee-jerk defender of the USA, because that's what a US president is supposed to be. He's elected president of the USA, not the world. I guess you missed Obama's appology tour. * When folks talk about the fossil fuel in the Middle East as if it belongs to us by sacred fiat, it always reminds me of one of my favorite antiwar protest signs: * * HOW DID OUR OIL GET UNDER THEIR SAND??? And who here has done that? Where did that come from? |
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The Daring Dufas wrote:
RB wrote: The Daring Dufas wrote: HeyBub wrote: The Daring Dufas wrote: What was the position of the Florida Secretary of State? You know, the one responsible for elections? A republican? Yes. The Republican Secretary of State (Kathleen Harris), however, had zero control over the election process. She had no authority or responsibility regarding the counting of votes. Her job, vis-a-vis the election, was to maintain state-wide voter registration lists and to accept the certified results of the election from the county canvassing boards. DO NOT EVER ATTEMPT TO CONFRONT A LIBERAL WITH FACTS. It confuses them and causes a marked increase in their blood pressure and a lot of screaming, cursing and name calling. Be a compassionate Conservative and show some concern for their health. I AM concerned for their health. I think Adrenaline is good for them! And for me. Laughter is good for the digestion and watching someone itch to death is hilarious. Make some popcorn and watch what happens over the following statement. In 1978 thru 1981 it was estimated that there were 40,000 abortions performed in the state of Florida. Those 40,000 non-births would have been voting in their first election in 2000 had they not been aborted. Since children generally follow the political inclinations of their parents, and a woman who would have an abortion is more likely to be of a liberal persuasion than otherwise, Al Gore did not receive up to 40,000 or so votes he would have otherwise gotten had abortion been unlawful. Gore lost by 585 votes. For those who are interested, this is called "The Roe Effect." I've tried to explain that concept to anti-abortion conservatives. The good conservative woman is not going to get an abortion and probably not get pregnant out of wedlock anyway. The Liberal fornicator is going to seek an abortion because she doesn't want to deal with the consequences of her behavior. Republicans should not oppose abortions for Democrats. It's simple, out-breed them and soon be the majority party. Republicans, being ...conservative and responsible sorts, would have a hard time (no pun intended) out-breeding your average Democrat. Even conceding the losses to abortion, I bet they could outstrip us. Wait, let me rephrase that. Basically, Democrats get abortions, Republicans get vasectomies. So count me out ;) It's interesting that the more intelligent or conservative folks don't have as many children because they consider it very important to be able to afford to provide for and properly raise a child. Whenever Liberals trot out some poor sap who works for minimum wage and is the father of 6 children, I always wonder why the dumb ass is having children. Those aren't children, those are voters |
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Douglas Johnson wrote: Do you have any data supporting the idea that liberals have more abortions than conservatives or are we just spouting speculation? -- Doug Sarah Palin. Grin. I'm no fan of her, but I thought she handled her daughter's pregnancy (at least in public) with class and character. -- Doug |
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It's a speculation based on what Conservative Religious Republicans consider to be proper behavior and my observations of various groups over the years. It's simply a way to get Conservatives to look at the subject from a different angle. Sorry. I can read that from what you wrote. It is an interesting spin. Another spin is from Freakonomics which put together a case that Roe v. Wade was a major cause the drop in crime in the 90's. Short version of the argument is that Roe v. Wade allowed a large number of criminals-to-be to never be born. -- Doug |
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"HeyBub" wrote: Douglas Johnson wrote: Do you have any data supporting the idea that liberals have more abortions than conservatives or are we just spouting speculation? -- Doug Sarah Palin. Grin. I'm no fan of her, but I thought she handled her daughter's pregnancy (at least in public) with class and character. -- Doug Hauling her children around to campaign events is "class and character"? Sorry, but it is blind ambition, on the trashy side. Her grandchild might have had two parents with it under one roof, but for granny's insane ambition. Her daughter didn't need the additional pressure of publicity in dealing with her situation - and her parent's had had the same experience, sans publicity. Family values? Bull! Palin could, and should, have waited for a time her family situation was not so delicate. I gag every time the party of "family values" throws another family to the wolves to get votes. Anyone remember McCain's joke about Chelsea Clinton being ugly? What a hero! |
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On 6/12/2009 9:25 AM spake thus:
On Jun 11, 7:20 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote: On 6/11/2009 11:32 AM spake thus: On Jun 11, 12:19 pm, RicodJour wrote: http://costofwar.com/I don't see that that money was wisely invested in our future, do you? I say the money spent on the war in Afghanistan was absolutely the correct thing to do. That's $190Bil. Whoa. Stop right there. So please, tell us just exactly what we got for our $190 B. We put all the Al-Qaeda training camps that were in Afghanistan and through which 50K terrorists passed out of commission. We took the Taliban out of power and showed the world that if you sponsor terrorism, you run the risk of having the US take out your little empire, blow up your house, and kill your family. We "took the Taliban out of power"? Really? *Really*? Sheesh. I'm through discussing this with you, given how little you seem to know about the actual situation over there, and given what deep denial you're in that things are going very badly for "the allies" (aka "the good guys") in Afghanistan. -- Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism |
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On 6/12/2009 9:00 AM Jim Yanik spake thus:
Douglas Johnson wrote in : The Daring Dufas wrote: I've tried to explain that concept to anti-abortion conservatives. The good conservative woman is not going to get an abortion and probably not get pregnant out of wedlock anyway. The Liberal fornicator is going to seek an abortion because she doesn't want to deal with the consequences of her behavior. Do you have any data supporting the idea that liberals have more abortions than conservatives or are we just spouting speculation? -- I don't care; IMO,abortion is between a woman and her doctor. It's certainly none of MY business. As a defender of abortion rights who disagrees with you 99.9% of the time, let me give credit where credit is due and thank you for that. I'm no fan of Bill Clinton. However, I take what he said about abortion as my guide: he said that abortion should be legal, safe and rarely used. -- Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 6/12/2009 9:25 AM spake thus: On Jun 11, 7:20 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote: On 6/11/2009 11:32 AM spake thus: On Jun 11, 12:19 pm, RicodJour wrote: http://costofwar.com/I don't see that that money was wisely invested in our future, do you? I say the money spent on the war in Afghanistan was absolutely the correct thing to do. That's $190Bil. Whoa. Stop right there. So please, tell us just exactly what we got for our $190 B. We put all the Al-Qaeda training camps that were in Afghanistan and through which 50K terrorists passed out of commission. We took the Taliban out of power and showed the world that if you sponsor terrorism, you run the risk of having the US take out your little empire, blow up your house, and kill your family. We "took the Taliban out of power"? Really? *Really*? Really. They used to run Afghanistan. They were the government. Today they aren't. They are a quasi-guerilla outfit without a sponsor country. That pretty well defines "out of power". Do they have newspapers in your school? |
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When are Americans going to realize that Islamic Fundamentalists don't think the same way that Americans perceive as normal. Good grief, I would love to see a Liberal Democrat approach a Jihadist and offer him a hug. One more head cut off an Infidel. Exactly. Everybody wants to go to heaven. The Christian can gain entry simply by believing within their own heart. The Muslim must "earn" entry. Entry can be earned by expanding Islam ("Islam" means "submission), that is, by reducing the number of folks not under submission. |
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The Daring Dufas wrote:
Me and my friend from Kenya were about to bust a gut laughing when a politically correct young woman called my dark skinned friend an African-American African. I generally refer to myself as a Honkey-American much to the consternation of the PC infected around me. I can't help myself, I have to tweak the noses of those politically correct Liberal wackos. I read about a (white) teen-ager recently who got in big trouble at school for referring to himself as African-American. He was born in South Africa to 5th generation Dutch settlers. |
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On 6/12/2009 11:10 AM RB spake thus:
David Nebenzahl wrote: On 6/12/2009 9:25 AM spake thus: On Jun 11, 7:20 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote: On 6/11/2009 11:32 AM spake thus: On Jun 11, 12:19 pm, RicodJour wrote: http://costofwar.com/I don't see that that money was wisely invested in our future, do you? I say the money spent on the war in Afghanistan was absolutely the correct thing to do. That's $190Bil. Whoa. Stop right there. So please, tell us just exactly what we got for our $190 B. We put all the Al-Qaeda training camps that were in Afghanistan and through which 50K terrorists passed out of commission. We took the Taliban out of power and showed the world that if you sponsor terrorism, you run the risk of having the US take out your little empire, blow up your house, and kill your family. We "took the Taliban out of power"? Really? *Really*? Really. They used to run Afghanistan. They were the government. Today they aren't. They are a quasi-guerilla outfit without a sponsor country. That pretty well defines "out of power". Do they have newspapers in your school? Do you really think Hamid Karzai's government "runs" Afghanistan? Really? Do you think he even dares venture outside Kabul without a massive armed escort? Do you think his "power" extends even to Kabul's city limits? Do you know the difference between Kandahar and Kabul? Those with a grain of intelligence who are interested in learning more can read Ahmed Rashid's _Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia_ as a good starting point. -- Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism |
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Jim Elbrecht wrote:
I'll raise you 3 depressions- and state that the 1962-78 era gets an honorable mention for unrest and pecuniary difficulties. -snip- You really think other countries are recovering more quickly than the US? Try again. From: http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/pdf/mwo052309.pdf "In the first quarter, the German economy fell by 14%, Japan by 15%, Mexico by 21%, and England was down almost 8%" The US economy was down by 5.9%. No comment- just thought it could bear repeating. I like a guy who deals in facts. Fact: Bill Clinton waged war on FAR more countries than Bush. More than any president since FDR. They we Haiti, Bosnia, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, and Albania. |
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Douglas Johnson wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote: Douglas Johnson wrote: Do you have any data supporting the idea that liberals have more abortions than conservatives or are we just spouting speculation? -- Doug Sarah Palin. Grin. I'm no fan of her, but I thought she handled her daughter's pregnancy (at least in public) with class and character. -- Doug Actually, I was thinking of HER most recent pregnancy. |
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The Daring Dufas wrote:
It's interesting that the more intelligent or conservative folks don't have as many children because they consider it very important to be able to afford to provide for and properly raise a child. Whenever Liberals trot out some poor sap who works for minimum wage and is the father of 6 children, I always wonder why the dumb ass is having children. CAC (Can't Afford Cable :) -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
Bush joke (parting shot)
On 6/12/2009 12:12 PM HeyBub spake thus:
Jim Elbrecht wrote: I'll raise you 3 depressions- and state that the 1962-78 era gets an honorable mention for unrest and pecuniary difficulties. -snip- You really think other countries are recovering more quickly than the US? Try again. From: http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/pdf/mwo052309.pdf "In the first quarter, the German economy fell by 14%, Japan by 15%, Mexico by 21%, and England was down almost 8%" The US economy was down by 5.9%. No comment- just thought it could bear repeating. I like a guy who deals in facts. Fact: Bill Clinton waged war on FAR more countries than Bush. More than any president since FDR. They we Haiti, Bosnia, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan, and Albania. I don't know if that's actually true off the top of my head--but it sounds reasonable, and I'll accept it, provisionally. It's an important point. This shows that Republicans by no means have a monopoly on warmongering as heads of state. It also illustrates just how narrow the range of acceptable political narrative is in the U.S., despite the popular mythology of vast differences between "liberals" and "conservatives". Let's not forget that Bill Clinton completed parts of R. Reagan's wet dream of less gubmint, et al. After all, it was Clinton who gave us: o The end of "welfare as we know it" o The repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, which led in part to the current economic crisis o The removal of the Delaney Clause, which regulated allowable pesticide levels in food (something Monsanto and other chemical producers had been lusting after for years) o Telecommunications "reforms" that turned over control of major telecomm networks largely to commercial interests There's more, if anyone's willing to dig a little. Just as it was a Democrat, Steve Peace, who unleashed the monster of energy deregulation in California which led to the rise of Enron (with the blessing of Democratic governor Gray Davis--good riddance!). -- Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism |
Bush joke (parting shot)
On 6/12/2009 12:04 PM HeyBub spake thus:
The Daring Dufas wrote: When are Americans going to realize that Islamic Fundamentalists don't think the same way that Americans perceive as normal. Good grief, I would love to see a Liberal Democrat approach a Jihadist and offer him a hug. One more head cut off an Infidel. Exactly. Everybody wants to go to heaven. The Christian can gain entry simply by believing within their own heart. The Muslim must "earn" entry. Entry can be earned by expanding Islam ("Islam" means "submission), that is, by reducing the number of folks not under submission. I challenge you to find where it explicitly says that in the Koran--or even implies it. [written by one who believes that *all* religions are basically "gutter" religions. None have a monopoly on superstition, pandering to power, or inciting mobs to murderous action] -- Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism |
Bush joke (parting shot)
"HeyBub" wrote:
I read about a (white) teen-ager recently who got in big trouble at school for referring to himself as African-American. He was born in South Africa to 5th generation Dutch settlers. Gee. Wouldn't that make him Dutch-African-American? Since the Spanish ruled Holland in the 1600's, he might be Spanish-Dutch-African-American. Or maybe, because the Spanish came from Africa, he's African-Spanish-Dutch-African-American? I'm perfectly comfortable with someone being something-American for the first or second generations. After that, we're American. -- Doug |
Bush joke (parting shot)
"HeyBub" wrote:
I read about a (white) teen-ager recently who got in big trouble at school for referring to himself as African-American. He was born in South Africa to 5th generation Dutch settlers. I hate to do a second follow up to the same message, but I can't resist. (OK, I didn't try too hard). I did a Google search for this story and found: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=22929 Take care going there. One of their "Today's News Highlights" is about the shooter at the Holocaust Museum and starts "James von Brunn, the man who allegedly shot and killed a guard at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., was a Darwin-lover who hated the Bible and Christians, and defies media efforts to classify him as a stereotypical "right-winger," according to reports." The term "Darwin-lover" is new to me. -- Doug |
Bush joke (parting shot)
Douglas Johnson wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote: I read about a (white) teen-ager recently who got in big trouble at school for referring to himself as African-American. He was born in South Africa to 5th generation Dutch settlers. I hate to do a second follow up to the same message, but I can't resist. (OK, I didn't try too hard). I did a Google search for this story and found: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=22929 Take care going there. One of their "Today's News Highlights" is about the shooter at the Holocaust Museum and starts "James von Brunn, the man who allegedly shot and killed a guard at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., was a Darwin-lover who hated the Bible and Christians, and defies media efforts to classify him as a stereotypical "right-winger," according to reports." The term "Darwin-lover" is new to me. -- Doug Next we will hear Einstein-lover for an atomic scientist who sells nuclear secrets. TDD |
Bush joke (parting shot)
Douglas Johnson wrote in
: wrote: On Jun 12, 11:04*am, Douglas Johnson wrote: stan wrote: On Jun 10, 9:12*pm, Jim Yanik wrote: Well Jim even the MOST patriotic American would have to agree the last 8 years were the most disastrous for the USA in history! It is way too soon to decide that. *There is a lot of competition for that title and we'll need to get some historical perspective (like maybe 20 years) to decide. *Consider ca 1812 and near total shutdown of trade, ca 1865 with 660,000 dead, and ca 1935 with an economic crisis that dwarfs the current one. How can you say there is no need to wait? The examples you gave above clearly decide the issue. Only a kook with BDS would think that the last 8 years are even remotely close to the years encompassing the civil war or many other dark periods in US history. It's not even close to being debatable. Read it again. I said there IS a need to wait. I think you can't evaluate any president until 20 years or so has passed. We are not even close to seeing how Bush's policies will play out. Maybe democracy will spread through the Middle East. Maybe not. -- Doug Bush's Iraq policy has already paid off; Iraq is no longer any threat to it's neighbors.It also no longer assists terrorism around the world. Iraq becoming a peaceful nation with a gov't responsible to it's citizens makes a powerful example to the other ME nations,puts nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia on notice. Iraq could induce positive,beneficial change in the ME thugocracies. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Bush joke (parting shot)
Douglas Johnson wrote in
: The Daring Dufas wrote: It's a speculation based on what Conservative Religious Republicans consider to be proper behavior and my observations of various groups over the years. It's simply a way to get Conservatives to look at the subject from a different angle. Sorry. I can read that from what you wrote. It is an interesting spin. Another spin is from Freakonomics which put together a case that Roe v. Wade was a major cause the drop in crime in the 90's. Short version of the argument is that Roe v. Wade allowed a large number of criminals-to-be to never be born. -- Doug Children born into families that WANT them,and properly provide and care for them make better,more law-abiding citizens. As a group,children born into single parent "families" have a history of doing worse. As a group,their chances for success are not as good. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Bush joke (parting shot)
Douglas Johnson wrote in
: "HeyBub" wrote: I read about a (white) teen-ager recently who got in big trouble at school for referring to himself as African-American. He was born in South Africa to 5th generation Dutch settlers. Charlize Theron is an African-American; she was born in S.Africa,but is now a US citizen. I hate to do a second follow up to the same message, but I can't resist. (OK, I didn't try too hard). I did a Google search for this story and found: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=22929 Take care going there. One of their "Today's News Highlights" is about the shooter at the Holocaust Museum and starts "James von Brunn, the man who allegedly shot and killed a guard at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., was a Darwin-lover who hated the Bible and Christians, and defies media efforts to classify him as a stereotypical "right-winger," according to reports." The term "Darwin-lover" is new to me. -- Doug WND is a Christian web site. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Bush joke (parting shot)
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:48:21 -0500, The Daring Dufas
wrote: Douglas Johnson wrote: "HeyBub" wrote: I read about a (white) teen-ager recently who got in big trouble at school for referring to himself as African-American. He was born in South Africa to 5th generation Dutch settlers. I hate to do a second follow up to the same message, but I can't resist. (OK, I didn't try too hard). I did a Google search for this story and found: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=22929 Take care going there. One of their "Today's News Highlights" is about the shooter at the Holocaust Museum and starts "James von Brunn, the man who allegedly shot and killed a guard at the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., was a Darwin-lover who hated the Bible and Christians, and defies media efforts to classify him as a stereotypical "right-winger," according to reports." The term "Darwin-lover" is new to me. -- Doug Next we will hear Einstein-lover for an atomic scientist who sells nuclear secrets. TDD "Those who fail to remember our historic cheesecake are doomed to repeat it".. Just one countdown pic: http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_ho.../countdown.jpg |
Bush joke (parting shot)
On Jun 12, 12:46*pm, Douglas Johnson wrote:
wrote: On Jun 12, 11:04*am, Douglas Johnson wrote: stan wrote: On Jun 10, 9:12*pm, Jim Yanik wrote: Well Jim even the MOST patriotic American would have to agree the last 8 years were the most disastrous for the USA in history! It is way too soon to decide that. *There is a lot of competition for that title and we'll need to get some historical perspective (like maybe 20 years) to decide. *Consider ca 1812 and near total shutdown of trade, ca 1865 with 660,000 dead, and ca 1935 with an economic crisis that dwarfs the current one. How can you say there is no need to wait? * * *The examples you gave above clearly decide the issue. * Only a kook with BDS would think that the last 8 years are even remotely close to the years encompassing the civil war or many other dark periods in US history. It's not even close to being debatable. Read it again. *I said there IS a need to wait. *I think you can't evaluate any president until 20 years or so has passed. *We are not even close to seeing how Bush's policies will play out. *Maybe democracy will spread through the Middle East. *Maybe not. *-- Doug I did read it correctly. The mistake I made was in the first sentence of my reply, where I should have said "How can you say there is a need to wait?" Which I stand by. The kook statement made was: "Well Jim even the MOST patriotic American would have to agree the last 8 years were the most disastrous for the USA in history!" That is very different than evaluating Bush or any other president and where they rank in history. I agree that usually takes decades. But the last 8 years were clearly NOT the worst in US history and anyone with any sense of history and balance knows that today. |
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