I am in need of an inexpensive video surveillance system.
Could anyone recommend a site? Any recommendations
on a brand? I need motion detection to turn it on.
And the video feed could go to my computer for my
viewing the next day, and then deleting it. I am only trying
to protect a few hundred dollars worth of stuff, but I
would like to see the little *******s in court. Thanks

nefletch wrote:
I am in need of an inexpensive video surveillance system.
Could anyone recommend a site? Any recommendations
on a brand? I need motion detection to turn it on.
And the video feed could go to my computer for my
viewing the next day, and then deleting it. I am only trying
to protect a few hundred dollars worth of stuff, but I
would like to see the little *******s in court. Thanks


Dozens of comanies online sell cheap components, but if you want a
canned system you can resell later and get some of your money back, look
out at Sam's club. That is, unless the little buggers steal the security
system next time....

As to seeing the kids in court- chances are slim and none, especially if
they don't already have records. No jail space, no Juvie space, no time
for prosecutors to spend on nickel cases. Almost all get pleaded out or
'diverted'. I got robbed several times in the apartments I used to live
in. The patrol cop finally told me there really wasn't any point in
reporting it, much less giving them the detailed list of missing stuff.
There Would Be No Followup.


--
aem sends...

As to seeing the kids in court- chances are slim and none, especially if
they don't already have records. No jail space, no Juvie space, no time
for prosecutors to spend on nickel cases. Almost all get pleaded out or
'diverted'. I got robbed several times in the apartments I used to live
in. The patrol cop finally told me there really wasn't any point in
reporting it, much less giving them the detailed list of missing stuff.
There Would Be No Followup.


Well, if they don't go to court, this is a small town, and most
parents will take care of it......

aemeijers wrote:
nefletch wrote:
I am in need of an inexpensive video surveillance system.
Could anyone recommend a site? Any recommendations
on a brand? I need motion detection to turn it on.
And the video feed could go to my computer for my
viewing the next day, and then deleting it. I am only trying
to protect a few hundred dollars worth of stuff, but I
would like to see the little *******s in court. Thanks

Dozens of comanies online sell cheap components, but if you want a
canned system you can resell later and get some of your money back, look
out at Sam's club. That is, unless the little buggers steal the security
system next time....

As to seeing the kids in court- chances are slim and none, especially if
they don't already have records. No jail space, no Juvie space, no time
for prosecutors to spend on nickel cases. Almost all get pleaded out or
'diverted'. I got robbed several times in the apartments I used to live
in. The patrol cop finally told me there really wasn't any point in
reporting it, much less giving them the detailed list of missing stuff.
There Would Be No Followup.


--
aem sends...

Sounds like you live in a PC we must be nice to the riff-raff area. Its
a proven thing that if you ignore the small crimes the riff-raff will
likely grow into bigger crimes as they get older.

George wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
nefletch wrote:
I am in need of an inexpensive video surveillance system.
Could anyone recommend a site? Any recommendations
on a brand? I need motion detection to turn it on.
And the video feed could go to my computer for my
viewing the next day, and then deleting it. I am only trying
to protect a few hundred dollars worth of stuff, but I
would like to see the little *******s in court. Thanks

Dozens of comanies online sell cheap components, but if you want a
canned system you can resell later and get some of your money back,
look out at Sam's club. That is, unless the little buggers steal the
security system next time....

As to seeing the kids in court- chances are slim and none, especially
if they don't already have records. No jail space, no Juvie space, no
time for prosecutors to spend on nickel cases. Almost all get pleaded
out or 'diverted'. I got robbed several times in the apartments I used
to live in. The patrol cop finally told me there really wasn't any
point in reporting it, much less giving them the detailed list of
missing stuff. There Would Be No Followup.


--
aem sends...

Sounds like you live in a PC we must be nice to the riff-raff area. Its
a proven thing that if you ignore the small crimes the riff-raff will
likely grow into bigger crimes as they get older.

Yeah, I did a paper on the broken-window theory back in college. It has
a lot of validity.

But nope, not at all PC around here. Just a small semi-rural no-budget
township that is too damn proud and stubborn to merge their combined
PD-FD with the real town next door, or contract with the sheriff's
department for patrol coverage (like most of the other suburban
townships have done.) Law enforcement is VERY Mayberry in this part of
the metro area. And since the cops are almost all also the firemen, if
you want to pull off a crime, just torch a barn at the other end of the
township or something.

If OP can give a video CD to whatever his local law enforcement agency
is, and either have them pass it on to the parents, or get their
blessing to do it himself (and the parents will actually do something),
that may be a viable solution. But I would keep the cops in the loop-
that way when OP's house gets egged, or his tires slashed, the cops will
know it isn't just a neighbor vs. neighbor domestic. They HATE those.

--
aem sends...

nefletch wrote:
I am in need of an inexpensive video surveillance system.
Could anyone recommend a site? Any recommendations
on a brand? I need motion detection to turn it on.
And the video feed could go to my computer for my
viewing the next day, and then deleting it. I am only trying
to protect a few hundred dollars worth of stuff, but I
would like to see the little *******s in court. Thanks

Yep. I got one of these for about $30.00
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=47546

Then I got a video capture card here for $17.00:
http://www.directron.com/tvpcirc.html

Plugged the capture card into a spare 900MHz machine and I was good to go.
It captures at a bit less than 1Gig of disk space per hour of recording. The
capture card can also be hooked up to a TV antenna or cable so you can watch
regular TV on your computer monitor.

Right now I've got it hooked up in my bedroom to make my own clandestine
home movies. Even in pitch dark I get pictures in amazing detail - evidently
the gizmo has its own infared lamps which are good to at least 15 feet.

nefletch wrote:
I am in need of an inexpensive video surveillance system.
Could anyone recommend a site? Any recommendations
on a brand? I need motion detection to turn it on.
And the video feed could go to my computer for my
viewing the next day, and then deleting it. I am only trying
to protect a few hundred dollars worth of stuff, but I
would like to see the little *******s in court. Thanks



Here's a link to the supplier I use for the systems
I install.

http://www.supercircuits.com/

TDD

I highly recommend the Panasonic BL-C111A (ethernet cable) or BL-C131A
(wireless) network security cameras. You can record motion capture and view
remotely across the Internet. The biggest reason I recommend these is
because they are highly reliable. I've installed around a dozen of them and
none has ever failed. A premium model that costs a bit more is the
Panasonic BB-HCM511A which is their business line version with better
low-light sensitivity and dynamic color range.

If you have Windows Vista you can have a view from the camera on your
desktop so you can always see what's happening out of the corner of your
eye. Use this Sidebar Gadget:

http://gallery.live.com/liveItemDeta...a-651a1c096926

"iwdplz" wrote:

I highly recommend the Panasonic BL-C111A (ethernet cable) or BL-C131A
(wireless) network security cameras. You can record motion capture and view
remotely across the Internet. The biggest reason I recommend these is
because they are highly reliable. I've installed around a dozen of them and
none has ever failed. A premium model that costs a bit more is the
Panasonic BB-HCM511A which is their business line version with better
low-light sensitivity and dynamic color range.

Not the OP- but do you know where I could see a comparison between the
$30 dollar and the $300 cameras?

I might try a cheapy for a wildlife cam if it is good enough--- I'd
have to do some real 'rationalization before I spent $300, though.

Jim

On Jun 8, 5:49*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
"iwdplz" wrote:
I highly recommend the Panasonic BL-C111A (ethernet cable) or BL-C131A
(wireless) network security cameras. *You can record motion capture and view
remotely across the Internet. *The biggest reason I recommend these is
because they are highly reliable. *I've installed around a dozen of them and
none has ever failed. *A premium model that costs a bit more is the
Panasonic BB-HCM511A which is their business line version with better
low-light sensitivity and dynamic color range.

Not the OP- but do you know where I could see a comparison between the
$30 dollar and the $300 cameras?

I might try a cheapy for a wildlife cam if it is good enough--- I'd
have to do some real 'rationalization before I spent $300, though.

Jim

www.supercircuits.com sells cheap to top of line, everything you could
need.

Be sure to look at x10.com

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
"iwdplz" wrote:

I highly recommend the Panasonic BL-C111A (ethernet cable) or
BL-C131A (wireless) network security cameras. You can record motion
capture and view remotely across the Internet. The biggest reason I
recommend these is because they are highly reliable. I've installed
around a dozen of them and none has ever failed. A premium model
that costs a bit more is the Panasonic BB-HCM511A which is their
business line version with better low-light sensitivity and dynamic
color range.

Not the OP- but do you know where I could see a comparison between the
$30 dollar and the $300 cameras?

I might try a cheapy for a wildlife cam if it is good enough--- I'd
have to do some real 'rationalization before I spent $300, though.


You can TRY the HF model and, if it doesn't work to your satisfaction,
return it. Of course the only comparison you could make is whether the
results sufficiently meet your needs.

Jim Elbrecht wrote:
"iwdplz" wrote:

I highly recommend the Panasonic BL-C111A (ethernet cable) or BL-C131A
(wireless) network security cameras. You can record motion capture and view
remotely across the Internet. The biggest reason I recommend these is
because they are highly reliable. I've installed around a dozen of them and
none has ever failed. A premium model that costs a bit more is the
Panasonic BB-HCM511A which is their business line version with better
low-light sensitivity and dynamic color range.

Not the OP- but do you know where I could see a comparison between the
$30 dollar and the $300 cameras?

I might try a cheapy for a wildlife cam if it is good enough--- I'd
have to do some real 'rationalization before I spent $300, though.

Jim

The problem with the Mickey Mouse junk is that it often lulls folks into
thinking they have something usable just because they see video. A
friends friend put one of those sams club "all this for $499" or
whatever packages in his business. I politely pointed out he had wasted
his money because even though he thought it "looked good" the actual
image quality was poor. Some time later his shop got burglarized and
trashed by riff raff. When they looked at the video and actually tried
to get something usable by enlarging the images there was just nothing
usable because of the low quality images.

iwdplz wrote:
I highly recommend the Panasonic BL-C111A (ethernet cable) or BL-C131A
(wireless) network security cameras. You can record motion capture and
view remotely across the Internet. The biggest reason I recommend these
is because they are highly reliable. I've installed around a dozen of
them and none has ever failed. A premium model that costs a bit more is
the Panasonic BB-HCM511A which is their business line version with
better low-light sensitivity and dynamic color range.

If you have Windows Vista you can have a view from the camera on your
desktop so you can always see what's happening out of the corner of your
eye. Use this Sidebar Gadget:

http://gallery.live.com/liveItemDeta...a-651a1c096926


Just as an aside. You might want to be a bit cautions with the wireless
cameras. There was a story on the news on Channel 6 here in Tulsa a while
back. It seems that somebody bought one for a backup camera for his car.
Then while he was driving down the street he kept seeing images from
other security cameras. There was even one from somebody who had one
set up to watch the baby. You probably need to spring for the unit that
scrambles the picture.

Bill

On Jun 8, 9:22�am, BillGill wrote:
iwdplz wrote:
I highly recommend the Panasonic BL-C111A (ethernet cable) or BL-C131A
(wireless) network security cameras. �You can record motion capture and
view remotely across the Internet. �The biggest reason I recommend these
is because they are highly reliable. �I've installed around a dozen of
them and none has ever failed. �A premium model that costs a bit more is
the Panasonic BB-HCM511A which is their business line version with
better low-light sensitivity and dynamic color range.

If you have Windows Vista you can have a view from the camera on your
desktop so you can always see what's happening out of the corner of your
eye. �Use this Sidebar Gadget:

http://gallery.live.com/liveItemDeta...-5b26-4a67-9cd....

Just as an aside. �You might want to be a bit cautions with the wireless
cameras. �There was a story on the news on Channel 6 here in Tulsa a while
back. �It seems that somebody bought one for a backup camera for his car.
Then while he was driving down the street he kept seeing images from
other security cameras. �There was even one from somebody who had one
set up to watch the baby. �You probably need to spring for the unit that
scrambles the picture.

Bill- Hide quoted text -

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if your trying to protect 300 bucks of value it migfht be more
economical to harden it from theft or vandalism or move it completely.

might not be worth the effort to spends gobs of money.............

or put up a couple dummy cameras and warning signs, so idiots move on
to a easier target

On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:26:00 -0500, HeyBub wrote:

Right now I've got it hooked up in my bedroom to make my own clandestine
home movies. Even in pitch dark I get pictures in amazing detail - evidently
the gizmo has its own infared lamps which are good to at least 15 feet.

I beleve you could have kept this a secret and no feelings would be hurt.
Or was this in the interest of home security only? If so there has to be a
story worth telling!

If not, I'll forget I read this.

On Jun 7, 6:11*pm, "nefletch" wrote:
Well, if they don't go to court, this is a small town, and most
parents will take care of it......

Doubt it. If the parent's were capable of taking care of it, their
little urchins wouldn't be stealing from you in the first place.

On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 08:22:34 -0500, BillGill
wrote:

iwdplz wrote:
I highly recommend the Panasonic BL-C111A (ethernet cable) or BL-C131A
(wireless) network security cameras. You can record motion capture and
view remotely across the Internet. The biggest reason I recommend these
is because they are highly reliable. I've installed around a dozen of
them and none has ever failed. A premium model that costs a bit more is
the Panasonic BB-HCM511A which is their business line version with
better low-light sensitivity and dynamic color range.

If you have Windows Vista you can have a view from the camera on your
desktop so you can always see what's happening out of the corner of your
eye. Use this Sidebar Gadget:

http://gallery.live.com/liveItemDeta...a-651a1c096926


Just as an aside. You might want to be a bit cautions with the wireless
cameras. There was a story on the news on Channel 6 here in Tulsa a while
back. It seems that somebody bought one for a backup camera for his car.
Then while he was driving down the street he kept seeing images from
other security cameras. There was even one from somebody who had one
set up to watch the baby. You probably need to spring for the unit that
scrambles the picture.

Bill

I avoid wireless when possible. That applies to cameras, and other
things like computer networks.
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov

RLM wrote:
On Sun, 07 Jun 2009 21:26:00 -0500, HeyBub wrote:

Right now I've got it hooked up in my bedroom to make my own
clandestine home movies. Even in pitch dark I get pictures in
amazing detail - evidently the gizmo has its own infared lamps which
are good to at least 15 feet.

I beleve you could have kept this a secret and no feelings would be
hurt. Or was this in the interest of home security only? If so there
has to be a story worth telling!

If not, I'll forget I read this.

I apologize if anyone's feelings were hurt!

I just assumed people would think keeping the camera trained on the
lawnmower shed all night would be kinda dull. And there IS a security
aspect. One night while I was asleep, someone snunk in and stole all my
stuff! That wasn't the half of it, though - they replaced what they stole
with stuff that looked exactly like the stuff they took !

Soon as I finish collecting data - and editting it - I'll post the results
on a Russian web site and you can judge for yourself. (Does anyone know of
an MP4 editting program that works like Photoshop? That is, one that can
make selected items, er, bigger?)

bob haller wrote:

Just as an aside. ?You might want to be a bit cautions with the
wireless cameras. ?There was a story on the news on Channel 6 here
in Tulsa a while back. ?It seems that somebody bought one for a
backup camera for his car. Then while he was driving down the street
he kept seeing images from other security cameras. ?There was even
one from somebody who had one
set up to watch the baby. ?You probably need to spring for the unit
that scrambles the picture.

Bill- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

if your trying to protect 300 bucks of value it migfht be more
economical to harden it from theft or vandalism or move it completely.

might not be worth the effort to spends gobs of money.............

or put up a couple dummy cameras and warning signs, so idiots move on
to a easier target

Story:

A few years ago, a couple of teen-agers broke into a boat shed belonging to
a boat repair company in Maine. Their plan was to steal some radios from the
boats parked there. Then they noticed the cameras. No problemo - burn down
the whole damned shed!

Of course the recording apparatus was located nowhere near the cameras and
it didn't take long to identify the miscreants, two local boys, aged 16 &
17. However...

One of the boats, in for a routine tune-up, belonged to George H.W. Bush.

The Secret Service got on the case!

They let the state handle the adult while they filed "Terroristic Acts"
against the 16-year-old. The federal juvenile justice system ordered the
younger boy confined to the only federal maximum-security juvenile detention
center in the country (somewhere in Pennsylvania) until he was 21. So, for
five years, he'll be locked up with (mostly) crazy Indians.

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 14:34:33 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

bob haller wrote:

Just as an aside. ?You might want to be a bit cautions with the
wireless cameras. ?There was a story on the news on Channel 6 here
in Tulsa a while back. ?It seems that somebody bought one for a
backup camera for his car. Then while he was driving down the street
he kept seeing images from other security cameras. ?There was even
one from somebody who had one
set up to watch the baby. ?You probably need to spring for the unit
that scrambles the picture.

Bill- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

if your trying to protect 300 bucks of value it migfht be more
economical to harden it from theft or vandalism or move it completely.

might not be worth the effort to spends gobs of money.............

or put up a couple dummy cameras and warning signs, so idiots move on
to a easier target

Story:

A few years ago, a couple of teen-agers broke into a boat shed belonging to
a boat repair company in Maine. Their plan was to steal some radios from the
boats parked there. Then they noticed the cameras. No problemo - burn down
the whole damned shed!

Of course the recording apparatus was located nowhere near the cameras and
it didn't take long to identify the miscreants, two local boys, aged 16 &
17. However...

One of the boats, in for a routine tune-up, belonged to George H.W. Bush.

The Secret Service got on the case!

They let the state handle the adult while they filed "Terroristic Acts"
against the 16-year-old. The federal juvenile justice system ordered the
younger boy confined to the only federal maximum-security juvenile detention
center in the country (somewhere in Pennsylvania) until he was 21. So, for
five years, he'll be locked up with (mostly) crazy Indians.


I see a problem here. The Youth Corrections Act (YCA) phased out circa
70-80s. They were 18-25 years of age, so if they behaved - felony's
were dropped.

The closest YCA center to PA may have been YCA Lorton, (D.C.)???

Oren wrote:

Story:

A few years ago, a couple of teen-agers broke into a boat shed
belonging to a boat repair company in Maine. Their plan was to steal
some radios from the boats parked there. Then they noticed the
cameras. No problemo - burn down the whole damned shed!

Of course the recording apparatus was located nowhere near the
cameras and it didn't take long to identify the miscreants, two
local boys, aged 16 &
17. However...

One of the boats, in for a routine tune-up, belonged to George H.W.
Bush.

The Secret Service got on the case!

They let the state handle the adult while they filed "Terroristic
Acts" against the 16-year-old. The federal juvenile justice system
ordered the younger boy confined to the only federal
maximum-security juvenile detention center in the country (somewhere
in Pennsylvania) until he was 21. So, for five years, he'll be
locked up with (mostly) crazy Indians.


I see a problem here. The Youth Corrections Act (YCA) phased out circa
70-80s. They were 18-25 years of age, so if they behaved - felony's
were dropped.

The closest YCA center to PA may have been YCA Lorton, (D.C.)???

The heinous crimes happened in Maine. The way the story read, there's only
ONE federal SuperMax maximum-security facility for juveniles.

Oren wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 14:34:33 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

bob haller wrote:

Just as an aside. ?You might want to be a bit cautions with the
wireless cameras. ?There was a story on the news on Channel 6 here
in Tulsa a while back. ?It seems that somebody bought one for a
backup camera for his car. Then while he was driving down the
street he kept seeing images from other security cameras. ?There
was even one from somebody who had one
set up to watch the baby. ?You probably need to spring for the unit
that scrambles the picture.

Bill- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

if your trying to protect 300 bucks of value it migfht be more
economical to harden it from theft or vandalism or move it
completely.

might not be worth the effort to spends gobs of money.............

or put up a couple dummy cameras and warning signs, so idiots move
on to a easier target

Story:

A few years ago, a couple of teen-agers broke into a boat shed
belonging to a boat repair company in Maine. Their plan was to steal
some radios from the boats parked there. Then they noticed the
cameras. No problemo - burn down the whole damned shed!

Of course the recording apparatus was located nowhere near the
cameras and it didn't take long to identify the miscreants, two
local boys, aged 16 &
17. However...

One of the boats, in for a routine tune-up, belonged to George H.W.
Bush.

The Secret Service got on the case!

They let the state handle the adult while they filed "Terroristic
Acts" against the 16-year-old. The federal juvenile justice system
ordered the younger boy confined to the only federal
maximum-security juvenile detention center in the country (somewhere
in Pennsylvania) until he was 21. So, for five years, he'll be
locked up with (mostly) crazy Indians.


I see a problem here. The Youth Corrections Act (YCA) phased out circa
70-80s. They were 18-25 years of age, so if they behaved - felony's
were dropped.

The closest YCA center to PA may have been YCA Lorton, (D.C.)???

Here's one link to the case:
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39687

Upon re-reading the report, I'm amazed at how well I remembered the facts. I
missed the ages of the miscreants, but got most of the remaining parts sort
of correct - especially the part about the malefactor being confined with
almost 200 drunk, violent Indians.

Here's another link (same story) from a definitive source, the New York
Times ("All the news that's fit to print" edition):
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/23/us...president.html

In article
munications,
"nefletch" wrote:

I am in need of an inexpensive video surveillance system.
Could anyone recommend a site? Any recommendations
on a brand? I need motion detection to turn it on.
And the video feed could go to my computer for my
viewing the next day, and then deleting it. I am only trying
to protect a few hundred dollars worth of stuff, but I
would like to see the little *******s in court. Thanks

Costco carries some systems from a company called Q-See. They come with
multiple cameras. I've been thinking of getting one. Check them out
online if you want.

In article
,
aemeijers wrote:

I got robbed several times in the apartments I used to live
in.

People are robbed. Buildings are burglarized. Robbery is considered far
more serious, since it involves a presumed threat to life, and the
police *will* follow up on it.