On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 09:06:10 -0500, AZ Nomad
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 08:30:42 -0400, dgk wrote:
On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:46:17 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:26:48 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Jesus never existed. It's a fantasy figure in a really old storybook
called the bible. Only fools believe jesus was real. Most kids quit
believing in fantasy creatures such as santa claus, the tooth fairy
and jesus christ by the age of ten. It's time for you to GROW UP !!!!

Sure he existed - he was some dark skinned Jewish kid who caused lots
of problems for the authorities.

Actually not. The stories are a conglomeration of other stories floating
about the area. If there was a real jesus, there were actually piles
of them, religious nutjobs eeking a living spinning tales for the gullable.

There probably was someone with that name (consider that propaganda
[such as the Bible] is meant to be read, so contains elements of
reality to hold peoples' attention).
--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:22:29 -0500, bud--
wrote:

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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:40:35 -0700 (PDT), Pat
wrote:

On Jun 8, 10:46 am, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:26:48 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"


Not going to get into a religeous debate here, but the question of
whether Jesus of Nazareth lived some 2000 years ago is not a question
of faith or conjecture. It is a historic documented fact.

The only question that remains a matter of faith is if he was who he
claimed to be.. In order for him to be the son of God,
....

He claimed to be the son of god?

cite
I said I'm not getting into any religous debate

Don't debate. Proclaim. World of difference.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


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I said I'm not getting into any religous debate

On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 21:53:21 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Don't debate. Proclaim. World of difference.
I'll proclaim to those who are willing to listen, but with this bunch
it's like casting pearls to swine.

wrote:


Not going to get into a religeous debate here, but the question of
whether Jesus of Nazareth lived some 2000 years ago is not a question
of faith or conjecture. It is a historic documented fact.

Huh? There is no extra-Biblical evidence of Jesus, and the Biblical evidence
itself is suspect. For example, the Gospels are not self identifying, only
attributed by tradition to Matthew, Mark, etc. Most of the New Testament was
written by Paul, but Paul never met Jesus in the flesh. And so on. However,
all that's not dispositive. There IS an unbroken oral tradition as to the
existence of Jesus.


The only question that remains a matter of faith is if he was who he
claimed to be.. In order for him to be the son of God, you must
believe God exists. This is neither provable nor disproveable, so
remains a matter of faith.

When it comes to the old testement, the proof of whether some
character or another actually existed gets a lot more difficult.

Some are historically verifiable. Some are not.

Right. Adam & Eve, for example. I have, however, seen a serpent...

dgk wrote:

Sure he existed - he was some dark skinned Jewish kid who caused lots
of problems for the authorities.

Jewish kids don't cause trouble. They do not, for example, join gangs.

Principally because they can't wear their yarmulkes backwards.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Don't debate. Proclaim. World of difference.


That's why I keep pepper spray by the front door.
I tell them I'm not interested *ONE TIME ONLY*.
If I have to explain my disinterest again, I use
the pepper spray.

TDD

I should do that with phone solicitors. If they don't take
the hint after one try, I'll spray the phone with pepper
spray, and hang up.

On the other hand.... maybe not.

Love to hear some of the reactions from the folks who try to
market you, at your front door.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in
message ...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
Don't debate. Proclaim. World of difference.


That's why I keep pepper spray by the front door.
I tell them I'm not interested *ONE TIME ONLY*.
If I have to explain my disinterest again, I use
the pepper spray.

TDD

Stormin Mormon wrote:
I should do that with phone solicitors. If they don't take
the hint after one try, I'll spray the phone with pepper
spray, and hang up.

On the other hand.... maybe not.

Love to hear some of the reactions from the folks who try to
market you, at your front door.


One time I had a black cape and a cap with horns.
I could see those pests from a mile away and was
just waiting for them. I would greet them at the
door with my costume and in the creepiest voice
I could summon, say "Come in, come in, we need a
sacrifice. Are you virgins?" I did have a ketchup
covered knife in my hand on a few occasions. The
pepper was a lot less time consuming. The sight
of the can in my hand was enough most times.

TDD

One of my favorites is a comic I know from church. He says
he had one phone guy going for a while. Said he was cripple,
and fell out of his wheel chair on the way to the phone
cause his Mom was supposed to call from the hospital. I
forget all the details, but it was good.

Nothing like pepper spray for solicitors.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in
message ...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
I should do that with phone solicitors. If they don't take
the hint after one try, I'll spray the phone with pepper
spray, and hang up.

On the other hand.... maybe not.

Love to hear some of the reactions from the folks who try
to
market you, at your front door.


One time I had a black cape and a cap with horns.
I could see those pests from a mile away and was
just waiting for them. I would greet them at the
door with my costume and in the creepiest voice
I could summon, say "Come in, come in, we need a
sacrifice. Are you virgins?" I did have a ketchup
covered knife in my hand on a few occasions. The
pepper was a lot less time consuming. The sight
of the can in my hand was enough most times.

TDD

Stormin Mormon wrote:
One of my favorites is a comic I know from church. He says
he had one phone guy going for a while. Said he was cripple,
and fell out of his wheel chair on the way to the phone
cause his Mom was supposed to call from the hospital. I
forget all the details, but it was good.

Nothing like pepper spray for solicitors.


Or traveling proselytizers.

TDD

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:39:16 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

One of my favorites is a comic I know from church. He says
he had one phone guy going for a while. Said he was cripple,
and fell out of his wheel chair on the way to the phone
cause his Mom was supposed to call from the hospital. I
forget all the details, but it was good.

Nothing like pepper spray for solicitors.


For the telephone calls, if I accidentally answer them, I like
to respond with

YOU are the 10th caller and you have won a free dance lesson
at Author Murray's dance studio.

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Jim Yanik wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

It's wise to try and adjust to the sun's schedule. Go to bed
when it gets dark. That cuts back on your need for
artificial light.

Other, less cheeful thought. I live in NY, but I personally
know of at least two people who have had generators stolen.

F-ing thieves should be shot on sight.(I've been a victim)


Texas Penal Code 9.42 DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY

A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land
or tangible, moveable property:

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is
immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's immediate commission of arson, burglary,
robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal
mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing
burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from
escaping with the property...

I imagine the police in Texas probably don't worry too much about
whether you shout "Stop, thief!" out loud, or only to yourself as you're
aiming.

Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Jim Yanik wrote:
"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

It's wise to try and adjust to the sun's schedule. Go to bed
when it gets dark. That cuts back on your need for
artificial light.

Other, less cheeful thought. I live in NY, but I personally
know of at least two people who have had generators stolen.
F-ing thieves should be shot on sight.(I've been a victim)

Texas Penal Code 9.42 DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY

A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land
or tangible, moveable property:

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is
immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's immediate commission of arson, burglary,
robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal
mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing
burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from
escaping with the property...

I imagine the police in Texas probably don't worry too much about
whether you shout "Stop, thief!" out loud, or only to yourself as you're
aiming.

I remember a news story about a police officer shooting
a fleeing felon who had burglarized a home and was shot
as he climbed over a fence. The felon was a nine year
old Negro boy. Of course there was all the screaming
and protesting but the state law allowed for the use of
deadly force against a fleeing felon. One more burglar
who lost his membership in the AAWDS.

TDD