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I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the past 6
weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly what's going
on. I know one option is to pay someone to come out and do the video
inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly expensive. Does anyone know
of any less expensive ways that I can do this myself? For example, are
there any tool rental places that rent the equipment to do a video
inspection?

The actual situation with the sewer line is a little complicated and hard to
explain. Basically, the line clogs at around 45 feet past where the sewer
line runs out of the house. I know this from my own efforts at trying to
unclog it and having a 50-foot snake that hits a clog at around 45 feet. I
also had a plumber come out and clear the line twice in a two-week period,
and both times it took about 45 feet of drain snake before they hit and
cleared the clog. The town's sewer department came out and cleared the main
line twice in two weeks after that, and they too agreed that the clog is out
there somewhere. But everyone, including them, is unclear about exactly
where my line goes and where the main line goes.

My property is one of 4 attached 2-family duplexes in a row. My proper is
and end-unit duplex and my line appears to go out to the beginning of a main
sewer line rather than tying into a main line that goes in both directions
from where my line ties into it. My proper -- for some unknown reason --
does not have a curb vent. It is possible that it used to have a curb vent
but the vent is now located under a roadway after the roadway was widened a
long time ago. The other 3 attached properties have curb vents and appear
to tie into the main line in a T-type fashion. The only maps the town has
of where the main lines are pre-date when these buildings were built, so no
main lines are shown on the map. The maps are from 1937 and the buildings
were built after that.

I am not really posting this part to try to get people to figure out where
the main line is, or even to try to figure out what the problem is. I'm
just including that to give an idea that there is something goofy about the
whole setup. That's why I would like to see if I can do some kind of
low-cost video inspection of the line -- assuming that there is some way for
me to do that.

And, yes, there is one tree about 40-feet down the street in front of
another property and above where the main line goes. So, I suspect that is
where the problem is. There are no other trees or bushes in the area.

So, the bottom line question is, does anyone know of any low-cost ways to do
some kind of video inspection of the sewer line? I doubt that there is any
way other than to pay someone to do it, but I thought I'd ask just in case.


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On Jun 4, 6:10*pm, "BetaB4" wrote:
I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the past 6
weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly what's going
on. *I know one option is to pay someone to come out and do the video
inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly expensive. *Does anyone know
of any less expensive ways that I can do this myself? *For example, are
there any tool rental places that rent the equipment to do a video
inspection?

The actual situation with the sewer line is a little complicated and hard to
explain. *Basically, the line clogs at around 45 feet past where the sewer
line runs out of the house. *I know this from my own efforts at trying to
unclog it and having a 50-foot snake that hits a clog at around 45 feet. *I
also had a plumber come out and clear the line twice in a two-week period,
and both times it took about 45 feet of *drain snake before they hit and
cleared the clog. *The town's sewer department came out and cleared the main
line twice in two weeks after that, and they too agreed that the clog is out
there somewhere. *But everyone, including them, is unclear about exactly
where my line goes and where the main line goes.

My property is one of 4 attached 2-family duplexes in a row. *My proper is
and end-unit duplex and my line appears to go out to the beginning of a main
sewer line rather than tying into a main line that goes in both directions
from where my line ties into it. *My proper -- for some unknown reason -- *
does not have a curb vent. *It is possible that it used to have a curb vent
but the vent is now located under a roadway after the roadway was widened a
long time ago. *The other 3 attached properties have curb vents and appear
to tie into the main line in a T-type fashion. *The only maps the town has
of where the main lines are pre-date when these buildings were built, so no
main lines are shown on the map. *The maps are from 1937 and the buildings
were built after that.

I am not really posting this part to try to get people to figure out where
the main line is, or even to try to figure out what the problem is. *I'm
just including that to give an idea that there is something goofy about the
whole setup. *That's why I would like to see if I can do some kind of
low-cost video inspection of the line -- assuming that there is some way for
me to do that.

And, yes, there is one tree about 40-feet down the street in front of
another property and above where the main line goes. *So, I suspect that is
where the problem is. *There are no other trees or bushes in the area.

So, the bottom line question is, does anyone know of any low-cost ways to do
some kind of video inspection of the sewer line? *I doubt that there is any
way other than to pay someone to do it, but I thought I'd ask just in case.


Who have you called and what was the price quote?

Joe
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On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:10:13 -0400, "BetaB4" wrote:

I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the past 6
weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly what's going
on. I know one option is to pay someone to come out and do the video
inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly expensive. Does anyone know
of any less expensive ways that I can do this myself? For example, are
there any tool rental places that rent the equipment to do a video
inspection?

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Most of the tool rental places here in NE Ohio rent this gear. It's
not cheap, but probably cheaper than hiring a plumber to do it.

Don't have any personal experience with the gear myself, but the
rental folks are usually pretty helpful.

HTH,

Paul F.
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On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:10:13 -0400, "BetaB4" wrote:

I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the
past 6 weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly
what's going on. I know one option is to pay someone to come out and
do the video inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly
expensive. Does anyone know of any less expensive ways that I can do
this myself? For example, are there any tool rental places that rent
the equipment to do a video inspection?

snip

Most of the tool rental places here in NE Ohio rent this gear. It's
not cheap, but probably cheaper than hiring a plumber to do it.

Don't have any personal experience with the gear myself, but the
rental folks are usually pretty helpful.

HTH,

Paul F.

We had a similar problem. I think it was a crack in the original (1929)
clay pipe near/under the oak tree. We had the 20 feet replaced with
plastic pipe for $2900. Then we asked that the town inspect and if
necessary correct the street pipe/lateral to our home that was the town
responsibility. The same sewer company we hired works for the town, and
the town had something in the street replaced too. So far so good, the
work was only completed a few months ago. Just about every house on our
street/neighborhood has had similar work done.


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I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the past 6
weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly what's going
on. I know one option is to pay someone to come out and do the video
inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly expensive. Does anyone
know of any less expensive ways that I can do this myself? For example,
are there any tool rental places that rent the equipment to do a video
inspection?

The actual situation with the sewer line is a little complicated and hard
to explain. Basically, the line clogs at around 45 feet past where the
sewer line runs out of the house. I know this from my own efforts at
trying to unclog it and having a 50-foot snake that hits a clog at around
45 feet. I also had a plumber come out and clear the line twice in a
two-week period, and both times it took about 45 feet of drain snake
before they hit and cleared the clog. The town's sewer department came
out and cleared the main line twice in two weeks after that, and they too
agreed that the clog is out there somewhere. But everyone, including
them, is unclear about exactly where my line goes and where the main line
goes.

My property is one of 4 attached 2-family duplexes in a row. My proper is
and end-unit duplex and my line appears to go out to the beginning of a
main sewer line rather than tying into a main line that goes in both
directions from where my line ties into it. My proper -- for some unknown
reason -- does not have a curb vent. It is possible that it used to have
a curb vent but the vent is now located under a roadway after the roadway
was widened a long time ago. The other 3 attached properties have curb
vents and appear to tie into the main line in a T-type fashion. The only
maps the town has of where the main lines are pre-date when these
buildings were built, so no main lines are shown on the map. The maps are
from 1937 and the buildings were built after that.

I am not really posting this part to try to get people to figure out where
the main line is, or even to try to figure out what the problem is. I'm
just including that to give an idea that there is something goofy about
the whole setup. That's why I would like to see if I can do some kind of
low-cost video inspection of the line -- assuming that there is some way
for me to do that.

And, yes, there is one tree about 40-feet down the street in front of
another property and above where the main line goes. So, I suspect that
is where the problem is. There are no other trees or bushes in the area.

So, the bottom line question is, does anyone know of any low-cost ways to
do some kind of video inspection of the sewer line? I doubt that there is
any way other than to pay someone to do it, but I thought I'd ask just in
case.

Whether or not you get to see inside the line, you are likely to need to
locate the line to dig and repair it so I would concentrate on that first.
If it goes under a tree 45 feet out, you do not need a video camera to fix
it.

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On Jun 4, 7:10*pm, "BetaB4" wrote:
I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the past 6
weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly what's going
on. *I know one option is to pay someone to come out and do the video
inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly expensive. *Does anyone know
of any less expensive ways that I can do this myself? *For example, are
there any tool rental places that rent the equipment to do a video
inspection?

The actual situation with the sewer line is a little complicated and hard to
explain. *Basically, the line clogs at around 45 feet past where the sewer
line runs out of the house. *I know this from my own efforts at trying to
unclog it and having a 50-foot snake that hits a clog at around 45 feet. *I
also had a plumber come out and clear the line twice in a two-week period,
and both times it took about 45 feet of *drain snake before they hit and
cleared the clog. *The town's sewer department came out and cleared the main
line twice in two weeks after that, and they too agreed that the clog is out
there somewhere. *But everyone, including them, is unclear about exactly
where my line goes and where the main line goes.

My property is one of 4 attached 2-family duplexes in a row. *My proper is
and end-unit duplex and my line appears to go out to the beginning of a main
sewer line rather than tying into a main line that goes in both directions
from where my line ties into it. *My proper -- for some unknown reason -- *
does not have a curb vent. *It is possible that it used to have a curb vent
but the vent is now located under a roadway after the roadway was widened a
long time ago. *The other 3 attached properties have curb vents and appear
to tie into the main line in a T-type fashion. *The only maps the town has
of where the main lines are pre-date when these buildings were built, so no
main lines are shown on the map. *The maps are from 1937 and the buildings
were built after that.

I am not really posting this part to try to get people to figure out where
the main line is, or even to try to figure out what the problem is. *I'm
just including that to give an idea that there is something goofy about the
whole setup. *That's why I would like to see if I can do some kind of
low-cost video inspection of the line -- assuming that there is some way for
me to do that.

And, yes, there is one tree about 40-feet down the street in front of
another property and above where the main line goes. *So, I suspect that is
where the problem is. *There are no other trees or bushes in the area.

So, the bottom line question is, does anyone know of any low-cost ways to do
some kind of video inspection of the sewer line? *I doubt that there is any
way other than to pay someone to do it, but I thought I'd ask just in case.


Well, it certainly sounds like the tree could be the problem. Use
some rock salt and kill the roots encroaching on the pipe. Google
'rock salt roots".

R
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I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the past 6
weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly what's going
on. �I know one option is to pay someone to come out and do the video
inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly expensive. �Does anyone
know of any less expensive ways that I can do this myself? �For example,
are there any tool rental places that rent the equipment to do a video
inspection?


The actual situation with the sewer line is a little complicated and hard
to explain. �Basically, the line clogs at around 45 feet past where the
sewer line runs out of the house. �I know this from my own efforts at
trying to unclog it and having a 50-foot snake that hits a clog at around
45 feet. �I also had a plumber come out and clear the line twice in a
two-week period, and both times it took about 45 feet of �drain snake
before they hit and cleared the clog. �The town's sewer department came
out and cleared the main line twice in two weeks after that, and they too
agreed that the clog is out there somewhere. �But everyone, including
them, is unclear about exactly where my line goes and where the main line
goes.


My property is one of 4 attached 2-family duplexes in a row. �My proper is
and end-unit duplex and my line appears to go out to the beginning of a
main sewer line rather than tying into a main line that goes in both
directions from where my line ties into it. �My proper -- for some unknown
reason -- �does not have a curb vent. �It is possible that it used to have
a curb vent but the vent is now located under a roadway after the roadway
was widened a long time ago. �The other 3 attached properties have curb
vents and appear to tie into the main line in a T-type fashion. �The only
maps the town has of where the main lines are pre-date when these
buildings were built, so no main lines are shown on the map. �The maps are
from 1937 and the buildings were built after that.


I am not really posting this part to try to get people to figure out where
the main line is, or even to try to figure out what the problem is. �I'm
just including that to give an idea that there is something goofy about
the whole setup. �That's why I would like to see if I can do some kind of
low-cost video inspection of the line -- assuming that there is some way
for me to do that.


And, yes, there is one tree about 40-feet down the street in front of
another property and above where the main line goes. �So, I suspect that
is where the problem is. �There are no other trees or bushes in the area.


So, the bottom line question is, does anyone know of any low-cost ways to
do some kind of video inspection of the sewer line? �I doubt that there is
any way other than to pay someone to do it, but I thought I'd ask just in
case.


Whether or not you get to see inside the line, you are likely to need to
locate the line to dig and repair it so I would concentrate on that first..
If it goes under a tree 45 feet out, you do not need a video camera to fix
it.

Don Young- Hide quoted text -

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Why dig if the trouble is tree roots?

just buy some rock salt, mix with hot water in a washtub, and let it
go down the sewer. do before going to work for the day so it can sit
in the line. it will kill the roots buit not the tree, is cheap and
effective. if you cant find rocksalt softener salt should work too.

ever notice how grass dies if exposed to rocksalt?

I have been doing this for over 10 years and its worked great.

do about 4 times a year, with special attention in spring just before
trees leaf out.

25 pounds of rock salt is really cheap
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BetaB4 wrote:
I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the past 6
weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly what's going
on. I know one option is to pay someone to come out and do the video
inspection, ...


What makes you think that you can see through sewage? Video is
impractical because first you would have to flush the system with clear
water.

What you want is a sonar probe.

But why? You will still have a clog that has to be fixed.

Try the "roto-router" approach and maybe you'll be lucky
and not have to dig up the whole thing.
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I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the past 6
weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly what's going
on. *I know one option is to pay someone to come out and do the video
inspection, ...


What makes you think that you can see through sewage? Video is
impractical because first you would have to flush the system with clear
water.

What you want is a sonar probe.


Industry standard is the Ridgid video.

But why? You will still have a clog that has to be fixed.

Try the "roto-router" approach and maybe you'll be lucky
and not have to dig up the whole thing.


A sewer line is rarely filled. The video camera snakes have bright
LED lights on the end. If you get to a point where you can't see
anything, you've found the blockage, right?

R
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I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the past 6
weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly what's going
on. I know one option is to pay someone to come out and do the video
inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly expensive. Does anyone
know of any less expensive ways that I can do this myself? For example,
are there any tool rental places that rent the equipment to do a video
inspection?

The actual situation with the sewer line is a little complicated and hard
to explain. Basically, the line clogs at around 45 feet past where the
sewer line runs out of the house. I know this from my own efforts at
trying to unclog it and having a 50-foot snake that hits a clog at around
45 feet. I also had a plumber come out and clear the line twice in a
two-week period, and both times it took about 45 feet of drain snake
before they hit and cleared the clog. The town's sewer department came
out and cleared the main line twice in two weeks after that, and they too
agreed that the clog is out there somewhere. But everyone, including
them, is unclear about exactly where my line goes and where the main line
goes.

My property is one of 4 attached 2-family duplexes in a row. My proper is
and end-unit duplex and my line appears to go out to the beginning of a
main sewer line rather than tying into a main line that goes in both
directions from where my line ties into it. My proper -- for some unknown
reason -- does not have a curb vent. It is possible that it used to have
a curb vent but the vent is now located under a roadway after the roadway
was widened a long time ago. The other 3 attached properties have curb
vents and appear to tie into the main line in a T-type fashion. The only
maps the town has of where the main lines are pre-date when these
buildings were built, so no main lines are shown on the map. The maps are
from 1937 and the buildings were built after that.

I am not really posting this part to try to get people to figure out where
the main line is, or even to try to figure out what the problem is. I'm
just including that to give an idea that there is something goofy about
the whole setup. That's why I would like to see if I can do some kind of
low-cost video inspection of the line -- assuming that there is some way
for me to do that.

And, yes, there is one tree about 40-feet down the street in front of
another property and above where the main line goes. So, I suspect that
is where the problem is. There are no other trees or bushes in the area.

So, the bottom line question is, does anyone know of any low-cost ways to
do some kind of video inspection of the sewer line? I doubt that there is
any way other than to pay someone to do it, but I thought I'd ask just in
case.



Watch on ebay and try to find a system at a bargain price. Of course, you
won't know how to use it, or what you're looking at when you see it, or what
to look for, but you will save some bucks. Oh, but then, you'd have to
start renting it out to recoup your outlay, or try to sell it for at least
what you got for it, and maybe make a few bucks.

HIRE A PRO, YOU CHEAP *******.

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BetaB4 wrote:
I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the
past 6
weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly what's
going
on. I know one option is to pay someone to come out and do the video
inspection, ...


What makes you think that you can see through sewage? Video is
impractical because first you would have to flush the system with clear
water.

What you want is a sonar probe.


Industry standard is the Ridgid video.

But why? You will still have a clog that has to be fixed.

Try the "roto-router" approach and maybe you'll be lucky
and not have to dig up the whole thing.


A sewer line is rarely filled. The video camera snakes have bright
LED lights on the end. If you get to a point where you can't see
anything, you've found the blockage, right?

R

Apparently, no one has used one of these. On the camera end, they have
nozzles that take high pressure water and spray it onto the walls of the
pipe, like a power sprayer. This flushes goo ahead of the camera, or just
cleans out spots the camera wants to get a better look. If the pipes are
installed correctly, the poop runs downhill, and there's a clear field of
vision. I watched the guy do mine, and I was amazed at the small amount of
fluid in the line. Mine had a root which they snipped. But at the same
time, they will jet the whole line, cleaning off the pipe walls, and leaving
you with a whole lot better system. Of course, they don't do it cheap or
for free, as these machines cost quite a bit, and their time is worth
something, what with the truck, and the insurance, and the licenses, and all
that.

Steve


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Most of the tool rental places here in NE Ohio rent this gear. It's
not cheap, but probably cheaper than hiring a plumber to do it.


Thanks. I took your suggestion and I called all of the tool rental places I
can find in my area. Unfortunately, they all said that they do not have
that type of equipment to rent. Most said it's because the cost of the
equipment itself is so high, and I assume there is not enough demand for it
as a rental for them to recover their costs.


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Why dig if the trouble is tree roots?

just buy some rock salt, mix with hot water in a washtub, and let it
go down the sewer. do before going to work for the day so it can sit
in the line. it will kill the roots buit not the tree, is cheap and
effective.


Thanks. I already have rock salt from this past winter so I'll do that. It
can't hurt. But I still may end up doing the video routine one way or
another so I can see for sure what's going on.


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Try the "roto-router" approach and maybe you'll be lucky
and not have to dig up the whole thing.


I did do the "roto-rooter" routine -- twice. Actually, I paid the plumbing
company that I use to come out twice in two weeks and they cleared it out
both times. After that, I had the town clear it out two more times in about
a 2-week period and that worked both times. It is not presently clogged,
and there is still some uncertainty (according to the town people) about
what may be causing the problem and/or where the problem is located.


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Why dig if the trouble is tree roots?


just buy some rock salt, mix with hot water in a washtub, and let it
go down the sewer. do before going to work for the day so it can sit
in the line. it will kill the roots buit not the tree, is cheap and
effective.


Thanks. *I already have rock salt from this past winter so I'll do that.. *It
can't hurt. *But I still may end up doing the video routine one way or
another so I can see for sure what's going on.


This begs the question, if the rock salt clears up the problem (I'm
giving 2:1 odds it will), how much are you willing to spend to satisfy
your curiosity?

R


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Watch on ebay and try to find a system at a bargain price.


After my original post, I did try going to ebay to see if they were
available for sale, what they cost, etc.


HIRE A PRO, YOU CHEAP *******.


I was surprised to see this type of obnoxious comment from you, 1) because I
don't recall you being that type of poster on this newsgroup in the past,
and, 2) because you don't know me, and you have no idea about who I am or
whether this has anything to do with me trying to be cheap (which it
doesn't).


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I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the past 6
weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly what's going
on. I know one option is to pay someone to come out and do the video
inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly expensive. Does anyone know
of any less expensive ways that I can do this myself? For example, are
there any tool rental places that rent the equipment to do a video
inspection?


I contacted the city after two of four sewer blockages at our condo.
The second time, they came out and ran a camera up from their main sewer
line and up ours. They determined that our line was "in bad shape", but
gave no other details. Right after that, they installed a clean out at
the edge of our property, so that we would, in the future, only have to
go that far to remove obstructions. After that, the condo hired a
plumber to scope it, and I watched while they did it - could see pretty
plainly that the bottom of the cast iron line was gone. One guy fed the
line into the sewer and watched the monitor while the other tracked the
probe, using something that looked like a metal detector and sounded
when it was over the camera....the line has markings for distance, so's
one will know where the blockages are.

My son has an underwater camera for fishing that he raves
about....haven't seen it, don't know how it would work, but here is a
link on some....

http://www.aquavu.com/store/
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I forgot to mention....bug the city to install a clean out at the edge
of your property and make sure that their line is located and clear.
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On Jun 5, 4:45 pm, "BetaB4" wrote:
bob haller wrote:

Why dig if the trouble is tree roots?


just buy some rock salt, mix with hot water in a washtub, and let it
go down the sewer. do before going to work for the day so it can sit
in the line. it will kill the roots buit not the tree, is cheap and
effective.


Thanks. I already have rock salt from this past winter so I'll do
that. It can't hurt. But I still may end up doing the video routine
one way or another so I can see for sure what's going on.


This begs the question, if the rock salt clears up the problem (I'm
giving 2:1 odds it will), how much are you willing to spend to satisfy
your curiosity?


I am not sure about that. I called the plumbing company that I usually use
and they said they don't actually do it themselves, they have an outside
company do it. They gave me the name of the company that they use, but it's
one of those deals where you call the guy and then he calls you back when he
can. I checked out that company's website and I'll probably call them
tomorrow morning and see what they say.

I am trying to get some general information here about my options and
whether there are any relatively inexpensive or creative ways to get a look
at the inside of the pipe on my own.

If the clog returns, my next step will probably be to ask the town if they
have the video equipment and if they will do a visual check of the main line
since they keep having to come out and clear whatever is causing the
blockage. But, if they say they can't or won't do that, then maybe I'll pay
someone to do it. If I could buy the equipment for a couple of hundred
bucks (which I now know I can't), I would probably just buy it and do it on
my own out of curiosity and because I could probaly use the same equipment
in the future. I know that doesn't exactly answer the question, but that's
the basic answer.

Now, what would really be cool would be if there was some computer techie of
doing this kind of like a home-made science experiment. For example, what
if I could buy some type of low-end video camera input device that I could
connect to my laptop computer, and then attach that and an LED light to the
end of the drain snake and take a look. I think that would be cool, but I
guess that's just a dream and not a realistic option even if it would just
be as an experiment.


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On Jun 5, 4:45 pm, "BetaB4" wrote:
bob haller wrote:

Why dig if the trouble is tree roots?

just buy some rock salt, mix with hot water in a washtub, and let it
go down the sewer. do before going to work for the day so it can sit
in the line. it will kill the roots buit not the tree, is cheap and
effective.

Thanks. I already have rock salt from this past winter so I'll do
that. It can't hurt. But I still may end up doing the video routine
one way or another so I can see for sure what's going on.


This begs the question, if the rock salt clears up the problem (I'm
giving 2:1 odds it will), how much are you willing to spend to satisfy
your curiosity?


I am not sure about that. I called the plumbing company that I usually
use and they said they don't actually do it themselves, they have an
outside company do it. They gave me the name of the company that they
use, but it's one of those deals where you call the guy and then he calls
you back when he can. I checked out that company's website and I'll
probably call them tomorrow morning and see what they say.

I am trying to get some general information here about my options and
whether there are any relatively inexpensive or creative ways to get a
look at the inside of the pipe on my own.

If the clog returns, my next step will probably be to ask the town if they
have the video equipment and if they will do a visual check of the main
line since they keep having to come out and clear whatever is causing the
blockage. But, if they say they can't or won't do that, then maybe I'll
pay someone to do it. If I could buy the equipment for a couple of
hundred bucks (which I now know I can't), I would probably just buy it and
do it on my own out of curiosity and because I could probaly use the same
equipment in the future. I know that doesn't exactly answer the question,
but that's the basic answer.

Now, what would really be cool would be if there was some computer techie
of doing this kind of like a home-made science experiment. For example,
what if I could buy some type of low-end video camera input device that I
could connect to my laptop computer, and then attach that and an LED light
to the end of the drain snake and take a look. I think that would be
cool, but I guess that's just a dream and not a realistic option even if
it would just be as an experiment.


did you check harbor freight?




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Now, what would really be cool would be if there was some computer techie of
doing this kind of like a home-made science experiment. *For example, what
if I could buy some type of low-end video camera input device that I could
connect to my laptop computer, and then attach that and an LED light to the
end of the drain snake and take a look. *I think that would be cool, but I
guess that's just a dream and not a realistic option even if it would just
be as an experiment.


Ridgid's SeeSnake Micro is fairly cheap, and it can go up to 30' with
extensions, but the cost of the extensions would probably quintuple
the price and you'd still be 15' short, sounds like.

R
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I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the
past 6 weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly
what's going on. I know one option is to pay someone to come out and
do the video inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly
expensive.


We had a video inspection last year when a sewer line on our property
started taking forever to drain, it cost us $250 and was worth every penny.
Because of the video inspection we didn't have to take the plumber's word
for what was wrong, we could see the collapsed pipe and the tree roots for
ourselves. As they knew exactly what was wrong (and where) they gave us a
fixed-price for the job, no surprises. Since whatever is wrong with your
sewer line is a recurring problem IMO paying two or three hundreds bucks for
a video inspection is money well spent.


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I contacted the city after two of four sewer blockages at our condo.
The second time, they came out and ran a camera up from their main
sewer line and up ours. They determined that our line was "in bad
shape", but gave no other details. Right after that, they installed
a clean out at the edge of our property, so that we would, in the
future, only have to go that far to remove obstructions. After that,
the condo hired a plumber to scope it, and I watched while they did
it - could see pretty plainly that the bottom of the cast iron line
was gone. One guy fed the line into the sewer and watched the
monitor while the other tracked the probe, using something that
looked like a metal detector and sounded when it was over the
camera....the line has markings for distance, so's one will know
where the blockages are.
My son has an underwater camera for fishing that he raves
about....haven't seen it, don't know how it would work, but here is a
link on some....

http://www.aquavu.com/store/

Thanks. That last idea about the fish camera is interesting. I bought a
small aluminum fishing boat about a year ago and it came with a "fish
finder" (not an underwater camera). My nephew thinks the fish finder is
great (even though it is practically worthless at finding fish)l, and he was
talking about how he saw on the Internet that some people use actual
underwater cameras. I'll have to make a trip to the marine supply stores
and take a look and the underwater cameras to see how big they are, how they
work, etc. I have a hunch that the focal length of those cameras wouldn't
work for close-ups like in a sewer pipe, but who knows. What an interesting
idea! Thanks for mentioning it.


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Now, what would really be cool would be if there was some computer
techie of doing this kind of like a home-made science experiment. For
example, what if I could buy some type of low-end video camera
input device that I could connect to my laptop computer, and then
attach that and an LED light to the end of the drain snake and take
a look. I think that would be cool, but I guess that's just a dream
and not a realistic option even if it would just be as an experiment.


did you check harbor freight?


Thanks. I just checked and here's what I found so far:

http://search.harborfreight.com/cpis...mera&Submit=Go



I have a feeling that the next time I have to get a clog cleared out in my
sewer line, they're going to say they found some kind of cheap video camera
in there. :-)




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Ridgid's SeeSnake Micro is fairly cheap, and it can go up to 30' with
extensions, but the cost of the extensions would probably quintuple
the price and you'd still be 15' short, sounds like.


Thanks. I looked it up and here's short video they have that describes it:


http://www.ridgid.com/seesnakemicro/video/


Looks interesting, but you're probably right baout the cost and being
15-feet short etc.


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I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the past
6
weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly what's
going
on. ?I know one option is to pay someone to come out and do the video
inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly expensive. ?Does anyone
know of any less expensive ways that I can do this myself? ?For example,
are there any tool rental places that rent the equipment to do a video
inspection?


The actual situation with the sewer line is a little complicated and
hard
to explain. ?Basically, the line clogs at around 45 feet past where the
sewer line runs out of the house. ?I know this from my own efforts at
trying to unclog it and having a 50-foot snake that hits a clog at
around
45 feet. ?I also had a plumber come out and clear the line twice in a
two-week period, and both times it took about 45 feet of ?drain snake
before they hit and cleared the clog. ?The town's sewer department came
out and cleared the main line twice in two weeks after that, and they
too
agreed that the clog is out there somewhere. ?But everyone, including
them, is unclear about exactly where my line goes and where the main
line
goes.


My property is one of 4 attached 2-family duplexes in a row. ?My proper
is
and end-unit duplex and my line appears to go out to the beginning of a
main sewer line rather than tying into a main line that goes in both
directions from where my line ties into it. ?My proper -- for some
unknown
reason -- ?does not have a curb vent. ?It is possible that it used to
have
a curb vent but the vent is now located under a roadway after the
roadway
was widened a long time ago. ?The other 3 attached properties have curb
vents and appear to tie into the main line in a T-type fashion. ?The
only
maps the town has of where the main lines are pre-date when these
buildings were built, so no main lines are shown on the map. ?The maps
are
from 1937 and the buildings were built after that.


I am not really posting this part to try to get people to figure out
where
the main line is, or even to try to figure out what the problem is. ?I'm
just including that to give an idea that there is something goofy about
the whole setup. ?That's why I would like to see if I can do some kind
of
low-cost video inspection of the line -- assuming that there is some way
for me to do that.


And, yes, there is one tree about 40-feet down the street in front of
another property and above where the main line goes. ?So, I suspect that
is where the problem is. ?There are no other trees or bushes in the
area.


So, the bottom line question is, does anyone know of any low-cost ways
to
do some kind of video inspection of the sewer line? ?I doubt that there
is
any way other than to pay someone to do it, but I thought I'd ask just
in
case.


Whether or not you get to see inside the line, you are likely to need to
locate the line to dig and repair it so I would concentrate on that first.
If it goes under a tree 45 feet out, you do not need a video camera to fix
it.

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Why dig if the trouble is tree roots?

just buy some rock salt, mix with hot water in a washtub, and let it
go down the sewer. do before going to work for the day so it can sit
in the line. it will kill the roots buit not the tree, is cheap and
effective. if you cant find rocksalt softener salt should work too.

ever notice how grass dies if exposed to rocksalt?

I have been doing this for over 10 years and its worked great.

do about 4 times a year, with special attention in spring just before
trees leaf out.

25 pounds of rock salt is really cheap
Not really on topic BUT what would this do in septic system?


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Paul Franklin wrote:

Most of the tool rental places here in NE Ohio rent this gear. It's
not cheap, but probably cheaper than hiring a plumber to do it.


Thanks. I took your suggestion and I called all of the tool rental places
I can find in my area. Unfortunately, they all said that they do not have
that type of equipment to rent. Most said it's because the cost of the
equipment itself is so high, and I assume there is not enough demand for
it as a rental for them to recover their costs.


No. It's because of bozos that don't know how to use the equipment and
screw it up. Ever wonder why MOST rentals don't rent welding equipment? Or
if they do, they have a $5,000 deposit? Home plumbing ain't rocket surgery,
but someone who understands it will ferret out a problem a WHOLE lot faster
than someone who's poking around with rented equipment.

Cleanout? What's a cleanout?

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Watch on ebay and try to find a system at a bargain price.


After my original post, I did try going to ebay to see if they were
available for sale, what they cost, etc.


HIRE A PRO, YOU CHEAP *******.


I was surprised to see this type of obnoxious comment from you, 1) because
I don't recall you being that type of poster on this newsgroup in the
past, and, 2) because you don't know me, and you have no idea about who I
am or whether this has anything to do with me trying to be cheap (which it
doesn't).


You must be new here. I've been here for many years. There are times when
you need to go to a pro and pay the man what he wants. Lawyers, surgeons,
and plumbers come to mind.

YMMV.

Every time I have had a major plumbing problem I couldn't fix, I called the
pros, and every time, they came and fixed it. Every time, it was beyond the
scope of my experience or tools. And every time, I was happy to give the
man a check, and know the problem was solved.

You seem to like the experimentational approach.

Steve


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BetaB4 wrote:

I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the
past 6 weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly
what's going on. I know one option is to pay someone to come out and
do the video inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly
expensive.


We had a video inspection last year when a sewer line on our property
started taking forever to drain, it cost us $250 and was worth every
penny. Because of the video inspection we didn't have to take the
plumber's word for what was wrong, we could see the collapsed pipe and the
tree roots for ourselves. As they knew exactly what was wrong (and where)
they gave us a fixed-price for the job, no surprises. Since whatever is
wrong with your sewer line is a recurring problem IMO paying two or three
hundreds bucks for a video inspection is money well spent.


Very good advice.




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"BetaB4" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:

Watch on ebay and try to find a system at a bargain price.


After my original post, I did try going to ebay to see if they were
available for sale, what they cost, etc.


HIRE A PRO, YOU CHEAP *******.


I was surprised to see this type of obnoxious comment from you, 1)
because I don't recall you being that type of poster on this
newsgroup in the past, and, 2) because you don't know me, and you
have no idea about who I am or whether this has anything to do with
me trying to be cheap (which it doesn't).


You must be new here. I've been here for many years. There are times
when you need to go to a pro and pay the man what he wants. Lawyers,
surgeons, and plumbers come to mind.

YMMV.

Every time I have had a major plumbing problem I couldn't fix, I
called the pros, and every time, they came and fixed it. Every time,
it was beyond the scope of my experience or tools. And every time, I
was happy to give the man a check, and know the problem was solved.

You seem to like the experimentational approach.

Steve


I like your approach (hire a pro). However, the last time I hired a
plumber (the best in town, they said) was for a small leak from the body
of my Moen kitchen faucet. $225 and weeks of futile attempts later, this
newsgroup suggested I call Moen, since there lkely was a known problem
with the faucet (vacuum breaker). I did, was offered a free part, but
took the new faucet for $50 plus 2-day shipping. Plumber had offered to
put in the new faucet if the last "fix" didn't work, and required only
mild prodding by spouse to do so.

After many yearly rotorooter attempts, we finally gave in to the sewer
digger and had the 70 year-old clay sewer pipe replaced by modern
plastic. Plus the town paid to have the lateral fixed. SO far so good.
We'll find out in a few years if this fix was worth our $2900 for the 20
feet or so of pipe.


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I have a sewer line that has been clogging up several times over the
past 6 weeks or so, and I would like to be able to figure out exactly
what's going on. I know one option is to pay someone to come out and
do the video inspection, but I have heard that can be fairly
expensive. Does anyone know of any less expensive ways that I can do
this myself? For example, are there any tool rental places that rent
the equipment to do a video inspection?

The actual situation with the sewer line is a little complicated and
hard to explain. Basically, the line clogs at around 45 feet past
where the sewer line runs out of the house. I know this from my own
efforts at trying to unclog it and having a 50-foot snake that hits a
clog at around 45 feet. I also had a plumber come out and clear the
line twice in a two-week period, and both times it took about 45 feet
of drain snake before they hit and cleared the clog. The town's
sewer department came out and cleared the main line twice in two weeks
after that, and they too agreed that the clog is out there somewhere.
But everyone, including them, is unclear about exactly where my line
goes and where the main line goes.

My property is one of 4 attached 2-family duplexes in a row. My
proper is and end-unit duplex and my line appears to go out to the
beginning of a main sewer line rather than tying into a main line that
goes in both directions from where my line ties into it. My proper --
for some unknown reason -- does not have a curb vent. It is possible
that it used to have a curb vent but the vent is now located under a
roadway after the roadway was widened a long time ago. The other 3
attached properties have curb vents and appear to tie into the main
line in a T-type fashion. The only maps the town has of where the
main lines are pre-date when these buildings were built, so no main
lines are shown on the map. The maps are from 1937 and the buildings
were built after that.

I am not really posting this part to try to get people to figure out
where the main line is, or even to try to figure out what the problem
is. I'm just including that to give an idea that there is something
goofy about the whole setup. That's why I would like to see if I can
do some kind of low-cost video inspection of the line -- assuming that
there is some way for me to do that.

And, yes, there is one tree about 40-feet down the street in front of
another property and above where the main line goes. So, I suspect
that is where the problem is. There are no other trees or bushes in
the area.

So, the bottom line question is, does anyone know of any low-cost ways
to do some kind of video inspection of the sewer line? I doubt that
there is any way other than to pay someone to do it, but I thought I'd
ask just in case.

Find out what company the town uses for sewer work. Ask that company
whether they want to give you an estimate for the costs of your part of
the fix, and whether they can get the town to fix what the town should.

Worked for us, although we stumbled across the company first, promised
them the work, then asked them to see whether the town should fix their
portions.

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SteveB wrote:


Watch on ebay and try to find a system at a bargain price.


After my original post, I did try going to ebay to see if they were
available for sale, what they cost, etc.


HIRE A PRO, YOU CHEAP *******.


I was surprised to see this type of obnoxious comment from you, 1)
because I don't recall you being that type of poster on this
newsgroup in the past, and, 2) because you don't know me, and you
have no idea about who I am or whether this has anything to do with
me trying to be cheap (which it doesn't).


You must be new here. �I've been here for many years. �There are times
when you need to go to a pro and pay the man what he wants. �Lawyers,
surgeons, and plumbers come to mind.


YMMV.


Every time I have had a major plumbing problem I couldn't fix, I
called the pros, and every time, they came and fixed it. �Every time,
it was beyond the scope of my experience or tools. �And every time, I
was happy to give the man a check, and know the problem was solved.


You seem to like the experimentational approach.


Steve


I like your approach (hire a pro). �However, the last time I hired a
plumber (the best in town, they said) was for a small leak from the body
of my Moen kitchen faucet. �$225 and weeks of futile attempts later, this
newsgroup suggested I call Moen, since there lkely was a known problem
with the faucet (vacuum breaker). �I did, was offered a free part, but
took the new faucet for $50 plus 2-day shipping. �Plumber had offered to
put in the new faucet if the last "fix" didn't work, and required only
mild prodding by spouse to do so.

After many yearly rotorooter attempts, we finally gave in to the sewer
digger and had the 70 year-old clay sewer pipe replaced by modern
plastic. �Plus the town paid to have the lateral fixed. �SO far so good. �
We'll find out in a few years if this fix was worth our $2900 for the 20
feet or so of pipe.

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Over 10 years ago plumbers wanted 8 grand to replace the line from
house to street, not including the line under my basement

then there was the cost to replace a retaining wall, driveway, and
sidewalk let alone landscaping.

thats why I went the rock salt route.......

incidently theres a new approach that saves digging.

they clean it out, put like a sock in it, expand and cure with with
very hot water.

leaves a seemless liner and saves digging.

its pricey but depending on depth and what the line is under it might
be worth it.

our line is over 8 feet deep at street.....

and for the OP the tree over the line would have to be cut down, so
add that cost and the loss of a mature tree to the costs......

rock salt is cheap.

but reportedly not good for septic tanks...........

google rock salt & septic tanks.

salt water is heavier than regular water, it drops to the bottom of
the tank stirs the sludge which can clog the drain field.....

a untrained person attempting to use a lage snake runs a big risk, if
the snake breaks off then instant digging and line replacement.....

line must be snaked and roots trimmed before camera inspection
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and for the OP the tree over the line would have to be cut down, so
add that cost and the loss of a mature tree to the costs......

You don't kill the tree, you re-route the line. BTDT.

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and for the OP the tree over the line would have to be cut down, so
add that cost and the loss of a mature tree to the costs......


You don't kill the tree, you re-route the line. BTDT.

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Depends on location of tree, and size of tree. A trees root area is
larger than the drip line outside permiter of branches plus say 25%''

digging too close can kill injur or make the tree unstable in
wind......

plus the line must have enough fall, normally that 1/4 inch per foot

all of these constraints make re routing the line difficult to
impossible in many cases
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"BetaB4" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:

Watch on ebay and try to find a system at a bargain price.

After my original post, I did try going to ebay to see if they were
available for sale, what they cost, etc.


HIRE A PRO, YOU CHEAP *******.

I was surprised to see this type of obnoxious comment from you, 1)
because I don't recall you being that type of poster on this
newsgroup in the past, and, 2) because you don't know me, and you
have no idea about who I am or whether this has anything to do with
me trying to be cheap (which it doesn't).


You must be new here. I've been here for many years. There are times
when you need to go to a pro and pay the man what he wants. Lawyers,
surgeons, and plumbers come to mind.

YMMV.

Every time I have had a major plumbing problem I couldn't fix, I
called the pros, and every time, they came and fixed it. Every time,
it was beyond the scope of my experience or tools. And every time, I
was happy to give the man a check, and know the problem was solved.

You seem to like the experimentational approach.

Steve


I like your approach (hire a pro). However, the last time I hired a
plumber (the best in town, they said) was for a small leak from the body
of my Moen kitchen faucet. $225 and weeks of futile attempts later, this
newsgroup suggested I call Moen, since there lkely was a known problem
with the faucet (vacuum breaker). I did, was offered a free part, but
took the new faucet for $50 plus 2-day shipping. Plumber had offered to
put in the new faucet if the last "fix" didn't work, and required only
mild prodding by spouse to do so.

After many yearly rotorooter attempts, we finally gave in to the sewer
digger and had the 70 year-old clay sewer pipe replaced by modern
plastic. Plus the town paid to have the lateral fixed. SO far so good.
We'll find out in a few years if this fix was worth our $2900 for the 20
feet or so of pipe.


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Best regards
Han
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Like I said ........

I just adjusted the new Moen controls on our new showers. A very simple
thing involving two screws that would have cost at least $100 for a pro to
do. I can install a complete toilet rebuild in about thirty minutes. What
would it cost for a plumber to do that? Know how to let the sand out of the
input valves on my toilet's apparatus. But for the big stuff, unless you're
a plumber, don't risk it.

Steve


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On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:24:22 -0400, "BetaB4" wrote:

RicodJour wrote:
Ridgid's SeeSnake Micro is fairly cheap, and it can go up to 30' with
extensions, but the cost of the extensions would probably quintuple
the price and you'd still be 15' short, sounds like.


Thanks. I looked it up and here's short video they have that describes it:


http://www.ridgid.com/seesnakemicro/video/


Looks interesting, but you're probably right baout the cost and being
15-feet short etc.

Someone flushed their little puppy down the toilet and the fire
department used their camera to find him and help him out.
A little boy was the one who in trying to give the baby puppy a bath
in the toilet, though a good rinse would be the thing to get the soap
out of his fur. Oh Boy!
You didn't loose a puppy down there did you?
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