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Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order
sprinkler outside the building.

We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water
underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some
water.

Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the
water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing
in this type of work?

The building is a 1-story commercial building.

Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:
http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq

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On May 26, 7:56*am, "james" wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order
sprinkler outside the building.

We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water
underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some
water.

Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the
water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing
in this type of work?

The building is a 1-story commercial building.

Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq

How much is your deductable.
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On May 26, 5:56*am, "james" wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order
sprinkler outside the building.

We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water
underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some
water.

Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the
water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing
in this type of work?

The building is a 1-story commercial building.

Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq


How long had the water been sitting?

The water is trapped between the slab & the laminate ....get someone
(you?) after it with a shop vac.

After you get readily vac'd water, prop the vac floor style nozzle in
the "lowest" spot, leave it running and it will draw the water to it.

Set up a couple 20" box fans & also turn up the heat.

Of course there are water damage / flooding cleanup companies but they
charge an arm & a leg...since their typical MO is to screw some
insurance company.

As Ransley mentioned....insurance deductible?

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james wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of
order sprinkler outside the building.

We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still
water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze
out some water.

Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or
would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any
company specializing in this type of work?

The building is a 1-story commercial building.

Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:
http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq


Removing the laminate shouldn't be too hard. Mark the pieces on the back so
you'll know where to replace them.

Depending on the laminate, the water may not bother it at all.


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On May 26, 8:56*am, "james" wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order
sprinkler outside the building.

We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water
underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some
water.

Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the
water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing
in this type of work?

The building is a 1-story commercial building.

Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq


Ouch. You can see that the laminate flooring has swelled up at the
edges in places. That will never lay back down. Those boards will
have to be replaced at the very least. It's probably safe to assume
that more will swell up. The legs of the wood furniture will also
wick up the water ans start swelling or blowing off the finish. You
should never let stuff sit in water. I trust you just took those
pictures as evidence and then proceeded to promptly vacuum up as much
of the water as you could.

Most commercial buildings I have worked on had sealed concrete slabs.
You cannot rely on the concrete absorbing much water. I'd remove all
of the flooring back to where there is no more water in evidence. A
moisture meter would help determine how saturated the laminate and
concrete are, and would tell you when you had removed enough
flooring. Put the furniture up on some plastic blocks. Dry the place
out with fans, dehumidifiers, and/or sweeping compounds. An AC on a
continuous run will extract a lot of moisture. Meticulously clean
everything before anything goes back down. The worst thing you could
do is to put new flooring back down before the place is back to being
bone dry. Once mold starts growing it's a bitch to get rid of it.

You are looking at an insurance claim. You are probably looking at a
number higher than your deductible. Whether you want to make the
claim and risk affecting your premiums will depend on how much higher.

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On May 26, 8:56 am, "james" wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order
sprinkler outside the building.

We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water
underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some
water.

Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the
water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing
in this type of work?

The building is a 1-story commercial building.

Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq


Ouch. You can see that the laminate flooring has swelled up at the
edges in places. That will never lay back down. Those boards will
have to be replaced at the very least. It's probably safe to assume
that more will swell up. The legs of the wood furniture will also
wick up the water ans start swelling or blowing off the finish. You
should never let stuff sit in water. I trust you just took those
pictures as evidence and then proceeded to promptly vacuum up as much
of the water as you could.

Most commercial buildings I have worked on had sealed concrete slabs.
You cannot rely on the concrete absorbing much water. I'd remove all
of the flooring back to where there is no more water in evidence. A
moisture meter would help determine how saturated the laminate and
concrete are, and would tell you when you had removed enough
flooring. Put the furniture up on some plastic blocks. Dry the place
out with fans, dehumidifiers, and/or sweeping compounds. An AC on a
continuous run will extract a lot of moisture. Meticulously clean
everything before anything goes back down. The worst thing you could
do is to put new flooring back down before the place is back to being
bone dry. Once mold starts growing it's a bitch to get rid of it.

You are looking at an insurance claim. You are probably looking at a
number higher than your deductible. Whether you want to make the
claim and risk affecting your premiums will depend on how much higher.

R

Does the floor have the foam underlayment like residential laminate
does? If so, even if it is closed-cell, that is a lot of little pockets
for water to hide in. Can you say mold incubator? Like everyone else
said- call your insurance agent. I take it you own the building? Only
sure cure is rip out, dry out, and replace as needed. ServiceMaster and
similar companies specialize in this kind of work, but at the prices
they usually charge, self-help demo and hiring a flooring company to put
down a new floor, may be about as cheap. Taking stuff out is easy, if
you don't plan on reusing it.

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james wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of
order sprinkler outside the building.

We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water
underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some
water.

Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would
the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company
specializing in this type of work?

The building is a 1-story commercial building.

Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:
http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq


get a commercial dehumidifier in there STAT. might already be too late.

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james wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of
order sprinkler outside the building.

We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water
underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some
water.

Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would
the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company
specializing in this type of work?

The building is a 1-story commercial building.

Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:
http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq


Short of having a prof. mitigation company handle it, I would have
rented a powerful wet vac. ASAP. After that, if still squishy, lay down
old towels and try to squeeze more water to the surface. Then, fans and
dehumidifier.

Not very comparable, but we had a flood in our kitchen, shortly after
redoing cabinets. Afraid the plywood cabinets would bulge from water,
but we got it up fast enough that that was avoided. Particle board
would probably have been worse because it expands and then crumbles.
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 05:56:18 -0700, "james" wrote:

Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order
sprinkler outside the building.

We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water
underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some
water.

Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the
water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing
in this type of work?

The building is a 1-story commercial building.

Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:
http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq


That materials looks exactly what I put in a former office. A floating
material - not terribly expensive. The instruction were to only damp
mop the floor, and to avoid prolonged periods of water at the edges.

Anyway, I would not hire the same installer. Photo 2, enlarged to
"X3Large", bottom of photo shows three rows/courses that are not
staggered. Each of the 3 boards end on the same line.

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Anyway, I would not hire the same installer. Photo 2, enlarged to
"X3Large", bottom of photo shows three rows/courses that are not
staggered. Each of the 3 boards end on the same line.


Excellent catch.




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James,

IMO, it has to come up and be replaced for all the reasons stated by the
other posters. The risk of mold and all that involves is far too great to
make any half-way remediation practical.

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James,

IMO, it has to come up and be replaced for all the reasons stated by the
other posters. The risk of mold and all that involves is far too great to
make any half-way remediation practical.

Colbyt



Good grief! Tear up a floor to prevent mold? How 'bout we wait to see
if it gets moldy? I'd try my damndest to dry it out first. But, then,
I wouldn't have a pretend-wood floor in the first place.
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IMO, *it has to come up and be replaced for all the reasons stated by the
other posters. *The risk of mold and all that involves is far too great to
make any half-way remediation practical.



Good grief! *Tear up a floor to prevent mold? *How 'bout we wait to see
if it gets moldy? *I'd try my damndest to dry it out first. *But, then,
I wouldn't have a pretend-wood floor in the first place.


No, you'd be tearing up the floor to dry it out and replace the warped
boards. While you're in there you investigate the extent of the
flood, the moisture content of the concrete and remaining boards, and
possibly clean the area with TSP or some other mold killer. Anything
else is crossing your fingers and clicking your heels three times.

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Colbyt wrote:


IMO, *it has to come up and be replaced for all the reasons stated by the
other posters. *The risk of mold and all that involves is far too great to
make any half-way remediation practical.


Good grief! *Tear up a floor to prevent mold? *How 'bout we wait to see
if it gets moldy? *I'd try my damndest to dry it out first. *But, then,
I wouldn't have a pretend-wood floor in the first place.


No, you'd be tearing up the floor to dry it out and replace the warped
boards. *While you're in there you investigate the extent of the
flood, the moisture content of the concrete and remaining boards, and
possibly clean the area with TSP or some other mold killer. *Anything
else is crossing your fingers and clicking your heels three times.

R


Things like this is the reason I keep a notebook with tile type paint
colors etc. Replacing this kind of flooring is a pretty easy DIY
project.

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Actually that's the design of the floor. Its a wider plank floor made up of
three board images.

Look out at the "dry" areas were the light hits it, you can see the edges of
the boards puckered up.

But anyway this entire floor is toast. Those edges will never flatten out.
They will dry out eventually but as furniture is moved around it will chip
and look like crap.


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On Tue, 26 May 2009 05:56:18 -0700, "james" wrote:

Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order
sprinkler outside the building.

We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water
underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some
water.

Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the
water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing
in this type of work?

The building is a 1-story commercial building.

Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:
http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq


That materials looks exactly what I put in a former office. A floating
material - not terribly expensive. The instruction were to only damp
mop the floor, and to avoid prolonged periods of water at the edges.

Anyway, I would not hire the same installer. Photo 2, enlarged to
"X3Large", bottom of photo shows three rows/courses that are not
staggered. Each of the 3 boards end on the same line.

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Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order
sprinkler outside the building.

We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water
underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some
water.

Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the
water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing
in this type of work?

The building is a 1-story commercial building.

Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:
http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq


Who owns the sprinkler? If you are a tenant and another tenant or the
building owner caused the damage, they have liability.

Given the amount of water, my guess is the floor is pretty well toast at
this point. If the boards show any signs of selling, they are never going
to fit again. If the water was a puddle in one spot, it may not be a big
deal, bug given the saturation, water is probably between the wood and the
plastic membrane and the plastic and the floor. It could take months to dry
out. The cost of taking it up, drying, replacing, may be near the cost of a
new floor.



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On May 26, 10:16*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"james" wrote in ...
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order
sprinkler outside the building.


We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water
underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some
water.


Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the
water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing
in this type of work?


The building is a 1-story commercial building.


Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:
http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq


Who owns the sprinkler? *If you are a tenant and another tenant or the
building owner caused the damage, they have liability.

Given the amount of water, my guess is the floor is pretty well toast at
this point. *If the boards show any signs of selling, they are never going
to fit again. If the water was a puddle in one spot, it may not be a big
deal, bug given the saturation, water is probably between the wood and the
plastic membrane and the plastic and the floor. *It could take months to dry
out. *The cost of taking it up, drying, replacing, may be near the cost of a
new floor.


If someone wanted me to take it up carefully, dry it and replace it,
I'd charge double a new floor at least.

People are talking about drying out the laminate flooring. You can
reduce the moisture content, but how are you going to eliminate the
swelling? It can't be done without heat and pressure that is most
certainly not within a DIY or even committed contractor's
capabilities. Even if it were, it's not worth it for laminate
flooring.

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On May 26, 9:36*pm, JIMMIE wrote:

Things like this is the reason I keep a notebook with tile type paint
colors etc. Replacing this kind of flooring is a pretty easy DIY
project.


Yeah, the OP's floor looked fairly new, and it didn't seem to be
anything exotic, so he might luck out and find it's still available.

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No, you'd be tearing up the floor to dry it out and replace the warped
boards. While you're in there you investigate the extent of the
flood, the moisture content of the concrete and remaining boards, and
possibly clean the area with TSP or some other mold killer. Anything
else is crossing your fingers and clicking your heels three times.


With "cheap" laminate, there won't be any "warped" boards. The stuff is
(mostly) plastic or similar.


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On May 27, 12:18*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
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No, you'd be tearing up the floor to dry it out and replace the warped
boards. *While you're in there you investigate the extent of the
flood, the moisture content of the concrete and remaining boards, and
possibly clean the area with TSP or some other mold killer. *Anything
else is crossing your fingers and clicking your heels three times.


With "cheap" laminate, there won't be any "warped" boards. The stuff is
(mostly) plastic or similar.


As already noted, you can see the swollen edges of the board.
Mostly plastic doesn't mean it has no wood. If it has wood, it will
swell when the water hits the wood.

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On May 27, 12:18 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote:

No, you'd be tearing up the floor to dry it out and replace the
warped boards. While you're in there you investigate the extent of
the flood, the moisture content of the concrete and remaining
boards, and possibly clean the area with TSP or some other mold
killer. Anything else is crossing your fingers and clicking your
heels three times.


With "cheap" laminate, there won't be any "warped" boards. The stuff
is (mostly) plastic or similar.


As already noted, you can see the swollen edges of the board.
Mostly plastic doesn't mean it has no wood. If it has wood, it will
swell when the water hits the wood.


Ah, yes. I see. He used the expensive stuff. But, if the wood's purpose is
as a filler, water might not affect it. If, for example, the company mixed
wood dust with the plasticizer, the result wouldn't be particularily
vulnerable to water.


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On May 27, 9:59*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote:
On May 27, 12:18 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote:


No, you'd be tearing up the floor to dry it out and replace the
warped boards. While you're in there you investigate the extent of
the flood, the moisture content of the concrete and remaining
boards, and possibly clean the area with TSP or some other mold
killer. Anything else is crossing your fingers and clicking your
heels three times.


With "cheap" laminate, there won't be any "warped" boards. The stuff
is (mostly) plastic or similar.


As already noted, you can see the swollen edges of the board.
Mostly plastic doesn't mean it has no wood. *If it has wood, it will
swell when the water hits the wood.


Ah, yes. I see. He used the expensive stuff. But, if the wood's purpose is
as a filler, water might not affect it. If, for example, the company mixed
wood dust with the plasticizer, the result wouldn't be particularily
vulnerable to water.


The edges have clearly swollen in the pictures. Discussing
theoretical situations is pointless.

I also don't understand your comment about the relative cost being
dependent on whether it has wood fiber in the product. The cheapest
stuff out there has wood fiber in it.

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RicodJour wrote:

The edges have clearly swollen in the pictures. Discussing
theoretical situations is pointless.

I also don't understand your comment about the relative cost being
dependent on whether it has wood fiber in the product. The cheapest
stuff out there has wood fiber in it.


I was trying to distinguish between real, solid wood (the expensive stuff),
and the faux wood made of sawdust and plasticizer.

There're at least two kinds of laminate: Solid (or veneer) wood with an
indestructible finish and some composite material covered with (essentially)
wallpaper, then coated with the bullet-proof stuff.


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Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order
sprinkler outside the building.

We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water
underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some
water.

Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the
water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing
in this type of work?

The building is a 1-story commercial building.

Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:
http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq


What does your insurer say and what does the manufacturer say?


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hi i have semae thing in my bedroom and lifting up slightly and see huge
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what is a shop vac


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OP is better off just replacing the laminate flooring.

if theres ANY CHANCE this may occur again replace the laminatewith something much more durable, thats not bothered by water

polished concrete is near indestructible, and fairly cheap. terrazo last forever expensive but just about indestructible

theres ceramic tile that looks like wood. more expensive than laminate, but lasts near forever.

some vinyl tile is extremely durable, and looks good

theres a wide variety of alternatives

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OP is better off just replacing the laminate flooring.

if theres ANY CHANCE this may occur again replace the laminatewith something much more durable, thats not bothered by water

polished concrete is near indestructible, and fairly cheap. terrazo last forever expensive but just about indestructible

theres ceramic tile that looks like wood. more expensive than laminate, but lasts near forever.

some vinyl tile is extremely durable, and looks good

theres a wide variety of alternatives


I like sheet vinyl linoleum -- no leaking through there -- except when
you roll a chair while sitting on it, it tends to separate the top
layer with the pattern from the layer underneath. Maybe that's less
likely with better quality, and maybe impossible if the pattern goes
all the way through, but they don't sell Congoleum anymore.
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replying to RicodJour, Stormsnomore wrote:
I am experiencing this situation with water due to a severe storm in our area
with torrents or wind and rain. Due to past storms in our state, many
insurance company's went under leaving us with state funded insurance, with
only helps us in catastrophic events. So no help with our floor. They said our
home was just deteriorating through normal aging thus the reason for
occasional water from certain weather related conditions. Don't assume
everyone can make an insurance claim. Fortunately the leak was very minimal no
visible swelling in the affected corner. But getting to it would mean removing
a very large area. Just put it down 3 months prior.

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replying to Stormsnomore, passerby wrote:
If the swelling is not visible (or minimal), and at least a few hours have
passed, then there is no reason to even touch it. If it were to swell, it
would have done so already. Once it swells, there's nothing you can do except
replace - it will stay warped even after it dries. That said, it is hard to
say which way the water goes between underlayment and the planks. If it's very
recent, and I mean just a couple hours ago, you may still see some more
swelling elsewhere. Not much you can do about it but wait until the event is
over, then assess the damage and replace what's damaged.

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After 7 years, the OP has probably figured out what to do.
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replying to norminn, Njs wrote:
'I wouldnt jave a pretend wood floor' what a ****ish response.

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replying to RicodJour, Patty wrote:
The problem with the insurance claim is this: once you put in a claim, your
insurance goes up for three or five years, and if you want to switch
insurance, they can see your claim and the price will be higher. Happ Ned to
us in NJ.

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replying to Njs, tony wrote:
Ya, wonder what he thinks would happen with real wood? same ****!

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replying to james, DryTech Restoration Services wrote:
Yes remove the affected floor especially if there is a moisture barrier or pad

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