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How to dry flooded laminate floor?
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order
sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor: http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq |
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On May 26, 7:56*am, "james" wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq How much is your deductable. |
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On May 26, 5:56*am, "james" wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq How long had the water been sitting? The water is trapped between the slab & the laminate ....get someone (you?) after it with a shop vac. After you get readily vac'd water, prop the vac floor style nozzle in the "lowest" spot, leave it running and it will draw the water to it. Set up a couple 20" box fans & also turn up the heat. Of course there are water damage / flooding cleanup companies but they charge an arm & a leg...since their typical MO is to screw some insurance company. As Ransley mentioned....insurance deductible? cheers Bob |
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How to dry flooded laminate floor?
james wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor: http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq Removing the laminate shouldn't be too hard. Mark the pieces on the back so you'll know where to replace them. Depending on the laminate, the water may not bother it at all. |
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On May 26, 8:56*am, "james" wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq Ouch. You can see that the laminate flooring has swelled up at the edges in places. That will never lay back down. Those boards will have to be replaced at the very least. It's probably safe to assume that more will swell up. The legs of the wood furniture will also wick up the water ans start swelling or blowing off the finish. You should never let stuff sit in water. I trust you just took those pictures as evidence and then proceeded to promptly vacuum up as much of the water as you could. Most commercial buildings I have worked on had sealed concrete slabs. You cannot rely on the concrete absorbing much water. I'd remove all of the flooring back to where there is no more water in evidence. A moisture meter would help determine how saturated the laminate and concrete are, and would tell you when you had removed enough flooring. Put the furniture up on some plastic blocks. Dry the place out with fans, dehumidifiers, and/or sweeping compounds. An AC on a continuous run will extract a lot of moisture. Meticulously clean everything before anything goes back down. The worst thing you could do is to put new flooring back down before the place is back to being bone dry. Once mold starts growing it's a bitch to get rid of it. You are looking at an insurance claim. You are probably looking at a number higher than your deductible. Whether you want to make the claim and risk affecting your premiums will depend on how much higher. R |
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RicodJour wrote:
On May 26, 8:56 am, "james" wrote: Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor:http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq Ouch. You can see that the laminate flooring has swelled up at the edges in places. That will never lay back down. Those boards will have to be replaced at the very least. It's probably safe to assume that more will swell up. The legs of the wood furniture will also wick up the water ans start swelling or blowing off the finish. You should never let stuff sit in water. I trust you just took those pictures as evidence and then proceeded to promptly vacuum up as much of the water as you could. Most commercial buildings I have worked on had sealed concrete slabs. You cannot rely on the concrete absorbing much water. I'd remove all of the flooring back to where there is no more water in evidence. A moisture meter would help determine how saturated the laminate and concrete are, and would tell you when you had removed enough flooring. Put the furniture up on some plastic blocks. Dry the place out with fans, dehumidifiers, and/or sweeping compounds. An AC on a continuous run will extract a lot of moisture. Meticulously clean everything before anything goes back down. The worst thing you could do is to put new flooring back down before the place is back to being bone dry. Once mold starts growing it's a bitch to get rid of it. You are looking at an insurance claim. You are probably looking at a number higher than your deductible. Whether you want to make the claim and risk affecting your premiums will depend on how much higher. R Does the floor have the foam underlayment like residential laminate does? If so, even if it is closed-cell, that is a lot of little pockets for water to hide in. Can you say mold incubator? Like everyone else said- call your insurance agent. I take it you own the building? Only sure cure is rip out, dry out, and replace as needed. ServiceMaster and similar companies specialize in this kind of work, but at the prices they usually charge, self-help demo and hiring a flooring company to put down a new floor, may be about as cheap. Taking stuff out is easy, if you don't plan on reusing it. -- aem sends... |
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james wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor: http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq get a commercial dehumidifier in there STAT. might already be too late. nate -- replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel |
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james wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor: http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq Short of having a prof. mitigation company handle it, I would have rented a powerful wet vac. ASAP. After that, if still squishy, lay down old towels and try to squeeze more water to the surface. Then, fans and dehumidifier. Not very comparable, but we had a flood in our kitchen, shortly after redoing cabinets. Afraid the plywood cabinets would bulge from water, but we got it up fast enough that that was avoided. Particle board would probably have been worse because it expands and then crumbles. |
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On Tue, 26 May 2009 05:56:18 -0700, "james" wrote:
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor: http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq That materials looks exactly what I put in a former office. A floating material - not terribly expensive. The instruction were to only damp mop the floor, and to avoid prolonged periods of water at the edges. Anyway, I would not hire the same installer. Photo 2, enlarged to "X3Large", bottom of photo shows three rows/courses that are not staggered. Each of the 3 boards end on the same line. 4 cents worth now days |
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"Oren" wrote in message ... Anyway, I would not hire the same installer. Photo 2, enlarged to "X3Large", bottom of photo shows three rows/courses that are not staggered. Each of the 3 boards end on the same line. Excellent catch. |
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James,
IMO, it has to come up and be replaced for all the reasons stated by the other posters. The risk of mold and all that involves is far too great to make any half-way remediation practical. Colbyt |
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Colbyt wrote:
James, IMO, it has to come up and be replaced for all the reasons stated by the other posters. The risk of mold and all that involves is far too great to make any half-way remediation practical. Colbyt Good grief! Tear up a floor to prevent mold? How 'bout we wait to see if it gets moldy? I'd try my damndest to dry it out first. But, then, I wouldn't have a pretend-wood floor in the first place. |
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On May 26, 8:19*pm, "
wrote: Colbyt wrote: IMO, *it has to come up and be replaced for all the reasons stated by the other posters. *The risk of mold and all that involves is far too great to make any half-way remediation practical. Good grief! *Tear up a floor to prevent mold? *How 'bout we wait to see if it gets moldy? *I'd try my damndest to dry it out first. *But, then, I wouldn't have a pretend-wood floor in the first place. No, you'd be tearing up the floor to dry it out and replace the warped boards. While you're in there you investigate the extent of the flood, the moisture content of the concrete and remaining boards, and possibly clean the area with TSP or some other mold killer. Anything else is crossing your fingers and clicking your heels three times. R |
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On May 26, 9:00*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On May 26, 8:19*pm, " wrote: Colbyt wrote: IMO, *it has to come up and be replaced for all the reasons stated by the other posters. *The risk of mold and all that involves is far too great to make any half-way remediation practical. Good grief! *Tear up a floor to prevent mold? *How 'bout we wait to see if it gets moldy? *I'd try my damndest to dry it out first. *But, then, I wouldn't have a pretend-wood floor in the first place. No, you'd be tearing up the floor to dry it out and replace the warped boards. *While you're in there you investigate the extent of the flood, the moisture content of the concrete and remaining boards, and possibly clean the area with TSP or some other mold killer. *Anything else is crossing your fingers and clicking your heels three times. R Things like this is the reason I keep a notebook with tile type paint colors etc. Replacing this kind of flooring is a pretty easy DIY project. Jimmie |
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Actually that's the design of the floor. Its a wider plank floor made up of
three board images. Look out at the "dry" areas were the light hits it, you can see the edges of the boards puckered up. But anyway this entire floor is toast. Those edges will never flatten out. They will dry out eventually but as furniture is moved around it will chip and look like crap. "Oren" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 May 2009 05:56:18 -0700, "james" wrote: Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor: http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq That materials looks exactly what I put in a former office. A floating material - not terribly expensive. The instruction were to only damp mop the floor, and to avoid prolonged periods of water at the edges. Anyway, I would not hire the same installer. Photo 2, enlarged to "X3Large", bottom of photo shows three rows/courses that are not staggered. Each of the 3 boards end on the same line. 4 cents worth now days |
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"james" wrote in message ... Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor: http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq Who owns the sprinkler? If you are a tenant and another tenant or the building owner caused the damage, they have liability. Given the amount of water, my guess is the floor is pretty well toast at this point. If the boards show any signs of selling, they are never going to fit again. If the water was a puddle in one spot, it may not be a big deal, bug given the saturation, water is probably between the wood and the plastic membrane and the plastic and the floor. It could take months to dry out. The cost of taking it up, drying, replacing, may be near the cost of a new floor. |
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On May 26, 10:16*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"james" wrote in ... Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor: http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq Who owns the sprinkler? *If you are a tenant and another tenant or the building owner caused the damage, they have liability. Given the amount of water, my guess is the floor is pretty well toast at this point. *If the boards show any signs of selling, they are never going to fit again. If the water was a puddle in one spot, it may not be a big deal, bug given the saturation, water is probably between the wood and the plastic membrane and the plastic and the floor. *It could take months to dry out. *The cost of taking it up, drying, replacing, may be near the cost of a new floor. If someone wanted me to take it up carefully, dry it and replace it, I'd charge double a new floor at least. People are talking about drying out the laminate flooring. You can reduce the moisture content, but how are you going to eliminate the swelling? It can't be done without heat and pressure that is most certainly not within a DIY or even committed contractor's capabilities. Even if it were, it's not worth it for laminate flooring. R |
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On May 26, 9:36*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
Things like this is the reason I keep a notebook with tile type paint colors etc. Replacing this kind of flooring is a pretty easy DIY project. Yeah, the OP's floor looked fairly new, and it didn't seem to be anything exotic, so he might luck out and find it's still available. R |
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RicodJour wrote:
No, you'd be tearing up the floor to dry it out and replace the warped boards. While you're in there you investigate the extent of the flood, the moisture content of the concrete and remaining boards, and possibly clean the area with TSP or some other mold killer. Anything else is crossing your fingers and clicking your heels three times. With "cheap" laminate, there won't be any "warped" boards. The stuff is (mostly) plastic or similar. |
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On May 27, 12:18*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote: No, you'd be tearing up the floor to dry it out and replace the warped boards. *While you're in there you investigate the extent of the flood, the moisture content of the concrete and remaining boards, and possibly clean the area with TSP or some other mold killer. *Anything else is crossing your fingers and clicking your heels three times. With "cheap" laminate, there won't be any "warped" boards. The stuff is (mostly) plastic or similar. As already noted, you can see the swollen edges of the board. Mostly plastic doesn't mean it has no wood. If it has wood, it will swell when the water hits the wood. R |
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RicodJour wrote:
On May 27, 12:18 pm, "HeyBub" wrote: RicodJour wrote: No, you'd be tearing up the floor to dry it out and replace the warped boards. While you're in there you investigate the extent of the flood, the moisture content of the concrete and remaining boards, and possibly clean the area with TSP or some other mold killer. Anything else is crossing your fingers and clicking your heels three times. With "cheap" laminate, there won't be any "warped" boards. The stuff is (mostly) plastic or similar. As already noted, you can see the swollen edges of the board. Mostly plastic doesn't mean it has no wood. If it has wood, it will swell when the water hits the wood. Ah, yes. I see. He used the expensive stuff. But, if the wood's purpose is as a filler, water might not affect it. If, for example, the company mixed wood dust with the plasticizer, the result wouldn't be particularily vulnerable to water. |
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On May 27, 9:59*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
RicodJour wrote: On May 27, 12:18 pm, "HeyBub" wrote: RicodJour wrote: No, you'd be tearing up the floor to dry it out and replace the warped boards. While you're in there you investigate the extent of the flood, the moisture content of the concrete and remaining boards, and possibly clean the area with TSP or some other mold killer. Anything else is crossing your fingers and clicking your heels three times. With "cheap" laminate, there won't be any "warped" boards. The stuff is (mostly) plastic or similar. As already noted, you can see the swollen edges of the board. Mostly plastic doesn't mean it has no wood. *If it has wood, it will swell when the water hits the wood. Ah, yes. I see. He used the expensive stuff. But, if the wood's purpose is as a filler, water might not affect it. If, for example, the company mixed wood dust with the plasticizer, the result wouldn't be particularily vulnerable to water. The edges have clearly swollen in the pictures. Discussing theoretical situations is pointless. I also don't understand your comment about the relative cost being dependent on whether it has wood fiber in the product. The cheapest stuff out there has wood fiber in it. R |
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RicodJour wrote:
The edges have clearly swollen in the pictures. Discussing theoretical situations is pointless. I also don't understand your comment about the relative cost being dependent on whether it has wood fiber in the product. The cheapest stuff out there has wood fiber in it. I was trying to distinguish between real, solid wood (the expensive stuff), and the faux wood made of sawdust and plasticizer. There're at least two kinds of laminate: Solid (or veneer) wood with an indestructible finish and some composite material covered with (essentially) wallpaper, then coated with the bullet-proof stuff. |
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"james" wrote in message ...
Our office with laminate flooring was slightly flooded by an out of order sprinkler outside the building. We have mopped off the water on the floor. However, there is still water underneath the floor. Stepping on certain areas would squeeze out some water. Do we have to tear out the whole floor to remove those water, or would the water drain down through the foundation? Is there any company specializing in this type of work? The building is a 1-story commercial building. Here are some photos showing the water on the floor: http://photographs.smugmug.com/galle...46490040_VYoRq What does your insurer say and what does the manufacturer say? |
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replying to fftt, JANINE price wrote:
hi i have semae thing in my bedroom and lifting up slightly and see huge bubbles under it what is a shop vac -- posted from http://www.homeownershub.com/mainten...or-375305-.htm |
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:44:01 +0000, JANINE price
wrote: what is a shop vac A registered Trademark? |
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Oren posted for all of us...
On Sun, 03 Jul 2016 14:44:01 +0000, JANINE price wrote: what is a shop vac A registered Trademark? That sucks! -- Tekkie |
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OP is better off just replacing the laminate flooring.
if theres ANY CHANCE this may occur again replace the laminatewith something much more durable, thats not bothered by water polished concrete is near indestructible, and fairly cheap. terrazo last forever expensive but just about indestructible theres ceramic tile that looks like wood. more expensive than laminate, but lasts near forever. some vinyl tile is extremely durable, and looks good theres a wide variety of alternatives |
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On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:41:04 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote: OP is better off just replacing the laminate flooring. if theres ANY CHANCE this may occur again replace the laminatewith something much more durable, thats not bothered by water polished concrete is near indestructible, and fairly cheap. terrazo last forever expensive but just about indestructible theres ceramic tile that looks like wood. more expensive than laminate, but lasts near forever. some vinyl tile is extremely durable, and looks good theres a wide variety of alternatives I like sheet vinyl linoleum -- no leaking through there -- except when you roll a chair while sitting on it, it tends to separate the top layer with the pattern from the layer underneath. Maybe that's less likely with better quality, and maybe impossible if the pattern goes all the way through, but they don't sell Congoleum anymore. |
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replying to RicodJour, Stormsnomore wrote:
I am experiencing this situation with water due to a severe storm in our area with torrents or wind and rain. Due to past storms in our state, many insurance company's went under leaving us with state funded insurance, with only helps us in catastrophic events. So no help with our floor. They said our home was just deteriorating through normal aging thus the reason for occasional water from certain weather related conditions. Don't assume everyone can make an insurance claim. Fortunately the leak was very minimal no visible swelling in the affected corner. But getting to it would mean removing a very large area. Just put it down 3 months prior. -- for full context, visit http://www.homeownershub.com/mainten...or-375305-.htm |
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replying to Stormsnomore, passerby wrote:
If the swelling is not visible (or minimal), and at least a few hours have passed, then there is no reason to even touch it. If it were to swell, it would have done so already. Once it swells, there's nothing you can do except replace - it will stay warped even after it dries. That said, it is hard to say which way the water goes between underlayment and the planks. If it's very recent, and I mean just a couple hours ago, you may still see some more swelling elsewhere. Not much you can do about it but wait until the event is over, then assess the damage and replace what's damaged. -- for full context, visit http://www.homeownershub.com/mainten...or-375305-.htm |
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After 7 years, the OP has probably figured out what to do.
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replying to norminn, Njs wrote:
'I wouldnt jave a pretend wood floor' what a ****ish response. -- for full context, visit http://www.homeownershub.com/mainten...or-375305-.htm |
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replying to RicodJour, Patty wrote:
The problem with the insurance claim is this: once you put in a claim, your insurance goes up for three or five years, and if you want to switch insurance, they can see your claim and the price will be higher. Happ Ned to us in NJ. -- for full context, visit http://www.homeownershub.com/mainten...or-375305-.htm |
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replying to Njs, tony wrote:
Ya, wonder what he thinks would happen with real wood? same ****! -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...or-375305-.htm |
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replying to james, DryTech Restoration Services wrote:
Yes remove the affected floor especially if there is a moisture barrier or pad -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...or-375305-.htm |
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