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Mine is a Frigidaire 6000 series [affinity], but while searching for a
cure it appears that they all suffer from the same flaw.

We've had ours for a couple years now & yesterday I got an E20 error &
it wasn't draining. E20 isn't in the manual so I googled and found
this thread-
http://www.fixya.com/support/t178452...sher_ltf600es1

OK- although I don't understand it, apparently there is some design
thing that makes front loaders suck change, credit cards, socks, and
color catchers past the drum. The manufacturers know this and put
a change catcher before the impeller.

Then they bury it in the damn machine!
[I wanted to capitalize that and use 40 exclamation points but I'm
tired]

Here's the process to get to mine;
Take out soap tray.
2 screws on back of top- and slide back.
5 screws & 3 clips on console, and fold out of way.
pull spring clip off boot and release boot.
8 screws to loosen front panel
2 screws on door latch- and a clip to release wires.

Then the hose clamps- one screw and one spring- to open the drain
hose.

I did it myself in 1 hour- but many folks would be paying a plumber
for a job they should be able to do in 10 minutes.

Anybody want a nice 2yr old Affinity set in almond?

Jim
BTW- I had $2.91, an earring and 2 color catchers in mine.

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"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
...
Mine is a Frigidaire 6000 series [affinity], but while searching for a
cure it appears that they all suffer from the same flaw.

We've had ours for a couple years now & yesterday I got an E20 error &
it wasn't draining. E20 isn't in the manual so I googled and found
this thread-
http://www.fixya.com/support/t178452...sher_ltf600es1

OK- although I don't understand it, apparently there is some design
thing that makes front loaders suck change, credit cards, socks, and
color catchers past the drum. The manufacturers know this and put
a change catcher before the impeller.

Then they bury it in the damn machine!
[I wanted to capitalize that and use 40 exclamation points but I'm
tired]

Here's the process to get to mine;
Take out soap tray.
2 screws on back of top- and slide back.
5 screws & 3 clips on console, and fold out of way.
pull spring clip off boot and release boot.
8 screws to loosen front panel
2 screws on door latch- and a clip to release wires.

Then the hose clamps- one screw and one spring- to open the drain
hose.

I did it myself in 1 hour- but many folks would be paying a plumber
for a job they should be able to do in 10 minutes.

Anybody want a nice 2yr old Affinity set in almond?

Jim
BTW- I had $2.91, an earring and 2 color catchers in mine.


What's a color catcher?

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On May 19, 9:24*am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message

BTW- I had $2.91, an earring and 2 color catchers in mine.

What's a color catcher?


It's a sheet you can put in the washing machine that is supposed to
attract any excess dye given off by new clothes so it will not deposit
on the other items being washed.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


What's a color catcher?

"Color Catcher sheets are dye-trapping cloths that you throw in with a load
of laundry to absorb and trap the loose dyes that can stain your clothes.
The sheets allow you to mix more colors in a single laundry load while
helping to whiten your whites and keep other colors vivid.

"The sheets themselves measure just over 7 inches by just under 7 inches and
are a bit thicker than your average dryer sheet. They have a pleasant scent
as well. Out of the box they are white, but after you do a load of laundry
they soak up the dye so mine usually end up pink or a dingy blue-gray
(depending upon the colors of the clothes I washed)."

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on 5/19/2009 10:20 AM (ET) Jim Elbrecht wrote the following:
Mine is a Frigidaire 6000 series [affinity], but while searching for a
cure it appears that they all suffer from the same flaw.

We've had ours for a couple years now & yesterday I got an E20 error &
it wasn't draining. E20 isn't in the manual so I googled and found
this thread-
http://www.fixya.com/support/t178452...sher_ltf600es1

OK- although I don't understand it, apparently there is some design
thing that makes front loaders suck change, credit cards, socks, and
color catchers past the drum. The manufacturers know this and put
a change catcher before the impeller.

Then they bury it in the damn machine!
[I wanted to capitalize that and use 40 exclamation points but I'm
tired]

Here's the process to get to mine;
Take out soap tray.
2 screws on back of top- and slide back.
5 screws & 3 clips on console, and fold out of way.
pull spring clip off boot and release boot.
8 screws to loosen front panel
2 screws on door latch- and a clip to release wires.

Then the hose clamps- one screw and one spring- to open the drain
hose.

I did it myself in 1 hour- but many folks would be paying a plumber
for a job they should be able to do in 10 minutes.

Anybody want a nice 2yr old Affinity set in almond?

Jim
BTW- I had $2.91, an earring and 2 color catchers in mine.


Why can't they have something as simple and as accessible as a screen to
catch the coins, etc., similar to the dryer lint screen?

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

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wrote in message
...
On May 19, 9:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message

BTW- I had $2.91, an earring and 2 color catchers in mine.

What's a color catcher?


It's a sheet you can put in the washing machine that is supposed to
attract any excess dye given off by new clothes so it will not deposit
on the other items being washed.
=================


That's strange. Why not just wash new stuff separately a couple of times? I
do this, and I've never had a problem with bleeding colors.

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"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
...
Mine is a Frigidaire 6000 series [affinity], but while searching for a
cure it appears that they all suffer from the same flaw.

We've had ours for a couple years now & yesterday I got an E20 error &
it wasn't draining. E20 isn't in the manual so I googled and found
this thread-
http://www.fixya.com/support/t178452...sher_ltf600es1

OK- although I don't understand it, apparently there is some design
thing that makes front loaders suck change, credit cards, socks, and
color catchers past the drum. The manufacturers know this and put
a change catcher before the impeller.


Is it possible to remove change and other stuff from pockets? And how about
buying one or two of those large zippered mesh bags and putting socks in
there?

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On May 19, 9:40*am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
wrote in message

...
On May 19, 9:24 am, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message

BTW- I had $2.91, an earring and 2 color catchers in mine.

What's a color catcher?

It's a sheet you can put in the washing machine that is supposed to
attract any excess dye given off by new clothes so it will not deposit
on the other items being washed.
=================

That's strange. Why not just wash new stuff separately a couple of times? I
do this, and I've never had a problem with bleeding colors.



I do the same thing. Or a cup of regular table salt dissolved in a
bucket of cold water and the item placed in it to soak overnight is
very good for setting strong bleedable colors. If I still have my
doubts that a red t shirt will bleed it goes in with other red things
or it gets tossed in the washer with black items. Problem solved and
no money spent on another laundry 'helper.'

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On May 19, 7:36*am, willshak wrote:


Why can't they have something as simple and as accessible as a screen to
catch the coins, etc., similar to the dryer lint screen?


Mine (think it's an LG, don't see very much of it) does. 4 x 6 inch
hinged door at bottom left front of machine, open door, unscrew trap,
pull out, clean out, screw back in, close door, 2 minutes tops.

Jerry

another reason *not* to buy a front loading washer
 

"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
...
Mine is a Frigidaire 6000 series [affinity], but while searching for a
cure it appears that they all suffer from the same flaw.

We've had ours for a couple years now & yesterday I got an E20 error &
it wasn't draining. E20 isn't in the manual so I googled and found
this thread-
http://www.fixya.com/support/t178452...sher_ltf600es1

OK- although I don't understand it, apparently there is some design
thing that makes front loaders suck change, credit cards, socks, and
color catchers past the drum. The manufacturers know this and put
a change catcher before the impeller.

Then they bury it in the damn machine!
[I wanted to capitalize that and use 40 exclamation points but I'm
tired]

Here's the process to get to mine;
Take out soap tray.
2 screws on back of top- and slide back.
5 screws & 3 clips on console, and fold out of way.
pull spring clip off boot and release boot.
8 screws to loosen front panel
2 screws on door latch- and a clip to release wires.

Then the hose clamps- one screw and one spring- to open the drain
hose.

I did it myself in 1 hour- but many folks would be paying a plumber
for a job they should be able to do in 10 minutes.

Anybody want a nice 2yr old Affinity set in almond?

Jim
BTW- I had $2.91, an earring and 2 color catchers in mine.

FWIW: I've used a Whirlpool Duet for over 6 years now with no problem. My
wife is always leaving stuff in her pockets.

od

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JerryM wrote:

On May 19, 7:36*am, willshak wrote:


Why can't they have something as simple and as accessible as a screen to
catch the coins, etc., similar to the dryer lint screen?


Mine (think it's an LG, don't see very much of it) does. 4 x 6 inch
hinged door at bottom left front of machine, open door, unscrew trap,
pull out, clean out, screw back in, close door, 2 minutes tops.

Kudos to LG-- [look next time you walk buy in case we're crediting
the wrong company]

At least they made an allowance for it. I still can't see where
things get past the drum.

Jim

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Why can't they have something as simple and as accessible as a screen to
catch the coins, etc., similar to the dryer lint screen?

Why cant the lazy "washer loader" CHECK THE POCKETS before adding clothes
to the machine ?

If not, they can keep repeating the 8?step process..maybe look at it like
the NASCAR "Pit CREW" challenge:

Get the tools ready, Set a timer, and GO !!
After 20-30 reps, their "time" should get right down there

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On Tue, 19 May 2009 18:32:58 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 19 May 2009 12:51:46 -0700, "Rudy"
wrote:

Why cant the lazy "washer loader" CHECK THE POCKETS before adding
clothes
to the machine ?

That sounds like a person who has someone else doing the laundry.

Why don't you check your pockets before you throw your stuff in the
hamper ;-)

For the same reason I don't check the oil in my car before starting my
lawnmower. IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PERSON WHO PUTS THE CLOTHES IN
THE WASHER TO CHECK THE POCKETS. PERIOD.

What's a hamper?

Steve

So you expect your wife to rummage through your dirty clothes checking
the pockets because you won't do it before you take them off.
Since that means you have to take the machine apart and fix it, I can
understand why she throws a hand full of change in there now and then,
just to **** you off

My wife and I have fought for years over this. In my single life, I have
ruined more than one good shirt and pair of slacks by washing with a ball
point pen.

We both do the laundry at my house. That is the stuff in the dirty clothes
basket, as well as clothes left lying around here and there. So, as a
courtesy, I remove things like belts, cell phones, name badges, hard IDs
(badges, bars, and metal name tags) and whatever is in the pockets. If I
really wanted to be a jerk, all I'd have to do is leave a ball point or two
in my pocket so she could go shopping.

You're not going to win this one. I think it is the responsibility of the
person who puts the wash in the washer to check for foreign objects, just as
it is the responsibility of whoever starts the lawnmower to check the oil.
I'm not going to change my mind.

If it helps you at all, my wife agrees with you. At times I hand her things
that would have been destroyed by washings or damaged other things in the
wash, and walk away, the superior being.

Works for me.

Steve ;-)

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On 5/19/2009 5:29 PM SteveB spake thus:

Sounds to me like you should go through your pockets before you put your
wash into the machine, and you wouldn't have all that stuff in there.
Washing machines were never intended to wash money.

Yeah, that's what Swiss banks are for.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

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"SteveB" wrote in
:


wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 May 2009 18:32:58 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Tue, 19 May 2009 12:51:46 -0700, "Rudy"
wrote:

Why cant the lazy "washer loader" CHECK THE POCKETS before adding
clothes
to the machine ?

That sounds like a person who has someone else doing the laundry.

Why don't you check your pockets before you throw your stuff in the
hamper ;-)

For the same reason I don't check the oil in my car before starting
my lawnmower. IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PERSON WHO PUTS THE
CLOTHES IN THE WASHER TO CHECK THE POCKETS. PERIOD.

What's a hamper?

Steve

So you expect your wife to rummage through your dirty clothes
checking the pockets because you won't do it before you take them
off. Since that means you have to take the machine apart and fix it,
I can understand why she throws a hand full of change in there now
and then, just to **** you off

My wife and I have fought for years over this. In my single life, I
have ruined more than one good shirt and pair of slacks by washing
with a ball point pen.

We both do the laundry at my house. That is the stuff in the dirty
clothes basket, as well as clothes left lying around here and there.
So, as a courtesy, I remove things like belts, cell phones, name
badges, hard IDs (badges, bars, and metal name tags) and whatever is
in the pockets. If I really wanted to be a jerk, all I'd have to do
is leave a ball point or two in my pocket so she could go shopping.

You're not going to win this one. I think it is the responsibility of
the person who puts the wash in the washer to check for foreign
objects, just as it is the responsibility of whoever starts the
lawnmower to check the oil. I'm not going to change my mind.

If it helps you at all, my wife agrees with you. At times I hand her
things that would have been destroyed by washings or damaged other
things in the wash, and walk away, the superior being.

Works for me.

Steve ;-)

I guess I have been trained otherwise. If it is in the laundry basket,
it goes into the frontloading washer. And it gets clean. And the
frontloader works very well, thank you. No I don't recall the brand, and
I am not going into the basement to see.


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

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On Tue, 19 May 2009 18:32:58 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 19 May 2009 12:51:46 -0700, "Rudy"
wrote:

Why cant the lazy "washer loader" CHECK THE POCKETS before adding clothes
to the machine ?

That sounds like a person who has someone else doing the laundry.

Why don't you check your pockets before you throw your stuff in the
hamper ;-)

For the same reason I don't check the oil in my car before starting my
lawnmower. IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PERSON WHO PUTS THE CLOTHES IN
THE WASHER TO CHECK THE POCKETS. PERIOD.


EVERY TIME!!!! Of course, this is a form of perfection, and perfection
IS'NT.

What's a hamper?


A "hamper" is a plastic device used to take advantage of the normal
mindlessness of human beings, who follow the rules and add unnecessary
complexity to the clothes-washing cycle. This leads to mistakes, and
verbal (and physical?) abuse. It also distracts peoples limited
intellect from the activities of their government, church, etc...

It was named after Orel Walker Hamp, who always believed that in order
to get things done, it is necessary to confuse the stupid masses, so
they never notice how f*ck*d-*p the world is getting.

Steve

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On May 19, 9:52*am, Jim Elbrecht wrote:

Kudos to LG-- *[look next time you walk buy in case we're crediting
the wrong company]

Yep, it was an LG.

Jerry

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In article ,
wrote:

On Tue, 19 May 2009 21:37:56 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

it is the responsibility of whoever starts the lawnmower to check the oil.
I'm not going to change my mind.

Lawn mowers have oil in them ? ;-)

I guess it is just what you do at your own house

Here the rule is, if it is in the laundry basket,, it is going for a
ride in the washer/dryer.

No exceptions? What if it's the cat?

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I won't get anything but a front loader. They are faster, use less
water, get the clothes cleaner, and spin everything drier than what a
top loader does.


--
Dymphna
Message origin: www.TRAVEL.com

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That sounds like a person who has someone else doing the laundry.
Why don't you check your pockets before you throw your stuff in the hamper
;-)

I do the laundry about half the time..I don't throw anything of mine into
the laundry basket w/o checking the pockets..I used to wash a lot of
toothpicks
SWMBO on the other hand, regularly washes cash, lip balm and various bits of
paper from her jean pockets.
If our machine was the type that "eats" these items, she'd be the one
dismantling it..

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On Wed, 20 May 2009 11:55:55 -0500, Dymphna
wrote Re another reason
*not* to buy a front loading washer:

I won't get anything but a front loader. They are faster, use less
water, get the clothes cleaner, and spin everything drier than what a
top loader does.

Good for you.

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"Dymphna" wrote in message
...

I won't get anything but a front loader. They are faster, use less
water, get the clothes cleaner, and spin everything drier than what a
top loader does.



All true, but they still seem to be problem prone. And much more expensive.
I don't expect to have any needs for a number or years, but today, I'd
probably still stick with the top loader.