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Tile choices over linoleum and/or plywood.
I want to put down a new kitchen floor in a property that I recently bought
and that I will be renting out. For now, I just want to do something that will make it look good without having to re-do the whole kitchen. I may re-do the kitchen at a later date. What is there now is a very solid piece of linoleum that is probably glued down over 1/4-inch plywood or Luan. I haven't tried peeling up the linoleum yet, and I am avoiding doing that for now in case one option will be to just tile over the existing linoleum. I'm thinking my first option would be to clean the linoleum well and just put peel-and-stick tiles over the linoleum for now. If peel-and-stick is not a good idea, my second option would be putting some other type of vinyl tiles over the linoleum using a mastic adhesive. Or, if for mastic it would be better to try taking up the linoleum and use the mastic for the new tiles over what is left underneath, that would be my third option. A fourth option would be to put a sheet of linoleum/congoleum down on top of the existing linoleum. Any thoughts or suggestions regarding any of these options would be appreciated. Thanks. P.S. I like ceramic tile, and I would do that if I it didn't involve having to take up the existing plywood or Luan underlayment. But, from everything I've read here and elsewhere, I don't think ceramic tile over anything that is there now would work even though the existing linoleum is very solid. |
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"RonABC" wrote: I want to put down a new kitchen floor in a property that I recently bought and that I will be renting out. For now, I just want to do something that will make it look good without having to re-do the whole kitchen. I may re-do the kitchen at a later date. What is there now is a very solid piece of linoleum that is probably glued down over 1/4-inch plywood or Luan. I haven't tried peeling up the linoleum yet, and I am avoiding doing that for now in case one option will be to just tile over the existing linoleum. I'm thinking my first option would be to clean the linoleum well and just put peel-and-stick tiles over the linoleum for now. If peel-and-stick is not a good idea, my second option would be putting some other type of vinyl tiles over the linoleum using a mastic adhesive. Or, if for mastic it would be better to try taking up the linoleum and use the mastic for the new tiles over what is left underneath, that would be my third option. A fourth option would be to put a sheet of linoleum/congoleum down on top of the existing linoleum. Any thoughts or suggestions regarding any of these options would be appreciated. Thanks. P.S. I like ceramic tile, and I would do that if I it didn't involve having to take up the existing plywood or Luan underlayment. But, from everything I've read here and elsewhere, I don't think ceramic tile over anything that is there now would work even though the existing linoleum is very solid. I think your most reasonable option is sheet vinyl, installed by a professional on top of what's there now. This is not a DIY job for the inexperienced. |
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On Jan 9, 10:23*am, "RonABC" wrote:
I want to put down a new kitchen floor in a property that I recently bought and that I will be renting out. For now, I just want to do something that will make it look good without having to re-do the whole kitchen. *I may re-do the kitchen at a later date. What is there now is a very solid piece of linoleum that is probably glued down over 1/4-inch plywood or Luan. *I haven't tried peeling up the linoleum yet, and I am avoiding doing that for now in case one option will be to just tile over the existing linoleum. I'm thinking my first option would be to clean the linoleum well and just put peel-and-stick tiles over the linoleum for now. *If peel-and-stick is not a good idea, my second option would be putting some other type of vinyl tiles over the linoleum using a mastic adhesive. *Or, if for mastic it would be better to try taking up the linoleum and use the mastic for the new tiles over what is left underneath, that would be my third option. *A fourth option would be to put a sheet of linoleum/congoleum down on top of the existing linoleum. Any thoughts or suggestions regarding any of these options would be appreciated. Thanks. P.S. *I like ceramic tile, and I would do that if I it didn't involve having to take up the existing plywood or Luan underlayment. *But, from everything I've read here and elsewhere, I don't think ceramic tile over anything that is there now would work even though the existing linoleum is very solid. I got a fairly decent peel and stick at HD, but it needed a primer and roller is mandatory. It has a 2 part glue that a heavy roller opens the seal so it bonds well. You have options |
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My wife and I just bought a house and were in the very same
situation. Didn't feel like taking up the luan et al. At our previous house, we had completely redone the floor, using new flooring and laying tiles on cement board. With this new place, that wasn't really an option we felt like going through. So when we were hitting up Home Depot & Lowes, we came across this stuff: http://www.schluter.com/6_1_ditra.aspx We were able to retile our upstairs bathroom in maybe four hours, not counting the time it took to rip up the old linoleum and to remove the trim. It's more expensive than cement board, and you'll use more mortar because of the way it works, but holy crap. It's lightweight, easy to cut... the ultimate test will be seeing what it's like in two years or five years. On Jan 9, 11:23*am, "RonABC" wrote: P.S. *I like ceramic tile, and I would do that if I it didn't involve having to take up the existing plywood or Luan underlayment. *But, from everything I've read here and elsewhere, I don't think ceramic tile over anything that is there now would work even though the existing linoleum is very solid. |
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Can you explain what you mean a little more?
I assume that you are referring to the regular peel-and-stick tile that HD sells, correct? By "primer", do you mean some type of primer to be painted onto the linoleum first before putting down the peel-and-stick tiles? If so, any particular type of primer? I know Zinsser makes a shellac-based primer called B-I-N that can be used on slick surfaced such as laminate cabinets Peel-and-stick tiles have 2-part glue? I didn't know that. "ransley" wrote in message ... I got a fairly decent peel and stick at HD, but it needed a primer and roller is mandatory. It has a 2 part glue that a heavy roller opens the seal so it bonds well. You have options. |
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"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news I think your most reasonable option is sheet vinyl, installed by a professional on top of what's there now. This is not a DIY job for the inexperienced. Thanks. That may be an option, and even though I think I could do the installation, I like the idea of having someone else do it who does these types of installations for a living. |
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"RonABC" wrote: "Smitty Two" wrote in message news I think your most reasonable option is sheet vinyl, installed by a professional on top of what's there now. This is not a DIY job for the inexperienced. Thanks. That may be an option, and even though I think I could do the installation, I like the idea of having someone else do it who does these types of installations for a living. Yeah, I'd stick with that approach. It might look easy, but that's one job that I personally believe requires quite a bit of finesse, and only one chance to get it right. I'd stay away from the peel 'n' stick altogether. If you decide to do tile, that'd give you a more modern upscale look and maybe command a bit more rent if the rest of the house is on par. I'd consider a DIY tile job with no experience, but I wouldn't even think about doing vinyl myself. |
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RonABC wrote:
P.S. I like ceramic tile, and I would do that if I it didn't involve having to take up the existing plywood or Luan underlayment. But, from everything I've read here and elsewhere, I don't think ceramic tile over anything that is there now would work even though the existing linoleum is very solid. Like ceramic? - then use ceramic. This system works over any sound linoleum (except cushion-backed): http://www.mapei.it/Referenze/Multim...tic_TDS_EA.pdf |
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Tile choices over linoleum and/or plywood.
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:23:57 -0500, "RonABC" wrote:
I want to put down a new kitchen floor in a property that I recently bought and that I will be renting out. For now, I just want to do something that will make it look good without having to re-do the whole kitchen. I may re-do the kitchen at a later date. What is there now is a very solid piece of linoleum that is probably glued down over 1/4-inch plywood or Luan. I haven't tried peeling up the linoleum yet, and I am avoiding doing that for now in case one option will be to just tile over the existing linoleum. I'm thinking my first option would be to clean the linoleum well and just put peel-and-stick tiles over the linoleum for now. If peel-and-stick is not a good idea, my second option would be putting some other type of vinyl tiles over the linoleum using a mastic adhesive. Or, if for mastic it would be better to try taking up the linoleum and use the mastic for the new tiles over what is left underneath, that would be my third option. A fourth option would be to put a sheet of linoleum/congoleum down on top of the existing linoleum. Any thoughts or suggestions regarding any of these options would be appreciated. Thanks. P.S. I like ceramic tile, and I would do that if I it didn't involve having to take up the existing plywood or Luan underlayment. But, from everything I've read here and elsewhere, I don't think ceramic tile over anything that is there now would work even though the existing linoleum is very solid. I worked for a flooring company years ago. Dont waste your money on peel and press (P&P) tiles. They never hold up well. You can get a similar tile without the self adhesive for less money. Then buy some mastic adhesive (made for the tile), and use that. The job actually goes faster without having to fight with all that backing paper. Start your tile in the center of the room using a chalk line. Then spread the mastic in part of the room, and lay those tiles. There are instructions for laying tile on most tile boxes or look on the web. I once put down a floor using mastic on P&P tiles and it held up well, but that was only because the tiles were already purchased. It took 3 times longer because of all that backing paper, and in the end was a waste of money to buy the P&P tile. I've done several floors using just the P&P tile and all of them ended up being a poor quality floor which needed replacement in a year or two because the tiles kept coming off. And for a rental it will be worse because when tenants have tiles come off, they dont fix them like you would do in your own home. I know all about this having been a landlord for a while (a job I'd never do again). Get a decent vinyl tile and some mastic and you will get a floor that lasts. However, if the linoleum was waxed with floor wax, you MUST remove that wax for ANY tile to adhere. They sell a wax remover, or you can run a floor sander over the surface to remove the wax and glaze. If you do sand, beware of going too deep because you could hit the backing which might be asbestos (gray). You dont want that in the air from sanding. It's harmless to remove without a sander though. If you want wax remover, I would suggest a flooring store, not a big box home repair place. I doubt they carry it. |
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"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news Thanks. That may be an option, and even though I think I could do the installation, I like the idea of having someone else do it who does these types of installations for a living. Yeah, I'd stick with that approach. It might look easy, but that's one job that I personally believe requires quite a bit of finesse, and only one chance to get it right. The good news is that I measured the kitchen again yesterday and it is 11'-6" X 15"-6". So, the installers could put down a new floor using a 12-foot roll and not have to ahve any seams in the middle. I am noticing that the big box stores such as HD and Lowes seem to have less and less in terms of different styles etc. to choose from -- both for tiles and sheet flooring. So, I'll have to see if I can find a place that has more choices and can do the installation. I heard an ad on the radio this morning about a place called Floors USA, but they only have one store in my area and it is too far away to be worth making the trip. |
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Thanks. I checked it out and the whole process seemed a little more
complicated than I want to get into at this time. I tried checking out their videos etc. "Matthew Dunphy" wrote in message ... My wife and I just bought a house and were in the very same situation. Didn't feel like taking up the luan et al. At our previous house, we had completely redone the floor, using new flooring and laying tiles on cement board. With this new place, that wasn't really an option we felt like going through. So when we were hitting up Home Depot & Lowes, we came across this stuff: http://www.schluter.com/6_1_ditra.aspx We were able to retile our upstairs bathroom in maybe four hours, not counting the time it took to rip up the old linoleum and to remove the trim. It's more expensive than cement board, and you'll use more mortar because of the way it works, but holy crap. It's lightweight, easy to cut... the ultimate test will be seeing what it's like in two years or five years. On Jan 9, 11:23 am, "RonABC" wrote: P.S. I like ceramic tile, and I would do that if I it didn't involve having to take up the existing plywood or Luan underlayment. But, from everything I've read here and elsewhere, I don't think ceramic tile over anything that is there now would work even though the existing linoleum is very solid. |
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"Bob(but not THAT Bob)" wrote in message
... Like ceramic? - then use ceramic. This system works over any sound linoleum (except cushion-backed): http://www.mapei.it/Referenze/Multim...tic_TDS_EA.pdf Interesting. I never heard of this stuff before, but it's a possibility. They refer to another place where I would have to get info on how to prep the linoleum, but I didn't hunt that down yet. I'll also have to see where the product is sold. |
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"Jimw" wrote in message
news On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:23:57 -0500, "RonABC" wrote: I worked for a flooring company years ago. Dont waste your money on peel and press (P&P) tiles. They never hold up well. You can get a similar tile without the self adhesive for less money. Then buy some mastic adhesive (made for the tile), and use that. The job actually goes faster without having to fight with all that backing paper. Start your tile in the center of the room using a chalk line. Then spread the mastic in part of the room, and lay those tiles. There are instructions for laying tile on most tile boxes or look on the web. I once put down a floor using mastic on P&P tiles and it held up well, but that was only because the tiles were already purchased. It took 3 times longer because of all that backing paper, and in the end was a waste of money to buy the P&P tile. I've done several floors using just the P&P tile and all of them ended up being a poor quality floor which needed replacement in a year or two because the tiles kept coming off. And for a rental it will be worse because when tenants have tiles come off, they dont fix them like you would do in your own home. I know all about this having been a landlord for a while (a job I'd never do again). Get a decent vinyl tile and some mastic and you will get a floor that lasts. However, if the linoleum was waxed with floor wax, you MUST remove that wax for ANY tile to adhere. They sell a wax remover, or you can run a floor sander over the surface to remove the wax and glaze. If you do sand, beware of going too deep because you could hit the backing which might be asbestos (gray). You dont want that in the air from sanding. It's harmless to remove without a sander though. If you want wax remover, I would suggest a flooring store, not a big box home repair place. I doubt they carry it. I have the same general feeling as you about P&P tiles, and I have no aversion to putting down mastic and applying plain tiles over that. I'll have to check again and see what is available these days in terms of plain tiles with patterns that are not P&P tiles. Mostly, I seem to be looking at P&P's or solid pattern vinyl tiles, but I haven't noticed regular non-P&P tiles with a pattern. So far, I have only looked at HD and Lowes. |
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On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:46:25 -0500, "RonABC" wrote:
"Smitty Two" wrote in message news Thanks. That may be an option, and even though I think I could do the installation, I like the idea of having someone else do it who does these types of installations for a living. Yeah, I'd stick with that approach. It might look easy, but that's one job that I personally believe requires quite a bit of finesse, and only one chance to get it right. The good news is that I measured the kitchen again yesterday and it is 11'-6" X 15"-6". So, the installers could put down a new floor using a 12-foot roll and not have to ahve any seams in the middle. When you get to the store [and I'd rather use a flooring store for this job than a borg] you are sure to fall in love with a vinyl that comes in a 6' roll only. Don't worry about the seam. *Properly done* you won't be able to find it. You are more likely to puncture the cushioned vinyl someplace else. I am noticing that the big box stores such as HD and Lowes seem to have less and less in terms of different styles etc. to choose from -- both for tiles and sheet flooring. So, I'll have to see if I can find a place that has more choices and can do the installation. Especially if you're going to have a pro install it, go to the local flooring store. This a good place for a mom and pop store that has still survived. They won't have as many samples on the floor-- but their prices will be competitive, and the service & workmanship will probably be miles above the chain stores. Jim |
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