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On Nov 1, 10:17*pm, Harry K wrote:
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Harry K wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:00 am, SenatorPork wrote:
Harry K wrote:
On Oct 31, 9:47 pm, z wrote:
On Oct 29, 10:31 pm, BobR wrote:
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document
Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
WorldNetDaily
HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's
birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even
several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has
placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the
state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains
access to the original document under any circumstances.
The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by
WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original
birth certificate of Barack Obama.
"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.
Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth
certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the
legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of
the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a
common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the
registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.
(Story continues below)
WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth
certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of
the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed
was designed to prevent identity theft.
Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for
withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the
source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the
original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing
to Obama.
Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation,"
autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the
amazing low price of just $4.95.
The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original
document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-
generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have
been filed subsequent to the birth.
The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would
immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama
requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has
received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting
officially on his behalf.
WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a
notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the
Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting:
"Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4.."
In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for
1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two
weeks after the date of birth listed.
The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where
the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.
In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly
alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital
in Mombasa, Kenya.
Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton
appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney
Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born"
citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the
specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.
Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth
certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.
In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents
concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential
election on November 4.
The Obama campaign website entitled ";Fight the Smears" posts a state
of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the
original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama
reportedly was born.
"Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in
the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of
America."
Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the
challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth
certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website
offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make
public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the
Hawaii Department of Health may possess.
in fact, do we have any evidence that obama was born at all? not that
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Well, I see him way too often on the TV so that proves he was either
born or someone is faking a live person very well
You can look up his BC on Obama's page or at
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html
Which would prove he was born as much as your BC does.
Harry K
yea but where?- Hide quoted text -


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In Hawaii as all but the kooks know.


Harry K


then why not release the original birth cert?- Hide quoted text -


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I believe that quesstion was adequately answere in the cites I gave.
Besides, if it were, you wold just claim it is anothe forgery. *Kooks
never give up.

Harry K- Hide quoted text -

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he's probably an alien. not the illegal kind; the space kind. klaatu
barada nikto; that's almost an anagram of barack obama.
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On Nov 3, 1:01*am, z wrote:
On Nov 1, 10:17*pm, Harry K wrote:





On Nov 1, 1:05*pm, SenatorPork wrote:


Harry K wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:00 am, SenatorPork wrote:
Harry K wrote:
On Oct 31, 9:47 pm, z wrote:
On Oct 29, 10:31 pm, BobR wrote:
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document
Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
WorldNetDaily
HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's
birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even
several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has
placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the
state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains
access to the original document under any circumstances.
The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by
WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original
birth certificate of Barack Obama.
"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.
Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth
certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the
legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of
the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a
common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the
registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.
(Story continues below)
WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth
certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of
the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed
was designed to prevent identity theft.
Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for
withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the
source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the
original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing
to Obama.
Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation,"
autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the
amazing low price of just $4.95.
The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original
document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-
generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have
been filed subsequent to the birth.
The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would
immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama
requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has
received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting
officially on his behalf.
WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a
notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the
Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting:
"Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4."
In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for
1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two
weeks after the date of birth listed.
The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where
the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.
In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly
alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital
in Mombasa, Kenya.
Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton
appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney
Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born"
citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the
specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.
Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth
certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.
In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents
concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential
election on November 4.
The Obama campaign website entitled ";Fight the Smears" posts a state
of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the
original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama
reportedly was born.
"Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in
the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of
America."
Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the
challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth
certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website
offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make
public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the
Hawaii Department of Health may possess.
in fact, do we have any evidence that obama was born at all? not that
i've seen, it's just hearsay.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Well, I see him way too often on the TV so that proves he was either
born or someone is faking a live person very well
You can look up his BC on Obama's page or at
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html
Which would prove he was born as much as your BC does.
Harry K
yea but where?- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


In Hawaii as all but the kooks know.


Harry K


then why not release the original birth cert?- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


I believe that quesstion was adequately answere in the cites I gave.
Besides, if it were, you wold just claim it is anothe forgery. *Kooks
never give up.


Harry K- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


he's probably an alien. not the illegal kind; the space kind. klaatu
barada nikto; that's almost an anagram of barack obama.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


OMG! You're right!

Harry K
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On 3 Nov 2008 14:13:18 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:

[...]

Palin has far more experience than Obama,and she's only the *VP candidate*.


[...]

Damn straight!

You want experience? Palin outstrips g Obama in the crucial areas:

Can Obama field-strip a moose?

Did he ever win a high-school beauty contest?

What's his record on the ice? Bet he does't know a
hockey puck from a ... (stop me before I...)

Did he ever get exorcised by a kinda witchdoctor in church?
(pix available on You Tube)

Will he teach his daughters how well "abstinence only"
works with your high-school boyfriend? And if they
get knocked up via rape or incest or lack of parental
involvement, pop out the kid anyway. And proudly display
the result to the adoring public..

Has he been found ON THE RECORD guilty of abusing
his office to get a family "enemy" fired from a job he
always performed correctly and efficiently?

Did he hint to the Chicago librarian that "certain books"
should not be carried -- screw the First Amendment.

Did his wife Michelle belong to a splinter political
organization that advocates Illinois withdrawing from
the Union?

Did Obama accept $150,000 worth of designer clothes
(which OF COURSE are "going to charity"* after the campaign)
and guy-type make up for the cameras?

( * hey, can't you just see the homeless ladies rushing the
thrift shops for those $2,000 and up outfits...)

Did Obama ever demand "earmarks" AKA pork
for a "bridge to nowhere" (and then take the money
anyway for discretionary use when the public revolted?

No, it's obvious from the incomplete list above that
Obama totally lacks the experience required to
qualify even for the second spot on the ticket.



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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:33:28 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:28:19 -0700,
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The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL
president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform
the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual
dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress
and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen.


Actually it all boils down to the electorate. ALL problems in
government are voted in by them. The politicians are not the problem
in this country, the electorate is. As long as selfish, short sighted
and ignorant people vote, we will always have the same problems, no
matter what party is running the show.


You are, in large part, absolutely right.

(climbs up on soapbox)

It all begins in the home. If parents, who haven't a clue what
critical thinking is, don't teach their children early on to analyze
input, the kids will grow up so gullible that they actually believe
the propaganda put out on behalf of an empty suit like corporate-serf
Bush II (to name only the most egregious of recent liar-presidents).

The kids will grow up believing the propaganda pushed at
them from TV and other pop media. Their values will, thus,
be defined by "more, more, more" rather than "better".
And their ignorance of history -- thanks to a dysfunctional public
school system -- will make them even easier to exploit by those who
have their own interests rather than the national interests at heart.

No offense to reasonable believers, but it seems appropriate also to
indict extremist belief systems (religions) that favor blind faith
over rigorous analysis. How did that work during the Dark Ages --
before the Renaissance began to free human minds? How is it
working now, in those death-worshipping, frustrated, unproductive
elements of a certain belief system that is (still) trying to take
over the world by violence

Somebody earlier mentioned "snake oil". QED.




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On 3 Nov 2008 14:13:18 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:

[...]

Palin has far more experience than Obama,and she's only the *VP
candidate*.


[...]

Damn straight!

You want experience? Palin outstrips g Obama in the crucial areas:

Can Obama field-strip a moose?

Did he ever win a high-school beauty contest?

What's his record on the ice? Bet he does't know a
hockey puck from a ... (stop me before I...)

Did he ever get exorcised by a kinda witchdoctor in church?
(pix available on You Tube)

Will he teach his daughters how well "abstinence only"
works with your high-school boyfriend? And if they
get knocked up via rape or incest or lack of parental
involvement, pop out the kid anyway. And proudly display
the result to the adoring public..

Has he been found ON THE RECORD guilty of abusing
his office to get a family "enemy" fired from a job he
always performed correctly and efficiently?

Did he hint to the Chicago librarian that "certain books"
should not be carried -- screw the First Amendment.



You shouldn't bring up First Amendment and Obama;
Obama punished reporters for asking questions he didn't like,favors the
"Fairness Doctrine" to shut up talk radio,and used Alinsky tactics to
silence critics by mass emailing supporters to shut down talk radio
commentators."Get in their face" tactics.
Give him the power of the Presidency,and he'll misuse it worse than the
Clintons did.
He's also anti-Second Amendment,despite his lying abut it.

Did his wife Michelle belong to a splinter political
organization that advocates Illinois withdrawing from
the Union?

Did Obama accept $150,000 worth of designer clothes
(which OF COURSE are "going to charity"* after the campaign)
and guy-type make up for the cameras?


Obama has a huge number of very questionable campaign contributions.
(that he will not disclose the data on.What's he got to hide??)
He also LIED about accepting public campaign financing.(one of many
lies,BTW)

( * hey, can't you just see the homeless ladies rushing the
thrift shops for those $2,000 and up outfits...)

Did Obama ever demand "earmarks" AKA pork
for a "bridge to nowhere" (and then take the money
anyway for discretionary use when the public revolted?

No, it's obvious from the incomplete list above that
Obama totally lacks the experience required to
qualify even for the second spot on the ticket.



typical Alinsky tactics. right from Rules for Radicals.

Palin HAS run a business,and currently is Governor of Alaska,with all the
REAL responsibilities and duties that entails.
Fine experience for VICE President.

Obama has not run any business,or anything else.
More than 100 times,Obama would not even take a position,voted "Present".
Indecisive.
What if he does that while President?

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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:33:28 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:28:19 -0700,
wrote:



The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL
president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform
the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual
dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress
and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen.


Actually it all boils down to the electorate. ALL problems in
government are voted in by them. The politicians are not the problem
in this country, the electorate is. As long as selfish, short sighted
and ignorant people vote, we will always have the same problems, no
matter what party is running the show.


You are, in large part, absolutely right.

(climbs up on soapbox)

It all begins in the home. If parents, who haven't a clue what
critical thinking is, don't teach their children early on to analyze
input, the kids will grow up so gullible that they actually believe
the propaganda put out on behalf of an empty suit like corporate-serf
Bush II (to name only the most egregious of recent liar-presidents).

The kids will grow up believing the propaganda pushed at
them from TV and other pop media. Their values will, thus,
be defined by "more, more, more" rather than "better".
And their ignorance of history -- thanks to a dysfunctional public
school system -- will make them even easier to exploit by those who
have their own interests rather than the national interests at heart.

No offense to reasonable believers, but it seems appropriate also to
indict extremist belief systems (religions) that favor blind faith
over rigorous analysis. How did that work during the Dark Ages --
before the Renaissance began to free human minds? How is it
working now, in those death-worshipping, frustrated, unproductive
elements of a certain belief system that is (still) trying to take
over the world by violence

Somebody earlier mentioned "snake oil". QED.



DemocRATs obviously lack that "critical thinking",as they accepted Obama,an
unknown guy from nowhere,with a hidden past,spotty record as junior
legislator,and associations with many distasteful people;
felons,communists,terrorists.
It's no wonder all of America's enemies support Obama.

and how about that "blind faith" in what Obama preaches,or that people call
him "The Messiah" or "The One"? One has to drink a lot of Kool-aid to
accept what Obama says.And to ignore all Obama's lies.
"Ayers? he's just a guy who lives in my neighborhood..."
"I support the Second Amendment" (Man,what a WHOPPER!)
"I challenge the other candidates to accept only public campaign
financing;I will if they do."
(ah shoot,McCain accepted.Well,I'll just take private contributions
anyways...)

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On Nov 3, 9:13 am, Jim Yanik wrote:
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Jim Yanik wrote:
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Jim Yanik wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote in
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Jim Yanik wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote in
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Jim Yanik wrote:
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:47:28 -0500, The Daring Dufas
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wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:42:00 -0400, wrote:


On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:32:30 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:


And if there is NOTHING at all behind it, then why doesn't
BO just say he wants any and all records related to his
birth released, in particular the original birth
certificate from the hospital? Hmmm.
I dunno - why are BOTH Palin and McCain refusing to release
their medical records?


Just how extensively has Palin been trested for Mental
problems in the past 20 years, and what medications are she
taking?


How about McCains Cancer situation. How about HIS mental
health? His anger management issues are pretty public, but
we don't know if he has had any treatment to try and
improve it. Those years as a POW left some pretty deep
mental wounds.


Those are some pretty important issues that require the
same or greater level of disclosure.
I swore I wouldn't post on this election -- couldn't hold
out g


Anybody notice that Palin is not only massively ignorant and
a major, major liar , basically a total phony, but -- most
dangerous of all -- a blindly ideological religious fanatic
. Why the media have ignored this facet of her persona is
troubling.


If by some malign fate, she became President in McCain's
incapacity, she would **** all over the U.S. Constitution,
which mandates separation of CHURCH AND STATE!


Our Constitution, which has been a light unto the world, was
devised by the greatest minds of this or any time -- the
Founders, who well understood the dangers of breaching the
wall between church and state. THEY read history; THEY knew
that theocracies were, by definition, totalitarian states.


My God, people on both sides believe that a US president
has unlimited power and are terrified. The sorry state of
the education system in my country is now quite apparent.


I don't believe the president has unlimited power, but I AM
terrified.


The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL
president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to
transform the Executive Branch into "the "unitary
Presidency"-- aka a virtual dictatorship -- should terrify us
all. The whores in Congress and the sheep in the electorate
just let it happen.


derangement syndrome....


I see you have no real response. Go ahead, vote for McCain, we
don't give a ****. (well, actually, we do, but your one vote
won't make a difference.)


nate


I see you never read the articles I posted a link to.
So much for your claiim to be a "centrist","conservative",or any
possibility you might be open-minded.


I've had a rough week at work and have not had the free time to do
more than speed read the NG's and a few forums and actually do
things that I needed to do online.


That said, you have yet to provide a shred of evidence that a)
Palin is not insultingly unqualified
She's more qualified that OBAMA.Obama's never run anything.
Obama can at least fake it and sound like a president. Palin sounds
like a suburban soccer mom, and I don't mean that as a compliment.


WHO CARES if somebody -sounds- "Presidential"? (or can "fake
it"..WTF???)


umm... other world leaders, with whom we have to interact?


Oh,like they would respect a clown like Obama...all talk and no action.
and a known LIAR.


Awful harsh words when you have no proof.

Let's say that McCain gets elected (it won't happen, but humor me.)
He dies in office. Palin finishes out his term. She's a ****ing joke
- nobody would take her seriously; her style is that of a whiny mom at
a PTA meeting, not the leader of a major world power.


It's not an acting job.It one of the most SERIOUS jobs in the world.
(and folk like you would elect an inexperienced,no-achiever to the
position because he talks a good game.)


You'd vote for an inexperienced, no-achiever who can't even appear to
fit the job.


Palin has far more experience than Obama,and she's only the *VP candidate*.


Balls. I'd like to see a candidate with more experience, granted, but
Palin's credentials suck. (so did Bush's for that matter.)

and b) that TDD isn't exactly correct
about Bush/Cheney and their unique ideas about executive power.


Hey,Obama is NOT running against Bush/Cheney.


Of course he is.


Shows how irrational you are;neither is a candidate in this election.
Obama is running against McCain.


Who is doing NOTHING to distance himself from the neocon-controlled
current administration. Despite railing against them back in Y2K.

So yes, Obama is in effect running against the failed policies of B/C.


And until the Republican party publicly breaks with
them, he SHOULD (and so should Barr and that crazy woman.)


nate


so,you're STILL operating in ignorance.
See, this is why people don't take your posts seriously. You take
something that is obviously, commonly known to be true and call
people who state the obvious "ignorant." The obvious explanation is
of course that *you* are the one that is ignorant...


nate


Nate,you professed to care deeply about the Constitution,yet don't
have the time to read information highly pertinent to protecting the
Constitution and the Judicial system of the US.You blindly accept
whatever the MSM puts out despite their well-known bias and
left-leaning,but will not check out anything else.You professed to be
"centrist" or "conservative",but everything you post is way left of
center and nothing more than DemocRAT talking points.


Either you are in denial about anything that is contrary to your
beliefs,or you're full of BS.(and ignorant.)


Neither. I just understand that Bush and Cheney are the greatest
threats to the Constitution that we've ever seen, so pretty much
everyone else is a lesser evil.


nate


Still haven't READ the articles,I see.
You are no "centrist",nor a "conservative",and you don't give a crap about
the Constitution.

You've been suckered by the Mainstream media;another "useful idiot".


The MSM has been far too kind to Bush and Cheney. DAGS for "unitary
executive."

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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:09:28 -0800, wrote:

On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:33:28 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:28:19 -0700,
wrote:



The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL
president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform
the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual
dictatorship -- should terrify us all. The whores in Congress
and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen.


Actually it all boils down to the electorate. ALL problems in
government are voted in by them. The politicians are not the problem
in this country, the electorate is. As long as selfish, short sighted
and ignorant people vote, we will always have the same problems, no
matter what party is running the show.


You are, in large part, absolutely right.


I need to qualify my earlier reply, below, with the following caveats,
based on the infamous 2000 campaign, and to a lesser, but still
invidious extent,on the 2004 campaign as well. (Whether the damage
will be so severe this election, even with swarms of lawyers on site
to help voters illegally turned away -- is in the lap of the gods.)

There are cases when even an enlightened and involved electorate,
which alas we do not have, would have been helpless.

When the party in power breaks the law repeatedly and recklessly
by outsourcing crucial election operations to a bought&sold
outfit like the Bush campaign did in 2000, voters are helpless
until the truth emerges long after the fact.

When the party in power sends young Senate interns to important
states to break into and disrupt vote counts (yes, it's on the record)
what to do?

Touch screen voting machines can be -- and were - opened and hacked
undetectably within minutes.

The Secretary of State, in charge of elections, is at the
same time the head of the Florida Republican party, and
uses her office illegally, how do voters challenge in the heat
of battle? Same happened in Ohio (Blackwell) 2004

The deliberate and unlawful disenfranchisement of enough minority
voters to have swung the state to Gore several times over.

What can a voter do when the Supreme Court -- violating its own
policy of "stare decisis" - literally "let it stand" -- meaning
deference to precedent -- intervenes on the side of one party.

For a blow-by-blow account of how the Supremes handed the 2000
election to Bush, there's no better account than Alan Dershowitz'
"Supreme Injustice: How the Supreme Court Hijacked the 2000
Election". He takes you carefully through the b.g. of each Justice,
showing how, in the 2000 election case, the reactionary Justices
did a 180 from their usual POV. It's convincing -- and terrifying.

The scary part is that the Court SPECIFIED " this is a one-time
decision, not to be applied in future.". Incredible chutzpah...that
saddled us with eight ruinous years that we may never recover from.






(climbs up on soapbox)

It all begins in the home. If parents, who haven't a clue what
critical thinking is, don't teach their children early on to analyze
input, the kids will grow up so gullible that they actually believe
the propaganda put out on behalf of an empty suit like corporate-serf
Bush II (to name only the most egregious of recent liar-presidents).

The kids will grow up believing the propaganda pushed at
them from TV and other pop media. Their values will, thus,
be defined by "more, more, more" rather than "better".
And their ignorance of history -- thanks to a dysfunctional public
school system -- will make them even easier to exploit by those who
have their own interests rather than the national interests at heart.

No offense to reasonable believers, but it seems appropriate also to
indict extremist belief systems (religions) that favor blind faith
over rigorous analysis. How did that work during the Dark Ages --
before the Renaissance began to free human minds? How is it
working now, in those death-worshipping, frustrated, unproductive
elements of a certain belief system that is (still) trying to take
over the world by violence

Somebody earlier mentioned "snake oil". QED.






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On Oct 29, 10:31*pm, BobR wrote:


Wednesday, October 29, 2008


WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document


Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi


WorldNetDaily


HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's
birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even
several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has
placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the
state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains
access to the original document under any circumstances.


The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by
WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original
birth certificate of Barack Obama.


"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.


Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth
certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the
legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of
the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a
common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the
registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.


(Story continues below)


WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth
certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of
the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed
was designed to prevent identity theft.


Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for
withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the
source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the
original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing
to Obama.


Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation,"
autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the
amazing low price of just $4.95.


The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original
document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-
generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have
been filed subsequent to the birth.


The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would
immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama
requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has
received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting
officially on his behalf.


WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a
notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the
Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting:
"Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4."


In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for
1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two
weeks after the date of birth listed.


The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where
the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.


In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly
alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital
in Mombasa, Kenya.


Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton
appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney
Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born"
citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the
specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.


Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth
certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.


In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents
concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential
election on November 4.


The Obama campaign website entitled ";Fight the Smears" posts a state
of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the
original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama
reportedly was born.


"Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in
the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of
America."


Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the
challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth
certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website
offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make
public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the
Hawaii Department of Health may possess.


in fact, do we have any evidence that obama was born at all? not that
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Well, I see him way too often on the TV so that proves he was either
born or someone is faking a live person very well

You can look up his BC on Obama's page or at

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

Which would prove he was born as much as your BC does.

Harry K- Hide quoted text -

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i think the folks who want to see obama's birth certificate should
have to prove that they are citizens, presumably by providing their
own birth certificates; otherwise they have no legal standing to
contest the question.
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Hey,Obama is NOT running against Bush/Cheney.


Of course he is.


Shows how irrational you are;neither is a candidate in this election.
Obama is running against McCain.


Who is doing NOTHING to distance himself from the neocon-controlled
current administration. *Despite railing against them back in Y2K.


Nothing?

Let's review the facts:

McCain openly criticized Bush's Iraq strategy years ago. He said we
needed more troops BEFORE Bush ever endorsed the surge strategy.
BTW, had we listened to Obama a year or two ago, we would have left in
defeat, Iraq would be in chaos, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's
would be dead in a civil war. Iraq is going so well now that guys
like you don't even bring it up anymore. And Joe Biden, the
plagarist, voted FOR the Iraq war at the beginning, then against the
surge. He was wrong twice and if we had listened to him, we would
also have left in defeat. Apparently that record is to be cherished,
while putting down Palin. Makes sense

McCain openly criticized Bush on his enemy combatant detention and
interrogation policies.

McCain openly disagrees with Bush on global warming.


Obviously, you're just another uninformed voter, who's quick to pass
judgement, but ignorant of even basic facts.





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On Nov 3, 6:19*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:09:28 -0800, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:33:28 -0500, wrote:


On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:28:19 -0700, wrote:


The example of the past 8 years, when Cheney, the REAL
president, worked behind the scenes, as well as openly, to transform
the Executive Branch into "the "unitary Presidency"-- aka a virtual
dictatorship -- *should terrify us all. *The whores in Congress
and the sheep in the electorate just let it happen. *


Actually it all boils down to the electorate. *ALL problems in
government are voted in by them. *The politicians are not the problem
in this country, the electorate is. *As long as selfish, short sighted
and ignorant people vote, we will always have the same problems, no
matter what party is running the show.


You are, in large part, absolutely right.


I need to qualify my earlier reply, below, with the following caveats,
based on the infamous 2000 campaign, and to a lesser, but still
invidious extent,on the 2004 campaign as well. *(Whether the damage
will be so severe this election, even with swarms of lawyers on site
to help voters illegally turned away -- is in the lap of the gods.)

There are cases when even an enlightened and involved electorate,
which alas we do not have, *would have been helpless.

When the party in power breaks the law repeatedly and recklessly
by outsourcing crucial election operations to a bought&sold
outfit like the Bush campaign did in 2000, voters are helpless
until the truth emerges long after the fact.

When the party in power sends young Senate interns to important
states to break into and disrupt vote counts (yes, it's on the record)
what to do?

Touch screen voting machines can be -- and were - opened and hacked
undetectably within minutes.

The Secretary of State, in charge of elections, is at the
same time the head of the Florida Republican party, and
uses her office illegally, how do voters challenge in the heat
of battle? *Same happened in Ohio (Blackwell) 2004

The deliberate and unlawful disenfranchisement of enough minority
voters to have swung the state to Gore several times over.

What *can a voter do when the Supreme Court -- violating its own
policy of "stare decisis" - literally "let it stand" -- meaning
deference to precedent -- intervenes on the side of one party.

For a blow-by-blow account of how the Supremes handed the 2000
election to Bush, there's no better account than Alan Dershowitz'
"Supreme Injustice: *How the Supreme Court Hijacked the 2000
Election". * He takes you carefully through the b.g. of each Justice,
showing how, in the 2000 election case, the reactionary Justices
did a 180 from their usual POV. *It's convincing -- and terrifying.

The scary part is that the Court SPECIFIED " this is a one-time
decision, not to be applied in future.". *Incredible chutzpah...that
saddled us with eight ruinous years that we may never recover from.





(climbs up on soapbox)


It all begins in the home. *If parents, who haven't a clue what
critical thinking is, *don't teach their children early on to analyze
input, the kids will grow up so gullible that they actually believe
the propaganda put out on behalf of an empty suit like corporate-serf
Bush II *(to name only the most egregious of recent liar-presidents).


The kids will grow up believing the propaganda pushed at
them from TV and other pop media. *Their values will, thus,
be defined by "more, more, more" rather than "better".
And their ignorance of history -- thanks to a dysfunctional public
school system -- will make them even easier to exploit by those who
have their own interests rather than the national interests at heart.


No offense to reasonable believers, but it seems appropriate also to
indict extremist belief systems (religions) that favor blind faith
over rigorous analysis. *How did that work during the Dark Ages *--
before the Renaissance began to free human minds? *How is it
working now, in those death-worshipping, frustrated, unproductive
elements of a certain belief system that is (still) trying to take
over the world by violence


Somebody earlier mentioned "snake oil". *QED.- Hide quoted text -


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Obviously one of the misfits that's still sore because Bush won in
2000. Despite the fact that after the fact, reputable news
organizations went back and counted the FL ballots and determined that
under any reasonable and fair count, Bush won.
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On Nov 1, 8:53*am, Harry K wrote:





On Oct 31, 9:47*pm, z wrote:


On Oct 29, 10:31*pm, BobR wrote:


Wednesday, October 29, 2008


WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document


Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi


WorldNetDaily


HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's
birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even
several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has
placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the
state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains
access to the original document under any circumstances.


The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by
WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original
birth certificate of Barack Obama.


"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.


Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth
certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the
legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of
the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a
common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the
registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.

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Why isn't it better to have full disclosure on this straightforward
issue now, rather than a potential Consitutional crisis 6 months from
now, or a president left demolished, untrusted, and unable to govern
because something finally comes out.


Because it isn't your job, or the media's job, to verify his birth record.
We already pay people to do that and they already have.


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On Nov 4, 7:50*am, BobR wrote:
On Nov 3, 9:46*pm, z wrote:





On Nov 1, 8:53*am, Harry K wrote:


On Oct 31, 9:47*pm, z wrote:


On Oct 29, 10:31*pm, BobR wrote:


Wednesday, October 29, 2008


WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document


Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi


WorldNetDaily


HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's
birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even
several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has
placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the
state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains
access to the original document under any circumstances.


The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by
WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original
birth certificate of Barack Obama.


"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories
of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth
certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent
services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND
request seeking the information.


Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth
certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the
legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of
the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a
common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the
registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.


(Story continues below)


WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth
certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of
the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed
was designed to prevent identity theft.


Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for
withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the
source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the
original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing
to Obama.


Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation,"
autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the
amazing low price of just $4.95.


The source also refused to answer WND's question whether the original
document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-
generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have
been filed subsequent to the birth.


The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would
immediately release Obama's original birth certificate, provided Obama
requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has
received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting
officially on his behalf.


WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a
notice published under the "Births, Marriages, Deaths" section of the
Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting:
"Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4.."


In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for
1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two
weeks after the date of birth listed.


The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where
the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.


In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly
alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital
in Mombasa, Kenya.


Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton
appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney
Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. "natural born"
citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the
specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.


Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth
certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.


In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents
concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential
election on November 4.


The Obama campaign website entitled ";Fight the Smears" posts a state
of Hawaii "Certificate of Live Birth" which is obviously not the
original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama
reportedly was born.


"Fight the Smears" declares, "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in
the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of
America."


Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the
challenges by simply producing the candidate's original birth
certificate, it has not done so. And the "Fight the Smears" website
offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make
public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the
Hawaii Department of Health may possess.


in fact, do we have any evidence that obama was born at all? not that
i've seen, it's just hearsay.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Well, I see him way too often on the TV so that proves he was either
born or someone is faking a live person very well


You can look up his BC on Obama's page or at


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html


Which would prove he was born as much as your BC does.


Harry K- Hide quoted text -


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i think the folks who want to see obama's birth certificate should
have to prove that they are citizens, presumably by providing their
own birth certificates; otherwise they have no legal standing to
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Even though I am not running for President, I wouldn't have any
reservations about providing my Birth Certificate it that is what it
took to provide a legal standing. *In fact, I wouldn't provide it but
would instruct the Hospital and State where I was born to provide it
so as to remove any and all doubts about the source. *So why is it
such an issue for a Presidential candidate?- Hide quoted text -

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Perhaps because what has already been verified and released is
sufficient to prove he is a citizen. that the kooks don't want to
believe it is not his problem. Posting the full document would
accomplish nothing anyhow as the idiots would just claim _it_ is a
forgery.

Harry K
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Wednesday, October 29, 2008


WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document


Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi


WorldNetDaily


snip
Get the book that started it all, Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation,"
autographed by the author, exclusively from WND's online store for the
amazing low price of just $4.95.


Sounds like someone is plugging a book. You getting paid per copy sold?
Obamas birth certificate has been proven a true and original document by
the
highest sources but the losing Repubs won't stop at anything to create
doubt
and fear. A bunch of LOSERS
Name those sources!


Purple lips himself?

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First, the certification of live birth is proof that Obama was born in
Hawaii. It is not necessary for him to show a birth certificate
because the certification is a legal document showing that the birth
certificate exists in the files. It is like a bank book, which proved
that you had money in the bank. The certification has now been
accepted by at least one court.

Then, IF Obama had been born in Kenya, there would be a record of his
mother arriving in Kenya in the archives of the Kenya government.

The critics of Obama, who allege that he was born in Kenya, have not
shown anything like this. All they would have to do is to go to those
files in Kenya and show that Obama’s mother had been in Kenya in 1961.
But they have nothing.

I listened to the tape, and it is not clear that Obama’s grandmother
understood the question. The translator (who is also apparently a
relative) says repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii. In any case,
it is not evidence. She could be referring to Barak Obama senior,
Obama’s father, who certainly was born in Kenya.

The officials in Hawaii say he was born in Hawaii. They have seen his
birth certificate in his file. They are thus confirming the
certification. And, they have no reason to lie.

The certificate (or certification, whatever) of live birth has been
accepted as legal proof of Obama’s birth in Hawaii by a court in
Virginia. (Monday. See: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123806/posts)

After Berg, several other cases against Obama on the natural born
citizen issue were brought in other states.
While most of them just did what the Berg case did, which was to rule
that Berg had no standing to sue, some of the others looked at the
“evidence” - and concluded that the stuff was absurd.

In Ohio, for example the judge (magistrate) said:

“(Neal) presented no witnesses but himself. From that testimony, it is
abundantly clear that the allegations in [Neal]’s complaint concerning
“questions” about Senator Obama’s status as a “natural born citizen”
are derived from Internet sources, the accuracy of which has not been
demonstrated to either Defendant Brunner or this Magistrate … Given
the paucity of evidence… this Magistrate cannot conclude that
Defendant Brunner has abused her discretion in failing to launch an
investigation into Senator Obama’s qualifications to hold the office
of President of the United States. ” See:
http://www.oxfordpress.com/hp/conten...obamasuit.html

In Virginia, which was just ruled on Monday, the judge went further
and said that the certificate of live birth was good proof that Obama
was born in Hawaii, and there was NO proof presented that he was born
anywhere else.

Here is a report from a web posting that is not official, of course,
but it seems accurate mainly because the fellow who posted it was
AGAINST Obama. He is disappointed, but accepts the ruling. You can
find this post at : (
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123806/posts)

(Note that sometimes the author correctly puts COLB correctly and
sometimes he types it as CLOB, but he means certificate of live birth
throughout.)

Quotes:

The Court made the following findings:

1. The Certification of Live Birth presented to the court is
unquestionably authentic.

The court noted that the certification had a raised seal from the
state of Hawaii, had a stamp bearing the signature of the registrar of
vital statistics. The court found “wholly unpersuasive” any of the
internet claims that the birth certificate was altered in any way.
Furthermore, the document itself was accompanied by an affidavit from
the State Health Director (of Hawaii) verifying that the document is
an authentic certification of live birth. The court held that there
could be no doubt that the document was authentic unless one believed
that the state of Hawaii’s health department were in on an elaborate
and complex conspiracy – and that there is not a shred of evidence
that this is the case.

2. The Certification of Live Birth establishes that Mr. Obama is a
natural born citizen.

The affidavit of the State Health Director states that the information
on the CLOB is identical to the information on the “vault” copy of the
birth certificate, and that both documents establish that Mr. Obama
was born in Honolulu. The Court noted that the CLOB is valid for all
citizenship purposes. The court noted our argument that the COLB is
not valid for determining citizenship, but referred us to Hawaiian law
that states otherwise. “There is no difference between a certificate
and a certification of live birth in the eyes of the state. For
instance, either can be used to confirm U.S. citizenship to obtain a
passport or state ID.” The court found that Hawaiian law makes the
COLB valid for all purposes with the exception of determining native
Hawaiian heritage for certain state and federal benefits. The court
held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the birth registered in
Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB would reflect that fact.
The court stated that there could be no doubt that Mr. Obama was born
in Hawaii and that any argument to the contrary was fanciful and
relied on completely unsubstantiated internet rumors.

3. For that reason, 8 U.S.C. §1401(g), which at the relevant time
provided as follows:

“The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at
birth: ***(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the
United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is
an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to
the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States
or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less
than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of
fourteen years:…..
is irrelevant to this matter, as Mr. Obama was conclusively born in
Hawaii.

4. Mr. Obama did hold dual citizenship in the U.S. and Kenya until he
became an adult. When Barack Obama Jr. was born Kenya was a British
colony. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject
whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act
of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children:
“British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the
provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of
this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by
descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies
at the time of the birth.” In other words, at the time of his birth,
Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in
Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom by virtue of being born to
a father who was a citizen of the UK. Obama’s UK citizenship became an
Kenyan citizenship on Dec. 12, 1963, when Kenya formally gained its
independence from the United Kingdom. The court noted that Chapter VI,
Section 87 of the Kenyan Constitution specifies that:

1. Every person who, having been born in Kenya, is on 11th December,
1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British
protected person shall become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December,
1963…

2. Every person who, having been born outside Kenya, is on 11th
December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a
British protected person shall, if his father becomes, or would but
for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection
(1), become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December, 1963.
Thus the court held that as a citizen of the UK who was born in Kenya,
Obama’s father automatically received Kenyan citizenship via
subsection (1). So given that Obama qualified for citizen of the UK
status at birth and given that Obama’s father became a Kenyan citizen
via subsection (1), thus Obama did in fact have Kenyan citizenship in
1963.

However, the court further held that the Kenyan Constitution prohibits
dual citizenship for adults. Kenya recognizes dual citizenship for
children, but Kenya’s Constitution specifies that at age 21, Kenyan
citizens who possesses citizenship in more than one country
automatically lose their Kenyan citizenship unless they formally
renounce any non-Kenyan citizenship and swear an oath of allegiance to
Kenya. The court held that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama has
ever renounced his U.S. citizenship or sworn an oath of allegiance to
Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4, 1982.

The court held that there was no legal requirement that Mr. Obama
renounce his Kenyan citizenship or affirm his U.S. citizenship in
order to maintain his status as a natural born citizen.

5. Mr. Obama did not lose his U.S. Citizenship based on the acts of
his parents, including adoption by an Indonesian citizen. The Court
held that no action taken by the parents of an American child can
strip that child of his citizenship. The court cited to the 1952
Immigration & Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3, Sections 349 and
355, which was in effect in the late 1960s when Obama went to
Indonesia, and which stated that a minor does not lose his US
citizenship upon the naturalization of his parents or any other
actions of his parents, so long as the minor returns to the US and
establishes permanent US residency before the age of 21. Thus the
adoption of Obama did not serve to strip him of his U.S. citizenship.
The fact that Indonesian law does not allow dual citizenship is
irrelevant, as U.S. law controls. Furthermore, the Court held that
traveling on a foreign passport does not strip an American of his
citizenship. The Court noted first that there was no evidence that Mr.
Obama traveled on an Indonesian passport (Mr. Berg and others we
reached out to for evidence never provided any evidence of this claim
or any other of the claims we could have used some proof of.)
Nonetheless, the court held that such travel does not divest an
American of his citizenship.

The Court makes other holdings and findings that I won’t bother you
with here. Needless to say, the decision is wholly against us. The
court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly
unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of
the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue”
and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort,
fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to
believe egging each other on.”

I like the part about “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort.”

Repeat: “The court held that if Mr. Obama were born elsewhere and the
birth registered in Hawaii, the “place of birth” line on the COLB
would reflect that fact. The court stated that there could be no doubt
that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii and that any argument to the
contrary was fanciful and relied on completely unsubstantiated
internet rumors.”


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