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Default Scarifier vs Verticutter vs Dethatcher (was: Less lawn, more ants)

Bob wrote:

look up verticutter


Seems to me that in the UK, scarifiers are a common product to be found
for sale at the average lawn/garden store (ie the eqivalent to Home
Depot or Lowes) but in Canada (probably US too) all you will see
(seasonally) for sale are lawn mowers and snow blowers.

Does anyone know for sure is a scarifier is the same as a verticutter
(verticle cutter), and is either of them also known as a de-thatcher?

Examples:

AL-KO 3800VB Powerline Petrol Lawn Scarifier:
http://www.mower-magic.co.uk/acatalo...l_Aerator.html

Honda GX160 Petrol Verticutter:
http://www.camon.co.uk/Verticutter.htm

Dethatcher (pictures):
http://www.landscape-america.com/pro.../dethatch.html
http://www.veseys.com/ca/en/store/ma...lawndethatcher

Then we have other types of equipment:

Billy Goat CR550H 5hp Honda Compact Power Rake
http://www.cairnsmowercity.com/prod559.htm

Billy Goat AE551 5.5hp Core Lawn Aerator
http://www.cairnsmowercity.com/prod551.htm

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Earlier this spring I was looking for an all-in-one machine that would
be used primarily in the spring, and it would do the following or have
the following capabilities:

- gas powered, 5 to 10 hp
- push or walk behind (not ride on)
- important feature is that it's a high suction vaccum cleaner
with large canister recepticle
- vacuum deck contains brushes, knives, blades, wires, or some
other spinning, whirling mechanism that can beat the ground
and dislodge loose debris for the vacuum to pick up (like a
beater bar on a vacuum cleaner). Minimal harm to grass.

Uses:

- pick up gravel, sand, pea-sized stones or small broken bits of
asphalt on driveways, small parking lots, or the roadway in front
of your house in the spring that was left behind by winter road
dammage and sand/gravel put down by road maintanence vehicles
during the winter.

- clean the lawn in the spring of all the various loose organic
debris, leaf and twig fragments (etc) that even a lawn mower with
a bag and with the deck set low to the ground will not pick up.

- grind up (to an extent beyond what a lawn mower would do) and pick
up leaves in the fall.

Cost: Between $500 and $750 USD.

Is there such a machine?
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Eggs Zachtly wrote:

If you're constantly beating the ground with "brushes, knives,
blades, wires, or some other spinning, whirling mechanism",
how the hell do you expect to do "minimal harm to grass"?


Well, since there are things called "scarifiers" and "verticutters" and
aerators that apparently do beat or cut or slice into the ground, with
the goal of working the top layer without chewing up the grass too
badly, then I'd say that it shouldn't be too hard to dislodge and remove
loose **** on the ground and between the grass blades without chewing up
the grass too much.

Doesn't your street department clean your street?


Yea - halfway through the summer.

And they don't clean my 5000 sq.ft. commercial office parking lot.

Do you really expect a machine that you've used all year to grind
gravel, sand, stones, broken asphalt, etc, to still have the
capabilities to mulch leaves


Sure, with an appropriate quick-change of internal components.

AND:
Cost: Between $500 and $750 USD.


Anything's possible if it's made in China.

LMAO. You're a ****ing idiot.


You're a ****ing ass wipe.
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On Oct 19, 1:21*pm, Lawn Guy wrote:
Eggs Zachtly wrote:
If you're constantly beating the ground with "brushes, knives,
blades, wires, or some other spinning, whirling mechanism",
how the hell do you expect to do "minimal harm to grass"?


Well, since there are things called "scarifiers" and "verticutters" and
aerators that apparently do beat or cut or slice into the ground, with
the goal of working the top layer without chewing up the grass too
badly, then I'd say that it shouldn't be too hard to dislodge and remove
loose **** on the ground and between the grass blades without chewing up
the grass too much.

Doesn't your street department clean your street?


Yea - halfway through the summer. *

And they don't clean my 5000 sq.ft. commercial office parking lot.

Do you really expect a machine that you've used all year to grind
gravel, sand, stones, broken asphalt, etc, to still have the
capabilities to mulch leaves


Sure, with an appropriate quick-change of internal components.

AND:
Cost: *Between $500 and $750 USD.


Anything's possible if it's made in China.

LMAO. You're a ****ing idiot.


You're a ****ing ass wipe.


Youb have totally different pieces of equipment all confused as one
item under different names.

A scarifier is used to score or scarify hard pan soils and break it
up. Dooes not really work all that well for aeration as it destroys
too much surface area and pulls up roots etc.
An aerator is simply a device thatpoles elongated holes slots or a
round rod or tapered blade into the soil to allow water and air
infusion. It does not remove dead grasses nor does it break up the
soil it merely pierces the ground foro water and air infusion.
A dethatcher is just that, usually a stiff spring that scrubs along
the ground betweenthe tufts of grass that pulls up and deposits dead
and cut and built up grass and other debri onthe surface where its
raked and gathered up and hauled off to compost pile or trash. I may
scratch the soil surface a small amount but not enough to do any
damage to roots or disturb the soil as it is mainly intended and
designed to loosen up and bring tot he top the packed in grass
clippings etc.
Never heard of a verticutter.

FOr an already established lawn or redoing an establisehd lawmn all
you need is an aerator and dethatcher. ONly need a scarifier i fyour
breaking up hard pan to plant whatever initially, similar to a disk
harow but it does not go as deep and its usually much smaller in width
covered as well. Although the scarifiers on the backs of bulldozers
and largher ag type tractors usualy consist of one or two huge long
teeth that is drug into the soil to break up the hard pan to deeper
depths than most harrows will go. It takes decent hoprsepower to pull
a scarifier, where a dethatcher or aerator takes minimal power
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"Lawn Guy" wrote in message ...
Bob wrote:

look up verticutter


Seems to me that in the UK, scarifiers are a common product to be found
for sale at the average lawn/garden store (ie the eqivalent to Home
Depot or Lowes) but in Canada (probably US too) all you will see
(seasonally) for sale are lawn mowers and snow blowers.

Does anyone know for sure is a scarifier is the same as a verticutter
(verticle cutter), and is either of them also known as a de-thatcher?

Examples:

AL-KO 3800VB Powerline Petrol Lawn Scarifier:
http://www.mower-magic.co.uk/acatalo...l_Aerator.html

Honda GX160 Petrol Verticutter:
http://www.camon.co.uk/Verticutter.htm

Dethatcher (pictures):
http://www.landscape-america.com/pro.../dethatch.html
http://www.veseys.com/ca/en/store/ma...lawndethatcher

Then we have other types of equipment:

Billy Goat CR550H 5hp Honda Compact Power Rake
http://www.cairnsmowercity.com/prod559.htm

Billy Goat AE551 5.5hp Core Lawn Aerator
http://www.cairnsmowercity.com/prod551.htm

-----------------

Earlier this spring I was looking for an all-in-one machine that would
be used primarily in the spring, and it would do the following or have
the following capabilities:

- gas powered, 5 to 10 hp
- push or walk behind (not ride on)
- important feature is that it's a high suction vaccum cleaner
with large canister recepticle
- vacuum deck contains brushes, knives, blades, wires, or some
other spinning, whirling mechanism that can beat the ground
and dislodge loose debris for the vacuum to pick up (like a
beater bar on a vacuum cleaner). Minimal harm to grass.

Uses:

- pick up gravel, sand, pea-sized stones or small broken bits of
asphalt on driveways, small parking lots, or the roadway in front
of your house in the spring that was left behind by winter road
dammage and sand/gravel put down by road maintanence vehicles
during the winter.

- clean the lawn in the spring of all the various loose organic
debris, leaf and twig fragments (etc) that even a lawn mower with
a bag and with the deck set low to the ground will not pick up.

- grind up (to an extent beyond what a lawn mower would do) and pick
up leaves in the fall.

Cost: Between $500 and $750 USD.

Is there such a machine?


A Verticutter is another name for Vertimower which is used for dethatching
lawns , It is hard work and very messy .
(VERTIMOWING or DE-THATCHING is the physical cutting and removal of the
thatch, The vertimower has around 25 tungsten tipped blades) Virticutter is
not the universal name , Virtimower is and is used to Virticut .

If you want to Aerate Lawn you need an Aerator or as some people call a
Coring machine (A lawn aerator is a garden tool designed to aerate the soil
in which lawn grasses grow. Aeration improves soil drainage) the average
machines uses about a 5.5HP engine.


A scarifier can be a hand help tool normally with 3 bent prongs that are
dragged threw hard soil to break it up , a Plow , Rotary Hoe, cultivator or
Tiller all perform to the same job on different scales.

The 3 above machines are all entirely different and individual machines , No
one machine can perform all the 3 tasks.

The money you expect to pay would make a small down payment on a Vertimower.
A friend who does this for a living just paid $5300 for his Vertimower.


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Full-Quoter Slick wrote:

A Verticutter is ...

If you want to Aerate Lawn ...


Which I don't.

A scarifier can be a ...


The 3 above machines are all entirely different and
individual machines , No one machine can perform all
the 3 tasks.


I'm not looking for a machine that Aerates.

I'm looking for an out-door, gasoline-powered vacuum cleaner that can
vacuum sand, gravel and small stones from paves surfaces, and then
(perhaps by changing a part or two) will dislodge and vaccum up anything
not nailed down on my lawn (leaving only grass) and then (perhaps by
changing a part or two) will vacuum up, pulverize and turn to dust
leaves in the fall.


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Lawn Guy wrote:

I'm looking for an out-door, gasoline-powered vacuum cleaner that can
vacuum sand, gravel and small stones from paves surfaces, and then
(perhaps by changing a part or two) will dislodge and vaccum up anything
not nailed down on my lawn (leaving only grass) and then (perhaps by
changing a part or two) will vacuum up, pulverize and turn to dust
leaves in the fall.


Here's one:

http://www.vacuumtruck.net/graphics/al02lg.jpg

another:

http://www.rockanddirt.com/perl/sear...hod%3Dsear ch
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